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FFS Career Hall of Fame Updated – Kouwenberg Goes Top

Our Career Hall of Fame has been updated with the final 2016/17 standings – and for the first time in four seasons, this elite list has a new leader.

Here we take a look at the new top ten, their career track record and key strategies for success during the season.

For those unfamiliar with our Hall of Fame ranking system, this is applied to everyone who takes part in our Fantasy Premier League (FPL) mini-leagues – both the free and members’ leagues.

This tracks the performances of every manager over each of the seasons they have participated and awards a “HoF rating accordingly – this is viewable to all via this link or the top menu “HoF” link.

More information about the Hall of Fame from Mark and Rate My Team’s Chris Atkinson is available via this movie.

Leaping from third spot at the end of the 2015/16 campaign to first is Peter Kouwenberg (aka My Pretty Pony). Peter is a frequent commentator on the site and his regular discussions with Top Marx, who has been tracking the progress of last season’s career Hall of Fame top five through his weekly community articles, have already offered an excellent insight into his strategies.

His final rank of 138 was enough to secure top spot in the Hall of Fame over a season where he stuck to a popular chip strategy of focusing the Triple Captain, Bench Boost and Second Wildcard on the Double Gameweeks towards the end of the season.

From Gameweek 27, when he triple captained Sergio Aguero, to the final Gameweek he accrued nine green arrows and rocketed from 19,452 into the top 1,000 in Gameweek 32.

However, his first Wildcard was less successful.

Used in Gameweek 4, his rank fell from 65,231 to 243,702 over the next three set of fixtures before he turned it around in Gameweek 8, thanks to double-digit hauls from Arsenal’s Theo Walcott and Watford’s Jose Holebas.

This focus on potentially high-scoring differentials helped offset poor performances from his heavy hitters that week, with Captain Alexis Sanchez only scoring five and Sergio Aguero’s penalty miss leaving him with -1.

Another pivotal factor in Gameweek 8 for Peter involved him switching temporarily to a 3-5-2 formation, with Hull City’s Adama Diomande as a makeweight.

According to the FPL Statistico tool, this was a formation he was to use a further six times, with 3-4-3 the most popular (24 times).

Alexis Sanchez was his most-used captain, with the Chilean receiving the armband 10 times and handing him an average score of 21. However, with an average score of 22.8, Romelu Lukaku was his most successful source of double points.

Chelsea players also dominated his squad, with Antonio Conte’s troops racking up 59 appearances for Peter, followed by 49 from Liverpool’s assets.

Incredibly, this is the third season in a row where he has finished within the top 500, with a rank of 129 last year and 289 the year before. Across his 11 seasons, he has also finished in the top 10,000 a further four times. No other FPL manager can boast stronger recent form.

In terms of hits, Peter was something of an addict, spending points 25 times to bring his total transfer tally to 60.

It is also worth noting that Peter is one of only two managers from last season’s Career Hall of Fame to retain a top ten berth this time around.

A sensational rank of 29th has seen Graeme Sumner leap from 32nd in the 2015/16 Career Hall of Fame to second spot.

This is his eighth season over a career that has seen him rack up two other top 1,000 placings and finish inside the top 10,000 on three other occasions.

His first Wildcard proved successful, seeing him move from 756,236 in Gameweek 5 to 248,121 when triggered in Gameweek 6.

Although he dipped briefly below the 300,000 rank mark over the next three Gameweeks, it gave him the platform to gradually creep up the overall placings. He broke into the top 100,000 in Gameweek 11, the top 10,000 in Gameweek 19 and then the top 1,000 from Gameweek 26.

As with Peter Kouwenberg, he focused his second Wildcard and Bench Boost around the Gameweek 37 double set of fixtures. His Triple Captaincy chip was handed to Aguero in Gameweek 27.

This tactic helped him break into the top 100 in Gameweek 32.

Another similarity with Peter was his switch to 3-5-2, also involving Diomande, in Gameweek 6. He used this formation a further 10 times, eight times less than he used his favoured 3-4-3.

In total he used 12 different captains with Sanchez was used most frequently, though Lukuku proved the most successful.

But there were some notable differences with Peter. Liverpool players were used in his squad the most, making 58 appearances, with Chelsea’s troops used 56 times.

In addition, Graeme, who is the Hall of Fame top ten’s highest placed manager in 2016/17’s overall rankings, took a more modest 14 hits.

Jay Egersdorff will go down in Fantasy Football Scout history as the first manager to unseat long time Hall of Fame leader Ville Ronka, who had been top since the end of the 2013/14 season. Although he failed to cling onto the summit he finishes 2016/17 third in the Career Hall of Fame, up from 16th at the end of last season.

His stellar finish of 105 is his second best, after reaching 101 in 2009/10. Across his 11 campaigns, he has racked up a further seven top 10,000 finishes and, incredibly, his lowest ever rank was 14,954, achieved last year.

When looking at his use of chips, he is another to focus these on the end of season Double Gameweeks while also deploying the first Wildcard early on and switching to a 3-5-2 formation.

His Gameweek 6 overhaul saw him turn to Diomande as a makeweight as he moved from 44,695 to 12,177. A move into the top 10,000 followed in Gameweek 7, where he remained for the rest of the season, breaking into the top 1,000 in Gameweek 21.

