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The Sun Dream Team – Selection Guide – Defenders

In our second selection guide for The Sun Dream Team, we turn our attention to the defence, casting an eye on the strategies involved in selecting a back four and the prime candidates on offer.

While the big points scorers can be found further up the field, with a quartet of defenders a pre-requisite for our lineups in The Sun Dream Team, we can ill-afford to neglect this area. As with our goalkeeper selection, we’re looking for regular starters first and foremost, although, as we’ll see, attacking instincts and the potential for goals is also key.

Before we begin looking at specific player options, let’s analyse the factors that govern our selection – including last season’s performance, the influence of cup fixtures and possible transfer window strategies.

The Strategies

Top Ten Sun Dream Team Defenders by Overall Points 2012/13

NameTeamStarts7+ RatingsStar ManGoalsCSGCPoints
BainesEverton4432571248196
IvanovicChelsea5421381860177
VertonghenTottenham Hotspur4828371359164
LuizChelsea5018171955153
AggerLiverpool3820131741138
ShawcrossStoke City4022511344135
JohnsonLiverpool4120211846135
WilliamsSwansea City4125301347129
JagielkaEverton4118431144129
MertesackerArsenal4314131743124

Looking back at the previous campaign’s data, it’s clear that some familiar names from other Fantasy games also dominate in The Sun Dream Team. Leighton Baines’ status as the top defensive asset is compounded by his standing, here: he finished the season some 22 points ahead of his nearest rival in The Sun Dream Team, despite claiming just 12 clean sheets. Everton’s progress to the FA Cup semi-finals boosted another eye-catching Premier League season for Baines, who achieved a points per game stat of 4.5 – by far the most impressive amongst the top ranked defenders.

The Chelsea pairing of Branislav Ivanovic and David Luiz benefited from a successful Europa League campaign but turned in points per game numbers of 3.2 and 2.9 respectively – emphasising Baines’ efficiency. Tottenham’s Jan Vertonghen was also aided by Europa League appearances and, overall, it’s significant that these top four defenders all claimed seven or more goals over the season – underlining the importance of targeting those capable of contributing at the sharp end.

While goals are clearly an important factor, we should also consider the role played by points gained for Star Man and 7+ ratings.

Baines, Stoke’s Ryan Shawcross and West Ham’s James Collins all topped the Star Man charts for defenders with modest totals of five awards. In 2011/12, Baines, along with Shawcross, were two of eight defenders tied on just three at the top. Compare this to Juan Mata’s 15, and the 13 accrued by both Gareth Bale and Luis Suarez last season, and it’s clear that, like goalkeepers, defenders struggle to overshadow their attacking team-mates when it comes to picking up man-of-the-match status.

Points from 7+ Sun Ratings are easier to obtain, however. There were ten defenders who earned 7+ ratings on 20 or more occasions last season, with Baines registering a hugely impressive tally of 32 from his 44 starts, gathering 96 points in this area. Vertonghen also gained heavily here – he collected 7+ ratings on 28 occasions from 48 starts, while Swansea’s Ashley Williams earned the same accolade in 25 of his 41 Dream Team starts.

As a rule, aside from the obvious benefit of scoring in a match, dominant central defenders and full-backs with strong attacking impetus are the most likely to earn a 7+ rating. Baines has featured in the top five rankings for 7+ ratings over the last four seasons – emphasising the importance of a consistent attacking presence. Similarly, both Shawcross and Williams have made the top ten for 7+ ratings in the past two seasons (with Star Man awards also a factor) – it’s obvious that the duo have something to offer in this area.

Cup Campaigns

There’s no question that a Cup run and, in particular, a European campaign can be big factors behind the number of appearances, and therefore the points tallies, of your defenders. In some cases, defensive stalwarts can be less prone to rotation than their attacking counterparts.

Vertonghen was a key benefactor of Tottenham’s Europa League campaign last term, earning 41 of his 164 points in Europe. Similarly, both Ivanovic and Luiz collected 17 and 25 additional points from Champions League and Europa League matches, with Liverpool’s Glen Johnson fetching 18 additional points.

We’re not talking big margins here, but clearly, targeting players with the potential of regular starts in European matches is another factor to consider.

Domestic cup runs can also be considered, but these are far trickier to anticipate, with rotation in the FA and Capital One Cups likely to be rife amongst those sides also competing in Europe. Typically, we’ll see all the Champions League contenders rotate across the board in the domestic cup competitions, leading us to look to those teams outside of these four, perhaps honing in on those sides who will field strong lineups in both domestic trophies – the likes of Everton, West Ham and Norwich, perhaps.

Window Watching

Planning transfer strategies according to The Sun Dream Team Transfer Window is crucial, not least in defence where you can tailor your tactics to give yourself the best opportunity of earning clean sheet rewards.

