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Premium Defenders v Mid-Price Midfielders

This season we are spoilt for choice when it comes to premium attackers.

The likes of Tottenham striker Harry Kane, Arsenal’s Alexis Sanchez and Manchester City duo Gabriel Jesus and Sergio Aguero are all understandably attracting attention. There is also Sanchez’s team mate Alexandre Lacazette, in addition to Romelu Lukaku, formerly of Everton and now of Manchester United, to compete for a place in our sides.

But with each commanding a hefty price tag precious funds will need to be freed up, which is where wingbacks and other premium defenders could come in handy. This group of pricey rearguard options offer the potential to keep pace with mid price midfielders but at a fraction of the cost – with between £1-3m savings to be made.

This article aims to look at the value offered by premium defenders to see if they really can compete with mid-price midfielders and offer Fantasy managers the chance to free up money for those enticing premium forwards.

Methodology

For this analysis I’ve looked at how many points were returned last season from players whose prices this time around would categorise them as either (a) premium defenders or (b) mid-price mids.

I removed the outliers, of players who had played only a few games, and ensured that each set of price ranges had a good sample of players.  Here are the results:

The Results

PositionPriceAverage Points
DEF£6m – £7m127
DEF£5.5m – £7m109
MID£6m – £8m104
MID£5.5m – £7.5m89

It would seem that investing more in defence and ignoring the age-old Fantasy Football instinct to unearth bargain defenders may be the way to go this season.

Like for like defenders who cost between £5.5m to £7.5m outscore midfielders in the same price bracket by 22%. This suggests that, not only can this group of  defenders cover the points of the midfielders –  they can actually exceed them.

If you’re willing to really splash the cash in defence and go for £6m plus players in your back line, then they can really outperform the mid-price mids (by a huge 43%). Even when you compare this with midfielders who cost £6 to £8m, which should weed out all the defensive midfielders, you’re still left with 22% more points.

This also impacts on formation and shows that a better way to maximise returns could be through opting for four, or even five at the back.

Could this consign the more popular 3-4-3 or 3-5-2  formations to the history books?

According to Firetog‘s recent analysis of formation there is already mounting evidence to suggest that investment in quality and quantity at the back could reap significant rewards.

2017/18’s Midfield Mimics

So who should you get in if you are looking to replace a midfielder with a defender?

It makes sense to minimise the risk by opting for a defender who mimics a midfielder as much as possible –  by offering goal and assist potential as well as the chance of clean sheets.

Chelsea left wing-back Marcos Alonso (7.0) is a prime example.

While listed as a defender his forays up the flank mimicked the attributes of a traditional midfield winger last season. We can expect the same again this season.

It makes sense to invest in such defenders, who essentially offer the chance to field an extra midfielder, but one who grabs more points for clean sheets and goals.

Here are my top choices among these ‘midfield mimics’. They all cost between £5.5m to £7m and judging by what happened last season, three to five of these players should comfortably outscore similarly priced and more expensive midfielders during 2017/18.

  • Marcos Alonso (Chelsea)
  • Victor Moses (Chelsea)
  • James Milner (Liverpool)
  • Kieran Trippier (Tottenham)
  • Danny Rose (Tottenham)
  • Hector Bellerin (Arsenal)
  • Sead Kolasinac (Arsenal)
  • Kyle Walker (Manchester City)
  • Antonio Valencia (Manchester United
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  1. J0E
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    • 14 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Thanks for posting. There's certainly a strong case for investing more in defence this season.

    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Thank you so much for all your effort on this, Jonty. I know there was a lot of back and forth and you've given the copy a heck of a polish to get it up to standard. 🙂

  2. TorresMagic™
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    • 14 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Nice article FPL Virgin. Will be interesting to see how your team lines up in GW1 if you already have 3 big hitting forwards.

    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Thanks TM, I appreciate that.

      I've finally popped my FFS article cherry!

  3. khanh
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Which one is better?

    A) Alli + Tadic

    Or

    B) Willian + Salah (I dont have Kane)

    1. nkhoughton
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      A if it allows kane

    2. Coys96
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      B

    3. The Nuttman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      A but Redmond over Tadic.

    4. JayfantasyPL
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Willian

  4. SAY SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Early on I think CSs are too unpredictable, looking at 4 at the back after the first WC may have som merit though.