Unlike Peter and Graeme, Jay was a more ardent supporter of 3-5-2, deploying it 19 times and only relying on 3-4-3 on 11 occasions.

In terms of the captaincy, he mirrored his fellow top three managers, captaining Sanchez the most but gaining more success when handing the armband to Romelu Lukaku.

Jay took just ten points hits, with three of these coming in Gameweek 28, where he used them strategically to tackle the reduced fixture list. It worked well, with his 20,993 Gameweek rank his best of the campaign.

In fourth is Matthew Jones (aka Numb), who was just outside the Hall of Fame top ten, in 11th, at the end of last season.

His rankings finish of 367 was his best yet over an eight-season career that has seen him accrue two other top 1,000 finishes. Indeed, his only finish outside of the top 10,000 was his debut campaign in 2009/10 when he ended with a highly respectable rank of 15,535.

His chips record is familiar to those above him, with an early Gameweek 6 first Wildcard, followed by Triple Captaincy in Gameweek 27 and a second Wildcard and Bench Boost used over Gameweeks 36 and 37.

Unlike Jay, Peter and Graeme he was less keen on 3-5-2, using this just twice while favouring 3-4-3 29 times. This was typified during his first Wildcard where he drafted in Manchester United’s Marcus Rashford, with Charlie Austin replacing him for eight Gameweeks shortly afterwards.

Again, Sanchez was handed the armband more than any other player but Lukaku was his most successful captain across a campaign that saw Matthew take just eight hits.

Our very own Mark enters the Career Hall of Fame for the first time, moving from 51st at the end of this season to fifth spot.

A placing of 115th in the overall rankings is the fourth time he has ended a campaign in the top 1,000 and is his second best season conclusion after 2014/15’s finish of 42. He has finished outside the top 10,000 just three times, with 2013/14’s 192,837 something of an anomaly.

In terms of chips, he also focused his Triple Captaincy on Double Gameweek 27 for Manchester City and Stoke City, and his second Wildcard and Bench Boost around Gameweek 36 and the following double set of fixtures.

He chose to trigger his first Wildcard in Gameweek 4, an early revamp that saw him stick with 3-4-3, a formation he used on 17 occasions, with Jermain Defoe taking the third striker spot.

A switch to 3-5-2 to take advantage of the wealth of midfield options followed in Gameweek 15, when Sunderland’s budget forward Victor Anichebe took on makeweight duties. This paid off, as within three Gameweeks he had breached the top 50,000 mark, where he stayed for the duration, moving into the top 10,000 in Gameweek 21 and the top 1,000 in Gameweek 29.

Across the season, Mark spent points 14 times and was happiest turning to Sanchez with the armband, although as with his fellow elite managers, Lukaku proved the most lucrative regular recipient of the captaincy. Unusually for our top ten, Sunderland players, including Defoe and Anichebe, made the most appearances in his squad.

One of our biggest climbers is Lester Cheng, who moves from 98th to sixth after completing 2016/17 with an overall rank of 85. This is his highest finish over a ten-season career which has included two other top 1,000 placings and a low of 38,084, in 2009/10.

A good start, with a Gameweek 1 rank of 78,582, was key to his success over a campaign in which he took 17 points hits. After briefly dipping below the 200,000 ranking mark in Gameweek 3, he moved into the top 100,000 within two weeks and never left, eventually moving into the top 1,000 in Gameweek 29.

Unlike those above him, he opted to use his Triple Captain chip in Gameweek 38 rather than Gameweek 27. But the result was similar, with his choice of Alexis Sanchez matching Aguero’s Gameweek 27 score of nine.

The rest of his chip use mirrored those above him in the Hall of Fame, with a first Wildcard used in Gameweek 4 and a second revamp and Bench Boost used around the Gameweek 37 double.

In terms of formation, he is clearly not keen on 3-5-2, deploying this just once while using 3-4-3 an incredible 32 times. Sanchez was also his favoured captain, with Lukaku again proved the most profitable.

Cormac O’Shaughnessy’s ascent from 132 in last season’s Career Hall of Fame update to seventh this campaign is down to an impressive finish of 51 in the overall rankings.

This is his second top 100 ranking and makes up for last season’s disappointing final placing of 63,398 – his lowest ever conclusion to a season. Over his nine-year career he also has four other top 10,000 finishes under his belt.

While he also deployed his first Wildcard early, in Gameweek 4, his use of his remaining key chips differed from those above him. He opted to Wildcard in Gameweek 35, hand the triple captain chip to Alexis Sanchez in Gameweek 36 and Bench Boost the following week.

Over these two pivotal Gameweeks, he recorded his two highest weekly ranks to move from just outside of the top 1,000 into the top 100.

So far in our run-down, Cormac has been the most successful deployer of chips, with Sanchez’s 42-point triple captaincy haul outstripping the returns of Manchester City’s assets in their double Gameweek 27.

Cormac was just as happy with 3-4-3, which he used 17 times, as 3-5-2, which was utilised on 14 occasions. As with other elite managers, he favoured Sanchez with the armband, handing it to him 17 times, but saw better returns from Lukaku.

