Dugout Discussion – Arsenal vs Man City

Mind helping me above?

This is so clearly a situation where people are just bitter that their own player didn't get more points. The BPS system is working better than any previous one.

People need to take a chill pill

It's only a game

Could have headlined this "The power of the Christ" 🙂

Have you seen that fake twitter account?

If tackles are a big factor it's surprising Kante doesn't get bonus every week 🙂

No in all seriousness I like a stat based game but the FPL BPS system all seems a little off. I used to play the Metro game that was very stat based and it all seemed to relate. You could watch a game then view the points and it would all seem to reflect what actually happened. I don't get that with FPL bonus - i'm surprised by some bonus points almost every week.

In whose opinion? What constitutes a tackle and what constitutes winning one?

I'm personaly very happy with BP sysem.

Yes, things like this Kun/Navas situation are not fair imo, but at least when you start the game the rules are very clear, players get bouns pts for doing certain things on the pitch that are cleary stated in the rules.

Any other system that is not objective like man in the stand would only bring much more arguing.

So am I alone in saying i'm surprised Aguero even got one bonus point? I thought there were at least 3 more players on the pitch that performed better than him.

Navas was awful at defending, had some awful tackles as well and deservedly got a yellow card for one of them too... So is that not taken into account then? Should be won tackles minus lost/horrible tackles, or something... You cannot argue that Navas had a great game and was man of the match (which the 3 bonus kind of means) simply by stating the amount of successful tackles he made... And you cannot compare different tackles, as some are easier than others.... Navas had a lackluster game and him getting 3 bonus is beyond ridiculous...

Sanchez was better, Mustafi was better, Sane was better, Aguero was better, Monreal was better, at least...

Fair enough, but to be honest it just highlights the fact that awarding bonus is largely pointless and a highly contentious issue. Stick to awarding points for assists, goals and cleansheets etc

Seeing as thats not going to happen i think re-balancing the bps structure to perhaps lessen events such as this might be wise.

Whilst we're at it, perhaps we could look at rewarding 45 minute cleansheets. Like say 1 point for first 45 minute and 3 for the second half if kept. 🙂

Tackles shouldn't really count if your eyes are closed and facing the wrong way.

Kun owners wept, Navas is actually a very under rated player.

Just to add to this. Opta stats - used for the BPS - show Navas 9 attempted tackles, 8 successful. He also supplied 3 successful cross and 3 key passes. In short, he was a stats monster in BPS terms.

It's an outlier - if those were Bellerin's numbers, we'd be lauding him - because it's Navas, we right them off as farcical. But those stats are Opta - you can't really question them and the BPS is transparent on how those Opta numbers translate to BPS and therefore Bonus Points.

Every now and then we'll see this - a player who just delivers on the sweet spot for BPS. That doesn't mean we throw out the whole system.

For me, its better we know how Bonus is allocated so we - as more hardcore managers - can try to select to that system. If we go back to man in the stand, we're at the mercy of an individuals' view and sometimes their own favourites.

Some folk might remember that Barry Ferguson used to hoover up Bonus Points - it turned out that the man in the stand at Birmingham - who was on Press staff - was actually a distant relative and therefore was fixating on his performance week in week out. We surely don't want to go back to that.

I think the BPS can be refined further. Two things in my view - tackles are too strong and, when we get a big number, it throws out an outlier. Second, the penalty for being tackled is too strong, killing players like Costa who are losing possession purely through their role on the pitch.

Subtle changes there will correct another 25% of the outliers and then we're be a bit more content.

As Garg rightly says, above, though. We will never have a perfect system and we will always have these controversies now and again.

But I'd rather have controversy and actually understand why the bonus was awarded - which is what we have with Navas. We might not agree with the outcome of the BPS formula in this case but at least we know how it got to its conclusion. We would never have any explanation on a man in the stand judgement. For me, that would be far more frustrating.

navas was the worst player on the pitch, no goal or. assist, gets a yellow, and at half time when toure came on, everyone thought it would be for navas, bad tackles, poor passing/crossing
but if this is how bonus pts are rewarded, then we all have to except it, whether we agree or not, football/fpl after all creates opions/discussions etc, good luck all

always get frustrated when i read player x didnt even score or assist and yet got bonus as then it becomes just an award for forward players for doing their jobs. navas' job at right back is surely not to score goals (thank god!), maybe get the odd assist yes but that's an odd assist, far less of a creative burden than an actual playmaker, let's say silva in their case. i think it's fair to say a right back's job is more exactly what he got bonus for in this case, winning the ball back/stopping the winger and getting up the pitch to get some of his own crosses in.

i like this system as it doesn't care about reputation or narratives going into the match. a hugely unpopular player can have a statistically impressive game and get rewarded. then at the other end of the scale a popular player can not be rewarded due to a hugely wasteful game. alexis for example looked like a jetlagged mess in the match, so many heavy touches, losing possession cheaply etc. but, you can bet if he scored a late penalty there would have been cries for the 3bps.

this was the perfect storm of unpopular player (a bit of a joke figure, always remember a tweet which said i bet the rest of the man city squad have a whatsapp group called navas) meets hugely owned player fpl wise. the less obvious perfect storm was navas got to mark alexis who is so uniquely relentless and direct that on a day like that when the co-ordination/sharpness was slightly fuzzy he was basically donating 2bps to navas every other attack.

where are the cries for sane's bonus? or walcott's? (how can you not agree with garg's point). and here's an irony, one of the reasons aguero got so close to the 3 bonus was tackles!

Well and a YC.. Must agree though BPS system is really good and does reward the right players 99.5% of the time.. When the 0.5% happens to a popular pick ppl start kicking off..

I don't think there is an issue here at all. The bonus point system is not a rating system for how well a player is perceived to have performed, it is simply a mechanism for objectively allocating points for certain events that happen on the pitch.

Some players are 'bps magnets' but may not play particularly well.

Having an objective manner of assessing bonus points removes any subjectiveness in the matter.

The bonus point system may not be perfect at the moment, but it is transparent, quantifiable, fair to all and is there to be used to our advantage