    1. SAY SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      some*

    2. 6thGoal
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I looked back over the last 3 season at the first 3 games and the CS break down like this:

      7 - ARS
      6 - CHE
      6 - EVE
      6 - MNU
      6 - WHU
      6 - LIV
      5 - MCI
      5 - SWA
      5 - WBA
      4 - NEW

      1. Olivier Bernards watch
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        so the top 6 average about 2/3 clean sheets at the beginning of the season? That's pretty surprising, and appears to refute the idea that defenders score poorly early on. good work.

      2. Warmsy
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        So Spurs don't start well defensively?

  5. FPL ZB
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    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    I guess workoad is a problem for wingbacks though. Could lead to higher rotation, especially with teams keen to transfer in understudies this window.

    1. Jonesfromthere
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Yea it's the most rotated position really.

    2. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Fair point.

  6. Eden ACCOUNT CLOSED
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Walker owners just gasped as Danilo was announced........

    1. 6thGoal
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Walker out, Kompany in, save 0.5 and use it elsewhere. Problem solved. Now Vincent, stay healthy!

  7. 6thGoal
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Already starting building a 5-3-2 using Firetog's template. Honestly, it makes sense, based on Virgin's take on the premium defenders. I am planning anywhere from 27m-29.5m on defense with Kane and Lukaku (+4.5 bench) and using a 9.0 or 9.5 midfielder to build around.

    This allows great options due to the high prices of the two fowards and would be easy to move to any other players in the FPL. With a plethora of forward options, move either would allow to upgrade elsewhere.

    Nice work Virgin.

    1. ChrisRambo
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I'm looking at this myself... Maybe using 4 premium defenders rather than five though, freeing up some cash for better forward or midfield maybe

    2. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Thanks matey. 🙂

      TriggerLips knows someone called David Slade who plays 5-3-2 and does very well

      https://www.triggerlips.com/index.php/2017/07/16/other-formations/

      1. ChrisRambo
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Good article that is..... I'm stil tinkering with a 4/5 back line

  8. Deulofail
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    I like that you seemingly stacked the odds against your hypothesis by allowing for more expenive midfield options when compared to defensive options. This means that the result is even more valid.

    However, I think that looking at total points could be misleading. It would be nice to dig deeper than this since the result could be the opposite when looking at other metrics, such as PPG. Maybe defenders are more nailed than midfielders? You don't know unless you look.

    The sample size isn't large, so it would have been easy to be transparent by displaying the names of the players in the analysis. This may seem like spoon feeding, but it would help me make the links as I read it.

    If you like to follow up on articles, rather than publish and run, I would like to ask you what you mean by this paragraph/sentence:

    "I removed the outliers, of players who had played only a few games, and ensured that each set of price ranges had a good sample of players:"

    If you could elaborate with a longer paragraph for me, it would help me understand how you identified players/data points to exclude and why. Thanks 🙂

    1. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      more expensive midfield*

    2. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Further to this point, I would like to know why you chose to include a section on midfield mimics? Are you suggesting that the majority of the defenders in the analysis are midfield mimics or that midfield mimics showed the best value? What are you basing this on? It doesn't seem related to your analysis/research question. Kompany, for example, is included in your tested dataset, presume. It seems base on your own assumptions to be honest 😛 Just because you're replacing a midfielder....

      1. J0E
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        • 14 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        My take on that is because these are the defenders that mimic midfielders so he rates them highly and are ones he'd recommend.

        I asked him to list players he'd recommend based on his analysis during the editing stage and that's the list he came up with.

        I wouldn't take that to mean the likes of Kompany or Cahill are not good premium options too - just that these offer the prospect of essentially playing extra mids - as they get far up the pitch.

        1. Deulofail
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Fair enough Jonty. It's just that it's not based on the analysis, as far as we can tell from the article.

          1. J0E
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            • 14 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Granted he doesn't expand on whether wingbacks or centrebacks offer value or why particular players - eg Alonso offer more over say Kompany or indeed 7m mids like Ramsey or Willian.

            The thing with community articles though - as opposed to main site ones - is that they have scope to be more opinion based and also the discussion section tends to focus more on the article so can add more discussion to the points raised.

            This is a good example of that with yourself and others able to probe a bit more - ask more questions of the author and suggest ways each analysis can be improved. That tends to lead to further articles and more discussion - that's the key aim of them really.

            Hopefully FPL Virgin will pop by and try to help fill in some of those blanks - which in turn may lead to further research - with this article itself following on from themes raised in Firetog's article.

