The Burning Question: Can Wigan Start Where They Left Off?
Filed under: Feature - Posted by: Jonty
In the second of our “Burning Question” articles our contributors attempt the seemingly impossible; to predict the form of Wigan, arguably the most unpredictable team in Premier League history.
Take last season’s exploits, for example. At the end of October 2011, Wigan’s future as a top-flight team looked bleak as they sat bottom of the table, licking their wounds after six successive defeats. By the end of January they were four points adrift of the pack and seemingly down and out but, to Roberto Martinez’s credit, the Latics ushered in one of the top-flight’s greatest ever spring cleans. From March to May the Lancashire outfit notched up seven precious victories and claimed the scalps of some of the Premier League’s biggest names. The 2-1 victory away to Liverpool on March 24 was just the start as, incredibly, Manchester United, Arsenal and Newcastle all succumbed to a rejuvenated Wigan.
The key reason for the change was a shift in formation, using Emerson Boyce and Jean Beausejour as wingbacks in a 3-4-3 in attack that reverted to a 5-4-1 when in defence. This tactic relied heavily on the engines of Boyce and Beausejour and both duly delivered with gutsy and creative displays. Whether they are able to continue their fine form down the flanks this coming season will be crucial to the Latics’ success, as will be the goal scoring form of Franco di Santo, the most likely contender to spearhead the three-pronged attack alongside Shaun Maloney and Chelsea target Victor Moses. The early fixture list has also been reasonably kind (CHE, sot, STO, mun, FUL, sun) with only a couple of giants looming on the horizon for Wigan to bring down to size.
Mark says…
I’d really like to think that they can hit the ground running. Their incredible end of season form, defying the fixture list, was one of my highlights of last season. At one point, with Victor Moses conspiring to ensure I was ridiculed on every turn, I said some rather harsh things about Wigan in the ScoutCast – Granville will remember them well. I went home and felt so awful, I edited my rant before we published. That’s how much I admire Martinez – I’ll happily edit the ScoutCast to be sure not to upset him.
Last season was a pure victory for the likeable Spaniard and his defiant belief in a tactical system and the players he had available to implement it. While he barely registered on the Fantasy richter scale, Jean Beausejour turned out to be a key figure. The accuracy of his crosses from the left was unreal, while the previously ordinary Emmerson Boyce suddenly turned into a source of assists and goals from the right. Even Moses delivered on the potential I’d highlighted earlier in the season, while Franco Di Santo started looking like a centre-forward. I’ve seen a rag-tag bunch of individuals pull off a similar footballing feat before – but that was in Escape to Victory. Even I will hesitate to compare Moses to Pele.
Martinez has managed to hold on to what he’s got and hasn’t upset the applecart with new signings that threaten to re-organise the tactics. A 3-4-3 looks set to remain but the question is – are other teams wise to the approach and ready to counter it? The meet with Chelsea is a classic opening day clash. Previously we’ve seen Wigan hit the day one headlines for the wrong reason but, if they can prove themselves against a Chelsea defence that has looked shaky in pre-season, then bandwagons will start rolling for their home fixtures with Stoke and Fulham. For me, Shaun Maloney looks cheap. If he stays fit he could be outstanding in the budget bracket. It’s a big “if” though.
Anorak says…
The traditional summer pursuit for Dave Whelan’s Wigan has them hawking around their star talent, their headline act that finished the season with such a bang. This so often leaves the Wigan manager to pick up the pieces and prepare the team for another year without their main man. This season’s patsy appears to be Victor Moses, with Chelsea lined up to pay the top dollar. However, even if Moses remains at the DW come September, the departure of midfield enforcer Momo Diamé to West Ham has already set the tone and thinned the squad. I fear Wigan and their conveyor belt of young prospects will have a fight on their hands again.
Granville says…
It seems that every season Wigan start on the back foot, having to re-adjust to the loss of a influential player. Last term it was Charles N’Zogbia, this close season they’ve already lost Momo Diame and Hugo Rodallega and if Chelsea get their way, Victor Moses is about to join the exodus. This all points to a tough start again, although having said that, last term they started with a win and a couple of draws. Initially their fixture list is rather mixed. They play Chelsea and United in the first five games, but either side they have home encounters against poor travellers, Fulham and Stoke. Much will depend on Di Santo and the pre-season free scoring, Mauro Boselli: Jean Beausejour will supply from the flanks, but can they really deliver the goals?