Cormac also kept hits to a minimum, spending points just 13 times.

Up from 48th to eighth is Phil Ampleford (aka Philman), who finished at 365 – his highest placing in an eight-year career that has seen him finish in the top 1,000 on one other occasion. He has been in the top 10,000 every year, except for 2010/11’s disappointing 43,432 conclusion.

Phil has stuck to the elite manager’s textbook chip use, employing his Triple Captaincy in Gameweek 27 and navigating Double Gameweek 37 via his second Wildcard and Bench Boost.

A Gameweek 6 Wildcard proved effective, moving him inside the top 50,000, where he remained apart from a brief slump between Gameweeks 14 and 15. After flirting with the top 10,000 in Gameweek 22, he cemented his seat among this elite rankings group three weeks later. A combined score of 288 for the final two sets of fixtures propelled him into the top 500 for the first time in the season, and his eventual finish was his highest ranking of the season.

Sanchez was also his favoured captain, although Lukaku, Aguero and Ibrahimovic all rewarded him with more points when handed the armband.

He took 20 hits over the season and was flexible with formation, using 3-4-3 a total of 19 times but relying on 3-5-2 on 12 occasions. However, it was the latter that offered him stronger returns.

Kane was captained seven times by Phil, who was keen on Spurs assets this season, with Mauricio Pochettino’s charges appearing most often in his squad.

The only other Career Hall of Fame top ten manager to retain that accolade is David Meechan, who dips from fifth to ninth after finishing 2016/17 with a rank of 2,560.

David is among FPL’s most consistently high-performing managers. Across his ten seasons, he has finished in the top 1,000 twice, the top 10,000 a further five times and his lowest-ever rank is 15,420.

A first Wildcard use in Gameweek 6 was par for the course among our elite. But his decision to use his second in Gameweek 30 marks him out.

Was it successful? Arguably it was, as it halved his 14,564 rank and maintained a top 10,000 placing for the duration. It also allowed him to use his Triple Captaincy successfully in Gameweek 36, with Sanchez returning him 42 points. His Bench Boost the following week helped him net 177 points.

Over the season he took 16 points hits, with three coming in the final trio of fixtures to ensure he could keep pace with those Wildcarding later.

Interestingly, David was among the strongest advocates of 3-5-2, which he used 20 times, but he also had the lowest overall rank of our top ten.

He is another who heavily backed Sanchez with the armband, handing it to him 16 times, but as with the other top ten managers Lukaku was the more lucrative option, although he only entrusted him with the captaincy twice.

Sunderland players featured the most prominently in his squad, accruing 60 appearances for David – the same tally as Chelsea assets.

In tenth spots we find another high riser, Paul Marshman (aka Back on the Horse), who makes the leap into the top ten from 40th last season. His finish of 523 in the rankings is the fifth time he has ended a campaign in the top 1,000, across a chequered 11-season career. On three occasions he has finished outside of the top 100,000, with 2007/8’s 512,345 his worst to date.

It is back to the Hall of Fame top ten template regarding his chips, with Triple Captain used in Gameweek 27, a second Wildcard in Gameweek 36 and Bench Boost triggered the following week. His Gameweek 6 Wildcard was also typical of the top ten.

This campaign, in which he took just seven hits, started badly with an overall rank of 724,616 and dipped to a season low of just outside the one million mark in Gameweek 3. His first Wildcard helped stop the rot, propelling him into the top 500,000 within a week and the top 100,000 by Gameweek 11.

From Gameweek 26, he cemented a top 10,000 berth by only notching red arrows on three occasions before the season end.

He is among the least keen on 3-5-2, using it just seven times and instead deploying 3-4-3 on 23 occasions. Lukaku was also his most successful recipient of the armband, but he only entrusted the Everton striker with this honour on two occasions. With nine captaincies, Sanchez was his favoured option.

A final mention goes to Ville Ronka, who slips to 14th after dominating this end of season list in recent years. His 2016/17 finish of 21,905 was his worst to date – and the first time he had finished outside the top 5,000 across his incredible career. In the final Gameweek, he didn’t even make a transfer or switch captaincy.

A look at his chip use offers no clue as to why this Finnish enigma had a relatively torrid time in 2016/17. As with the majority of the current top ten, he Wildcarded in Gameweeks 4 and 36, triggered his Triple Captaincy in Gameweek 27 and played his Bench Boost in Gameweek 37.

The answer may lie in his trademark patience in a season where hopping on bandwagons proved crucial for many. Across the campaign, he took just two hits, far fewer than the average in our current elite top ten. It remains to be seen whether he will stick with his patient approach next season, or whether this latest campaign will persuade him to find a balance.

Hall of Fame FAQ

How is my rating calculated?
The “HoF Rating” is based on your points scores from previous FPL seasons, with the latest season weighted the heaviest and each corresponding season weighted at roughly 80% that of the previous season. So, in other words, those who performed best in 2016/17 will receive a bigger HoF Rating boost from those who did best in 2006/07. The “HoF Ranking” even allows for those with missing years, adapting the formula accordingly to allow to rank alongside the veterans of the FPL.

