The Knee Jerk

The Knee Jerk – Robin Red Faced

“He is an exceptional player and when you feed him in the box, he’s deadly.”

You see, we kind of knew all that. We realised that, against Blackburn, particularly a Blackburn reduced to ten men after half an hour, Van Persie had the tools to destroy them and deliver massive returns. The problem Mr Wenger, is that on Friday afternoon you uttered this…

“I will rotate a little bit because many players have given a lot…[With Van Persie] the temptation is there.”

That was news to us Fantasy managers. That put the frighteners on and, despite our attempt this morning to deconstruct that statement and put up arguments against the idea of resting Van Persie, some took action. Indeed, two of the top four ranked Fantasy Premier League managers opted to give the armband to Sergio Aguero – perhaps oblivious to Wenger’s threats, but more likely as a result of them.

The very idea of us, a site dedicated to passing information to Fantasy Football managers, ignoring the quotes from Wenger was never a viable option. We turned a blind eye to Friday’s Sun report, but when Wenger speaks, we had to report it. So, to counter that, in this morning’s Preamble, we stressed the need to keep faith with Van Persie and hope that Wenger resisted the gamble. Hopefully, that helped some in their decision to sit tight.

Is there a lesson to be learned? Certainly the fact that Van Persie remained on the pitch to provide an assist to Thierry Henry with the score at 6-1, indicates that the idea of resting Van Persie didn’t cross Wenger’s mind once the goals started flowing. Had Van Persie been tiring, had he been desperate for a break – why was he left on the pitch when the match was dead and buried?

Only Wenger has the answers, and it seems we’ll never quite work out his thinking when it comes to Van Persie. With the Champions League programme looming, we can surely expect more uncertainly, perhaps some smokescreens.

However, today surely confirmed that we can ill afford to take risks with Van Persie and the armband. There is no better Fantasy damage dealer and if there’s a chance that he will be on the pitch, particularly against abject opposition, we have to back him. That policy may cost us – there may well be occasions when Van Persie will be left fidgeting on the bench whilst sporting our armbands. The question is, will those who suffer that fate feel any worse that those who missed out on today’s incredible haul? Right now, in this Knee Jerk, it seems unlikely.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

3,340 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Someone earlier criticised McClean's performance today, did they watch that game? It was a terrible spectacle. The snow basically killed the game and to be honest no-one did anything of note the entire game. McClean was man of the match by virtue of simply doing the only decent thing all game! It's not very easy to play in conditions like that and for a guy who played his 9/10th match of his senior career today, he did brilliantly! So I really don't understand the criticism here.

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    1. Alonso The Great Midfielder
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      they judged him by the price i thought

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  2. Locarno
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Didn't captain RVP, started Huth, benched Mignolet and McClean.

    Anyone with Bent, Raylor, Valencia or Krul should be feeling nervous.

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    1. sy
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      I read the tweet about rvp at work and was going to change this morning...luckily I didn't get time to do it.

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    2. chinmusic
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Come on now. You've got MacClean in for Royston and you're in the top 1K.

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      1. Locarno
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        Not complaining, just saying my decisions have been a bit crap this week. Starting Drenthe is simply another example.

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    3. सनकी
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      you went for a total differential ey ?

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    4. Into The Void
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Anyone with Krul should be. Villa are playing really well bar that 15 minutes at the emirates, Absolutley battered QPR in midweek

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  3. Screaming Midget
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    My helpful bit of advice for the GW 🙂

    If you're weekly score gets inside the top 500k, you stand a reasonable chance of getting a green arrow. OK, it doesn't always work, if you're as brilliant as me, but most of the time, you will.

    If you rank inside the top 100k then you've had a very good GW score - but consistency is key. Making the top 500k EVERY week is better than having the odd lucky round.

    If you rank inside the top 50k then fair play. Assuming this isn't a freak result and you're at least inside the top 100k overall, then have a few beers on me!

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    1. Screaming Midget
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Actuallly.. it's not advice... its a guide, lol.

      Have a good weekend all!

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        well the last bit applies to me 😀

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    2. Locarno
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      I feel so much better now you've taught us all how things work.

      🙄

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    3. Screaming Midget
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      Read again Locarno.... where did I ever mention teaching?

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    4. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
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      Ah right. I wasn't sure how to play this game but now I know!

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      1. Locarno
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        🙂

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  4. Locarno
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Prediction: Swansea's Siggy will be this week's most transferred-in player.

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    1. Drip Doctor
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Oxlade. Im looking at Taarabt or Siggy as a replacement for Sessegnon. Sess isn't making it easy to get rid of him though.