Andy says…
God only knows what Wigan offer us this season. Roberto Martinez managed to get Emmerson Boyce to score two Premier League goals in a game: that miracle alone surely tells us to expect the unexpected. A team with a strike force of the often inept Franco Di Santo, the anonymous Conor Sammon and a catatonic Hugo Rodallega, somehow survived and so it’s hard to question the man at the helm. With Mauro Boselli back in the ranks, Martinez has another source of “hidden” talent to work with. More than likely, though, relegation will finally beckon.
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treble up on swans defence!
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im really not sure on swans this year, apart form one full back they havent strengthened their defence and i think the loss of caulker will be massive to them
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Isn't that exactly what they've covered with Chico?
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i thought he was a full back? my mistake if not
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no Chico is a CB Tosey
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ok lads cheers, well i guess they may be worth a punt
not for me though- 10 months, 13 days ago
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I knew you'd bottle it
I think that's a more wise than 2 defs, especially with the rotation worries.- 10 months, 13 days ago
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haha i really want to do it but if i go for lescott and agger joins ill be worried every week and 6.5m on a defender im worried about each week is a lot of money!!
plus aguero is guna hit 20+ goals isnt he- 10 months, 13 days ago
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I've has Kun & Pig in my team since day one, although played with dropping Kun to Tevez. I now think Pig has to go as I reckon Kun will have a blinder.
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I have Hart, Lescott & Aguero. I think it dangerous not having Kun. I have some money in the bank and will upgrade Lescott to Kompany if Agger signs.
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As last year showed the real key to success to investing in consistent strikers, who will hover up bps and who you can captain. I'd consider switching Hart to DDG or Cech ...and keep Kompany and Aguero...that way you have a nailed on defender who'll get 6-9 most weeks and a nailed on captain for every other week. His home stats are off the chart.
think of it this way, are you more scared by not having Ageuro or more scared by not having a third Man City defender.- 10 months, 13 days ago
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This.
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think i will go with aguero
im definitely going with hart and kompany though, citys defensive form since december last year warrants the extra outlay imo- 10 months, 13 days ago
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Don't listen to them. Treble. Its your thing after all. And the defender is surely a better value. And I love the City fixtures defensively wise when I had a closer look
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so do i daniel but the lescott/agger situation worries me
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Well looks like Agger won't come. If he doesn't come continue with your strategy. But if something happens that re asses
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hart and kompnay? you're bonkers mate, not enough value in having both
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12 cleanies in their last 23 games last season would suggest otherwise
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Much better, imo.
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Agger just tattooed YNWA on his knuckles.
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You'll Never Win Again
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How nailed on is Valencia do we think?
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rb
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fairly well (at right back
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hmm, Tottenham seems to be the only teams that you don't have to worry about rotation too much
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Newcastle? Seems fairly sorted to me.
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No, they aren't.
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best way to avoid worrying about rotation too much is to pick the exact players who are not subject to much rotation
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As nailed on as any Man U mid.
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1st choice on the RW but won't play every game.
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1st choice, so why won't he play every game?
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Because it's SAF
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Most nailed on. Him or Nani should be your pick if youre going in with a United MF.
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LOLP
Either Aguero or Rooney needs to leave my team…
If Aguero, he’d be downgraded to Tevez.
If Rooney then I’d bring in either Nani or Kagawa into the mids…
Which is more sensible?- 10 months, 13 days ago
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I'd ditch Rooney.
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jack: I've made a weak defence, strong attack team. I really see the appeal now! what's yours look like?
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Hoe lyk jou defence?
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Vorm,Rudd
Rangel,Hughes,McCartney,Cuellar,Gorkss
I can play Rangel every week and rotate 4 between 2 places... works out fine!- 10 months, 13 days ago
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Nice, that's even cheaper then mine is (even when I put Taylor in there)
I honestly think its strange that so many people are overlooking it, seems to me at the start of every season cheaper defences have always taken over after a few weeks. Then eventually buy big hitters as value increases.- 10 months, 13 days ago
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yeah, I remember I did that last season and it worked out pretty well for me
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To be honest I've not looked at it for a while (besides putting Cazorla in)
My defence at the moment is Cole Hughes Cuellar Rangel Gunter
But I'm honestly considering S.Taylor over Cole and going with big in attack (6-7 big hitters)- 10 months, 13 days ago
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Feast yer eyes!
Vorm ,Rudd
Rangel,Hughes,McCartney,Cuellar,Gorkss
Mata,Valencia,Noble,Bale,Santi Cazorla
Pogrebnyak,Torres,Aguero- 10 months, 13 days ago
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Haha, I like it!
