The Dugout Discussion – Monday

Nine down, one to go as Swansea welcome Hull to the Liberty and hand us some Monday night football to sink our teeth into. Michael Laudrup’s side have offered Fantasy managers a strong source of points at both ends of the pitch in front of their own fans – three of the last four home games have produced a clean sheet and three goals or more for the Welsh outfit:

Jonjo Shelvey’s 14-point haul in the previous Gameweek saw the former Liverpool man earn himself over 161,000 new owners prior to the weekend deadline, though with Curtis Davies back on board after serving a one-match suspension, the Tigers will be hoping to turn in a resilient display.

The big news is that Michu is fit and available to lead the line for the hosts after recovering from ankle and knee problems. He replaces Alvaro Vazquez up top in one of three changes by Laudrup, as Gerhard Tremmel and Nathan Dyer come in for Michel Vorm and Alex Pozuelo. Robbie Brady drops out for the Tigers after a series of disappointing displays since returning from injury.

As always, our Dugout Discussion chatroom remains open right through to the final whistle.

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Twelve years a slave
10 years, 4 months ago
Have a new toy (iPad air)

Any recommendations for good football apps?
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1. Crash
  10 years, 4 months ago
  FIFA 14 😛
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2. UnitednationsXI
  10 years, 4 months ago
  am looking for a new tablet....ipad air the best out there?
  
  was also looking at the nexus or galaxy tab....both cheaper.....currently own the Samsung S4 phone
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3. Porkmeat
  10 years, 4 months ago
  triggerlips, fourfourtwo statszone
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Alonso The Great Midfielder
10 years, 4 months ago
repost

szcheny-gazzaniga

distin-terry-ward-burner-debuchy

hzard-oviedo-bannnan-ramsey-lalana

lukaku-suarez-aguero

1)oviedo is a punt for 2,3 match

2) really cant decide between foward, think want to sub rooney for aguero or lukaku
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Disco Stu
10 years, 4 months ago
Is Howard, Oviedo, Barkley and Lukaku too much Everton this week?
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1. Alonso The Great Midfielder
  10 years, 4 months ago
  4 eve? i dont know we can do that
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  1. Disco Stu
    10 years, 4 months ago
    In the game played over here in the States, we have no limit on the number from one team, and Oviedo qualifies as Defenseman here
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    1. Whistle
      10 years, 4 months ago
      'defenseman'.... get out.
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2. Nice to Michu
  10 years, 4 months ago
  yup, precisely 1 too much
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MaRooney 5
10 years, 4 months ago
would you do Zaba > Coleman
I have Panti as GK
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Elniñorules
10 years, 4 months ago
Super Oscar

Any signings you'd make in Jan?
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1. SuperOsçarBaby
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Sergio Ramos
  Falcao
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  1. Elniñorules
    10 years, 4 months ago
    You think Falcao will move again from Monaco?
    
    Why Ramos?
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    1. SuperOsçarBaby
      10 years, 4 months ago
      ramos is available in transfer window I think, mourinho connection
      Partnering with jt
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Zep
10 years, 4 months ago
Which moves do you prefer?

A - Long & Gerrard > Lukaku & 8.6m mid
B - Long & Gerrard > Rooney & 5.9m mid
C - Long & Brady > Lukaku & Redmond
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1. MaRooney 5
  10 years, 4 months ago
  A
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  1. Crash
    10 years, 4 months ago
    There are no decent 8.6 Mids. I suggest go for optima b.
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2. Alonso The Great Midfielder
  10 years, 4 months ago
  im on wc..still stuck whether to go for rooney or lukaku
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  1. Reeker
    10 years, 4 months ago
    If you're happy with the rest of your squad pic Rooney if not pick Lukaku
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3. tm245
  10 years, 4 months ago
  A gets you Coutinho or Michu.
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4. Najoman86
  10 years, 4 months ago
  2FTs?
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  1. Najoman86
    10 years, 4 months ago
    If you have 2FTs:
    
    A Long/Gerard > Lukaku & Coutihno?
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5. Reeker
  10 years, 4 months ago
  A
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6. NATSTER
  10 years, 4 months ago
  I guess you already have Hazard and Suarez.
  
