Selection

FPL Player List Analysis – Mid-Price Defenders

Following on from our assessment of goalkeepers and budget defenders, we now take a look at the mid-price defenders in Fantasy Premier League.

This covers those assets costing 5.0 or 5.5, with rotation pairings far less of a factor here – particularly at the latter price point.

Instead, we should be pinpointing assured starters that offer both the prospect of clean sheets and attacking points. Ideally, they will also be favoured by the FPL’s Bonus Points System (BPS), which boosts their bonus point potential.

The 5.0 Market

Sitting in 20.5% of squads, Bournemouth’s Charlie Daniels is the most popular defender in this price bracket and the second most owned overall.

There’s no shortage of competition in the Cherries’ back-four, though. Nathan Ake, Steve Cook and Adam Smith also boast a significant attacking threat and are identically priced to the raiding left-back.

Owned by 2%, Cook could be the dark horse. Potentially the likeliest to claim bonus, he registered more Clearances, Blocks and Interceptions (CBI) than any defender in 2016/17 and fired more efforts in the box than any defensive team-mate. He earned Baseline BPS – that is BPS without the inclusion of goals, assists and clean sheets – at a rate of one point every 5.3 minutes. That bettered any of Bournemouth’s other backline options last season.

Both Simon Francis and keeper Asmir Begovic are cheaper at 4.5, with Francis a possible option if he can retain a regular role.

Certainly, the addition of both Ake and Begovic should improve a rearguard that shipped 67 goals last term, though it’s Daniels who remains our preferred pick after scoring four goals and three assists in 2016/17.

Eddie Howe’s side offer three favourable home matches (WAT BRI LEI) and a trip to West Brom in the first seven Gameweeks.

Cedric Soares has the schedule to offer exceptional value over the opening months. He looks very kindly priced compared to his defensive team-mates at 5.0 and will face just one of last season’s top nine over the first 11 Gameweeks.

New manager Mauricio Pellegrino had a fine defensive record at former club Alaves in the previous campaign – they conceded just 43 goals, a tally bettered by just four other sides.

Ranked among the top four defenders for both successful crosses and key passes in 2016/16, we’re expecting Cedric to improve upon a meagre tally of three assists. Over 16% of FPL managers concur.

The caveat here is that Cedric is yet to make an appearance in pre-season. Handed an extended break following Confederations Cup exploits with Portugal, we need to see him turn out prior to the season to be fully assured on his prospects. On his return, we currently consider Cedric as the most sought-after selection in the 5.0 bracket with the edge over team-mates Maya Yoshida and Jack Stephens.

As mentioned in our earlier pair of articles, Swansea City and West Brom present us with a home/away rotation pairing over the entire season.

But with Baggies quartet Jonny Evans, Craig Dawson, Gareth McAuley and Allan Nyom all priced at 5.0, there’s perhaps no surprise that keeper Ben Foster has claimed a 19.3% ownership after being listed at 4.5.

With McAuley in the twilight of his career, we’re placing our faith in Dawson to profit from an excellent first few fixtures. Tony Pulis’ team host Bournemouth, Stoke City, West Ham and Watford and also travel to Burnley and Brighton in the opening seven Gameweeks.

Dawson won more headers (126) and fired more attempts inside the box (18) than any other West Brom defender last season – a key factor to consider given that they scored more goals from corners (16) than any other side.

If you’re not opting for Foster between the posts, Dawson’s obvious goal threat has huge appeal and he seems destined to claim a high ranking in our Watchlist ladder prior to Gameweek 1.

For Swansea, although the likes of Kyle Naughton and Federici Fernandez offer options at 4.5, the goal threat of Alfie Mawson can be worth the extra outlay at 5.0 as a ‘fire and forget’ option.

After cementing a starting role in Gameweek 15 last year, Mawson was joint-top for shots inside the box (22) among defenders and scored four times.

Burnley’s crop of 4.5 budget options could come in as handy rotation partners if you are willing to bench a 5.0-priced defender for tricky fixtures.

As we’ve stated previously, Ben Mee is our favoured pick here and pairing him with a West Brom defender would hand you a kind run of seven home matches (BOU WBA STK CRY WHM HUD WAT) from the off.