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That midfield.
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I'll just rotate Noble and Pog. Planning on wc after gw4, so I'll pick up the bargain 6.5 mids and 7-9 strikers then.
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oh and get rid of pog if he's a dud!
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I currently (if I go with cheap defense) have;
Green Davis
Hughes S.Taylor Rangel Cuellar Gunter
Mata Cazorla Bale Nani Kacaniklic
Aguero Graham Tevez- 10 months, 13 days ago
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finally somone with nani in team
are you keeping Aguero+Tevez untill gw 3 , or?- 10 months, 13 days ago
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nice! Torres-> Tevez gives you some moola to work with! You think Nani is a better pick than Valencia?
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I'm sure I remember RVP in your team force?
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RVP has been in my team but i C him like 2 times in whole season...
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Currently a toss up between Nani and Valencia, will probably go Lampard to start and see who looks best GW1, maybe even Kagawa.
Will probably keep Aguero/Tevez for SOT liv QPR and then see what's happening, plenty of alternatives from GW4, Jelavic and Bent look to have decent fixtures from then on.- 10 months, 13 days ago
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i am looking at Torres----Rooney in gw2 (if rvp dosnt sign he is the safest option)
Aguero----jelly after gw3
and i'll try get Suarez in gw6- 10 months, 13 days ago
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your team costs 100.5 million????
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whos team?
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I assume yours because mine doesnt
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maybe he chose ruddy instead of rudd!
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Any merit to this?
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yeah, the defense rotates easily enough... always leaving 2 on the bench means its a bit silly to buy big there I guess
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Currently on
Jussi Bego
Vidic Cole Saylor Cuellar Gorkks- 10 months, 13 days ago
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I had Cole and Lescott for a while. then I realised they're at risk of rotation, so why bother!
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Just look at last seasons top scorers for an easy understanding, and the difference between the big defenders and the cheaper ones compared to big attackers and cheaper ones.
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I'm looking at starting with Aguero and then possibly change him to Rooney later.
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At the moment I've brought Valencia in for Rooney
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me too
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A. Lescott & Yaya
B. Kompany & Ramires- 10 months, 13 days ago
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Kompany is overpriced, no matter which way you look at it.
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B
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what do we think?will mate start the seaason?
i am looking to get either
Mata+Siggy/VDV(depends on modric situation)
or
Lampard+Bale- 10 months, 13 days ago
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mata* start the season
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If I say Lamp+Bale, will u go for Mata+Siggy/VdV ?
Tbh, no doubt for me.. Lampard+Bale is the safest option, and probably the best (points wise)- 10 months, 13 days ago
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lampard will really play ? lots of midfielders at chelsea and he didnt even play much last season when di matteo took over AVB.. this season hazard and oscar are added to his position
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Which defence guys, both have De Gea/Federici for the GKs...
A - Cole, Koscielny, Gorkss, Demel, Tierney
B - Cole, STaylor, Cuellar, Hughes, Clyne
Cheers!- 10 months, 13 days ago
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Think I'm set on no Rooney for the foreseeable. Yes, he has good fixtures in GWs 2-4, but the rest of the first 10 GWs are tough, and he doesn't look at all sharp yet. I'll probably get a MUN midfielder for coverage over those 3 weeks if any of them stand out.
So, what do we think of this team?
Friedel, Federici
Ivanovic, Clichy, Cuellar, Mariappa, McCartney
Bale, Lampard, Taarabt , Noble, Maloney
Aguero, Torres, Tevez- 10 months, 13 days ago
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Rooney never cared much for fixtures did he.
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Im afraid he cared a bit too much about pie this preseson tho...
But you are right, Rooney is Rooney.. could score against any team. Still holding off tho, lets see what happens in the first few gws...- 10 months, 13 days ago
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there will probably be rooney rapage first 4 gw's then everyone will buy him, then he'll do ok and everyone will jump on aguero instead. lol
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Agreed. I for one will be watching as he collects points for my FPL tally.
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This is true, and I clearly have learnt nothing from last season. No doubt he'll be in my team at some stage, I'd just like to see a bit of form first...
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Yep. He is a home boy, mostly.
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Much better. I'd go for Maloney > Yaya and Tevez > a 6.0 striker though.
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Have we figured out which position Siggy will be playing?
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Most likely CM.