Transfer Window 1 opens with just three Premier League fixtures played out, on September 3. You’ll have three transfers to use before the Gameweek 4 on September 14 and, with a “use them or lose” policy, it’s wise to examine the options of signing defenders with this in mind.

It’s worth considering a policy of adopting one or even two slots in your back four that can be used to rotate a defender in and out in each Transfer Window according to fixtures and cup progress. Of course, such best laid plans can be ripped up by untimely injuries, however.

The Season Ticker is your key weapon here. We can easily identify those with the easier fixtures over the first three Gameweeks and, if you’re a member, you can use the “clean sheets” filter on the interactive ticker to find those defences most likely to earn shut-outs in this spell.

Our members can also tailor their ticker to examine the next Transfer Window that opens on November 12. By restricting the full Members Ticker to Gameweeks 3-11 you can analyse the difficulty of fixtures between Transfer Window 1 and Transfer Window 2, revealing some valid strategies and targets.

As an example, Southampton face home matches with West Ham, Crystal Palace, Swansea, Fulham and Hull all before Transfer Window 2, therefore, switching in a defender from St Mary’s in Transfer Window 1 for this spell looks an option.

With the Capital One Cup reaching the fourth round by October 28, you will be able to adjust your defence according to those teams who have made progress by the time Transfer Window 2 comes into effect.

It’s not so easy in Europe, with the Europa League and Champions League both on matchday four of the group stages by the time Transfer Window 2 opens.

The FA Cup Third Round does not take place until January 4, so progress here only becomes a factor for the Transfer Window 3 that opens on January 21.

The Players

Baines and Vertonghen are obvious draws once again this season with both set to offer a significant attacking threat and assured league starts. There are caveats that might curb investment prior to Transfer Window 1, however, with Baines’ future at Goodison still not uncertain and Vertonghen looking a doubt for the opening fixtures with a pre-season ankle injury. Once settled, however, both look hugely tempting as heavy-hitter investments with Vertonghen’s price tag of £5.5m, coupled with Tottenham’s kind schedule of fixtures up until Transfer Window 2, perhaps giving him the edge once fit.

Coverage of both Man City and United will be high on the agenda given their potential to harvest clean sheets, although the fixture list suggests that initial investment should go the way of Manuel Pellegrini’s side. City have Newcastle, Cardiff and Hull before the first transfer window, while United’s defence face both Liverpool and Chelsea in the same spell.

Vincent Kompany seems likely to be the most secure option in the City rearguard with both full-backs and the Belgian’s central defensive partner set to shuffle on the domestic front and in Europe. If you’re not spending on Joe Hart in goal, the City captain looks a shoo-in, at least until Transfer Window 1 swings open and the United defence comes into play.

That will also give us time to assess how David Moyes will approach his back four. With the likes of Nemanja Vidic, Rio Ferdinand, Jonny Evans and Phil Jones all available for the centre-half roles, the full-backs – Patrice Evra and Rafael, could be the safer routes to take. Jones, if he can cement a start, either in defence or midfield, looks the one to watch given his modest £4m price tag.

Chelsea’s defensive assets are difficult to sift through. Jose Mourinho will surely rotate at the back and, aside from Ashley Cole (£6.0), few look assured of regular starts in the league, let alone the cup competitions. Luiz, with a significant goal threat, looks to be the crown jewel but at £6.5m, his potential comes at a price. With a difficult start to the campaign (United, Everton, Tottenham and City all before Transfer Window 2), it may be wise to look elsewhere in order to assess Mourinho’s selection pattern.

Lower down the brackets, Ashley Williams, with a valuation of just £3.5m, has attracted more interest than any other defender – he’s been selected by over 31% of managers in The Sun Dream Team so far. Swansea’s Europa League campaign is presumably a factor, here, with Chico (£2.5) finding his way into over 21% of sides. Both could be set to plummet should Swansea falter in qualifying, although arguably, the duo have merits regardless of potential European returns.

Liverpool’s Kolo Toure looks a stronger option in the same bracket. Having figured prominently in pre-season and with Martin Skrtel’s future at Anfield far from certain, Toure looks exceptional value at just £3m. As we mentioned in our previous guide to The Sun Dream Team goalkeepers, there is real merit in acquiring both Toure and Simon Mignolet given their price and Liverpool’s strong early schedule.

Baines’ team-mate Seamus Coleman (£3m) offers an interesting alternative. Classed as a midfielder last season, Coleman is expected to claim the start on the right side of Roberto Martinez’s defence, either as a full-back or wing-back. That should see him contribute regularly to attack and draw plenty of 7+ ratings should Martinez start his Goodison career strongly.