Crystal Palace also alternate kindly with the Clarets over the same period, offering a run that consists of (HUD WBA SWA CRY SOT HUD).

Scott Dann’s goal threat makes him our stand-out Eagles’ pick at this price point, though Jeffrey Schlupp is also listed at 5.0 and could be in the mix if he ousts Patrick van Aanholt on the left. That has been the case so far over the pre-season.

James Tomkins and Martin Kelly are both cheaper at 4.5, though, and are worth monitoring if they can claim a regular role. With Frank De Boer deploying a 3-4-3 system, there is every chance that either Tomkins or Kelly will get the nod.

Stoke City also alternate early on with Burnley side and offer a kind opening stretch (eve WBA wba CRY new HUD SOU WHU BOU NEW).

We’d back Ryan Shawcross over Erik Pieters at 5.0 apiece. The Potters’ number one for CBI, Shawcross fired 20 efforts in the box last year, despite scoring just once. Like Palace, though, there are cheaper possible options to consider, with Geoff Cameron (4.5) hoping to claim a role in central midfield. Both Glenn Johnson and Phil Bardsley will also vie for the right-back role and are available for 4.5.

Leicester City new boy Harry Maguire currently looks a more enticing pick than Christian Fuchs at 5.0.

Maguire was second only to Chelsea’s Marcos Alonso for shots in the box (24 to 25) in the previous campaign but found the net just twice. However, with Robert Huth injured, Wes Morgan – at 4.5 – grants us an option to rotate home/away with Newcastle’s budget picks over the 38 Gameweeks instead. Danny Simpson also comes in at 4.5 if Maguire claims a centre-half berth in Huth’s absence.

The arrival of Marco Silva at Watford could boost the prospects of Jose Holebas and Daryl Janmaat, though there are a host of 4.5 picks – including their respective goalkeepers – potentially offering the value route instead.

It’s a similar situation at West Ham, with the arrival of Joe Hart as a 4.5 option diminishing the appeal of Jose Fonte, Winston Reid, Aaron Cresswell and Pablo Zabaleta. The Hammers schedule – with four away trips in five Gameweeks – also gives us time to revisit their prospects.

Huddersfield Town’s Tommy Smith is the only promoted defender with a price over the 4.5 mark. Four goals and 10 assists in last season’s Championship underlines manager David Wagner’s penchant for raiding full-backs, though the Terriers’ defence looks far from resilient.

Elsewhere, there are a number of options among last season’s top six that could yet factor in our thinking, but for now, there’s too much uncertainty over their pitch time.

Arsenal’s Rob Holding, Per Mertesacker, Gabriel and Kieran Gibbs may struggle for minutes, although Holding seems the likeliest to benefit from the 3-4-2-1 formation.

Phil Jagielka’s pitch-time at Everton also seems in doubt after the arrival of Michael Keane, while elsewhere on Merseyside, Mamadou Sakho surely needs to leave Liverpool to remain a viable option – as evidenced by his displays for Palace last time out.

Over at Manchester United, Phi Jones seems a peripheral figure and Luke Shaw will need to somehow find his way out of the treatment room and convince Jose Mourinho of his merits before he can come into consideration.

The 5.5 Market

Kyle Walker’s switch to Manchester City opens the door for Kieran Trippier to finally claim a regular role in a Spurs team that produced 17 clean sheets last season.

Trippier is the most popular defensive pick in this price bracket – selected by 19% of FPL managers on the back of five assists in just 12 appearances (six starts) last time out.

His quality of delivery from the flank is highly impressive. Despite playing a mere 566 minutes, he created more big chances (five) than any Spurs full-back last season, averaging a key pass every 43.5 minutes.

Indeed, his propensity to create chances significantly boosts his BPS potential. His baseline BPS numbers are hugely impressive, with the left-back gather a point every 4.4 minutes.

With the rest of Mauricio Pochettino’s regulars all sitting in the premium bracket, the former Burnley man is likely to thrive going forward in the wing-back system. However, Ben Davies also comes in at 5.5 and could start the season on the left if Danny Rose remains sidelined.

Spurs are also blessed with an eye-catching opening schedule, facing just two of last season’s top eight in the first eight Gameweeks.

Victor Lindelof is our pick of the bunch from a list of five Manchester United defenders (along with Chris Smalling, Marcos Rojo, Matteo Darmian and Daley Blind) at a price of 5.5.