            1. Deulofail
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Yup. That's why I'm asking the question 🙂

    3. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Like any study or piece of research it is not definitive and it is open to critique and further research to advance the theories put forward.

      The outliers were players who hadn't played for the majority of the season. The sample size was between 17 to 36 players in each group. Ideally we'd have equal players who had played an equal number of games in each price set.

      1. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks for elaborating. Was there a cut-off point though?

        In the article you said you removed players who only played a few games, but here you say players that hadn't played the majority of the season. In my mind that's a range players who only played 3 games (AKA zero) to players that only played 18 games.

        Either way there could be players that only played 19 games in the analysis, and therefore had a lower average total points than players who played 38 games, right?

        I'm just interested to know, since there might be a difference between groups, which affects whether I commit the research to my Long Term Memory for later use!

        1. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          My notes are in the bin at work. I shall try and dig them out, Good Sir.

        2. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          There you go 🙂

          Defenders - £5.5m to £7.5m - sample: 36 players, minimum points scored 51
          Defenders - £6m to £7.5m - sample: 17 players, minimum points scored 57

          Midfielders - £5.5m to £7.5m - sample: 57 players, minimum points scored 30
          Midfielders - £6m to £8m - sample: 38 players, minimum points scored 38

          1. Deulofail
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Hihi thanks. I'm still asking about games played, though 😀

            1. FPL Virgin
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Sorry, I compiled the results from a spreadsheet version of this https://fantasy.premierleague.com/player-list/ There was no data for games played.

  9. diesel001
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    De Gea
    Kolasanic - Trippier - Cedric - Alonso
    KDB - Coutinho - Pogba - Eriksen - Ritchie
    Lacazette

    Elliot - Daniels - Fletcher - Quaner

    Can switch between 4-5-1 and 5-4-1 with Daniels / Ritchie. All players should be nailed to start and have attacking threat including from set pieces and/or penalties.

    1. Jonesfromthere
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Not having Kak or Kane would terrify me. Hate this, sorry.

  10. John t penguin
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    So pick wingbacks from top teams

    http://gph.is/1ILieMq

  11. Make Arrows Green Again
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Really good article. I have concerns about the methodology though.

    I know that you have adjusted sample sizes to make sure that only the regular midfield players were selected for the comparison. The problem is that there are still tonnes of midfielders who are in the mid bracket but who play rarely, if ever, are selected by FPL managers. This is because they tend to be average assets in average teams, or defensive assets in strong teams (Matic at Chelsea for example)
    If you choose all regularly playing mid-price midfielders for your sample size you are ignoring the fact that managers with a space in their team for a player of this price will only realistically choose from a handful, and the other players are irrelevant.

    On the flipside, the 6-7m defenders are almost all crucial to their teams and there are only one or two from a very small number of teams who have these. Those FPL managers who select 6-7m defenders have very few to choose from so ownership of a given player will be high. This means that a 6-7m defender is a special category and players in this bracket are more self-selecting.

    If you narrow the midfielder sample size to those 6-7 mids WORTH selecting, and who actually did see high ownership last season, the numbers would surely change quite significantly. For example, let's say we discount the Matics, the Puncheons, the Deulofeus, etc., and choose only the two most attractive 5.5-7.5m mids for each team. I can't remember exact prices from last season but you'd end up with players like Son, Phillips, Lanzini, Lallana, King, etc. etc. All of these scored either decent or excellent points over the course of the season.

    Does this not change the way your statistics stack up?

    I don't write this to criticise as I think the argument is valid and the methodology reasonably sound, but if we can tweak the process then we might get even more useful results.

    1. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Discount the Deulofeus? I only have one thing to say to you

      http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2017/07/17/scout-report-tiemoue-bakayoko/?hc_page=10#hc_comment_15889755

      1. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Good points though. I said a similar thing above 🙂 The methodology/analysis is just too shallow to be useful. (Sorry Virgin)

        1. Make Arrows Green Again
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Good post and I see that we have covered some of the same ground. I just took so blooming long typing it that you snuck in there first 😉

          1. Deulofail
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Haha maybe you could take a crack at the other articles like the Plexiglas Principle and From ‘Can’t Hit A Barn Door’ To Scoring Sensation. You seems to know things, so perhaps you could help with my questions on them.

            1. Make Arrows Green Again
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              Plexiglass in on my reading list, I'll have a gander at the other one too.