In the budget bracket, West Ham’s defence offers new signing Razvan Rat for just £1m – a hugely attractive option going into Transfer Window 1 with the Hammers facing Cardiff and Stoke at Upton Park, with a trip to Newcastle sandwiched in between. Rat could be a keeper over the season given that price tag, although a transfer out to cash in on Southampton’s aforementioned run up to Transfer Window 2 looks a good tactic.

Full-backs Luke Shaw and Nathaniel Clyne can each be acquired for £2.5m and if Jose Fonte or Jos Hooiveld can secure at start, they can be snapped up for just £1m. Beyond those two clubs, Norwich City’s Michael Turner, at just £1.5m, looks another bargain. If he can gain continue to command starts alongside Sebastian Bassong, he should offer value, particularly if Chris Hughton’s side can translate their summer spending into a domestic Cup run.

The Sun Dream Team Scout League

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2,838 Comments Post a Comment
  1. In Tommy We Trust
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Done it. First RVP team I'm happy with. The gamble to go without seems daft when its a 38GW season and there just isn't viable United alternative. 🙂

    Happy with this lot

    Boruc/Foster

    GJ/Mert (Pieters/Lowton/Aaylor)

    Hazard(c)/Silva Lallana(fixture man) (Jarvis/Kim)

    RVP/Giroud/Kone

    Giroud might be Lukaku for the DGW if more news comes out of nailed-on-ness

    Any thoughts?

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    1. Smarty Pants
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      NO KOLAROV 😯

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        :lol; arov

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        1. In Tommy We Trust
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Fail 😳

          😆 arov

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    2. Chris_White
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Same strikeforce and GK rotation as myself. Too much tied up in GJ and Mert for my taste, but could work out nicely. Lallana is an underrated FPL prospect but I feel you will get stung by that mid...

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        It's the weakest element for sure but there are reasons for the picks.

        Jarvis/Kim rotation is;

        CAR/new/STK/hul/EVE/hul/NEW

        Also think there's some real value in Kim

        What's your midfield looking like Chris?

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        1. Call Me Old Fashioned
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Agree with Kim.

          Jarvis is far from nailed on, keep an eye on that. It looks worth a go on paper though

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          1. In Tommy We Trust
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Really. Will keep watch.

            Cheers

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        2. Chris_White
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          My midfield is where I'm currently struggling at who to pick.

          I like Haz and Silva as the big hitters - will have to watch the rest of pre-season to monitor if there's actually any mid-priced ones I'd like to get. If not, I might end up investing at the back like you have and take it from there.

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          1. In Tommy We Trust
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Other option in my head is to downgrade GJ to run with 2, 2 ways at the back (will be the five way rotation with Mert in instead of WBA) and upgrade Lallana to Oscar as a punt player

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            1. Chris_White
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 8 months ago

              I'd rather just stick with Lallana tbh, Oscar will be rotated like a merry-go-round...

              My love for 1+2,2 is perhaps making me a bit blind but we'll see 😉

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              1. In Tommy We Trust
                • 13 Years
                10 years, 8 months ago

                My dislike for them is puting me off 😆

                Bent moves to Fulham swap Kone with him and upgrade GJ to Kompany

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        3. Woy of the Wovers
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          I think the overspend is in the front line. With RVP, you need to look more for budget strikers.

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          1. In Tommy We Trust
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            J Rod and Barfa instead of Kone and Lallana?

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            1. Woy of the Wovers
              • 13 Years
              10 years, 8 months ago

              BArfa wouldn't be my choice but i think JRod is in the right direction.

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    3. Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Just one DGWer?

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        2 + Lukaku potentially

        Don't want to overload on player I will want shot of once GW1 finishes

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        1. Dino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          If it is a player likely to avg over 4ppg then you should be able to take a hit after and still proffit?

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          1. In Tommy We Trust
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Still the risk of the 4ppg though. He's far from nailed on.

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    4. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      no Thomas no likey 😉

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        dam it 😉

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  2. Dino
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Just looking at the3rds bonus analysis and our old friend adam would have had an extra 13 bonus for 2011/2012 and he only played less than 2/3rd of the season mins!

    Pro-rata to 169+pts and he is only 5.5m this year! Every possibility if he gets a first team spot and walters gets dropped (as should happen) he could be on pens too pushing him up to close on 200pts LOL

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    1. Tatty Bojangles
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I can't bring myself to have a Stoke player in my team 🙁

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      1. Dino
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Lol taff, I am thinking of going with crouch too (ono)

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        1. Tatty Bojangles
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          I had him last season for a few weeks and it destroyed my soul a little bit.

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          1. Dino
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Haha I can well imagine.