The summer signing has proven a popular pick, too. Currently backed by 15.8%, he could also be in the pecking order for direct free-kicks following the departure of Wayne Rooney and Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

Lindelof is expected to claim a place alongside the pricier Eric Bailly in the heart of a defence that matched Spurs’ 17 shut-outs and also offers a very favourable run to justify that level of investment – United face just one of last year’s top six in the first eight rounds of fixtures.

However, his pre-season form has been far from convincing which has dented confidence somewhat.

Given United’s potential for early clean sheets, Bailly or Antonio Valencia currently appear more secure options and could eat back into Lindelof’s ownership before Gameweek 1.

Everton’s new boy Michael Keane is another with considerable backing.

Over 13% have already invested, despite the Toffees’ tough opening schedule. Ronald Koeman’s men face Man City, Chelsea, Spurs and Man United in the first five Gameweeks.

Nonetheless, we feel that Keane’s eye for goal could still profit – 22 efforts in the box was sixth-top at the back in 2016/17 and seven more than new team-mate Ashley Williams.

Keane and Williams both offer serious CBI potential – they placed third and fourth for this metric last time out and look an ideal partnership as Koeman seeks to improve upon a total of 13 clean sheets.

Over at St Mary’s, the appeal of both Ryan Bertrand and Virgil van Dijk undoubtedly suffers from Cedric’s kind price tag.

The duo bettered the Portuguese for points per match in the previous campaign, with 4.4 and 3.6 to 3.4 respectively, yet our quest for value keeps Cedric as the main man for now. There’s also no doubt that Van Dijk’s expected departure will have a detrimental effect on their clean sheet count.

Arsenal’s end-of-season switch to a wing-back system impacts on our assessment of Nacho Monreal and Shkodran Mustafi.

Mustafi offered a considerable close-range threat last term. Despite scoring just twice, he sat joint-sixth with Keane for efforts in the box among defenders.

Essentially though, if Hector Bellerin and Sead Kolasinac look nailed-on as wing-backs, paying just 0.5 extra could be the sensible move for those looking for a route into the Gunners’ defence.

We’ll be keeping an eye on Joel Matip should Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp rotate his full-backs to cope with European fixtures this season.

The pricier James Milner is our preferred pick thanks to spot-kick duties, but with new boy Andrew Robertson added to the mix as a natural left-back, it remains to be seen whether Milner’s security of starts will hold firm. Certainly, at 5.0, Robertson could turn heads if he can cement a regular role but it’s too early to tell whether he can make an immediate impact.

He may have scored just once last year, but Matip produced 24 efforts in the box– just one fewer than Chelsea’s Marcos Alonso at the summit. That threat makes him a more appealing option than Dejan Lovren and Nathaniel Clyne for those reluctant to shell out 6.5 on Milner.

Man City’s defence failed to convince last season, although it’s worth noting they conceded the fewest shots of any side.

New keeper Ederson hardly covered himself in glory during the recent defeat to Man United, while faith in John Stones and Nicolas Otamendi is similarly thin. All three sit under the 5% mark, with the premium-priced Kyle Walker boasting 18.7% ownership after arriving from Spurs.

Elsewhere, Palace’s Patrick van Aanholt now looks overpriced at 5.5 in the light of De Boer’s summer teamsheets. However, should he eventually oust Jeffrey Schlupp at wing-back, there’s no doubt that the Eagles’ system boosts the Dutchman’s appeal. He is a proven threat in the attacking third having scored 11 times in the last two seasons.

There’s next to no chance that you’ll be splashing 5.5 on a Stoke defender, although the impact of Kurt Zouma’s switch to the bet365 may force a reassessment. If Mark Hughes moves to a three-man defence and operates with wing-backs, the likes of Pieters, or even Johnson or Bardsley, could be the main winners here.

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  1. PvA
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Over 1m players registered with 2 and a half weeks left until kick-off

    How many players do you think will play this season?

    1. makaveli123
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      4.9 million

  2. SMOOTH
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    any FFS draft leagues?

    1. Yes Don
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Get one started slick!

    2. Bauer Shower
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      83191-23577
      starts in 4 mins

      1. FPL ZB
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        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Full sadly

    3. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I'd be up for it too. You found any yet?