  B as none of 8.6m are interesting yet.
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chunk
10 years, 4 months ago
64 points happy with taking -4 to get Suarez and (C) him
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1. TorresMagic™
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Why did you wait so long?
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Strificus
10 years, 4 months ago
Would anyone consider this when captaining Suarez?

Suarez has been a lot more impressive at home. He has disappointed lately on the road.

Last 3 Home: 55 points
Last 3 Away: 13 points
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1. Tribecca
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Yep....thinking of hazard (c) but his Suarez form has been amazing
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2. SamH123
  10 years, 4 months ago
  I'm definitely not going Suarez (c)
  Liverpool didn't create much with Gerrard versus Hull away, let alone Tottenham without Gerrard away
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  1. Canadian Football
    10 years, 4 months ago
    but Suarez now on penos and all spot kicks.
    
    If deviate from Suarez/Kun.....i reckon the best choice is Lukkaku!!!!
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VICTORIOUS SECRET! !
10 years, 4 months ago
Need some serious suggestions guys

Olready on -4 to get in lukaku and distin
But rumours suggest that s. Gerrard is unfit

My team

Mignolet

Distin / baker / clyne / koscienly / chester

Ozil / Ramsey / Gerrard / cowie / lampard

Lukaku / suarez / aguero

With 1.1 in the bank Nd 0 ft
What can be done with this lot
Cheers
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1. tm245
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Hazard gives you a monster front 7 this week.
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  1. VICTORIOUS SECRET! !
    10 years, 4 months ago
    Was thinking the same
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Trading Bear
10 years, 4 months ago
Norwich FPL update

Lots of people looking at the Redmond / Fer debate, having watched them for every minute, here's a mini-guide for those perhaps wondering which one to get.

Fer is a natural box-to-box midfielder, but plays best in a slightly advanced position. Unfortunately due to the injury to Tettey (DM), Fer had to play further back in a 4-4-2 variation. Bradley Johnson has since been re-introduced allowing Fer to get further forward. He has a great engine, explaining why his goals recently have come 80+mins into the game, driving forward, catching teams on the break. He's great in the air and can strike a ball well. However, Hughton looks to be playing 4-4-2 at home against the 'lesser' sides, meaning a 5-10 yard drop back in play for Fer.

Redmond is a live-wire, extremely fast, ghosts pasts people and has already created a lot of chances. However, like all pacy, young wingers, he sometimes suffers from poor-decision making and wayward shots. The injuries to Pilkington and Snodgrass has resulted in a guaranteed place for Redmond as well as corner and free-kick duties. With the majority of our goals coming from set-pieces and counter-attacks, if we score, there's a big chance Redmond would have played a part.

Fer = 5.8
Redmond = 4.6

Fer perhaps has the bigger goal threat, but I just don't feel this is worth the 1.2m premium. For the next 4 weeks atleast, Redmond is a cracking option for the 5th midfielder berth. Redmond edges it, just.
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1. NATSTER
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Thanks Hooperman. Good analysis of the pair.
  
  I didn't have much chance to watch Norwich live. Fer is in my memory a bit more than Redmond. It's probably because of his latest goal.
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2. The Hound
  10 years, 4 months ago
  But if uve got the money going spare fer is the better option. Thinking of bringing him in. Lovely fixtures.
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3. beric
  10 years, 4 months ago
  great post, confirmed what I'd been thinking (without watching anything other than highlights). hope you're enjoying Redmond, I used to love watching him play at St. Andrews
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4. Goaldigger
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Thanks for this!
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5. Gianluca Busio's Hair …
  10 years, 4 months ago
  cheers hooperman. are both nailed on, even with the eventual return of pilk & snoddy? i know both are out for a while, but dont know how long. im on WC and looking at Fer (he's in my team currently)
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craggsy14
10 years, 4 months ago
Mignolet and Barkely > Howard and Redmond for -4?