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I think AVB will use him both at DM and behind the striker, depending on availability and form of other players. Especially VDV.
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What do you guys think about Micah Richards?
Beast of a right back and price 6.0.
I'm surprised not many have him.- 10 months, 13 days ago
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Would rather Zabaleta.
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Why is that?
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He was first choice in the second half of the season, and has played almost every game pre-season, and Richards is currently injured and hasn't featured for City.
Zabaleta should be a safe bet for the first few GW's at least.- 10 months, 13 days ago
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Zabaleta ended the season as first choice RB and Richards also hobbled off in the Olympics - expected to miss community shield on Sunday.
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Not nailed on.
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he is out for 2 weeks minimum dude
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I'm not sure he's fit Kris.
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Hello
Please could you rate my team:-
GK: Friedel - 5.5m
DF: Lescott - 6.5m
DF: Cole - 6.5m
DF: Hangeland - 5m
MF: Toure - 8m
MF: Bale - 9.5m
MF: Guthrie - 4.5m
MF: Hazard - 9.5m
FC: Aguero - 11.5m
FC: Torres - 10m
FC: Graham - 6m
Subs:-
GK: Frederic - 4.5m
DF: Demel - 4m
DF: Cuellar - 4.5m
MF: Britton - 4.5m
My thoughts:-
I'm fairly happy with my selection. I feel the team has good balance, I especially like my defence and think that could be where a lot of the points come from. I am unsure about Hazard in regards to whether he will actually start the first game and also whether he will actually be a success.
My Questions:-
1) Is it better to have a low value defence?
2) What do you think is the best formation?
I look forward to any feedback!!!!
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Yeah, looks fine to me.
I'd start Federici instead of Friedel though. Would be slightly worried having no Man Utd players, as you will definitely want one next week.
Think I read Demel had taken a knock so would be tempted by Clyne / Tierney instead.- 10 months, 13 days ago
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U will play 2 out of Guthrie/Britton/Graham every gw.. I dont like it.
1. Yes
2. 3-4-3 or 3-5-2- 10 months, 13 days ago
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a) Taarabt & Torres
b) Mata, Graham & 0.5m to upgrade somewhere, e.g. Clichy -> Lescott, Ivan -> Terry, or Mariappa -> Hughes etc
Friedel, Federici
Ivanovic, Clichy, Cuellar, Mariappa, McCartney
Bale, Lampard, XXX , Noble, Maloney
Aguero, Tevez, XXX- 10 months, 13 days ago
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on the other hand...where's your ANY ManU player?
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Don't have any - depending on how Lamps/Mata and the likes of Kagawa/Nani/Valencia look in GW1, I could make that trade in GW2.
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Which of thees players have real chance of starting in first XI ?
Dawson (TOT)
Kolarov, Savic (MCI)
Anderson (MUN)
Jenkinson, Ramsey (ARS)
Ramires, Meireles (CHE)- 10 months, 13 days ago
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Dawson is a coinflip
Kolarov might (at least) start the first gw, given his time in the 3-5-2 system in preseason
Anderson, maybe.. dont think so.. think he did pretty good against Barca tho
Jenkinson yes (at first), Ramsey probably not..- 10 months, 13 days ago
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cole, ivan or lescott from gw 4 onwards?
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You should change your name
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always late in changing the name
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yupp. i forget about the name sometimes tbh. though i've been about a year early in changing the grav
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best option for the start:
Taarabt
N'Zogbia
Pienaar
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this price range is too risky fro gw1 selections IMO.
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Pienaar for me - showing form
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ok my current squad is
hart, daniels
kompany, cole, demel, clyne, tierney
bale, michu, pilkington, noble, maloney
rooney, aguero, petric
with 1.5m in bank
whats the best way of getting a 2nd chelsea player in?
a) torres in for rooeny for first week (would have 3.5m in bank and could go rvp if needed)
b) lamps in for bale for first week
c) downgrade petric to pogrebnyak and go lampard in for michu
d) downgrade petric to pogrebnyak and go ivanovic in for demel (captain aguero)
e) downgrade pilkington to 5m mid and go lampard in for michu
f) downgrade pilkington to 5m mid and go ivanovic in for demel (captain aguero)- 10 months, 13 days ago
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serktheturk says:
Not bad team at all mate. I’d aonly re consider Friedel, Hazard and Hangelaand. Parker is out so spurs likely to concede goals plu they didn;t look good vs Valencia last night, go fo Mig or Vorm perhaps? Hazard could go either way, too risky though, but giving that Chelsea have midfielders more than Chinese people, i doubt he’ll start to both games. Hangelaand is reliable but Fulham aren’t, go for Santon perhaps, more of an attacing threat.