            I am just thinking for 6m if he is nailed and trying to impress in a wc cup year we could get semi roque santa cruz returns. I am thinking 150ish points maybe but we need to see more of what hughes is planning first.

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  3. thorvaldsson
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Bale out Walcott and Baines in .There makes his 249 for me. Thank you Mr.Bale.

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    1. Woy of the Wovers
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I cant do that. Already have Walcott.

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    2. Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Another member of the Baines club. Welcome aboard 😉

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      1. thorvaldsson
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Baines is so solid I don't even care how crazy Martinez is.

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  4. King Henrik
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Life without Bale ... please RMT

    Mannone

    Luiz Coleman Collins
    Hazard Paulinho Walcott Snodgrass
    Rvp Lukaku dzeko

    Boruc Clyne Thomas Chester.

    Thought guys ??
    Thanks

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    1. Game...Blouses
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Dzeko is the only one standing out for me. A lot to pay for a striker that isn't nailed on. Maybe Lambert or Berbatov?

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    2. lilmessipran
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      dont like paulinho...nolan or hba maybe?

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  5. Lukakwho
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Evening everyone, long-time reader, first-time poster. Keen to hear any thoughts my team below, the result of A LOT of drafts...

    Mignolet --- (Given)

    Cole --- Collins --- Kompany --- (Clyne) --- (Chester)

    Walcott --- Hazard --- Paulinho --- Coutinho --- (Snodgrass)

    Lambert --- Dzeko --- Lukaku

    Assuming there's no Bale (looking increasingly unlikely), here's why I've picked them...

    * Mignolet - will start every game for me. Like the Liverpool fixtures.
    * Given - or any other 4.0. Gambling on Ming not getting injured but I'd want to make a sub if he did anyway.
    * Cole - DGW. Won't play in GW2 and he'll be gone by GW4. (probably for Koscielny thanks to Arsenal's home and away defensive prowess last season and his goal threat)
    * Collins - rotates cheaply with Clyne.
    * Kompany - most nailed-on Man City defender with a good fixture start. Worried about Zab/Richards.
    * Clyne - rotates with Collins, Southampton looking safer with the Schneiderlin/Wanyama combo in front of the defence.
    * Chester - RMT tells me he shouldn't play any of my opening 8 fixtures, therefore a 4.0 who should be on the pitch.
    * Walcott - good fixtures, good pre-season, scored lots last year.
    * Hazard - DGW & only nailed on Chelsea mid for me. May keep through the blank.
    * Paulinho - gamble but likely to be key to Spurs if Bale goes. Decent track record in Brazil of a goal or assist every two games.
    * Coutinho - great end to last season, great pre-season, good fixtures. Key before Sturridge returns.
    * Snodgrass - likely to rotate with one of my strikers some of the time. Optimistic about a few more goals/assists with better players in front of him than Grant Holt.
    Lambert - not feeling JRod as Lambert's all-around play and free kicks makes him the better bet for me.
    * Dzeko - recent bandwagon I know but I think Pellegrini's comments together with his low cost and their good fixtures & his goalscoring record mean this is a sensible gamble. Possible benchtime means I need a good fifth mid (hence Snodgrass).
    * Lukaku - DGW. He will need to be reshuffled if Torres gets more game time than expected but for now I think he's likely to be the key Chelsea striker as Mourinho builds his team around Drogba Mark II.

    All comments welcome!

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    1. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Too early to bet the Kompany Money on City CS's

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      1. Lukakwho
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        what do you think the best alternative is? I'm not sure anyone else in their defence is nailed on and I have the cash spare & like their fixtures...

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    2. Parm
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      This is a REALLY good team, nicely balanced, no holes.

      Well done!

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    3. The Other Mark
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Possible benching problem. A lot of Snodgrass' points came away. Why not downgrade a midfielder and use the extra 2/3m to upgrade?

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      1. Freshy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Actually like the Snoddy pick if no WC GW3 is your idea

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      2. Lukakwho
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        interesting point. I remember an article about predictability of point-scoring (i.e. how often would mid-price and budget players score points in games where you would bench them). I wonder how Snoddy did in that? (can't for the life of me find it on here).

        Who would you suggest to downgrade? I'm thinking I'm going to start the other 4 in every game until its obvious one or more is out of form...

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        1. Freshy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Somebody's gonna get hurt, somebody's gonna get sat, Open GWs and punts make Snoddy a good pick

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    4. In Tommy We Trust
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I can't get on board with the cheapness of the front three but generally there's good ideas in this squad. Like it as a whole.

      What's the RVP plan?

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Oh and nice first post

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        1. Lukakwho
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Thanks! RVP plan for GW4 is something along the lines of Cole to Koscielny (+1m), Hazard to Thomas (+5m), Lukaku to RVP. At that point I'm hoping the costs balance out but I think its slightly too far away to plan rigidly for.