How do I join the Hall of Fame
Simply sign up to our leagues next season, either the Fantasy Football Scout Classic League or if you’re a member, the Members Classic League – the code will available on the dashboard of the Members Area once the FPL game re-opens for registration.

How do I find myself in the Hall of Fame?
The search box at the top of the ranking tables allows you to search by surname or by FPL id.

What if I don’t want to be listed?
Either notify us via support@fantasyfootballscout.co.uk or simply leave the Fantasy Football Scout league and you’ll be removed on the next update.

When does the Hall of Fame get updated?
The Career table is available to all and is updated at the end of each season to display the latest rankings. The Live version of the Hall of Fame is updated every week to use the latest season data.

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364 Comments Post a Comment
  1. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Thank God - fresh content!!

  2. TokyoRisingSun
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    So griezmann has apparently handed in a transfer request. Thank god. This will hopefully be the end of this annoying saga

  3. PDM TOP 1,000 any Season Le…
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    All Hail the New King

    1. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Peter's a Forest fan too. He deserves to be King with that curse 😉

      1. TopMarx
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        he was also one of the early managers to get King in his team...

  4. Les Bleus
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    "thanks to double-digit hauls from Arsenal’s Theo Walcott and Watford’s Jose Holebas"

    Did I read that right? 😯

    1. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Yeah, Theo ripped it up from GW's 5-8.

      1. Les Bleus
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        The times of yesteryear!

  5. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Congratulations Mark. Top 5 - not too shabby.

    This one is for you: https://youtu.be/mk48xRzuNvA

  6. Rihanovic
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Greetings fantasy veterans.
    Do you guys have any ideas for spicing up competetion in regular classic and head to head leagues?
    It doesn't have to betoo complicated, something applicable instead.
    Also some suggestions about league awards would be appreciated.
    Thank you very much!!!

    1. Heels_Over_Head
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      WhatsApp chat group for league members.

      1. Rihanovic
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        Thank you sir!!!
        Already done that

  7. PDM TOP 1,000 any Season Le…
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    @Mark - Previously you did a limited Kolarov t-shirt. Do you have any plans to create "FFS" t-shirts in the future. I'm pretty sure this would be very popular purchase for us geeky FF followers. Just throwing it out there. Would make a quirky gift to wear around town !

    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Great idea!

    2. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Definitely. Name on the back as well.

    3. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      We actually have some of those left.

      Yeah were mulling over merch - we have a number of decent shirt designs knocking about.

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Any plans to mass-produce Jonty's Big Issue hat (as seen on the 'Beached' episode of the scoutcast)?

  8. Delhidynamo
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Wenger has pulled one out of the bag again

    http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10898992/arsenal-agree-onyekuru-fee

    1. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      The fact that Arsenal are competing for players with Everton, WBA, Southampton etc shows the issue.

  9. Dr Dream
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    I agree with Wenger. Some of the things that are being said about him, and Arsenal, is a bit disrespectful tbh....and shocking.

    If the fans spent half as much time actually getting behind Arsenal as they do running their own team and manager down then the whole feel of the club would turn around. The fans just need to look in the mirror to find the problem at Arsenal.

    I've never seen anything like it....and it's getting worse.

    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      100% correct.

    2. Rhinos
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      This is the problem with fan tv, most sensible people with sensible views prefer to keep them to themselves, tends to leave fame hungry fog horns on ego trips to represent their club

      1. Sims
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Actually that's not entirely true. Negative ranting fans will always generate more views and the wiener runs these TV channels would rather have those fans appear than show the other side

        1. Sims
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Wiener? ???

          Whoever **

    3. Sims
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Totally agree with u...If the fans didn't make the home games feel like away games who knows what arsenal would have achieved

      1. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        I suppose the two clubs closest to Arsenal in terms of under achieving, as in big clubs not winning the title for a while, are Spurs and Liverpool. I don't see those fans chewing their own arms off every week...do you?

        It's only a couple of days since Arsenal won the FA cup in some style and they're already banging the drum again to get rid of him.

        1. Sims
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          It's the most toxic fan base out there. Would love it if arsene exited by shutting them all up with the league trophy only for the club to slide down well beyond the "4th" spot their own fans love to hate. Would teach them a lesson

          1. Dr Dream
            • 11 Years
            6 years, 11 months ago

            Aye. The moment that did it for me this season was when Arsenal drew Bayern out of the hat in the CL. The moaning about that was relentless....and every post to a man decided they were beat even before a ball had been kicked.....WHY ?...

            Watching your team play Bayern in the CL is like a dream come true for most teams but if you want to get a good beating the best way to do it is to decide you're beaten before kick off.....and that's exactly what happened.

            1. KingNidge
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 11 months ago

              So it was the fans fault they got absolutely ripped to shreds by Bayern home and away? come on Wakey

              1. Dr Dream
                • 11 Years
                6 years, 11 months ago

                Yes it is in part. The club, mainly the fans, had decided they'd lost before a ball was kicked. I'm not saying they would have won with a better attitude around the club but they wouldn't have got thumped in the way they did perhaps.

                That club decides it's beaten all on it's own...