      2. Make Arrows Green Again
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        First I misspell your name, then I insult your face, then I discount your raison d'être. I am a horrible human.

        1. Deulofail
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          No, I am a horrible human 🙁 And I'm ugly.

          1. Make Arrows Green Again
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Nonsense. I'm sure Barcelona didn't buy you to actually play football for them. It must be for your image rights.

            1. Deulofail
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              New rat Mascot FTW

    2. Make Arrows Green Again
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Rereading your article, I realise should expand the 5.5-7.5m bracket in my third para to include your 6-8m bracket. Cheers.

    3. Jonesfromthere
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Very good point.

    4. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      That's a fair point and maybe it does skew the figures a bit. I remember the sample sizes being pretty even between 6-7 defenders and 6-8 mids and between 5.5 - 7 defenders and 6-8 midfielders, but I'm happy for the process to be refined. I was just using filters in an excel sheet of the player list to tot up points in the various price brackets.

  12. Shaw must go on
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    what about this bunch

    foster/fabianski
    lowe,dunk,cedric,trippier,lindelof
    M.Phillips,Ramsey,Kdb,t.Carrol.Pogba
    Kane,deeney,lukaku

    thanks for any opinions.... have a nice day lads

    1. Coys96
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      lowe > smith
      deeney > gayle
      phillips > willian

  13. The Tinkerman
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    The sample sizes aren't very big, and the budget mid options are much bigger than the premium defenders, so I'm not sure this analysis is very valid. Are you including a bunch of fringe players in the 5.5-7.5m mid bracket? because if so there is no shock that 6-7m defenders outscore that bracket on average. The 6+m defenders play almost every game. All of them, bar injury/suspension.

    A good amount of the 5.5-7.5m mid bracket don't play regular football, you should either limit it to the top performers in each category or switch to points per appearance. Maybe both would be beneficial.

    Might try this myself actually... I have a feeling this battle could be a key factor in success this year.

    1. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Good points! Someone should have pointed these things out earlier! 😛

      1. The Tinkerman
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Ah. Just read the article and started typing... should have saved myself some time! 😛

        I will probably do this myself though, when I get time. It's the key to formation choice for me.

        1. Deulofail
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Yeah I should start doing work instead of criticising others' 😀

          1. Make Arrows Green Again
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            You beat me. Again.

            1. Deulofail
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              😉

        2. Make Arrows Green Again
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          We're nearly there, with them, the clever, enterprising fellows and us, the grumpy old sods picking holes. Between us we will strike gold.

        3. The Tinkerman
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Disagree with some of the above comments though, I wouldn't include King (for example) in any calculation, because he is not in that bracket this year. I would only include players listed as premium defenders this year (with Milner/Moses points boosted to reflect what they would have scored if they were defenders last year) and select midfielder up to 7m at this years prices (and this years classification). Otherwise it gets a bit messy and doesn't necessarily reflect the current selection.

          1. The Tinkerman
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            midfielders*

          2. Make Arrows Green Again
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Not sure I agree with this, Tinkerman. The points analysis is necessarily retrospective. We can only go on the data we have. We weren't to know that King would be such a good option last season, and there is surely a King or a Mahrez in this year's crop waiting to be discovered. When they do appear, they will be priced reasonably and will fit into this bracket.

  14. diesel001
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Wanna go big up top and big in defence?

    Begovic
    Kolasinac - Trippier - Valencia - Alonso - Milner
    Mooy - Ritchie
    Lacazette - Kane - Lukaku

    Fabianski - Carroll - Chalobah - RLC

    Mooy and Ritchie on set pieces so may get points that way.

    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Whoa.

    2. 6thGoal
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Not enough coverage in the midfield. That is the problem with going 5-2-3 and including Kane as one of your forwards

  15. Coys96
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Opinions on this team and how can I improve:

    Forster
    Trippier Cedric Milner
    Alli Pogba Willian Zaha Ramsey
    Aguero Lukaku

    1. ChrisRambo
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      What's your bench like?

  16. MarceloSalasManUtd97-98
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Aguero may not be a starter for Pep, or may be prone to being taken off early. Expensive player not to be nailed on.

    1. Coys96
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      apart from that can i improve in any way?

    2. Lebowski85
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Potentially. Until i see otherwise though, he is gold

    3. The Mighty One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      You can say the same about Jesus and KDB: City will rotate a lot.

      You cannot say that about Kane, Lukaku, Laca, Sanchez.