  3. nobwak
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Think I prefer Mendy to Walker tbh. Hope he's 6.0.

    1. Randell
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I would prefer whichever is cheaper

    2. Eze Really?
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Why?

      1. nobwak
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Crossing is better.

        1. Eze Really?
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Who could he rotate with? I lose it when trying to work out Pep's sides.

          1. nobwak
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Well at the moment I believe he's their only senior left-back so... nobody!

  4. Randell
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    IF Sanchez doesn't leave - a short horror story ?

    1. Eze Really?
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      A lot of surgery to draft squads for sure.

      1. UnitedFan
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Really? Hard to see how he'll be worth 12.0 as he'll be playing out wide. Lacazette will probably offer more value.

        1. Randell
          • 11 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          you're right about him playing wide, however I think I might be one of the few that doesn't think that Lacazette will hit the ground running, Rooney and Defoe will probably out score him

          1. UnitedFan
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            I doubt Rooney and Defoe will outscore him over the season.

        2. Eze Really?
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          The Irony is he score points no matter where he plays.

      2. Randell
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        can't see any way I can bring him in without at least 3 transfers, and it would leave my team looking like s*** anyway

  5. Totti
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    is hunemeier is nailed on?
    any suggestion for nailed defender 4 million?

    1. HALFSPACE
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      None

      1. Totti
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        thanks 🙂

    2. TokyoRisingSun
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      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      None of the 4m defenders are nailed.

      1. Totti
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        thank u 🙂
        what about a 4 million nailed goalkeeper? does he exist? 🙂

        1. TokyoRisingSun
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Potentially Elliot.

          1. Totti
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            thank u 🙂

    3. SW6
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      There isn't any. I've gone for Marriappa in hope

      1. Totti
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        and goalkeepers?
        does any nailed goalkeeper with 4 millon ?

    4. Randell
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      the best you can hope for is an injury to the main defender, like when Ben Davies was at Swansea and Neil Taylor got injured, everyone jumped on him

      1. Totti
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        hmmm
        it needs some time 🙂 and after waiting might not happened 🙂

    5. bojack
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I always get a non-playing one and just leave them there until a DGW.

  6. Scotty B
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Best 4.0 GK if I have De Gea?

    1. Eze Really?
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Elliot

    2. OldBenKenobi
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      a lot of ppl going with Elliot

    3. Pdrpro
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      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Elliot could be a starter

  7. Hazardouss
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Haven't been following too closely, I know aguero is royalty but has he been showing signs this preseason??

    1. Jonesfromthere
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      No. But he's nailed based on Pep's comments about wanting to play him and Jesus together more often.

      1. 32chickens
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        • 13 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I am a citeh fan
        never trust pep

        1. 32chickens
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          so why do i grav maureen?
          well he's top fun and a top manager

        2. DantheManinaPan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Why do you have Mou in your grav...?

      2. MarceloSalasManUtd97-98
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        City Players, I avoid.

        I avoid all City players at the moment as the squad is too big and Pep drops players on a whim. De Bruyne, Aguero, Jesus being his more nailed on players are still likely to be left out of games and for their prices and how it affects my overall team having one of them in, I just don't have them.

        De Bruyne to me, with any other manager but Pep, would be the first name of my fantasy team.

    2. DantheManinaPan
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      • 10 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Only played 45mins as far as I'm aware, against a far more well-prepared Man Utd - was barely involved

    3. TokyoRisingSun
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      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      City only played one match so far so hard to judge. He's in my team atm based on price alone.

    4. Hazardouss
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      cheers all i'm keen on him purely because I think city will win the league

  8. Jamie_GAWA
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Any draft leagues I can join?

    I'm active,finished in the top 20k last year if that means anything

    1. FPL ZB
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      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Set one up for half hours time then post the code on here a few tines. Should work.

      1. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Yea Count me in

    2. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Yea I will join one if you do create one as well.

    3. oli7
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I'm in also

  9. PvA
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Over 1m players registered with 2 and a half weeks left until kick-off...

    How many players do you think will play this season?

    1. DantheManinaPan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Over 4m, based on last year's total

      1. Randell
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        a lot of them are "weekly fake accounts"

        1. DantheManinaPan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          True

  10. Bored Bear
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Clearly the best time to use the Free Hit chip is Gameweek 1.