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      1. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
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        Why sell Sess? 😕

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        1. The Pink Panzer strikes aga…
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          Sunderland's hardening fixtures may take off the shine for some

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        2. Drip Doctor
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          12 years, 2 months ago

          To fund Morison -> Ba.

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    2. Shipstontrev
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      What about McClean?

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      1. Locarno
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        Just think Swansea's home fixture and Siggy's price will be too tempting.

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        1. Shipstontrev
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          Fair point, just hope he can feed Dyer some points.

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        2. Demí
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          12 years, 2 months ago

          You got Siggy then? What you doing with Huth?

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          1. Locarno
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            12 years, 2 months ago

            Keeping. Replaced Drenthe with Siggy. Huth can ride my bench.

            Wasn#t a bloody red anyway.

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    3. Screaming Midget
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Thanks... I feel so much better now you've told us this.

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    4. Scroobius Mac
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      The Ox is currently leading by a country mile.

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  5. Drip Doctor
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    52 from 2 earlier in the day and i finished on 70 from 8! Defenders are really pissing me off lately. Especially when your rivals get points from players like R.Taylor and Russell Martin.... yes Russell Martin.

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    1. Sputnikboy
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      A mate of mine bought in a norwich defender, I asked why mate why, he said because their cheap.....cue clean sheet. Its been his luck this year.

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      1. Drip Doctor
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        I know the feeling. It's annoying when casual players get consistent score while we analyze stats and fail.

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    2. Locarno
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      One of my mini-league opponents finished today with 4 points.

      He's struggling a bit.

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      1. Drip Doctor
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        At least he'll get a Norwich clean sheet off his bench. Unbelievable luck 😉

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      2. mlmc123
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        what's your issue with russell martin he's been excellent for us in the last few years, top bloke too as lambo would say "he's done great for us"

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        1. Drip Doctor
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          12 years, 2 months ago

          No issue with him, it's just that before today, you'd kept one clean sheet all season. He gets Martin who not only keeps a cleansheet, but gets an assist aswell.

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    3. matiakez
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Similar day for me RVP left me expecting so much and in the en ended up with bloody 68 from 8 players!!!

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      1. Drip Doctor
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        I see you got Taiwo in aswell, im already regretting that one!

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        1. Granville
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          No idea what this Taiwo bandwagon was all about. QPR are as bad as Norwich for cleanies.

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          1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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            12 years, 2 months ago

            first FFS bandwagon I've been on that I regret, but for him and Cisse I'd have done even better this week. Should have got Kelly and Ba instead

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            1. Granville
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              I thought Cisse was a good buy, I was thinking about him too. Just unlucky.

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              1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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                12 years, 2 months ago

                yes, but now I have to decide whether I keep him and bench him for 3 games, or just cut my losses.

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            2. Sparky
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              12 years, 2 months ago

              Ha ha, just stick around a bit longer there'll be more!

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              1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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                12 years, 2 months ago

                have avoided most of them. Had Moses before I joined here, but avoided Drenthe, Bendy, Huth, Torres and Sess (although at least Sess has coem good)

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          2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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            In fairness, had Cisse not been sent off today would have been a different story, QPR's new defence isn't too bad now. But yes maybe the fuss about Taiwo is premature and naive.

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          3. Drip Doctor
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            12 years, 2 months ago

            5 points in 2 games Granville. Don't hate!

            How annoying was it that Morison was benched!? Cheers Lambert you mug.

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  6. blind faith
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    points from:

    krul, santon, and bale?
    and
    simpson, enrique, mata, bale, and adebayor?

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    1. Into The Void
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      2

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      1. blind faith
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        helpful... thanks

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  7. iCon
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Any chance Siggy will get pens of Sincy?

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      would doubt it, Sincs has done nothing to warrant being taken off them

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      1. Acquafresca
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        +1

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    2. Into The Void
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      No

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    3. Declan-
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      not if he keeps scoring

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    4. chel5eachris
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      I am seriously considering selling RVP - if only there was a single striker in the country in form :-S

      I'm not mad - look at fixtures plus rotation risk with CL - just need one of Rooney, Suarez or Drogba to hit form.

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        or Torres

        Ok I'll get me coat

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      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        Yes you are. You have alighted at http://www.dnfa.com/webpic/max/431058-13.jpg, not far from Barking.

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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          link fail Doos 😛

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      3. A.C. Spider Baby
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        I'd give a thought to the same thing. Aguero was superb today but the price of him considering his radically lower level of performance away from home makes me jittery. Those millions can be pumped into midfielders like Demps.