          I guess the important thing is that I can make it work if I must and I have the flexibility to make it Walcott or Coutinho out (instead of hazard) and then coleman in instead of Koscielny if needs be...

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          1. In Tommy We Trust
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            so every transfer till GW4 will be to get RVP in? sounds risky to me

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    5. CoolBeans
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Close to my team. Looks good mate!

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    6. toffeegod
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      why does everyone think lukaku will play and score in front of torres or d.ba?

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      1. Jairzinho
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        because he's better

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  6. arcticjunkie1
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts on this effort?

    Foster
    Mertesacker Coleman Cole
    Paulinho Hazard Walcott Coutinho
    Dzeko Benteke Lukaku

    Boruc Collins Chester Thomas

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    1. FF Dirtbag
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I like it but that is a lot of money in the defence I think!

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      1. arcticjunkie1
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        I agree

        Coleman > Turner (Norwich)
        Paulinho > Mirallas

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    2. Woy of the Wovers
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Too many "k's" in that forward line.

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  7. LewanGOALski
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    With no Bale and Dzeko for Aguero in my team, I may have a couple of millions in the bank when the game starts...

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  8. Freshy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Spending 85M on Bale is not alot of money to spend
    for a corporation that is a worldwide brand.
    Since players are 95% of the value going forward,
    your spending on what the essence of your corporation is.
    If Bale breaks his leg and never plays again is the risk
    and Im sure they have insurance to cover that loss.

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    1. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      How can they possibly recoup £85m? If it's being run as a business, the numbers don't work.

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      1. Freshy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        The value is in the product they put on the field.
        Sponsors will pay, Supporters will pay, Owners will pay

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    2. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Don't worry the people will pay for the bankers mistakes It's called austerity.

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  9. Optimus.
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Dzeko scored a brace today and everybody has forgotten its National Orgasm Day 🙂

    i bet Ronh knows and his alarm clock looks like a plasters radio 😉

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    1. Michaelangelo
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      national orgasm day? thought that might have been the day when Torres scored that goal. Gary was losing control

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    2. Chris_White
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      😀

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  10. Liastro ⭐️
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Been away for a while so would love some thoughts.

    Vorm - Boruc

    Koscielny - Kaboul - Coleman - Turner M - Turner B

    Bale - Hazard - Walcott - Snodgrass - Thomas

    Dzeko - Lukaku - Sturridge

    Thanks

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    1. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Baaadonde!!!

      decent is Studge is fit

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      1. Liastro ⭐️
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Bello! Cheers!

        How's your effort looking?

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        1. Optimus.
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Baaamazing

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          1. Liastro ⭐️
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Mind sharing? 😉

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    2. The Shadow
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Looks like the team you posted twenty minutes ago. What changed?

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      1. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        He hasn't even warmed up yet, King of the RMT 🙂

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    3. Tatty Bojangles
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Ben Turner probably bench fodder now that Caulker has signed.

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    4. simsey
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Bale will be sold, Sturridge is injured and Cardiff signed Caulker which screws Turner....

      Good diff in Dzeko though, I like that. Went with Lambert myself but Dzeko is one to watch for sure

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  11. Podge
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Chelsea def Chester/Parr 3 others (probably including Mert or Toure)
    Hazard Cout Wally Snod other
    Dzeko Lukaku other.

    So 5 differences between all our teams
    Somewhat boring no ?

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    1. Twelve years a slave
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Minelooking very different to that , but my team now officially under wraps , cant have everyone copying 😀

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        I'm guessing at a front line of RVP/Kun - Dzeko - Aspas 🙂

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    2. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I have just 2 of those, Hazard and Lukaku. There's plenty of choice to be had.

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      1. Twelve years a slave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Come on Podge , that team so yesterday

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      2. Podge
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Heya. Any chance of an early preseason scoutcast to discuss the goings on ?
        Great to see the difference between now and starting day.
        Pleeeeezz 🙂

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        1. Granville
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          First podcast will be August 14th or 15th. it's too sunny and I have way too much gardening to do before then. That apart, my game is due out on September 3rd and I'm up to my eyes in work.

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          1. Chris_White
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Gardening?

            I thought you had a wife... 😉

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          2. Podge
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Aww 🙁
            You make games ! Lucky beggar, thats my dream job.
            *excludes the reality of working in a games company 🙂

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          3. Freshy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Waiting to talk about something that will be recorded till all the facts are in.
            Not your first rodeo ehh

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          4. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            While you're pruning your roses try not to talk over Mark when he's making a point.