                1. KingNidge
                  • 8 Years
                  6 years, 11 months ago

                  It may have a slight impact and perhaps even more so given how spineless most of those players that Wenger has put together are.. but the buck stops with the manager ultimately

              2. FPL Virgin
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 7 Years
                6 years, 11 months ago

                I'm a Liverpool fan so I don't find this easy to say, but you can really see the gulf in class between Man United fans and Arsenal fans.

                Man U and Arsenal both had mediocre seasons, but there hasn't been even so much as a murmur about Jose's job.

                Would United fans have ever turned on Fergie the way Gunners fans have turned on Wenger? Even if they had comparable records?

                1. Dr Dream
                  • 11 Years
                  6 years, 11 months ago

                  Timing...see below...

                2. KingNidge
                  • 8 Years
                  6 years, 11 months ago

                  Jose has been there 1 season Wenger has been there 20 and 13 since he got even remotely close to a league title

                  1. FPL Virgin
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 7 Years
                    6 years, 11 months ago

                    It wasn't that long ago Arsenal spent the majority of the season top of the league. They were top for something like 150 days. I would call that remotely close.

                    1. KingNidge
                      • 8 Years
                      6 years, 11 months ago

                      Season lasts longer than that

                    2. Hibbo
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 11 Years
                      6 years, 11 months ago

                      It was a bucket league that year FPL Virgin.

                      And Arsenal still didn't win it.

                      The dynamic has changed Chelsea strong, Spurs strong, City chequebook, United chequebook, Liverpool improving and ECL.

                      If Arsenal lose Sanchez they are well and truly done for. He's irreplaceable.

                      1. KingNidge
                        • 8 Years
                        6 years, 11 months ago

                        But Sanchez wants out because of the big bad fans shouting at his team mates and demanding they at least give 100 % every week for their wages and nothing at all to do with the lack of ambition of the board and 13 year long incompetence of the manager..

                        lol

                      2. Hibbo
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 11 Years
                        6 years, 11 months ago

                        I didn't even realise Sanchez had teammates last year.

                        They must have been the boys who gave him the ball and asked him to turn water into wine.

                      3. KingNidge
                        • 8 Years
                        6 years, 11 months ago

                        Wenger gave him his coat and he zipped it up

                      4. Hibbo
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 11 Years
                        6 years, 11 months ago

                        Must get one of them coats for next season.

                      5. KingNidge
                        • 8 Years
                        6 years, 11 months ago

                        I'd love to know what size it is Wenger wouldn't be a kick in the arse off 7 ft and it sits just above his ankles lol

                      6. Hibbo
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 11 Years
                        6 years, 11 months ago

                        You should get one too for our new video blogcast.

                        We would look like two sharp wee pins in our Wenger coats.

                      7. KingNidge
                        • 8 Years
                        6 years, 11 months ago

                        Hahaha absolutely tremendous... sold out too lol

                      8. Gnu
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 14 Years
                        6 years, 11 months ago

                        But this is more affordable..... and fetching too

                        https://arsenaldirect.arsenal.com/Womens/Clothing/Jackets/Arsenal-Womens-Quilted-Puffa-Gilet/p/N00311

                      9. KingNidge
                        • 8 Years
                        6 years, 11 months ago

                        That's actually quite tidy 🙂

                      10. Hibbo
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 11 Years
                        6 years, 11 months ago

                        https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.pinterest.com/amp/pin/264445809340243686/

                        Pair it with those Nidge you'd be the talk of the Emirates.

                      11. Gnu
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 14 Years
                        6 years, 11 months ago

                        You'll need one of these after stomping about all day wearing those.

                        http://www.asromastore.com/en/as-roma-pouffe.html

        2. KingNidge
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          You don't see the fans of those clubs you mention chewing their own arms off every week because they are actively trying to move forward and making changes either at board level and in the mangers position to best achieve this..the board at Arsenal have been pocketing fans money for long enough and not giving enough back in terms of investment or success on the pitch does it always bring success? no but if something is going badly wrong change it up.. that's all the Arsenal fans want.. change.. no amount of FA cups is going to change that

    4. KingNidge
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      I agree that some of it is uncalled for and also agree that the majority of anger among their fans is more than warranted given the hard earned money they put into the club week in week out.. They fork out for the most expensive season tickets in europe and want what is best for the club and to see them competitive not paying huge sums on top of that to travel round europe seeing their team getting humiliated due to his incompetence year after year.. they were promised by the board they would be competing with the Bayern Munichs etc one the Emirates was up and running and they got absolutely trashed by them not once but twice this season by an aggregate of 10-2.. that can't be easy to watch as a fan.. they want to see some sort of progress after 13 years without a league title and actually they are now going backwards and still he has the arrogance to stay and pocket another 8 million a year for the next two with absolutely no signs they can progress under him.. Sanchez is no mug he can see it that's why he wants out.. nor was RVP Fabregas etc etc etc.. can't be easy for the fans to see their best players and the ones they adore jump ship season after season and in many cases join rivals either.. So there are very much two sides to this coin from what i see.. he has been a great manager for that club but and like you say deserves respect even though that time is long gone but the fans have a right to their opinions and deserve respect too.. those that aren't hurling abuse btw but those that protest in a respectful manner

    5. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      You can't be serious? Surely Wenger must take a large part of the responsibility for the way things have turned out this season?

      1. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        How has it turned out?....