    WHO'S WITH ME?

    1. UnitedFan
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Agreed.

      1. UnitedFan
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I'm kidding by the way. No bites 🙁

    2. Tommytour
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Optimus should use this tactic, always WCs GW2

  11. Chris_White
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Hello all!

    Do we think United will start off the season with 3 at the back?

    (Been out of the loop until today, just came home from a month long holiday)

    1. Jonesfromthere
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      no

      1. Chris_White
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Hmm, not so keen on Valencia then. Lindelöf had a shocker last night I heard? 5.5 would be a steal if he starts

    2. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Nope.

      1. Chris_White
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers TRS

  12. TokyoRisingSun
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts on this Kane-less team folks?

    Begovic. Elliot.
    Alonso. Trippier. Cedric. Daniels. Goldson.
    Mane. Eriksen. Willian. Zaha. Carroll.
    Aguero. Lukaku. Quaner.

    Definitely a risk going without Kane, but the 1m saving has helped me beef up the rest of my squad IMO.

    1. Chris_White
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Like it, but Aguero has to be a questionmark at this point, no?

      1. TokyoRisingSun
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Slightly, but Aguero and Jesus played together at the end of last season and I'm expecting them to do so again. I just feel that Aguero at 11.5 is such good value, and I expect City to be the top scorers in the league this season.

  13. MarceloSalasManUtd97-98
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Utd's "Friendly" with Real has made me tear up my Utd plans.

    Before last night, I had Lindelof as nailed on and was happy with his 5.5 price, I also had Rashford up front with Lukaku as part of my starting eleven for the season.

    After last night, I've got major doubts over Lindelof now, who to me can't be nailed on with his pre-season performances and will very likely be competing with Jones and Blind to start alongside Bailly.

    Bailly last season was the best centre back I've seen in the Prem, so I've now dropped Lindelof and upgraded to Bailly for the extra 0.5.
    I did consider just picking a different 5.5 from another team, but with the Utd fixtures, I wanted to keep that one Utd defender.

    This has meant getting rid of Rashford, as he's the only player I can consider dropping/ downgrading from my current first team 11. So he's come out and Austin is in for now, I'm not comfortable with Austin at all though.

    Part of the Rashford decision was also, I've no idea who Mourinho will start come start of the season, I was set on Rashford, but then Martial went on his run and I thought it's just too up in the air, also with Perisic coming in possibly. So Rashford is out, for now.

    Pogba was a player I'd considered in midfield, but I'm not sure how attacking he will be allowed to be. If Utd play that two man centre mid, Pogba will likely be in it, and I'm not paying 8.0 for a player who has restraints on.

    1. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      "Bailly last season was the best centre back I've seen in the Prem"

      😆

      1. Prokoptas
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        That was my favourite line too...

        1. UnitedFan
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          +1

      2. MarceloSalasManUtd97-98
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        He's almost in the world class bracket. Great pace, positional play, strength, reads the game well, leads by example, makes almost no mistakes, good passer.

        PS- Berbatov had a fantastic hair transplant and his forehead is much less prominent now.

        Peace

      3. bojack
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        He had nowt on Phil Babb.

    2. Lanley Staurel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Whats your position with regards Lukaku?

    3. MarvelouSuccess
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Just get Bertand or Tripper for 5.5. Both have solid fixtures and an attacking threat.

  14. Jamie_GAWA
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    How likely is Coutinho to be rotated over the first 5 weeks?

    1. joelber_7
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Extremely unlikely.

  15. Stats Don\'t Lie
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Wow, didn't realise you could only parttake in one draft league per account!

    1. PvA
      • 7 Years
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      Really? Genuinely didn't know that lol

    2. FPL ZB
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      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      you can have up to ten per account

  16. DDG the United cover?
    James H
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    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    I never seriously consider starting with a premium GK, but if there's uncertainly surrounding Lindelof's start heading into GW1, does de Gea come into contention?

    - Bailly offers strong bonus point potential, but little if any goal threat.
    - Blind/Darmian could rotate at left-back.
    - Valencia looks too much at 6.5 given last season's production. Don't think Mourinho will start with wing-backs.