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  12. DelPuich
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    way too many overpriced players this year. 9.0 for a player like navas who rarely scores is ridiculous

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    1. Twelve years a slave
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      He looked good today , could be gaining plenty of assists

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    2. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      It is when Silva is also 9m

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      1. Freshy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Silva ran the show when he was in today

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        1. Granville
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          tbh I wouldn't read anything into pre-season, particularly a game like that where defenders were strolling about. Regardless of that, Silva can be a class act.

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          1. Freshy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Think you should read in that MC and MU might be a little leaky at the back early

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            1. Granville
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 14 Years
              10 years, 8 months ago

              They will be. City were leaky at the start of last season too.

              I still think United and City will contest the league. I'm not convinced that Chelsea can bridge the gap this season.

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              1. DelPuich
                • 11 Years
                10 years, 8 months ago

                player for player chelsea is better than manu. the only difference was the coach and now chelsea have the advantage

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                1. Granville
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 14 Years
                  10 years, 8 months ago

                  I simply don't believe that's true and even it it were, the United squad know how to accrue points over the whole season. They wont be far off 90 points again.

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                  1. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
                    • 11 Years
                    10 years, 8 months ago

                    Your transitional period will not see you challenge this year. imo

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          2. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            I think the latter pre-season games are crucial as they have shown in the past to be a good reflection on how the manager is going to construct his team.

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    3. Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I think Pelle's new system complements Nevas perfectly.

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      1. DelPuich
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        a new system will not turn someone into a goal scorer. he is a pure winger who crosses the ball in

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        1. Granville
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Navas will never score goals. City will need to score lots of goals if his assists are to count for anything.

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          1. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Navas will never score goals think I'll mark this.

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        2. MTC
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          which is why Dzeko / Negredo will bang them in by the shed load this season.

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      2. Podge
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        You spelled Kolarov wrong 🙂

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  13. LewanGOALski
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Migs - Boruc
    Luiz - Mert - TurnerM - Collins - TurnerB
    Haz - Wally - Coutinho - Mirallas - Thomas
    Dzeko - Lukaku - Giroud

    1M in the bank

    and damn, I like it so much 😀

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    1. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      really like it..1m in bank to upgrade Lukaku to Sturridge 🙂

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      1. LewanGOALski
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        exaclement 🙂

        and another plan is Luiz to Coleman probably, so another money saved 😉

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    2. Lucy.
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Almost the same as mine. Like 😀

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  14. Shipstontrev
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Are Real Madrid exempt from Financial Fair Play regulations? Something just doesn't add up here. Stillni Bale would mean I can afford RVP, so I"m not complaining.

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    1. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      oh dear here comes the old folks 🙂 😉

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      1. Shipstontrev
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks for that:wink:

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        1. Optimus.
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          😀

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    2. DelPuich
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      you are allowed to spend whatever you bring in and since they bring in hundreds of millions a year they are fine under the rules

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      1. Granville
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        In the meantime they've accrued a debt of 800 million euros through overspending. FFP will eventually reign them in.

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        1. Shipstontrev
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          I'd like to believe that,

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    3. simsey
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      They negotiate their own TV deals and dont have the Glazers (using United as an example) using club revenue to pay back 50-80m in interest every year.
      If United negotiated their own TV deals and didnt have these interest payments theyd be 150m better off a season.
      Chelsea, City etc would be better off by 50-100m if they could negotiate their own TV deals too but the PL deal is negotiated at league level so the small clubs get more than a pittance from the revenue and it keeps the gap a bit smaller.
      Thats the main difference between them and Real although the incomes are similar....

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      1. Freshy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Back in the 70's in American baseball the Yankees made more on their radio contract than 3/4 of the other teams made overall

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        1. simsey
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Holy $h!t, now thats what you call disproportionate.

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  15. simsey
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    took the hatchet to my team again after reading the BP effect posted by Turd earlier
    Am pretty certain this is it for GW1

    Mannone Boruc
    Baines Luiz Mertesacker (STaylor Gabbidon)
    Cazorla Hazard Silva Kagawa (Thomas)
    Lukaku Lambert Bent

    What say ye?

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    1. Podge
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Mammy thats a lot in defence !
      I do think Baines could be a great differential here though

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      1. simsey
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        I think it'll work with Luiz for the dgw and Baines for the attacking threat etc. I see him as Snodgrass with clean sheets on top for 1m more...
        Luiz will prob go for a 4.5 in time for me to get Suarez. Hopefully I'll know by GW6 who else to chop to get him in...

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        1. Podge
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Yep I may do something similar, had my mind set on Vertonghen and then...

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    2. Woy of the Wovers
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      So what conclusions did you take from the earlier post?