Already have Coleman and Lukaku so need to lose Barkley to get Howard
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Koflok
10 years, 4 months ago
Next week onwards
A) Ravel + Jedinak on bench +8
B) Redmond + Jedinak on bench +4
C) Redmond + Ravel on bench
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The Regular
10 years, 4 months ago
Does anyone know of a twitter account that posts #fpl price changes daily?

It used to be @Fplpricechanges but that account doesn't do it anymore.

It used to be fantastic getting an easy to read list via twitter that came through as a notification on my smart phone.
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1. Desertbug
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Not aware of one, but why don't you just bookmark totalfpl on your browser and check it that way. It's nice to know what is about to happen before it happens, in case you were thinking about making a move but don't want to miss the 0.1 price shift.
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Moorinho
10 years, 4 months ago
Hello.

Myhill | Gazza
JT | Jags | Coleman | Shaw | Gabbidon
Ramsey | Hazard | Yaya | Mutch | GERRARD
Aguero | Suarez| Lukaku

1.0 m in bank.

Need to get Gerrard out. Walcott and Silva seem the only decent replacements as Ozil is too far.

Should I wait and see if Silva gets 90 in midweek? As that would mean he'd be rested later. Or is there any other mid I have missed out on?
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1. Desertbug
  10 years, 4 months ago
  I'd opt for Silva betwixt the two.
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  1. Moorinho
    10 years, 4 months ago
    I'm thinking the same and the upgrade Toure to Ozil after GW18.
    
    Until then, City have decent fixtures home and away, so wouldn't mind having an overdose there.
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    1. Desertbug
      10 years, 4 months ago
      Yeah, agreed,
      
      also..., I think people might be getting tired of me pointing it out here, (or they might not have noticed), but Walcott's injury (abdominal wall hernia) is of a type that is notorious for recurrence and rarely heals up really well until PROLONGED rest. Makes me really nervous about committing to him as a foundation of my team
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      1. Moorinho
        10 years, 4 months ago
        And they have way too many options for the three behind Giroud. And Ox and Podolski will come back soon enough.
        
        Walcott is not nailed on anymore.
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        Desertbug
        10 years, 4 months ago
        Agreed.
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Desertbug
10 years, 4 months ago
Any reasons to be put off of Michael Turner?

Need to add a defender now that Chico got suspended. Was planning on moving him out soon anyway, but was going to let him play one more week. Now my backline options are:

Evans (avl), BTurner (WBA), Vlaar (MUN) -- but injured, Ward (che) -- don't want him to get anywhere near the field, and Chico (suspended)
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1. Reeker
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Think you need an Everton defender bud
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  1. Desertbug
    10 years, 4 months ago
    Have Howard, Lukaku, and Oviedo (yeah he's ROOP, but nailed on for time at 4.4)
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    1. Desertbug
      10 years, 4 months ago
      And more guaranteed for at least appearance time than my former fifth mid (Januzaj)
      
      FWIW, here's the whole squad, although you don't need it to answer the original question
      
      Howard/Mignolet (planning to swap the two for home fixtures through the Jan window and then go back to one starter and a 4.0 backup)
      
      Defense as above (currently)
      Evans/Vlaar/Burner/Ward/Chico
      Ozil/Hazard/Ramsey/Cabaye/Oviedo
      Rooney/Suarez/Lukaku
      
      82 points this week took me up to 78K overall, finally cracked top 100K and feeling in a groove with 8 straight weeks over 60 points.
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2. Tabone
  10 years, 4 months ago
  straight swap for distin maybe? not much puts me off turner except for the lack of points
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3. Nice to Michu
  10 years, 4 months ago
  he's on 4 yellows
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  1. Desertbug
    10 years, 4 months ago
    Noticed that, but Chico is on five :), yeah, I realize I could lose him the very first week after I bring him in, but thought that Norwich had a fairly favorable streak coming up.
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    1. Nice to Michu
      10 years, 4 months ago
      could also look at M.Olsson for NOR defence. cheaper and not under suspension risk
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      1. Desertbug
        10 years, 4 months ago
        True. Guess I've just mainly been looking to center backs if points were similar, because of the greater chance that they stumble into some BAP if they get a cleanie. Can't confirm right now, because FPL site is so wonky, but I think when I sort them by BPS (as opposed to actual Bonus), there was a fair difference between them, but I may be overemphasizing this issue.
        
