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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2009/11/02/milner-a-major-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-261354</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, calling logic &#039;ridiculous&#039; is not polite. Calling someone &#039;childish&#039; kinda takes away from the &#039;high-road&#039; approach too.

As above, I showed that even using your statistical method my point remains, so we can use whatever statistical model you want, my original point stands.

I think the point you&#039;re missing is that we&#039;re talking across purpose - and the reason you&#039;ve been patronised is because you&#039;re arguing against facts.

The fact is that STATISTICALLY Milner was a good captain choice (your or my statistics).

Another fact is that you don&#039;t look at statistics when deciding on a captain.

You just need to realise that just because you don&#039;t use statistics doesn&#039;t mean that statements about statistics aren&#039;t true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, calling logic &#8216;ridiculous&#8217; is not polite. Calling someone &#8216;childish&#8217; kinda takes away from the &#8216;high-road&#8217; approach too.</p>
<p>As above, I showed that even using your statistical method my point remains, so we can use whatever statistical model you want, my original point stands.</p>
<p>I think the point you&#8217;re missing is that we&#8217;re talking across purpose &#8211; and the reason you&#8217;ve been patronised is because you&#8217;re arguing against facts.</p>
<p>The fact is that STATISTICALLY Milner was a good captain choice (your or my statistics).</p>
<p>Another fact is that you don&#8217;t look at statistics when deciding on a captain.</p>
<p>You just need to realise that just because you don&#8217;t use statistics doesn&#8217;t mean that statements about statistics aren&#8217;t true.</p>
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		<title>By: Marknlard</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2009/11/02/milner-a-major-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-261350</link>
		<dc:creator>Marknlard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a lot in that post that&#039;s pretty childish, Frank, so I&#039;m going to leave the discussion now.

I had been interested to know why your season average method was the best we have, while my refining of home/away was a manipulation, but I can see you&#039;re not going to be able to do it without being patronising and rude.

I&#039;ve disagreed with you, but at least I&#039;ve been polite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot in that post that&#8217;s pretty childish, Frank, so I&#8217;m going to leave the discussion now.</p>
<p>I had been interested to know why your season average method was the best we have, while my refining of home/away was a manipulation, but I can see you&#8217;re not going to be able to do it without being patronising and rude.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve disagreed with you, but at least I&#8217;ve been polite.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So option 1 then :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So option 1 then <img src='http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2009/11/02/milner-a-major-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-261325</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to humour your idiocy.

Despite the fact that you criticised the frame of reference being too small when it was the season, you have halved it, and then manipulated stats where a player gets taken off at half time, to make a point.. but lets journey back, what point have you made? That statistically Fabregas was a good choice? Not only  does that contradict your own point that it shouldn&#039;t be based on stats, it is also something I&#039;ve already stated. If you care to journey back you will see that I already listed Fab at the top (but still worse than Dunne).

So, lets compare the other captain choices shall we? I&#039;ll even humour your ridiculous logic? ;-)

Drogba (away) - Average is 6.8 points

(6.8 is less than 8, did you know?)

RVP (Home) - Average is 7

(7 is less than 8, did you know?)

Well, what do you know, even applying your own manipulated (and stupid) logic, my point remains exactly what it always was..

To statistically argue that Milner was a bad choice as captain, you also have to say that Drogba and RVP were bad choices, since they were statistically likely to score fewer points.

So you&#039;re stuck inbetween a rock and a hard place. You either:

- go back to saying that stats should be ignored, making all your hard work calculating the averages a nonsense, thereby realising that a subjective opinion is all you have.
- admit that Milner was as good an option statistically as Drogba or RVP (my point all along).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to humour your idiocy.</p>
<p>Despite the fact that you criticised the frame of reference being too small when it was the season, you have halved it, and then manipulated stats where a player gets taken off at half time, to make a point.. but lets journey back, what point have you made? That statistically Fabregas was a good choice? Not only  does that contradict your own point that it shouldn&#8217;t be based on stats, it is also something I&#8217;ve already stated. If you care to journey back you will see that I already listed Fab at the top (but still worse than Dunne).</p>
<p>So, lets compare the other captain choices shall we? I&#8217;ll even humour your ridiculous logic? <img src='http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Drogba (away) &#8211; Average is 6.8 points</p>
<p>(6.8 is less than 8, did you know?)</p>
<p>RVP (Home) &#8211; Average is 7</p>
<p>(7 is less than 8, did you know?)</p>
<p>Well, what do you know, even applying your own manipulated (and stupid) logic, my point remains exactly what it always was..</p>
<p>To statistically argue that Milner was a bad choice as captain, you also have to say that Drogba and RVP were bad choices, since they were statistically likely to score fewer points.</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re stuck inbetween a rock and a hard place. You either:</p>
<p>- go back to saying that stats should be ignored, making all your hard work calculating the averages a nonsense, thereby realising that a subjective opinion is all you have.<br />
- admit that Milner was as good an option statistically as Drogba or RVP (my point all along).</p>
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		<title>By: Marknlard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marknlard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point all along is that I&#039;m not talking about a statistically good captain, or making a statistically good argument.

Just a good captain, because stats don&#039;t tell you everything, and you can easily find contradictory ones. As I had Young rather than Milner this week, it does remain to be seen whether I made the right choice by captaining Fab, but on the pitch I can&#039;t really see Young scoring. In which case, I&#039;ll be happy I plumped for Fab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point all along is that I&#8217;m not talking about a statistically good captain, or making a statistically good argument.</p>
<p>Just a good captain, because stats don&#8217;t tell you everything, and you can easily find contradictory ones. As I had Young rather than Milner this week, it does remain to be seen whether I made the right choice by captaining Fab, but on the pitch I can&#8217;t really see Young scoring. In which case, I&#8217;ll be happy I plumped for Fab.</p>
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		<title>By: Yidfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yidfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOUR OPPONENET MAY HAVE MADE TWO OR THREE TRANSFERS LOSING HIM POINTS, YOU NEVER KNOW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOUR OPPONENET MAY HAVE MADE TWO OR THREE TRANSFERS LOSING HIM POINTS, YOU NEVER KNOW</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2009/11/02/milner-a-major-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-261315</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re trying to prove that I&#039;m manipulating stats by doing that yourself?

The fact that you have to criticise your own actions to get any kind of a statistical argument proves my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re trying to prove that I&#8217;m manipulating stats by doing that yourself?</p>
<p>The fact that you have to criticise your own actions to get any kind of a statistical argument proves my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Marknlard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marknlard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He came off at halftime in Portsmouth, so it seemed fair to call that half a game.

39 divided by 3.5. 

See where I&#039;m coming from about picking stats to support a case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He came off at halftime in Portsmouth, so it seemed fair to call that half a game.</p>
<p>39 divided by 3.5. </p>
<p>See where I&#8217;m coming from about picking stats to support a case?</p>
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		<title>By: Marknlard</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2009/11/02/milner-a-major-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-261308</link>
		<dc:creator>Marknlard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fab was at home this weekend, Milner&#039;s two were away. 

Teams tend to set themselves up differently according to being home or away, I haven&#039;t picked random games. 

And Fabregas did indeed score 11 this weekend, so looks like my average interpretation is pretty reliable! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fab was at home this weekend, Milner&#8217;s two were away. </p>
<p>Teams tend to set themselves up differently according to being home or away, I haven&#8217;t picked random games. </p>
<p>And Fabregas did indeed score 11 this weekend, so looks like my average interpretation is pretty reliable! <img src='http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and by the way, his average home score was 9.75.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and by the way, his average home score was 9.75.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, you can&#039;t just random games in isolation, that&#039;s what makes the AVERAGE the most accurate representation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, you can&#8217;t just random games in isolation, that&#8217;s what makes the AVERAGE the most accurate representation.</p>
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		<title>By: Marknlard</title>
		<link>http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2009/11/02/milner-a-major-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-261297</link>
		<dc:creator>Marknlard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fab had a mean of 11 points from his home games this season before this weekend. 

Milner has a mean of 4 from his away games. So double that, and he was lower than Fab. 

You can pick whatever stats you want to make players statisically good or bad choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fab had a mean of 11 points from his home games this season before this weekend. </p>
<p>Milner has a mean of 4 from his away games. So double that, and he was lower than Fab. </p>
<p>You can pick whatever stats you want to make players statisically good or bad choices.</p>
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