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African Cup of Nations Reminder

There’s no doubt that the upcoming African Cup of Nations looks a little easier to plan for Fantasy managers this time round. The qualifying campaign was filled with shocks aplenty- Egypt, winners of the last three tournaments, were omitted, as were the likes of Cameroon and Nigeria, sparing several key Fantasy assets from leaving these shores over the winter period.

The tournament is due to kick off on January 21st but FIFA rules means that the participants can call up their players fourteen days prior to the opening match. Given that the final is not until February 12th, this potentially means players could be absent from domestic duties from gameweek 21 to gameweek 25 inclusive.

Group Stages– 21st January to 1st February
Quarter Finals– 4-5 February
Semi Finals– 8th February
Third Place Play-off, Final– 11-12 February

The initial group stages don’t finish until 1st February, meaning any players involved can be expected to miss out until gameweek 24 at the earliest- this kicks off on 4th February, though whether any Premier League managers will rush their players back is debatable. Gameweek 25 starts on the 11th February and is perhaps the likeliest return date for those eliminated early.

With gameweek 26 not until 25th February, any players who may reach the final will have almost a fortnight before the next league game comes around but with the possibility of a 5 match absence looming over some, we take a look at the clubs most likely to be affected and the knock-on consequences:

Arsenal

Arsene Wenger will rue the loss of Gervinho on the left of his front three. The Ivory Coast star has started 10 of the last 11 games since returning from suspension and has established himself as a major player in the Gunners first XI as the season unfolds. Marouane Chamakh also departs to star for Morocco but given he’s started one league game all season, won’t be much missed at the Emirates.

Likely Beneficiaries
Andrei Arshavin perhaps seems the most obvious option to step into the left of the Gunners front three in Gervinho’s absence. The Russian started all three games when Gervinho was suspended at the start of the season but with a single goal and no assists to his name after 513 minutes, to say he’s disappointed is something of a grand understatement. Yossi Benayoun could come into the frame as well, though it’s noticeable that Wenger has yet to start him since his loan move from Chelsea.

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain could be an outside bet. He possesses the pace and directness of Gervinho, whereas the aforementioned duo are perhaps more intricate in their build-up play, while Chu-Young Park can play across the front three and may be in line for some game time, though he has yet to play in the league thus far.

Possible Absence– swa, MUN, bol, BLA, sun

Chelsea

The Blues will need to make do without Ivory Coast pair Didier Drogba and Salomon Kalou. While the latter’s absence will have minimal effect, Drogba has established himself as the number one centre forward of late for Andre Villas-Boas’ side, having started the last four league games in a row. With Nicolas Anelka leaving for pastures new in January, the options up front are further restricted. Although Ghana have qualified, Michael Essien won’t be going- Andre Villas-Boas confirmed this only yesterday, as the player continues his recovery from a cruciate ligament injury.

Likely Beneficiaries
Step forward Fernando Torres. The Spaniard looks set to have the platform and game time to demonstrate his capabilities and a run of matches may provide the springboard his shattered confidence desperately needs. Romelu Lukaku also comes to the fore as a back-up option while Daniel Sturridge, despite his protestations, will remain wide right.

Possible Absence– SUN, nor, swa, MUN, eve

Manchester City

Robert Mancini will bid farewell to Yaya and Kolo Toure, as the brothers head off to represent Ivory Coast. While the latter’s departure will have minimal disruption to the first XI, Yaya’s loss is, arguably, the biggest blow for any of the Premier League clubs. The only outfield player to start all fifteen of City’s games, his importance to the City cause cannot be underestimated.

Likely Beneficiaries
City’s strength in depth and the versatility of the likes of James Milner affords Mancini a few options. There’s always the possibility of Nigel De Jong filling in alongside Gareth Barry but, if Milner gets the nod in central midfield, the game time of Samir Nasri and Adam Johnson on the flanks could be set for an increase. Mancini also cited the acquisition of Owen Hargreaves during the summer as a potential back-up plan for Toure’s departure, though whether the former United man will steer clear of injury is perhaps another matter.

Possible Absence– wig, TOT, eve, FUL, avl

Newcastle

Alan Pardew’s side will be without two of their most influential players, with Cheik Tiote and Demba Ba turning out for Ivory Coast and Senegal respectively. Tiote has, of course, been absent for some time now with a knee problem- his last appearance was back in gameweek 9 but has a chance of returning this weekend against Swansea. Ba has been a Fantasy sensation so far this season- the fourth-top scoring forward with 92 points and will be a significant loss, given his current 21.7% ownership and cut-price value of 7.2.