        It did lead me to go with Ward as my Palace defender though.... 🙂
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UnitednationsXI
10 years, 4 months ago
Have 3 big hitters in def in vidic/mert/dawson.....2 cheapies in burner and olson

planning to downgrade one of the big hitters to ward and upgrade boruc > howard...So who should i downgrade:

A: vidic...good fixtures but with utd, that doesnt really count..
B: mert...great form, but tough fixtures
C: dawson...good value, nailed on i reckon especially since vertonghen is injured..decent fix

surely remove vidic right?
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1. The Regular
  10 years, 4 months ago
  vidic to coleman
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Tabone
10 years, 4 months ago
A friend who is casual enough to not realise everyone gets another wildcard in Jan, Wildcarded lol. and has taken a very different approach.. interested in what everyone thinks about his new team?

Howard (3.9)
Terry Koscielny Clyne (ward Chester)
Coutinho Michu Silva Hazard Walcott
Aguero Suarez (chamahk)

Keep in mind.. he is someone that forgets to do his transfers every now and then.. im actually thinking this is a great team
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Moorinho
10 years, 4 months ago
Also, since everyone is putting up some informative posts, I'd been looking at which teams usually have blanks home and away as it helps in picking defense.

Here is the list until this GW:
Arsenal: 1 (No blanks at home) || (1 blank away United)

Aston Villa: 7 (Liverpool, Tottenham, Everton, Sunderland) || (Hull, West Ham, Fulham)

Cardiff: 8 (Everton, Tottenham, Arsenal) || (West Ham, Norwich, Aston Villa, Stoke, Crystal Palace)

Crystal Palace: 8 (Tottenham, Swansea, Arsenal, Everton) || (United, Southampton, West Brom, Norwich)

Chelsea 3: (No blanks at home) || (United, Everton, Newcastle)

Everton 4: (West Brom, Tottenham) || (Cardiff, Crystal Palace)

Fulham: 5 (No blanks at home) || (Newcastle, Chelsea, Southampton, Liverpool, West Ham)

Hull: 6 (Aston Villa, Crystal Palace) || (Chelsea, City, Tottenham, Arsenal)

Liverpool: 2 (Southamton) || (Arsenal)

Manchester City: 2 (No blanks at home) || (Stoke, Sunderland)

These are the first ten teams. Interesting things from these are that Fulham, even after being whipping boys do not blank at home but have away day blues.

Also, City and Arsenal, Chelsea also do not blank at home EVER. Villa are worse off at home in terms of scoring. Hull on the other hand have blanked against all the big boys but score against others (including Swansea).

Lemme know if this is in any way useful, otherwise it would be pointless to do part II 😛
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Canadian Football
10 years, 4 months ago
This season, we need a healthy DGW to shake the game up. Would love to see one in January with a team like MCI/ARS/LIV/CHE/MANU.

Last season, it seemed like there was one every month. Hoping one comes soon!
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1. Moorinho
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Usually DGW's only happen due to postponement due to snow etc right?
  
  Are there any teams whose matches usually get postponed?
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  1. The Hound
    10 years, 4 months ago
    If not snow there will at least be fa cup dgw's later on.
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2. OShaughnessy
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Hey CF, I'm from TO how bout you?
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FionnMac
10 years, 4 months ago
Pick 2 to play and first sub from -

Evans (AVL away)
Lallana (NEW away)
Bannan (CHE away)
Chester (STK home)
Turner (WBA home)

Cheers
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1. Canadian Football
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Play Jevans/Lallana
  
  first sub Turner
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  1. Moorinho
    10 years, 4 months ago
    Evans/Lallana.
    
    if punty, play Bannan, Chelsea have been really suspect from set pieces recently.
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  2. FionnMac
    10 years, 4 months ago
    Heh not sure why i included bannan in that. Thanks
    
    Kind of annoying that you can't play either of your 2 cheap defenders when they face WBA and Stoke at home!
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    1. Moorinho
      10 years, 4 months ago
      West Brom will likely score after last weeks display where they missed too many chances.
      