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sorry mate. wrong place!
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No Bent? Why? the fixtures are tasty and they have new manager. I thought that you would go with Bent
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Downgrade Kun to Bent and use the cash
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do u not think aguero is a shoe-in for 20+ goals this season though?
aguero> bent gwk4 is an option- 10 months, 13 days ago
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i would like to but how do i get him in without getting rid of citys defence, chelsea cover or bale or rooney?
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wow. kompany. you really think he's worth 7.5?
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yep, 12 cleanies in the last 23 games last season
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Pilkington --> Guthrie, Demel --> Terry (c) I reckon.
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could be a shout, how about that kakancilic instead of guthrie though?
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Yeah, if he tickles your fancy.
I quite rate Guthrie based on his performances for us last season - was a shame to see him go. Can see him taking the odd free-kick / corner too.
I think Kakancilic could be more explosive though.- 10 months, 13 days ago
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B is the safest option i belive
i like pilkington punt
haven't see him in manny RMT's- 10 months, 13 days ago
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Not bad team at all mate. I'd aonly re consider Friedel, Hazard and Hangelaand. Parker is out so spurs likely to concede goals plu they didn;t look good vs Valencia last night, go fo Mig or Vorm perhaps? Hazard could go either way, too risky though, but giving that Chelsea have midfielders more than Chinese people, i doubt he'll start to both games. Hangelaand is reliable but Fulham aren't, go for Santon perhaps, more of an attacing threat.
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didn't realise chelsea had any chinese people!
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now u do!
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RVP and Modric transfer saga is so annoying
basicly if RVP sign for UTD i will have to change whole team cause i am not getting 12M and 13M striker to share atacking pts
also,i wanna see Modric go cause in that case Levey would probably finally buy Adebayor and i would start with him from the start of the season
i hate when my whole team and few gws plan depends on transfer situation- 10 months, 13 days ago
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Agreed, Forca. I am wondering what to do with Rooney. If I do start with him it's easy to downgrade though. If I don't, I doubt I'd be able to get him in for ages.
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Any love for JS Park? Should be regular starter and nicks the odd goal, might be decent for 6Mil
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New post.
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Norwich without Lambert
QPR
Reading
Southampton
Swansea without Rodgers
West Brom without Hodgson
West Ham
Wigan
I can't remember the last time there were so many relegation candidates.
I predict the competition will be fierce to see which three teams manage to squeeze themselves under this season's limbo pole of a relegation zone.- 10 months, 13 days ago
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not sure if i'd put qpr in that list
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@Jackoff - noticed you've brough Cazorla straight into your team - think he'll hit the ground running? I'm actually tempted to start with Walcott .
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Anyone starting the season without Chelsea defenders?
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I am. GW 3.
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Anyone know of a site which shows all friendly results and goalscorers? Hopefully can find the next Moses bandwagon which paid off in the end
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This site, under the "pre-season" tab at the top.
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Boselli
look no further- 10 months, 13 days ago
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I actually bought him & rod for his first game few years ago, think they had an "easy game on paper" and they got hammered by a new team.
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Federici (Krul)
Hughes Clichy Cole (Clyne Barnett)
Hazard Yaya Nolan Pienaar (Britton)
Torres Aguero Jelavic
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Cerny (De Gea)
Koscielny Clichy Cole (Clyne Barnett)
Lampard Cazorla Yaya Pienaar (Britton)
Torres Aguero Vaz Te
I'm liking Nolan/Vaz Te... West Ham have a decent fixture list at the beg. of the season- 10 months, 13 days ago
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change hazard to lampard and A is good
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Who should be my captain for this week???
Torres, Mata, or Aguero?- 10 months, 13 days ago
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auguero safe option
mata no way
torres risk but big reward
im going torres- 10 months, 13 days ago
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can jelevic perform as well as rooney in the first 14 weeks with evertons fixtures
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A) Lampard and Mata. Bale for either in GW2.
B) Lampard and Torres. Rooney for Torres in GW2.- 10 months, 13 days ago
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A) lampard/Valencia
B) Hazard/Kagawa- 10 months, 13 days ago
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been set on going with the treble on citys defence for a while now but not having aguero worries me. also the talk of agger signing for a quoted 27m worries me
may just go with hart, kompany and aguero
thoughts?