        So they missed out on CL football for once but they finished six points ahead of UTD one behind Liverpool and three behind City...oh and lifted the FA cup....

        Do you see scores and scores of United, Liverpool and City fans demanding their managers resign ?...but they're on about the same level...

    6. andymck
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Imagine if people were protesting this 'passionately' about something a tad less trivial than the position a football manager who is still undoubtedly one of the most successful and respectable if the premier league era. Funny how we've never seen planes with banners about saving the NHS or solving the housing crisis...it's just sad.

    7. Hibbo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      You spent a fair majority of the season on here being critical of Wenger for playing Sanchez on the wing and not up front.

      I'd imagine an Arsenal fans should be afforded the same right.

    8. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Disagree. Wenger has poor expectations management. He keeps saying that Arsenal can win the league. Yet the club show no ambition to buy the players or change their tactics to win the league. Someone is lying somewhere. Either Wenger / Board's target is to finish Top 4 and they are lying about their target. Or their ambition is to win the League and they are lying about the money available to spend.

    9. getfunky
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Thing is they've known for ten yrs that there's no chance of winning the league.They know that as soon as it gets to January the side implodes & everything goes to shit once the pressure mounts. They know that Wenger will never address the obvious issues in the side like a holding midfielder or a top class striker. & they know that every season follows the same cycle where they look good to start with, buckle under the pressure mid season then finish strongly at the end once there's hardly anything less to play for. It's the same cycle every season.

      The reality is that they're fed up of it. You're talking ten yrs of it. I remember bumping into my mate at the beginning of the year & I asked him how he thought they'd do this season, his reply was "the same as every season". That's the general reaction I see now, it's not even anger, they're apathetic, which is even worse imo.

      1. Dino
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 10 months ago

        I'm sure Aston villa, Leeds and Newcastle fans would hate to be winning fa cups and qualifying for the champions league each season with a slight prospect of winning a league should the dice roll their way. The reason I mention these teams is because they were all at a similar level when Wenger took over arsenal.

        Sometimes consistency can lead to apathy but look at the struggle Utd are involved in since saf retired. I'd caution the arsenal fans to be careful what they wish for.

  10. Bartowski
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Did Shaw player under Poch at Soton? Possibility of a swap deal for Rose?

    1. Sims
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Yes but back then he didn't get injured all the time. Poch is no fool can't see it happening

      1. Lovren an elevator
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        No-one seems to be addressing the fact Rose is pretty injury prone too...

        1. Sims
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          He already has him. If anyone he'd trade him for a less injury prone player not shaw

    2. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Yeah but I think Shaw is damaged goods until he can produce a decent spell without injury. I'm not sure anybody would want him on their books right now.

  11. Rhinos
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    whats the worst game of football you've ever watched fpl wise?
    This one takes some beating, 2 reds and a sacrificial sub
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/15325522

    1. Sims
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Had no Chelsea so enjoyed this a lot

      Qpr almost made a mess out of this. Never seen a team waste so many sitters. Anelka nearly equalised at the end too

  12. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Newcastle manager Rafael Benitez wants to be reunited with his former Liverpool keeper Pepe Reina and is eyeing a £4m move for the Spaniard, who plays for Napoli. (Daily Mirror)

    Will that also be his price in FPL?

    1. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      4.5 most likely

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Rafa + Reina = clean sheets

  13. andy85wsm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Ville Ronka 🙁

  14. Parm
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Are there any players(already) that you think could have a Josh King year next season? Even if it's just the smallest of hunches...

    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Slimani. Boufal.

      1. Parm
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        It seemed like Shakespeare didn't pick Slimani once appointed. Could make a move if Okazaki is 1st choice?

      2. Get up ya bum
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Great shouts.

        1. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Best I could think of.

          1. Parm
            • 12 Years
            6 years, 11 months ago

            It's ok, we have 3 months more to think of them.

    2. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Somebody will emerge as a steal, they always do......

      Ramsey, Mahrez, King.....and.....

      1. Parm
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Michu, Charlie Adam...

    3. Sims
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Sidwell

      1. Parm
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        I laughed

    4. Lovren an elevator
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Anthony Knockaert
      Gray (if Mahrez leaves)
      Andre Ayew

      1. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Gray could be a very good shout.

        1. Parm
          • 12 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Gray seems like a Zaha/Bolasie, good on the eye, not troubling the scoreboard too much though.

    5. TopMarx
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Charlie Austin?

      1. Parm
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        I'd put the entire Southampton team on the watchlist with Puel out the window.

        1. Tansey
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Is Puel definitely gone?

    6. andymck
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Lanzini will probably be in the 7m bracket but I have high hopes for him

    7. BananaNose Maldonado
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Lanzini seems ready to have a breakout season.

      Grosicki could be sneaky good if he reunites with Silva at Watford.

    8. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Jordan and Andre Ayew

  15. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Mickey Mouse innit.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BUtpvUqFKUs/

    1. Sims
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Saw a united fan on here claiming that utd had a better season than chelsea. U have to give them top marks for comedy

  16. TopMarx
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Nice write up Jonty, interesting to note the differences and similarities between these elite managers, congrats to the new top 10.