      Stoke defenders are overpriced now.
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      1. FionnMac
        10 years, 4 months ago
        Gecko,
        
        Your point seems irrational to me. They may or may not be likely to score, but the fact they missed too many chances last week doesn't mean they are more likely to score this week, you could argue the opposite is true if anything.
        
        Re: stoke defenders...I haven't actually got any lol. I have Chester for Hull who face Stoke at home.
        
        Having said that I agree with your ranking of the 5 😀
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        Moorinho
        10 years, 4 months ago
        West Btom are actually decent away from home (only blanked twice and one of them was Everton). Norwich are really leaky.
        
        From the games I've seen of Brom, they create chances, just that they failed to score last week. Not a good chance that'll happen two weeks in a row.
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        FionnMac
        10 years, 4 months ago
        Yeah, not disputing that, I've watched very few WBA games in full this season so you know a lot more than than me by the sounds of things.
        
        Just picking you up on the logical fallacy in your reasoning. 🙂
        
        "Not a good chance that'll happen two weeks in a row"
        
        If you think about it, since the first event (not scoring last week) has already happened, it does not factor into the chance of the second hypothetical event happening (them not scoring again this week)
        
        Soz mate, I get pedantic about this sort of thing!
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ratchet
10 years, 4 months ago
Thoughts on Mirralas this week?
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1. Nice to Michu
  10 years, 4 months ago
  would be worried about Deulofeu getting a start and Mirallas warming the bench
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Acquafresca
10 years, 4 months ago
What a shit season so far 😛

What do I do with this team?

Pants Davis
GJ Dawson Williams Clyne(!) Burner
Hazard Coutinho Ramsey Ravel Bannan
Suarez Aguero Rooney

1FT, 1.2 banked.

Willing to take a hit.
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1. Desertbug
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Bring Cabaye in to midfield? He's done wonders for me since I got him a while back. Delivers nice corners and so much of Newcastle's attack has run through him of late. More nailed on for time than Ravel. Suspended for the next game, obviously, so it's a play for the longer run.
  
  In short term, could pick up a bit more money in short term by bringing in Oviedo for a 5th midfielder. Yes he is reverse out of position so you won't get the full points for clean sheets and you get shorted a bit if he scores, but if you look at him instead as being 4.4 and nailed on for time until Baines gets back and playing for a team that has a bunch of winnable fixtures coming up, he's a pretty appealing option. Don't think you will find better at 4.4 for a fifth midfielder
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2. Nice to Finally Michu
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Dawson, pantamillon and GJ have to go, GJ >Jagielka for free and if you dont mind taking a hit consider Pants > DDG or Dawson > Coleman/Distin for a double up
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3. Always (C)ane
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Pants -> howard
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4. LWO23
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Standard suggestion, but Everton defensive cover.
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5. Moorinho
  10 years, 4 months ago
  We have the same number of points!
  1. Clyne will probably be fit by next week.
  2. Get GJ out for anyone. Liverpool don't do clean sheets. Recently even Spurs have stopped.
  3. Coutinho is a waste of 8.5. Transfer him out for Silva whenever he comes in.
  4. Williams has bad fixtures after next week. Sell him then.
  
  No other problems as such. The frontline is immense.
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6. nevercaptorres
  10 years, 4 months ago
  gj to coleman
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GTS
10 years, 4 months ago
which everton is better to have?
a) Howard
b) Jags/Distin
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1. Nice to Finally Michu
  10 years, 4 months ago
  A
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2. Desertbug
  10 years, 4 months ago
  All of your Everton is belong to me.... 🙂
  
  Howard, I'd guess, but you might want to make sure you have a capable replacement on hand for the week when he gets his fifth yellow. He's prone to picking one up for wasting time at the end of a match. He does it at international level as well. It's intentional and fairly well-controlled, it seems, but I could see him doing it again in advance of one of their more winnable fixtures, just to get the suspension out of the way.
  