    So de Gea and Dawson - 10.5

    or

    Foster and Bailly - 10.5

    The fixtures look too good not to have any United defensive coverage.

    1. GE
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Good point actually! 🙂 tempted by De Gea now 😉

    2. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      How's DDG's goal threat these days?

      1. nobwak
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        About the same as Bailly and Lindelof's...

        1. Deulofail
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          So don't buy any of them. Surely that's the conclusion. Not buy a different one. He'll get more saves than the defenders, but other keepers will get more saves than DDG.

          1. nobwak
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            For me, I look for clean sheets from my defenders first and foremost. Any assists, goals or bonus point after that are a bonus. I reckon lots of other people view it that way too.

            1. Deulofail
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              We're talking about GKs. James H is trying to justify buying DDG because the other United defenders are not great options. I disagree with the logic

              1. nobwak
                • 8 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                Forgive me, but when I mentioned Lindelof and Bailly and you then said "so don't buy any of them", I assumed we we're talking bout Manchester United's defenders and GK.

                1. Deulofail
                  • 8 Years
                  6 years, 9 months ago

                  Forgive me, but when you said, "About the same as Bailly and Lindelof's..." I assumed you were justifying James H's point that DDG is the best GK pick because he is either cheaper or more nailed than the other defenders, and with the same goal threat.

                  1. nobwak
                    • 8 Years
                    6 years, 9 months ago

                    Yeah sorry - I was kind of implying that if you're not buying a United defender for a goal-threat, but more for their clean sheet potential - then their goal threat is borderline irrelevant. DDG is cheaper than Bailly and probably more nailed than Lindelof, so if you want a way in to United's expected clean sheets then he actually isn't that bad an option.

                    1. Deulofail
                      • 8 Years
                      6 years, 9 months ago

                      Yeah fair point. In regards to how you pick defenders, I actually tend to do it the opposite way. I look at players I think are the most likely to score attacking points, and then factor in how good or bad their defense is very roughly like good, medium or bad, because CSs are just too hard to predict. The likelyhood of a team to score goals via their defenders is equally, if not more, important for me than covering CSs.

                      I guess our different methods could greatly affect, not only the way we both pick players, but the way we think about FPL, and the combinations of players we're likely to pick. And I suppose that's a good thing for the game.

                      1. nobwak
                        • 8 Years
                        6 years, 9 months ago

                        Yeah it's great that there's so many different ways to play the game - formations, budget allocation, even prioritising defenders method of securing points it seems!
                        For the record though, I don't have DDG haha.

                      2. Deulofail
                        • 8 Years
                        6 years, 9 months ago

                        Good for you! Haha!

                      3. Twisted Saltergater
                        • 14 Years
                        6 years, 9 months ago

                        Such a "bloke" discussion. Starts off as a disagreement, then aggression with a touch of sarcasm, and ends with you sucking each others egos lol

                      4. FPL Kangaroo
                        • 6 Years
                        6 years, 9 months ago

                        hahah this is brilliant

              2. James H
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                6 years, 9 months ago

                I'm just floating the idea out there - as I said, wouldn't normally consider a premium GK.

                Just believe De Gea and Dawson could well outscore Foster and Bailly before a wildcard any time over the opening six or so Gameweeks.

                Obviously dependant a lot on how the rest of your defence shapes up etc.

      2. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        😛 I still say buy the better value, which in that GK slot is probably a cheaper options than DDG. I'd be frustrated come GW5 that I couldn't afford someone because I have more money tied up in GK slot than necessary. But that's not gospel; you may well be right. Sounds like the reason to buy DDG for anyone, though, is coverage.

      3. PvA
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        How is Foster's goal threat?

        1. Deulofail
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Good point if it were relavant! 😀

          His goal threat is about the same as DDG's. The difference is that you HAVE to cover GKs by picking 2 GKs. You don't have to pick United defenders.

          1. PvA
            • 7 Years
            6 years, 9 months ago

            Your point was the one that was not relevant. The OP's post was saying you can get the same clean sheet coverage of WBA and Utd, but get the goal threat of Dawson over Bailly.

            You just compared de Gea and Bailly which was not his point at all.