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    1. Drip Doctor
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Looks like Sessegnon might come off my bench afterall.

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    2. Alan The Llama
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      supposed to snow there for a few more hours too

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    3. Acquafresca
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      It has stopped snowing for the time being, the pitch will be fine by tmrw due to the undersoil heating.

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    4. Pinturicchio
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Wonder if Chelsea will try to get it called off like last year 🙂

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  8. Menly
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Hello everyone 🙂

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      Hi, Menly. 🙂

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    2. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      ello menly good to see the siggy punt worked out 😉

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      1. Menly
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        Yeah and you too mate 🙂 would have kicked myself do hard if I'd played Dempsey!

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        1. Menly
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          *so hard

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    3. Holy See
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Storming through again I see Bernard!

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      1. Menly
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        Haha thanks mate 🙂

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        1. Holy See
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          12 years, 2 months ago

          Up over 500K in the last few weeks, you cheating? 😉

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          1. Menly
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            12 years, 2 months ago

            Ok I admit it, I did use that Van Persie hack....

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  9. blind faith
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    would u get rid of any of these for sigurdsson?

    bale, silva, dempsey, sess, mclean

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    1. Into The Void
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      bale, he's rubbish

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      1. blind faith
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        woah really?! wasn't expectin any1 to say silva or bale.
        last matches = 15, 7, 5, 3, 9, 1, 16 (rubbish? really??)

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        1. 1mills
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          12 years, 2 months ago

          What I wouldn't do is look up sarcasm in the dictionary.

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          1. blind faith
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 2 months ago

            o rite, guess sarcasm doesnt come across too well on the net.
            just thought into the void was a bit of a cock

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          2. blind faith
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            12 years, 2 months ago

            look at his comment further below. not sure it was sarcasm. just an anti bale fan.

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            1. 1mills
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              12 years, 2 months ago

              He's absolutely mental then.

              Last season Bale was mainly hype. This season he's good.

              I have the midfield of Silva, Bale, Dempsey, Sess, Valencia and really wanted Sigurdsson and he was a long term target in a few weeks when I "downgraded" one of the others.

              From your point of view it feels like it has to be Sess or Mclean. Will probably come down to what price did you buy Sess and could you you the £1.5-2mil elsewhere in the team?

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              1. blind faith
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 2 months ago

                yea i got 1.8 in the bank. was thinkin dempsey tbh. cant see his form maintaining.

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        2. Shipstontrev
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          12 years, 2 months ago

          Sarcasm is just one of the services he offers...

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    2. iCon
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      • 13 Years
      12 years, 2 months ago

      No, but I've Walters who will be taking a hike for him I reckon

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      1. A.C. Spider Baby
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        Walters does have decent fixtures but I'm losin' patience with him

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    3. The Pink Panzer strikes aga…
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Nope, you're looking good

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  10. mlmc123
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    quick question does the game allow you to ever have more than 2 free transfers at your disposal?

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    1. Declan-
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      no not unless you have a wc

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    2. iCon
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Yes, twice

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    3. Shipstontrev
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Only on a WC.

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    4. Parm
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Nope 🙂

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  11. The Pep Revolution
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Is the newcastle match expected to go ahead as scheduled tomorrow?

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    1. Elwood
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      I expect it to go ahead.

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  12. denial
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    • 14 Years
    12 years, 2 months ago

    Surman is cracking value.

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    1. Into The Void
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      yes he is. You're spot on there young man

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      1. denial
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        • 14 Years
        12 years, 2 months ago

        3 double figure GW's for 4.4

        Can't ask for much more than that.

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        1. mlmc123
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 2 months ago

          as a norwich fan myself glad to see surman do well but maclean at 4.5 is better value for me. surman is no doubt a rotation risk when howson gets fit he will get a run and lambert likes to change things around

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  13. Menly
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Up to around 500,000, 8th out of gw 5 😀

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    1. Declan-
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      well done. You have 7 points more than me and i started gw 1

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    2. The Pink Panzer strikes aga…
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      And coming 8th out of the GW5 starters, I see. Very nice indeed 🙂

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      1. The Pink Panzer strikes aga…
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 2 months ago

        Ahem - i see now that was in your post already - ooops. Well done anyway :/

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        1. Menly
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          12 years, 2 months ago

          Cheers mate 🙂

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  14. Locarno
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    All the stats and his price said "get him in", but there was no way Andrew Surman was making my team.

    Ah well...