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      1. simsey
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Pass completion matters a lot more than before as do key passes and chances created.
        Mert, Luiz and Baines score better here than Johnson, Zab and Ivanovic who I had before hand

        In MF i went for caz over Walcott as (assuming similar returns to last year) Walcott is gonna lose BP and Cazorla will definitely gain which is a min 20pt swing for me.
        Also went Kagawa over Coutinho although this was for the money as I was viewing that one 50/50.
        Bent was one of the fwds to come out 7pts better off too and he only played 1800 mins scoring 9 goals in 2011-12. If he gets that move to fulham i see 15 goals again with Berbatov helping him out so I brought him in for Weimann.
        Might still bring in Weimann for the DGW and then go bent in GW2....will see
        Those were my thoughts anyway, yourself?
        Did it prompt you to think differently?

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        1. Dino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Go bent gw2 teehee

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          1. simsey
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Go F yourself San Diego 🙂

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  16. DelPuich
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    ive seen people here with paulinho on their team and i dont understand why. he is soley a defensive mid who is a card machine and way overpriced at 7

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    1. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      call that poster out?

      Go Rickie Go Rickie

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    2. LewanGOALski
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      agree 100%, especially that for just 0.5 more you can have Dempsey!

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      1. Lucy.
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Yeah I don't get the Paulinho hype. Chadli seems a better new player Spurs punt but even that doesn't seem so smart.

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  17. Lucy.
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts people?

    Migs - (Boruc)
    Mertesacker - Coleman - Collins - (M. Turner) - (4.0 - does Caulker ruin B. Turner?)
    Hazard - Walcott - Coutinho - Mirallas - (Lallana - not sure but heard doubts about Jarvis)
    Lukaku - Giroud - Dzeko-wagon

    1.5 spare to squeeze Soldado in...
    Thanks! 😀

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  18. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Every ones team are looking so similar now. Gotta laugh.

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      1. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        :):

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  19. Noisy Neighbour
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    I've had Walcott in every team I've put together so far, and that will likely not change, but I must admit to being a little wary of early season rotation with Arsenal having those Champions League matches after GW's 1 and 2. Much ado about nothing, or should I be legitimately concerned?

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    1. The Shadow
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Not enough depth on the Arsenal bench at the moment to worry about rotation.

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      1. Noisy Neighbour
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        I guess you're probably right. If Theo comes off early, it would probably be because the match is well in hand, in which case there's a good chance he would have already gotten his points anyway.

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        1. The Shadow
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          If he comes off early it'll most likely be due to injury, but that's part of life with Theo.

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          1. Noisy Neighbour
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Ha! Nice one.

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    2. Shipstontrev
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      He might bench Walcott for the CL qualifiers instead,

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      1. Noisy Neighbour
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        I'd be very surprised by that. Since getting into the Champions League is Arsenal's "trophy", Arsene Wenger won't take any chances on their run ending in August.

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  20. Call Me Old Fashioned
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Ignoring all this speculation on Bale and not tinkered for few days, now to work out a team name...

    this is harder than I thought

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    1. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Dobbie does Palace

      😎

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      1. Call Me Old Fashioned
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        got two puns on Bony

        'Bony and Clyne' and 'My Bony Wolfswinkel' (I saw In Tommy We Trust post second one)

        but think I will steal one from the internet

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    2. Tatty Bojangles
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      This Is Harder Than I Thought FC

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    3. Shipstontrev
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Max 20 Characters

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    4. EoinM
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Sparka Fag fc :L

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    5. Matt
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Dobbie's Not Dead!

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  21. onionbarje
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Just because Pell said Dzeko is his first choice striker doesn't mean he will play every match. It just means he is his preferred choice but he will be rotated most likely against lesser teams in the BPL and cup tournaments for bigger matches in the BPL and UCL. Secondly Pell signed Negredo and Jovetic for a reason. Neither of those players would have moved without insurances that they would play. With that in mind i do think Dzeko will be rotated, but maybe not as much as the other strikers as he is Pell's preferred striker.

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    1. Tatty Bojangles
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      He will rotate with Negredo for sure but worth a punt for the first few weeks.

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  22. Baines on Toast...
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    If RVP leaves.

    Mig (Lewis)

    Cole - Mert - Collins (Clyne, Ramage)

    Hazard - Walcott - Silva - Jarvis (Quinn)

    RVP - Lukaku - Anelka

    Good night.

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    1. Baines on Toast...
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      bale, I mean. obviously.

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  23. Jaswarbrick
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    I can't be the only one thinking that now that Norwich have signed not one but TWO strikers, that kind of makes Snodgrass' appeal somewhat 'redundant'.

    His value came last season from playing in the hole, and lot's of people are banking on that this season, and at 6.5 would be great value if in the hole.