            1. Deulofail
              • 8 Years
              6 years, 9 months ago

              He said he wants defensive coverage, and decides DDG might be the best option by comparing him to the defenders. Not sure what you're reading into it that I can't see. He doesn't actually mention West Brom. Foster is just a default cheap GK as far as I can see. But even if he was talking about Brom, he's made a decision based on covering United. Bailly's value is worse than DDG's because Bailly won't score goals (+ 2 more comparisons).

              I don't see how it's irrelavant to point out that DDG's price is also unjustified.

    3. kalmoffit
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      The first season I played with an expensive keeper. I wrote to complain how can Norwich keeper be getting more points?
      Basically it's stupid points allocation system.

      1. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        You should have read the rules people you picked 🙂

    4. HNI
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Think Bailly is only way forward for us now as DDG was 13 in saves made last season thanks to good defensive performers in Manutd backline...Valencia will be rested before every UCL match so not long term...Lindelof seems a good choice after a year or so when he settles...Bailly Europe ban makes him the most obvious Manutd cover

      1. Flynny
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Thinking ddg maybe for united s good opening fixtures.

        And then to downgrade to a cheaprr keeper that makes more saves in the wildcard...

    5. shirtless
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Thing with DDG is who you have as a back up in case of injury, so a 4.5m playing keeper means you've spent 10.0m, 1.5m more than Foster/Myhill.

      Foster/Myhill/Baily = 14.5m.

      DDG/4.5/Dawson = 15.0m

      So you pay 0.5m for Dawson's goal threat, instead of Fosters likely superior save points tally. It's a close call!

      1. James H
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        Yeah, fair point. But everything is provisional at this point - hope Elliot is the first choice at Newcastle - appears they may not get a big name GK.

        Bit of a calculated risk otherwise - hope De Gea doesn't get injured/suspended over first 4/6 GW before the inevitable early wildcard is activated!

  17. GE
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Suggestions please for the 3 Xs? 🙂 Max 14.5.

    Foster
    Trippier/Cedric/xxx/xxx
    DeBruyne/Alli/Willian/Zaha
    Kane/Lukaku

    Bench: Elliott, xxx, T. Carroll, Quaner

    1. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Daniels.

      1. GE
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        And? 😉

    2. DantheManinaPan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Aké for definite, maybe Dunk + Yedlin for the other two and bank £0.5.

      Or you could try doubling Soton with Bertrand + 4.0 though not my personal preference

      1. GE
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Like it!
        You prefer Ake over Daniels?

  18. Winston.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    A. Kane and Ramsey/Zaha
    B. Jesus and Coutinho ?

    Thanks.

    1. joelber_7
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      B but only just. Kane is a slow starter going by past seasons. I'll probably eat my words after 2 hat tricks in a row now haha

  19. We Will Klopp you
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    If Morata offers me any signs of success in the remainder of pre-season i'd be very tempted to go with this, Lukakuless but the midfield makes up for it imo

    Foster/begovic
    Trippier Daniels Cedric
    Stanislas Eriksen Salah KDB
    (K)ane Morata J.Rodriguez

    Subs - Elliott Lascelles T.Carroll Long

    1. Postbox12
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Not a massive fan of Stanislas or Kdb. I'd go Willian and Sane instead. If there's .5 left over upgrade Cedric to Bertrand

      1. TokyoRisingSun
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        Don't think Bertrand is worth 0.5m more than Cedric.

      2. We Will Klopp you
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        KDB is a consistent, fixture-proof machine capable of hauls, Sane is unpredictable, City could score 5 and he is capable of blanking, if City score 3 I would be certain KDB would be involved. If Cedric doesn't look like starting the season then I'll see how I can make up the 0.5m. Willian is a short term option.

    2. Postbox12
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Cedric probably won't start at the beginning of the season. He's missed their previous season tour due to extra confederation cup rest

  20. PvA
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    How do people even find Ville Ronka's team every season?

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Everyone searches one page of teams. Teamwork makes the dream work

      1. PvA
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        That's some dedication

        Is he in the FFS league?

      2. kalmoffit
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I'm doing p357 this year

        1. Prokoptas
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Wait, really? I could have sworn that was mine.

        2. Deulofail
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 9 months ago

          Me too. They assigned you a "helper"

    2. bigbudgie
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Just ask him
      https://twitter.com/VilleRonka

  21. bigbudgie
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Is Salah this seasons OOP goldmine? Playing in the front 3 and interchanging with Firmino often...