  17. money face bandwagon
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    some things always hold true as i approach my 5th fpl season

    1) gw1 is luck based and team form & line up are unpredictable. Knowing that you have 15 starters after gw1 is already a victory itself. Focus on the structure of the team as you will always want flexibility to bring in players without taking too many hits. Also try to avoid doubling up on attackers unless you are very confident.

    2) there will always be bargains around to fit your budget, so no need to transfer early to save 0.1m. information is more important.

    3) premium players will always rise to the top and defenders will always be more value for money than midfielder/striker of the same price. but still 343 ftw

  18. Andy_Social
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Late to the party as usual. I've been touting my 5-2-3 formation since the day the season launched and have been putting forward Virgin's logic. A point some of you guys are missing is that yes, last season a few budget midfielders such as King and Lanzini emerged, but the point is none of us could have anticipated who they'd be and we had to catch the bandwagons after they started rolling. In contrast, these wing backs are pretty obvious. Somebody posted a sort of 'No shit, Sherlock' gif, but the point is if you stick to your old cliched 3 at the back, you miss out.

    An hour ago I would have told you I've invested 32m in my back line, but latest transfer news has just caused me to ditch Walker and Milner, and now I'm down to 30.5m (with 1m itb at the moment). I still have a front 3 of Kanekaku and Defoe, however.
    Early doors I was describing my pick as madcap, but a lot of posters are coming round and it doesn't look as leftfield as it did a week ago.

    1. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      It's fun to watch people progress from 3 at the back to 4 and then almost inevitably to 5. And then settle with 4 or 5. And others to be stubborn and stick to 3 because they are often firm believers than the formation will bring them more points (either by itself or by other attributes like 'flexibility').

    2. John t penguin
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      the gif wasn't mocking the concept, it was more the article conclusion was kinda 'the butler did it'.
      My thoughts on the concept is that you would need to analyse it along with the midfielders you replace the 6-8 mids with to be able to afford the big budget defence. As I assuming the trade off is you now have 3-4 cheap mids.
      So if normal plan was 3-4-3 with likely 1 big defender and mid priced midfielders.
      4.5-4.5-4.5-4.5-7
      7-7-7-4.5-9
      Compared to
      4-3-3
      6.5-6.5-6.5-7-4.5
      4.5-4-5.5-7-4.5-9

      Basicallly in this scenario two of the defenders and three mids will be the same, so it is really asking will 3x 6.5 defenders and

      1. John t penguin
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Sorry pressed too early
        ....A rotation of 3 cheap mids outscore 2 from 4 rotating cheap defenders and 3 x 7 mill mids.

    3. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Are you David Slade by any chance?

      1. David Slade
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I am David Slade. Nice article though. Its going to be very interesting in the 6.5 def vs mid options this season. Still favoring 3-4-3 at the moment. Reason why I think it is almost essential to cover this as it is the most flexible move. Play Tadic/Redmond for a few games then switch to say Walker. Having that extra 0.5 floating round seems very nice too. 6.5 def to a 7 mil mid that starts the season on fire would be solid too.

  19. ChrisRambo
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Couple of weeks from the article, but what about this

    Foster
    Alonso Walker Bellerin Milner
    Sterling Sigurdson Fabregas
    Rodriguez Aguero Lacazette

    Myhill T.Carrol Allen Mariappa

    1. pm17
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      invested really heavy on the defence...fab and sterling may nt be nailed on...not sure whether pep wants aguero or jesus up front

      1. ChrisRambo
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I like the idea of defenders being used as a point scoring option as opposed to the midfielders.... The non starters and rotations are a concern though and I agree with you, Aguero or Jesus not sure which one pep wants... Maybe a few more weeks

  20. Over Midwicket
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Which duo for the first few GWs? No cover for each team otherwise:

    A) Jesus + Kolasinac
    B) Lacazette + Kompany

    1. Over Midwicket
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Oops

    2. arndff_
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      B

    3. The Mighty One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      A

  21. TimeToCrankItUp
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    This is average .. can we get different quartiles? To check the spread of points
    Thanks for the article

    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      It'd be nice to pull actual FPL points into the members area to build tables and do this kind of analysis.

  22. Stig
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Walker or Milner?

    1. Conwhe
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I would imagine Milner would have more game time and presumably will still take the pens so I would go for him personally.
      Walker can't defend (my Spurs supporting mate keeps telling me) but is obviously got the assist effect.