  Don't think you'd go wrong doubling up on defense, though, even though Martinez has had naysayers about his defense from the start of the season.
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  1. GTS
    10 years, 4 months ago
    got coleman since gW4 so was thinking a double up as well.
    Got Marshall as my back up with migs as my first choice since GW1.
    
    Thanks desertbug! 🙂
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    1. Desertbug
      10 years, 4 months ago
      Good luck!
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      1. GTS
        10 years, 4 months ago
        goodluck as well!
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Nice to Finally Michu
10 years, 4 months ago
Pozuelo > Redmond for free?
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1. GTS
  10 years, 4 months ago
  as hooperman suggested, yes.
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Recoba
10 years, 4 months ago
FPL site bugging for anyone else?
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1. Acquafresca
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Me.
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  1. Recoba
    10 years, 4 months ago
    Maybe its a NA thing
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2. TorresMagic™
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Big issues.
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McNulty
10 years, 4 months ago
How many players will people have for Arsenal vs Chelsea in GW17? Lots of people have Arsenal players and some of us will be looking to take advantage of the Chelsea Palace game this week, could be an issue for the following gameweek.

I have Terry, Ivan (yep - big double up fail) as well as Ramsey and Özil. Also looking to do Coutinho to Hazard but having second thoughts now....
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1. TorresMagic™
  10 years, 4 months ago
  3 attackers.
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  1. TorresMagic™
    10 years, 4 months ago
    3 mids.
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2. Onana Whatsmyname
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Just Hazard, Terry and Koc for me.......lost Ramsey this week. That will be a very interesting game
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Always (C)ane
10 years, 4 months ago
Which one guys?

A. Play brady
B. Ozil (-4)
C. Yaya (-4)
D. Oscar (-4) double with Hazard

Need advice guys, thankss
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1. TorresMagic™
  10 years, 4 months ago
  B but then you probably have Ramsey.
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  1. Always (C)ane
    10 years, 4 months ago
    Ramsey is a must TM
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    1. TorresMagic™
      10 years, 4 months ago
      Just going along with D's theme. A is useless again.
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2. Moorinho
  10 years, 4 months ago
  No to B, C. Ozil has a few tough games, so try and get him GW18 or 19.
  
  Oscar may or may not be starting at the weekend. See if he gets a few minutes midweek or something. He's a bargain at the current price.
  
  So, wait on D. or else just do A.
  
  or go E (Silva).
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Just A Hat
10 years, 4 months ago
Oh for crying out loud - over the last month my rival has won every decision

Need a Swansea defender? I get Williams , he gets Chico

I wonder who is a better pick between Hazard and Oscar? I get Oscar, he brings in Hazard

oh palace seem to have picked up in defense! I get Moxey, he brings in Ward
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1. GTS
  10 years, 4 months ago
  pretty annoying isn't it?
  one of my ML rival covers some of my players but i'm glad he can't bring ozil and Suarez! 😀
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  1. Strificus
    10 years, 4 months ago
    I was comfortably in first; until a rival cloned my team. I then had a captaining mishap the day Suarez hit 24 points. He jumped over me.
    
    It might have been more interesting if each team was a secret... :/
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    1. Moorinho
      10 years, 4 months ago
      The only thing hidden is the transfers you make in the current week. Hiding other people's teams would take away half the fun.
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2. Moorinho
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Some people have all the luck.
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xuwei
10 years, 4 months ago
Is the FPL site acting screwy for y'all?
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1. suarrr
  10 years, 4 months ago
  yes. i cant click on any link..
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2. Moorinho
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Nah.
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3. Desertbug
  10 years, 4 months ago
  Fecked at the moment. At least from here in Arizona... don't know if it's global, but sounds like it.
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xuwei
10 years, 4 months ago
Okay thanks
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