    But with Norwich signing 2 strikers, surely he will now have a deep role, and yes with free kicks in his locker he could still be somewhat attractive.

    But surely no more now than a deep lying, attack minded midfielder, and at 6.5 doesn't quite have the same appeal if he won't be in the hole?

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    1. Lucy.
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Agreed. I dropped him when they signed Hooper.

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    2. Baines on Toast...
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      RVW on the wing i hear

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    3. In Tommy We Trust
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Yep. Still value in him but not Aldi value anymore 😉

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      1. Jaswarbrick
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Haha 😉

        Supermarket of the year apparantly :p

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    4. The Shadow
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I didn't see a lot of Norwich games last year but in those I did, Snodgrass was out wide not on the hole. If I were Norwich I leave him on the free kicks despite any new signings.

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    5. Demí
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      He plays alot on the wing too. On the flip side, he now has better strikers so could get more assists, and he may be on pens, although RvW is probably favourite for them.

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    6. Chris_White
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I thought he played RW last season? At least the games I saw he did

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      1. Chris_White
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        or LW

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      2. Demí
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        That's right. http://www.whoscored.com/Players/9767

        He played the majority out wide, rarely in a deep restricted midfield role if at all.

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      3. Jaswarbrick
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        You guys are think I right.

        I'm not sure where I got him playing in the hole from, maybe some talk around the boards?

        Given that RVW and Hooper playing as a front 2, this would now STRENGTHEN Snodgrass' appeal, maybe not weaken it?

        It's interesting

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    7. Crouch Potato!
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Snodgrass will never be deployed in a deep role. In actual fact his has far more appeal to me if Norwich were to opt for 2up to. He is a very decent attacker, watched him a lot in his championship days. Will improve I reckon from a season's experience in the PL, and if Norwich adopt a more attacking approach, he should surpass last seasons points tally.

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  24. P&F
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    What was city formation tonight? 4-2-2-2?

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    1. Podge
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      It was sorta 2-2-6 in the first half 🙂

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      1. P&F
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        What I'm really asking was silva playing wide?

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        1. Podge
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Honestly I only got to see bits and pieces of it in work hopefully someone else will give u a proper answer. I'm sure there will be an article tomorrow anyway.

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          1. P&F
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            No worries I appreciated the response

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            1. Mr.Helmut
              • 10 Years
              10 years, 8 months ago

              I saw the game, they started off playing 3-4-3 with silva out wide on the left of the 3 guys upfront

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  25. DelPuich
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    not sure about having both giroud and walcott on my team. especially because arsenal has made a habit of starting seasons poorly

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  26. EoinM
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    A quick poll
    A) Wally
    B) Coutinho
    C) Silva

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    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I have them all atm but Wally and Coutinho are not negotiable imo. If I had to chose I'd say both 🙂

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      1. EoinM
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Lots of detail but no solution..Thanks anyway 😉

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        1. Wild Rover
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Go on then... Coutinho

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    2. Chris_White
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Walcott

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    3. Noisy Neighbour
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I say Walcott and then a coin flip if you're getting one of the other two.

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      1. EoinM
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Alright..Thanks alot fella's..Have made a decision but it won't be disclosed on such a public forum 😛

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    4. Sánchez
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      That order.

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  27. Wild Rover
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Repost..

    Will Yaya or Fernandinho offer the better attacking threat, ie play most forward when City need a goal?

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    1. EoinM
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Yaya

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    2. King Eric, in America
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I'd punt on Yaya just based on past precedent.

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      1. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        This is what I was thinking but there is no precedent with Fernandinho and I know little about him..

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    3. Chris_White
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Yaya would be my guess, although Fernandinho is quality going forward as well.

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    4. Matt
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      if City are struggling for a goal with the amount of forwards they have, something's wrong

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  28. EoinM
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Has kaboul been starting tottenham's pre season games?

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    1. Chris_White
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Not yet

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  29. simsey
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    I reckon he'll be played on the wing and be pushing past Hooper when he drops deep, which he likes to do.
    With crosses, Corners, freekicks and allround attacking threat 6.5 is probably just right.
    He may get an extra 5-6 assists if these lads put the ball away cos his service is pretty good...

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    1. The Shadow
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I'm not writing Snodgrass off yet.

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  30. tsiailis01
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    boruc steklenburg
    coleman toure collins baker clyne
    walcott mirallas snodgrass hazard koren
    van persie lukaku dzeko

    whats ever1 think?

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    1. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      http://i.imgur.com/7ozTU.gif

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      1. Chris_White
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Good team, I'd go Foster over Stekelenburg though

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        1. tsiailis01
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          yeh ur probably right

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    2. Lucy.
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Nice. I like lots.

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