Likely Beneficiaries
Dan Gosling slotted in alongside Yohan Cabaye in central midfield at Norwich last weekend and although he is due to serve a three-match suspension following his dismissal against the Canaries, will be available from gameweek 19 onwards. Danny Guthrie is currently sidelined with a groin strain and is unlikely to appear before the 15th January. Pardew has recently hinted at a possible start for Mehdi Abeid in midfield, with Alan Smith also a possibility.
Leon Best looks the likeliest benefactor up front. Pardew has preferred Hatem Ben Arfa alongside Ba of late, but Best seems in pole position for a first-team start. The likes of Shola and Sammy Ameobi also come into the equation, with Peter Lovenkrands an outside bet.

Possible Absence– QPR, ful, bla, AVL, tot

QPR

Both Adel Taarabt and Armand Traore will be missing for Neil Warnock, heading off to represent Morocco and Senegal respectively. Taarabt’s loss will have a minimal effect at best; no goals or assist, no game time since gameweek 10, there’s every chance he wouldn’t feature even if he was available. Traore’s versatility will be missed, though; the former Arsenal man has featured at both left-back and on the left wing under Warnock and has bagged a couple of assists since his summer move.

Likely Beneficiaries
Tommy Smith started on the left wing last week at Liverpool, though Shaun-Wright-Phillips has also started there a couple of times this season. At the back, the likes of Clint Hill and Matthew Connolly may be afforded a chance to make their mark as part of the defensive unit.

Possible Absence– new, WIG, avl, WOL, bla

Wigan

Roberto Martinez will also have to make do without Mohamed Diame, who will represent Senegal. His absence will clearly have a significant effect- he’s started all but one of the Latics games and is a crucial component of the first XI.

Likely Beneficiaries
Diame’s absence looks like good news for Ben Watson. Having previously started every one of the first eleven gameweeks, the latter has found himself out of favour of late and has failed to play a single minute since in a run that has seen Wigan record 2 wins and a draw in the subsequent 4 games. James McArthur is another option for Martinez, with David Jones and James McCarthy looking nailed-on for the other two places in the midfield three.

Possible Absence– MCI, qpr, tot, EVE, bol

691 Comments Post a Comment
  1. dreamteam12
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Not the most fashionable of defenders I know, but is anyone considering Tony Hibbert? A nice run of fixtures upto the double fixture and only 4.8....

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    1. Ravenkbs
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Just traded him in myself. Very cheap way into Everton's defense who have a nice run of fixtures coming up.

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  2. Frazek
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    I normally wouldn't waste anyone's time over a (c) question, usually the answers are contained in the poll, but this week is a bit trickier, I find. I don't have any of the current top 4 (Ba, Ade, Roonster, Nani), so my highest ranked option is Studge, followed by RvP.

    I had been heading towards DVD, but I'm a bit concerned by his lack of form/gam,e time recently, and with so many FPL players shipping him, his mere appearance seems a differential enough. Studge is a reasonable option, but I'm not liking RvP away MC this week. The other, controversial, choice as I see it is Baines, how could quite possibly get a CS plus pen/assist etc.

    So, what does the wisdom of the crowd suggest?

    Studge
    DVD
    Baines

    Or a different order of merit? My thanks in advance for your carefully considered views. 🙂

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    1. Fratboy
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Baines (obviously haha), but if you aren't a punter then Sturridge or VDV, in that order for me.

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      1. Frazek
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Hmm, but can your advice be trusted Frats, you little wind-up merchant. 🙂

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    2. aztec76
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      captain sturidge sir for my money

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      1. aztec76
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        need help who should I start drente or sessengon

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        1. Frazek
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          Cheers Aztec. I would say Drenthe, in answer to your quandary, if he plays that is.

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    3. @ImpressiveTackl
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Baines(c)

      Mark went for him as his big hitter in the podcast as well I think.

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      1. Frazek
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Well that's a red flag if ever I read one, IT. 🙂 Cheers fella, may well go that way.

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  3. Pigs in Blankets!!!
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Who to keep of Allen or Dyer?