  23. Buck Jones
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Interesting article. However, the logic is flawed. The premium defenders group must be first compared to the mid level and bargain group of defenders. The same for the midfield group compared to a group of midfielders the same amount more expensive as the defenders cheaper. The difference in goals, in other words what you gave up to get the premium defenders is the real test. If there were no positional roster limitations your analysis would be correct.

    1. Buck Jones
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      *correction...meant points not goals

    2. Norwegian
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      "what you gave up to get the premium defenders is the real test"

      This i exactly what I am thinking. By investing too heavy in defence, you might miss out on several of the highest scoring MIDs.

  24. Drip Doctor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Are cleansheets not hard to come by though, the bottom half have much better players than they used to. Look at Palace with Benteke, Cabaye, Zaha.

  25. fedolefan
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    We can't just compare a premium def to a mid-price mid, no? Shouldn't this comparison tally the sum of premium def and low-priced mid against the sum of a low-priced def and a mid-priced mid? It's how many points more than base value (say 5.0m for a defender) did a 7.0m defender score and how much more did a 7.0m mid outscore a 5.0m mid by?

  26. ponsio22
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    I know people have picked the article apart a little bit and I agree there are some holes. However, I partly agree with it due to the fact that mid-priced midfielders are hard to pick.

    I feel I am always chasing my tail trying to pick the in form midfielders at that price range, sometimes it feels like a bit of a lottery. Midfield players are usually valued at that price for a reason because they are not in form for very long (unless you're Riyad mahrez).

    Therefore, my thoughts have shifted to premium priced defenders simply because of the CS bonus and how much pressure is removed from those players. If they do end up assisting or scoring then you really are in the money!

    My team now looks like this after reading the article:

    Foster
    Trippier, kompany, lindelof, Cedric

    Alli, Willian, ince,

    Lukaku, lacazette, firmino

    Fabianski, RLC, stanislas, Daniels

    I feel much more confident now looking at my team. It also allows me to take a punt on players like Ince and Stanislas, knowing I have solid defenders in my back pocket.

  27. Miami Monkey
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    IMO this is a great strategy for a dead team, but I don't like it as much for a live team. Because I can rotate cheaper defenders based on fixtures and get the in form cheaper mids

    1. Norwegian
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Great point.

  28. pm17
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    any love for gabbiadini as a mid price forward given southampton's kind startin run?

  29. TFP
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    yeah, the averages are a bit misleading.

    but there is something in this, as shown by a much cruder and simpler analysis below.

    looking at forecast points totals [courtest of scout website projections] for sub 8.0 players, and the composition of the top 10 is:

    GK 2
    DEF 2
    MID 2
    FWD 4

    forwards dominate [king & rooney @ 7.5, deeney & gale @ 6.5]. the two defenders are trippier [utterly essential @ 5.5] & valencia [6.5], the two midfielders antonio [@ 7.5] & zaha [7.0]

    but then looking at the top 20, the story is quite different.

    GK 4
    DEF 8
    MID 3
    FWD 5

    lots of good defensive options in there - the above list plus Bailly, Alonso, Milner, Cahill, Azpi, and Toby A. clearly not obvious whether.

    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Thanks, fella 🙂

      I can't say for certain that premium defenders will outscore mid-price mids but it looks that way. To be honest further analysis is needed by people who are better with data than me!

  30. the Penman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Good article. The key for this is not just comparing 5-7m mids with 5-7m defenders, but also the 4.5m defenders with the 4.5m mids you'll use instead.

    So if you go 4-3-3 instead of 3-4-3, compare a 7m mid + 4.5m defender with a 7m defender + 4.5m mid.

    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Not necessarily. Consider a squad made up of:

      4.5 - 4.0
      6.5 - 5.5 - 5.0 - 5.0 - 4.0
      9.0 - 8.5 - 7.0 - 4.5 - 4.5
      12.5 - 11.5 - 8.0

      This is designed to be a 433 with the 4.5m mid as your first sub. If they downgraded the premium 6.5 defender to a 4.5m and upgraded the 4.5m mid to say Tadic @6.5m, then you're switching formation to 343. In that 343, your 4.5m defender is at best, a rotation prospect.

      1. the Penman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Yeah - I think my point was you're more likely to get a 4.5m defender who produces the goods for you than a 4.5m midfielder.

        However, chances are you'll be benching both of the 4.5m options whatever you choose, so what does it matter?