  17. RoysCallerAnne
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Well done to Numb and Back on the Horse. Two fantastic contributors to FFS over the years.
    And to all the other 8 in the top 10, including Mark of course.
    Fantastic achievement. Enjoy your time in the sun and have a great summer.

    1. Hibbo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Great lads.

      Great for the town the lot of them.

    2. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Couldn't agree more

    3. Geoff
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      And to number 11 😉

    4. Back on the horse
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 10 months ago

      Thanks RCA. I'm on the beach now... With the WBA and Watford guys.

  18. Jafalad
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    My HOF rank fails to include my top 500 rank in 2008/9. I'd be top of the pile otherwise.

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      🙂

      You should break 6 figures next season.

  19. Heels_Over_Head
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    How many folks are active in a typical community tournament?

    What make community tournaments vital is usually the social interaction which requires active banter. I wonder if there is a sweet spot for the number of participants.

    1. Heels_Over_Head
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      For example, the last FFS UEFA Council tournament in 2015 had 180 participants.
      https://uefacouncil.wordpress.com

      FFS UEFA ran great tournaments for years. Maybe half of those 180 got actively involved in the banter in the chat thread set up on FFS for that Cricket tourney in 2015? or maybe only 1/3?

      1. DGW blindness is for Kinnea…
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        A

        1. Heels_Over_Head
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          C is typically a better choice if this is a standardised test.

    2. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      FIFFSA had 384 participants. At the start it was very active as you would expect with that number (apart from team Iceland). The Chili Bowl had 192 but was originally planned for 144. There was an outcry because more people wanted to be involved so we expanded the size of teams to take account of that.

      Personally I think any community tournament should be looking at a minimum of 200 people involved to allow space for a wide range of people. But how many are active you ask?

      Well that is a little difficult to quantify. Obviously as a tournament goes on there will always be a reduction in interest, teams gradually get knocked out and interest wanes. The sad thing is when there is a reduction in interest from teams still in the tournament. I do think that sometimes there are swathes of people involved but they maybe do not post as much as the organizers would like. When you set up lots of independent groups to discuss strategy for something like this they all go off and have their own conversations about tactics/ benchings / captaincy etc which keeps them involved but maybe you don't see it and that can be disheartening as an organiser as maybe you don't realise it.

      In an ideal world you want 2/3 very active posters in each team minimum but it is difficult to make sure this happens so it tends to be open to chance. Often very regular posters congregate together as they tend to know each otehr quite well and that leaves some of the less frequent posters banding together. Then if they are the teams which get through it can make the tournament quite quiet. So my answer is I guess it depends upon who the participants are to what the sweet spot maybe and it is difficult to decide in advance. But the more people you have in a competition the more chance you will have posting regarding it. If you keep as many people in with a chance of winning in it for as long as possible you will have more interactions and interest regarding it. As soon as people are knocked out or cannot qualify for the next round their interest is gone and so is their posting.

      There are some tactics you can use to encourage posting such as having awards for posts of the round but imo they are best as voted for awards. It is difficult as an organiser to quantify what is the best post sometimes and the will of the people is best for deciding it.

      1. Heels_Over_Head
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        384 !
        That's a ton of work.

        Totally understand what you mean about activity within teams off to the side. In the old UEFA competitions:
        - I was on one team that had an amazing social e-mail thread banter for the group stage. We had a ton of fun and friendly banter despite in the end losing every match.
        - I was another team that reached the finals and lost but the in-team chat was fairly boring and business-like.
        - But yes, all of that is off to the side unseen.

        I think finding that limit where there's a few still wanting to get into the next comp but not too many also helps increase activity once new folks get into a competition. Part of what worked on the team I was on that had good banter was we went out of our way to find good managers who had typically been overlooked for prior competitions... everyone was excited to be vocal and get into the pipeline of participating in the FFS UEFA comps.

        Drop off in interest after group stages is always going to be there though some will hang on for good pressers.

        Thanks for the thoughtful thorough reply.

        1. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Yes. FIFFSA was a whopper went out of it's way to be as inclusive as possible. We launched it well in advance and made the format fit the number of teams we could make and it worked very well. According to my records you played for Brazil in that one and had a disappointing tournament finishing bottom of your group despite actually scoring more points than the side which topped the group!

          1. Cheeseoid
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            6 years, 11 months ago

            A much better Chili bow though as your Waikiki team got to teh semis which is non to shabby at all

            1. MTPockets
                6 years, 11 months ago

                Unrelated - how did your friend get on with his work triathlon run? (think it was you)

                1. Cheeseoid
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  6 years, 11 months ago

                  It was. I had completely forgotten about that. I have just sent him a message to find out, he has been quiet on the matter

                  1. MTPockets
                      6 years, 11 months ago

                      Bailed I hope.

                2. Heels_Over_Head
                  • 10 Years
                  6 years, 11 months ago

                  Hmmm... I've been watched 😛

                  FIFFSA quite a whopper indeed. Our Brazil team had great promos and spirit. Alas, not meant to be. It's how these go sometimes.

                  My draft league loosely evolved out of my first tournament as a manager in one of these... the UEFA Beach Soccer event where I managed a Team UAE that did about as well as my Team Brazil.