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    1. piers
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Allen. Dyer's lost his place.

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    2. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      If your buying snap up Gower instead

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    3. sla9sa
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Allen - Dyer is out of favor and is likely to be arrested again as he goes on another crime spree!

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  4. andres
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Jones
    Jose enrique
    Vermealen
    Simpson
    Richards
    Drenthe

    Pick 4 to play… Or 2 to bench;)

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    1. Fratboy
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Bench Richards and Simpson

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    2. TLK42- Dutch Wolfhound
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      if you are want more chance of a cleanie bench verm and richards. if you want goals and assists bench enrique and simpson. i would go for the 2nd

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  5. Bunji
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Apparently O'Hara has been ruled out?! WHAT

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    1. Bakra
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      u heard it

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    2. Bubbles
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      APPARENTLY O'HARA HAS BEEN RULED OUT.

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      1. Bakra
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        lmao

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    3. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      he's out for a month with 4-4-2itis

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  6. Freshy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    CHE vs NAP I think is more difficult than ARS v ACM

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    1. Fratboy
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      agreed

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    2. AP
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      You don't get out of a group with Bayern, City and Villareal without being a serious team.

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      1. @ImpressiveTackl
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        +1

        Napoli are a great footballing side with some top individual talents in attack i.e. Lavezzi, Hamsik and of course Cavani. I expect Chelsea to have a very tough time of it.

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  7. applebonkers
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    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    lol tosey on the everton forum asking about drenthe:

    tosey
    "soooo do we think he will start? ie should i have a punt on him to score?"

    Arteta10
    'kinell lad! Just wait for the team to be announced before you put your bet on, simples"

    might have to come clean and say it's for your fantasy team 😉

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    1. tosey
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      more likely to get info if they think you're one of them 😉

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    2. Bubbles
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      😆

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    3. jamsiep
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      loooooooooooooooooooool

      Just say that you'll be at the ground with a shitty mobile phone, so can't make the bet then.

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      1. tosey
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        ive done the transfer now so just wont bother replying to him

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        1. Daniel - The Veteran
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          LOL 😀

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  8. Gubborr
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Got Jarvis and Drenthe in my starting line-up but subs are whether injured or likely to start on the bench. Should I consider a hit since I need to get rid of them at some point ?

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  9. Bakra
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    wow i just realised the price plummet if vdv doesnt score this weekend. uh oh

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    1. TLK42- Dutch Wolfhound
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      aaaaaaaah!!! grav change

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      1. @ImpressiveTackl
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Is that actually Bullard's real face? Scary.

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  10. Koofax
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    team for the week:

    krul (al-habsi)
    enrique, vermaelen, r.taylor
    silva, vdv, nani, drenthe
    ade, rvp, yakubu
    (subs: moses, naylor, gabbidon)

    who would be good C, looking for the differential. Maybe yakubu or vdv? Any other suggestions?

    Thanks! 🙂

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  11. Dave Bauer
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Wow, just when I was cursing going for Jarvis over O'Hara. Could end up being a very smart (and lucky) move.

    When are we likely to get clarification on Baines, does anyone know? That fourth booking could make my decision a lot easier.

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    1. Demí
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Hopefully an article will be published on it soon.

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  12. jamsiep
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    I wonder when, or if, people will start getting rid of RVP?

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    1. Dave Bauer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Hmm, can't see it for a while, aside from an injury.

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    2. Bubbles
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      When I was driving home just now I came up with a master plan of getting rid (although I'd have required balls the size of space hoppers to actually press confirm), then realised I was about £1.5M too short for my plan. Guess he'll have to stay.

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      1. jamsiep
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Imagine the glamour of it coming off though... Assuming he's rested in one of the home games over Christmas (the QPR game is likely considering it's two days before Fulham away), he has:

        mcy avl WLV - ful

        ..over the next five.

        Getting rid of him for Sturridge/Ba frees up a ludicrous amount of funds.

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        1. Bubbles
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          Him being rested for one of the great fixtures was in my thinking. The incredible flair of it tempts me, massively.

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          1. jamsiep
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 6 months ago

            Problem is that I got him in at 11.9, so would effectively 'lose' 0.7 on him when I inevitably get him back in the second wildcard.

            I'm pretty sure it isn't worth getting rid, not at all in fact. We'll just have to wait until he gets injured.