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    1. Syd.
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 2 months ago

      Norwich

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      1. mlmc123
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 2 months ago

        maclean at 4.5 as a norwich fan myself i love surs reent form but with howson coming back in i would leave it

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  15. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Who thinks Valencia will rip it up tomorrow?

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    1. Declan-
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      me chelsea are useless atm and he will wreak havoc against whoever plays left back instead of cole

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      1. Pinturicchio
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        Cole got sent off on purpose so he doesn't ripped by Valencia as usual

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  16. Into The Void
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    I can't wait to see Bale fall on his monkey feet come Monday night

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    1. Shipstontrev
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      He'll score, gibbon half a chance!

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      1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        i winced at that one 😉

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        1. Shipstontrev
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          12 years, 2 months ago

          At least you didn't go ape! 😆

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      2. Into The Void
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        Top Stuff 🙂

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    2. Locarno
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Idiot.

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  17. Hect.OR 98th
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Anyone see any way to spend one of my two frees this week? Barring injury to one of my players tomorrow, I can't see an obvious change to make? Could do Senderos to Kelly to generate some cash?

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    1. The Pink Panzer strikes aga…
      • 12 Years
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      Well, you have a heap of spare cash and Fletcher isn't performing. Aguero?

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  18. denial
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    • 14 Years
    12 years, 2 months ago

    The main reason I played Walters over Sess was that I hate playing attacking players against defenders (especially doubled-up).

    And that was never a red for Huth. Very harsh.

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  19. benjen snow
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    What do people think of the Huth red card? Overtrned on appeal?

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    1. denial
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      • 14 Years
      12 years, 2 months ago

      I think what Syd says below.

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      1. Syd.
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        Atkinson loves flashing................................. The colour red

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  20. Syd.
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    What an awful decision..........

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    1. Granville
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      It was a terrible decision, I don't know what Huth is supposed to do in that situation, all he did was close down.

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    2. Art Vandelay
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Good chance it will be rescinded IMVVHO

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  21. Henry Hill
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Has QPR Wolves been on MOTD yet?

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    1. Syd.
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      yes

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    2. kraftwerker
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Yeah, was second on I think.

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    3. Menly
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Yep

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    4. Crouch Potato!
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Not sure, seen game, Taarbt was class, with 11 I reckon they would have coasted, so frustrating.

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      1. Henry Hill
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        Ya I saw it too, so frustrating mate. Still pissed off Cisse, I said it here at the time I could see a repeat of the Norwich match when Barton got sent off.

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  22. The Gambler.
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 2 months ago

    Man City baps predictions anyone???

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      havent seen the stats, but id say aguero will prob get 3, tho it didnt help him going off early

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      1. Chris_White
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 2 months ago

        kun 3 dzeko 2 aj 1

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  23. Pennywise
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Any Geordie lads on here still awake? If so can you look out your window and tell me what the snow looks like (praying for tomorrows game to be cancelled) 😈

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 2 months ago

      what! i want to see a heavily snooded (nicked from AB) Ba score in his first appearance back

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      1. GreenWindmill
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        • 12 Years
        12 years, 2 months ago

        Thought snoods were banned now?

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      2. Pennywise
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        There is good reason Colonel, I'm chasing a lead and got caught up in the will he won't he be rested talk of RVP and gave the armband to Ba in the final throws (from the aforementioned) - yes it was both brave and stupid, this will be my silver lining... humour me..

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    2. Locarno
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Better. F*cking. Not. Be.

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      1. Pennywise
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        12 years, 2 months ago

        You'll do fine, you're in the top 1000 anyway. Worst case scenario for you would be Migs coming on for Krul but he kept a cleanie! Oh and then Ward on for RTaylor.

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  24. kraftwerker
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Cracking goal that.

    Shame about the gay Bale-esque celebration.

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    1. Brian (Not the Messiah)
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      my wife loves it... yep, pretty gay

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  25. Brian (Not the Messiah)
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    sess -> Valencia this week makes sense I think...

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  26. yanky
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    2 free ones, im thinking keane sess > moses ba. good moves? should i pull the trigger tonight before ba's rise?

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  27. Alan The Llama
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    When Swansea played Norwich at home last season it was 3-0. Was gonna get the goalscorers in but think I'll settle for Gylfi.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/12945095

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    1. The Pink Panzer strikes aga…
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      12 years, 2 months ago

      Your grav is... irrepressible!

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  28. Alonso The Great Midfielder
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    please ba or bellamy didnt take a part in game...........have mcclean as 1st sub.....

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  29. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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    12 years, 2 months ago

    Valencia hat-trick tomorrow? I fancy it...This is what giddy optimism and an exciting points score does to you

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