                  Waikiki Beach Raiders had quite an epic chat and internal revolutions, all quite entertaining while I was more lacklustre than I should have been in involvement.

                  All this introspection as I internally debate the sustainability...
                  - because of AA33's idea which I fear is overly ambitious for a first trot out... and may also be missing the point that recruitment for these type of events is best done during international breaks when people are aching for something else to do....
                  - because I keep fidgeting about whether or not to add a 4th division to Knocks & Niggles...

                  Cheers for the memory lane stroll and thought provoking
                  😀

      2. ScotDougie
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Arsenals new signing looks promising young Nigerian kid good feet and an eye for goal , can't help but think it's just gonna be another promising player that turned out average . Walcott , Ox etc hard to get excited about but at least it's a start

        1. Heels_Over_Head
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Looks great on YouTube, but they all do.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yal9Imn2ttg

          1. Legomane
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 11 months ago

            Looks like he has the strength and technique of Romelu, and the speed, trickery and execution of Alexis. Perfect buy 🙂

      3. Amateur Pundit Zan
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        That HOF system looks a bit heavily rated to current season. Also draconian punishment for anyone with a warm up season, even if that was 5+ years ago.

        Otherwise it's a great way for us to compare our schlongs.

        72 for me, not too shabby.

        1. Jafalad
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Yeah - it ignores the two top 500 finishes I had 2008-10 plus my no 8 finish at the 2010 World Cuppy. 😡

        2. FC Lackless [BALEGIUM]
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          I like .. encourages new players [wishful thinking on my part].

      4. Jafalad
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        The Lions have arrived in NZ. Sure to be a great tour. 6 weeks of partying coming up 🙂

        1. UnitedFan
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Reckon we can win the series?

        2. FPL Blow-In
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          cannot wait!!

      5. FC Lackless [BALEGIUM]
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Fixtures out on the 14th June but anyone know when the player price list is likely to be published please ?

        1. Net Gains
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          I would imagine one month later when the FPL game returns

          1. FC Lackless [BALEGIUM]
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 10 months ago

            Thanks ... thought so of course but checking there wasn't a chance for a sneak preview before then.

      6. dhamphiir
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Manchester City have unveiled their home kit for the 2017/18 season

        https://mobile.twitter.com/mancity/status/869811376784646144

        1. Azathoth
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Buy the future would be more appropriate.

      7. pundit of punts
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Ronchi nailed?

        1. Eden Hazardous
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Wrong thread but no , Guptill scores a century in warmup and Latham is in top form.

      8. @chapellefpl OR 577TH
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Just to put this pep vs jose debate to bed I will leave you with this gem from Ruth:

        ''Guardiola inherited a once-in-a-lifetime constellation of midfielders at Barcelona and all coming into their prime. He then inherited a team that had just won the league, cup and CL treble.

        And those are the only two teams he has managed. It's hardly surprising he won a lot of titles with them. 

        Mourinho has taken over teams that needed a lot of work in every case. His titles therefore speak of a managerial ability that Guardiola has never shown''

        Spot on and checkmate!

        1. FC Lackless [BALEGIUM]
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Difficult to disagree .. Ruth's posts spot on as usual.

          1. Heels_Over_Head
            • 10 Years
            6 years, 11 months ago

            How many of Ruth's posts have you read?

            1. FC Lackless [BALEGIUM]
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 10 months ago

              I haven't been counting .... you?

        2. Make Arrows Green Again
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Generally I agree, but the dataset is too small at the moment. We will know better at the end of this season and we will know more and more the deeper he gets into his managerial career.

          The squad he inherited, a few key players aside, had largely got to the end of its useful life. Demichelis was signed as a stop-gap and Mangala (not a Pep signing either) had not adapted. Throw into the mix an ageing contingent of fullbacks and that team were always going to struggle at the back, for all their attacking flair. Mourinho could only take his team to fifth despite spending millions in the first season; I think that both managers have done equally well/poorly in their first season.

          For the record, I am broadly supportive of Manchester United in their endeavours. They are the country's 'biggest' club, an opinion which is supported by financial figures, performances over the last two decades and national and global fanbase. Manchester United are a barometer for the success of English football and it's no surprise that English clubs' dismal performance in Europe over the last 3-4 years has coincided with there not being a particularly strong English club.

      9. dhamphiir
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Atletico Madrid's transfer ban until 2018 has not been lifted.

        This makes the Lacazette and Griezmann saga very interesting!

      10. dhamphiir
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Sunderland have rejected an £8m bid from Everton for 23-year-old goalkeeper Jordan Pickford.

        1. Make Arrows Green Again
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          If that's true that's an insulting offer for everyone involved. He'll go for at least twice that, possibly three times.

        2. HammersFan
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Seems real low. I thought the original gossip was between 15-20 million?

        3. Individual
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Really wish Arsene would look at him. Great distribution and more level headed than the returning Sczezny was at his age. Surely a fantastic acquisition, could be our keeper for the next 10+ years!!

      11. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks for the update. 21st place for me, was hoping I would be a bit higher having flirted with the top 10 on a couple of occasions. Still a move up the ranks from the previous season so can't complain too much

      12. internal error
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Thank god the Clichy to Liverpool news is nonsense