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            1. Bubbles
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 6 months ago

              Yep, same here. The money is the real problem. Just had a look at one I can afford and RVP + Dyer out, Sturridge & Mata in can be done. Tempting. Very, very tempting. Time to study those fixtures!

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            2. Goose
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 6 months ago

              Then you have the problem of how big the injury is and didnt make an amazing recovery last year when he was meant to be out for a while?

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          2. AP
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 6 months ago

            Getting rid of him would seem like genius until he slaps in another brace and the 3bp too. Then you'd be weeping into your keyboard.

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            1. Bubbles
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 6 months ago

              This is unfortunately true. Plus then everyone on here would be gloating away that he got a massive score which would make it even more horrible.

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              1. AP
                • 9 Years
                7 years, 6 months ago

                Yup. Unless he's injured taking him out is lunacy, unless someone else becomes as consistent for far less cash.

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              2. @ImpressiveTackl
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 6 months ago

                Like when Vorm saved a penalty last week and it is mentioned a 1000 times on this board, the podcasts, everywhere! when some idiots left him on the bench.

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    3. SackWenger
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      this week

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      1. jamsiep
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Yeah? I can definitely see the logic. Are you doing it yourself?

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        1. @ImpressiveTackl
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          With his username and suggestion of RVP out this week, could this guy be the worst Arsenal fan in history?

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          1. SackWenger
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 6 months ago

            I support the club not the manager. The Van Persie call relates to a fantasy football game.

            A harsh assessment Mr Tackle.

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        2. SackWenger
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          RVP out and Sturridge(C) in. The Wigan game looks perfect for him and I see Chelsea scoring 4 so he should be involved.

          Away to Man City is a tough game for RVP and away to Villa won't be as profitable as people think with a very defensive Villa side under McCleish (we could win but 2 goals max). Boxing day is the day that RVP will do well and is a great captain, but I have Rooney who can match RVP that day at home to Wigan. After that there is two games two days apart and for me RVP will miss the home to QPR and play away to Fulham.

          All in all, I'm not saying that RVP won't perform in the next 5 games, but I see Sturridge doing very well (Impressed by his last two league performances) and I have Rooney as other captaincy options in the xmas period. By bringing in Sturridge it also releases 5.6m for the defense and midfield and I'll finally release Ferguson from duty to get a full squad for the hectic schedule.

          It's not a straightforward decision and could end up going wrong, but I'm 494th at the moment and I'm going all out to win it.

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  13. ClaireT
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Who to bench out of this lot? Simpson, Gower, Ward, Drenthe, Brown

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    1. ClaireT
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      PS) Choose three, I'm thinking Ward, Brown and either Drenthe/Gower?

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  14. MrJefferson
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    vorm
    simpson,enrique,jones
    silva,bale,nani,walters
    rvp,ade,sturridge(c)

    ruddy,sess,richards,wilko

    0.3 in the bank,save my transfer, have i benched the right players?

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  15. Blue Moon Rising
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Team:

    Vorm Westwood

    Brown Vermaelen McAuley SImpson Jagielka

    Bale Silva Larsson Walters Allen

    RVP Sturridge Aguero

    2 frees 1.4 mil in the bank.

    Want to get rid of Brown, Westwood and possibly Ageuro

    No utd players allowed

    Advice?

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    1. Retro
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      No Utd players allowed by whom?

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      1. Blue Moon Rising
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        My religion.

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    2. Blue Moon Rising
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      How about Westwood to Krul and Ageuro to Ade?

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      1. aztec76
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        what u guys think of this team

        Hennessy
        Jones, Enrique,Walker
        DREnte, Bale, Silva, Mata
        Yakubu, aguero,Sturidge(c)

        sess,ward, simpson
        1.4 in the bank no transfers

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  16. Goose
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    RE my earlier post: http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2011/12/16/african-cup-of-nations-reminder/comment-page-1/#comment-2367726

    Sorry i disappeared. Tosey it is from GW 21 to the end of the season.

    It worth baring in mind when you are playing your wildcard in January, because some of the Problem Gameweeks do occur in the wildcard window. So if your planning to play it late, say in GW24 then you might miss a couple of problem gameweeks making certain rotations better than others.