    1. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Too early to tell. I've gone with Mane.

    2. Jonesfromthere
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I've got him. Looks some player.

  22. passdpuck
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Which is better?

    Foster / Elliot
    Trippier / Rangel / Alonso / Daniels / McAuley
    Sanchez / Loftus-Cheek / Phillips / Alli / Redmond
    Lukaku / Firmino / Gayle

    OR

    Alonso > David Luiz
    Sanchez > KDB
    Firmino > Kane
    Gayle > Abraham

  23. JoeSnowUK
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Most nailed City attacking midfielder that's not KDB? I want to downgrade him to save money on my team, is Sane most nailed?

    1. cravencottage
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Probably but its Pep- he could have KDB in goal!

    2. kalmoffit
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      Silva?

      1. JoeSnowUK
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I just don't know now, they have too many creative mids.

  24. shearer9
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts on this team? Other than Arsenal, I think I have strong attacking cover for the top five teams, and a solid defence to match it.

    Foster (Myhill)

    Lindelof Cedric Trippier Bellerin (Mariappa)

    Willian Coutinho KDB (RLC) (Carroll)

    Lukaku Kane Gayle

    1. cravencottage
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      keep an eye on Lindelof

    2. shearer9
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I could swap Alli for KDB and Aguero for Kane, but what would I do with the extra 1.5?

      1. Judders
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 8 months ago

        If you're swapping Alli for KDB I would go Kane to Jesus and then upgrade RLC to Ramsey so you have Arsenal mid coverage.

        1. shearer9
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 8 months ago

          It's a fair point, I did start with Ramsey. However I'm not convinced Ramsey will be involved enough attacking-wise to provide good cover, which is why I went for Bellerin instead.

        2. shearer9
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 8 months ago

          Can I ask what your current draft is?

  25. IWR
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    A) Begovic Dawson
    B) Foster Daniels/Ake

    Same same?

    1. JoeSnowUK
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      B with Daniels

    2. Space Cadete
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 8 months ago

      Was contemplating this myself. Think Daniels has the most consistent attacking threat from those defenders so B.

  26. cravencottage
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    Kompany or Bailly?
    Kompany offers more goal threat, while Utd perhaps more clean sheets.

  27. boc610
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    not enough tumbleweed gifs available to illustrate Spurs lack of action in the transfer market.

    1. IWR
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      lol

    2. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      What action do Spurs need to take though?

      Lloris
      Dier Toby Vert
      Trippier Dembele Wanayama Rose
      Alli Eriksen
      Kane

      They'll sign a backup for Trippier. If they rush then they will get the wrong player in. Surely more important to keep their team together and get used to playing on a Wembley pitch.

      1. JoeSnowUK
        • 6 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        I agree here, overall they have a very solid team and need a few backup options only.

      2. boc610
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 9 months ago

        they got second in the league but got humiliated in Europe. Im amazed they are that confident in their squad. as attractive as the football has been there hasn't even been a cup final under Pocchetino. far from the finished article. I agree you need the right player but at this moment in time What back up is there if kane is injured? Eriksen? Ali?

  28. diesel001
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    A) Hart / Elliot GK rotation with Aguero; or
    B) Foster / Heaton GK rotation with Jesus

    Assume Elliot is nailed for this.

    1. Totti
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      B

    2. JoeSnowUK
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I think Darlow is preferred in goal for them.

  29. Totti
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    RMT plz:
    cech (elliot)
    alonso trippier bertrand simpson mee
    Mkhitaryan coutinho willian RLC carroll
    kane lukaku austin

    1. JoeSnowUK
      • 6 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I'd downgrade Cech and Alonso, upgrade Elliot for a rotational pair of 4.5 GK's (Foster and Fabianski have exact Home Away rotation all season) Alonso to maybe Daniels then upgrade RLC or Carroll, very lightweight midfield.

    2. Postbox12
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 9 months ago

      I'd keep Alonso but bin Cech for Begovic and move Mkhi to Alli

  30. JD @JDCochran2
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 9 months ago

    If you won your league I have a Champions League

    Code to join this league: 329170-92222