    Also its worth noting that in some of the rotations, say Newcastle/Sunderland for instance, 2 of the 6 Problem Gameweeks are the last 2 of the season, so you could pick this rotation then just switch one of the defenders for say a Wigan (bla,WOL) Wolves (EVE, wig) or Stoke (qpr, BOL) defender for the last 2 weeks.

    As i mentioned i like the Fulham Stoke one, with Fulham out the EL and Stoke soon to be, both sides rotate fairly well but most importantly both are traditionally strong at home and capable of clean sheets.

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    1. tosey
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      fulham stoke is pretty expensive tho unless shotton baird senderos etc nail down a spot

      between 22-29 id be happy playing 3 fulham every week apart from 1 so i may just pick 3 qpr players to cover the week i wont play the fulham lot

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      1. Goose
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Fair enough, makes sense i suppose, glad i put in all that work 😉

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        1. tosey
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          haha tbh me and u have probably spent the same amount of time working it alol out! very handy for others tho and good of you to post it all

          if i use back-to-back WC's over jan then itll definitely be of interest!

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          1. jamsiep
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 6 months ago

            I'm going to study the fixtures to death when I play my January wildcard. I normally love doing it, but haven't spent nearly as much time focusing on the fixtures this season.

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          2. Goose
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 6 months ago

            Ha, yeah i thought id done that work so why not share it. This back to back WC intrigues me, how would u actually use it tho?

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  17. Bazman returns
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Silva to Mata madness or not? I also have nani and VDV but can't get rid of either those 2 or should I?

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    1. MrJefferson
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      i was thinking of the same move, but ive had him from the start,can sell for 10 but kills me that it will cost me 10.5 to get him back, which i most likly will wnt to do at some stage

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      1. Bazman returns
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Yeah I know. I could get rid of VDV as have Ade but just can't get myself to do it.

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  18. Ancelotti's Eyebrow
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    What's with that weird Baines yellow card issue? The last thing I want is a 8mil defender on my bench at home to Swansea :\

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    1. Bubbles
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      There's a clue on the NEW POST.

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    2. Acer
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Likewise! I checked the CC matches and no yellow cards for Baines. Only cards he has received this year are in the prem. As far as I can tell he has only 3 cards not 4.

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  19. NANI screamer screaming !!!
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    what if captain and vice captain both doesn't plays ??

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    1. Bazman returns
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      No double points.

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    2. Acer
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      = screwed ! That is where the emergency captain was a big help. It will cause massive issues if snow causes mass cancellation of matches.

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      1. Senile Delinquent
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Just check with Metoffice and the only snow forecast is light showers over Yorkshire and Brum areas. later today.Nothing tomorrow or Sunday.

        If they remember to switch on the under soil heating and the staff clear the access all matches should go ahead. But any info to the contrarary from round the country would be welcome.
        Well not welcome but useful!!!

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        1. Senile Delinquent
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          checked

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  20. adams_6
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Captain Dilemma this week.
    Rvp. Lamps. Sturridge. Silva. Ba?

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    1. Bunji
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Sturridge

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  21. Bunji
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Richards to Jagielka, O'Hara to Walters.

    Have I gone mad or are they acceptable? Jags' fixtures look great until the Jan WC, but I still don't know whether it's worth offloading Richards.

    What do you guys reckon?

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  22. Bakra
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    NEW GRAVATAR! #WIN

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  23. Dale Cooper
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    RVP has been on the same scoring streak since January, but as far as I remember his ownership in FPL 10/11 was nearing 15-20% with him being Ł2-3m cheaper depending on the timing of transfer. Why do you think right now he's in 1/3 of all Fantasy Football teams? Did that 15-20% of people playing RVP in their teams last season equalled the whole group of players still interested in the game?

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  24. HuttonDressedasLahm
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    There is a post, that is new......

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  25. SLIQUE
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    #Advice Please#

    Sup Guys,
    im in a Huge Dilemma and desperately Need Advice...

    My Squad is

    Vorm _ Ruddy

    Jones _ Jose Enrique _Vermaelen _ TaylorR _ Richards

    Mata _ Nani _ Silva _ Bale _ Ferguson

    Ba _ Van Persie _ Yakubu

    Question 1: Who do I Bench?
    Queation 2: Who do I (c) & (v) ?

    any advice would be Greatly Appreciated...

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    1. udit
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Er.. bench Vermaelen, Raylor , Ferguson, Ruddy
      Captain Ba
      VC Bale

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