Technical Area

The Technical Area – Assessing Coutinho’s Reds Return

A return to the Liverpool starting line-up for the first time since Gameweek 4 last weekend failed to produce the Fantasy points for Philippe Coutinho. With the Brazilian installed wide left, Brendan Rodgers moved from 3-4-1-2 to 4-4-2, allowing the winger to drift inside and dictate matters centrally.

In this latest Technical Area article, we cast an eye over last Saturday’s Anfield encounter and assess Coutinho’s role as the Reds prepare for a favourable run of games. With showdowns against Hull, Norwich, West Ham and Cardiff in four of the five fixtures directly following their Gameweek 12 trip to Goodison, Rodgers’ side are handed the chance to continue the form that sees them sit just two points off the summit.

Average Positions – Liverpool Gameweek 11 and Coutinho 2013/13

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Coutinho Av Pos 2013

Looking at Liverpool’s average position map (left) in the 4-0 mauling of Martin Jol’s men, it’s clear to see how much leeway Coutinho (10) had to impose himself in the middle. While Jordan Henderson (14) played a more conventional role on the opposite flank, the Brazilian continually shifted inside to find possession and was as central as Daniel Sturridge (15) when on the ball, allowing Luis Suarez (7) the chance to push forward and wreak havoc on the visitors’ defence.

Compared to his previous average positions for the season (right), Coutinho’s role against the Cottagers was very similar. Crucially for Rodgers, the Brazilian’s first four Gameweeks were on the left of a 4-2-3-1, with Suarez still suspended at that point in time – the fact that Coutinho still found so much time and space playing with a front two, as opposed to a lone forward, bodes well for Liverpool’s attacking potential, then.

Although Rodgers has talked up the Brazilian’s chances of a role in “the hole” in a 3-4-1-2, it’s noticeable that, in all of the five games Coutinho has started, Liverpool have played with a back-four – indeed, even his second-half introduction in the previous Gameweek’s defeat at Arsenal saw Rodgers move to 4-4-2.

Coutinho Gameweek 1-4 Versus Gameweek 11

TchsTchs Final 3rdPass Rcvd Final 3rdSucc Pass Final 3rdChances CrtdTchs BoxShotsShots Box
GW1-461.830.514.212.21.522.80.8
GW111126336352994

Coutinho’s Gameweek 11 performance, in comparison to his four appearances prior to sustaining a shoulder injury at the Liberty, is hugely encouraging for his owners and would-be Fantasy suitors. Certainly, the stats should be taken in context – Liverpool averaged 48.4% possession in those first four fixtures, whereas on Saturday, a dominant display allowed them 68.4% of the play.

Nonetheless, in his first appearance in the same side as Suarez this season, the upturn in overall performance is marked. Coutinho had 112 touches of th ball at the weekend, a massive improvement on his 61.8 beforehand. His number of touches in the opponents’ final third more than doubled (up from 30.5 to 63), as did his passes received (14.2 up to 36), while the number of successful passes made in this crucial area almost trebled; a total of 35, up from 12.2 beforehand.

In spite of his time on the ball, Coutinho’s creativity remained relatively similar – he produced 2 “key passes” against the Cottagers, just up on his previous average of 1.5. Goal potential, though, is another matter entirely – his total of 9 touches inside the area was more than he managed over the first four Gameweeks altogether, with an average of 2 per appearance. Coutinho fired 9 attempts on goal in the 4-0 rout – once again, this is a huge improvement on 2.8 per game – whilst his close-range menace saw him register 4 shots inside the Fulham penalty box, up from 0.8 per appearance beforehand.

Such a significant upturn can be partly put down to Fulham’s defensive stats, though. Prior to last week’s encounter, Jol’s side were second most porous for shots inside (99) and outside (83) the box; faced with such a weak opponent, Liverpool were always likely to run riot – indeed, Rodgers’ side registered a total of 32 shots in the 4-0 win.

Liverpool Attack Versus Fulham

TchsTchs Final 3rdPass Rcvd Final 3rdSucc Pass Final 3rdChances CrtdTchs BoxShotsShots Box
Coutinho1126336352994
Suarez81643123620107
Sturridge352315101643
Henderson1064840316331

While Fulham’s dismal display undoubtedly affected Coutinho’s stats, a comparison with his team-mates is perhaps the fairest way of assessing his performance in context. The move to 4-4-2 allowed Henderson plenty involvement on the Reds right, with a total of 106 touches almost on a par with Coutinho’s 112. Inside the final third, the Brazilian was on the ball more or less as much as Suarez, with 63 touches to the Uruguayan’s 64 – Sturridge, on the other hand, had just 23; less than half Henderson’s tally of 48.

Henderson’s impressive contribution is again highlighted with the number of passes received inside the Fulham defensive third – a total of 40 was more than any home player. While Coutinho (35) and Suarez (31) were again relatively similar, Sturridge’s peripheral performance saw him manage less than half his strike-partner, managing just 15 before being subbed off late in the second-half.

In terms of distribution in the final third, Liverpool’s wide men made exactly double the number of successful passes as the front two (66 to 33), with Sturridge again the weak link – he made just 10 against the Cottagers, less than half Suarez’ 23. Despite making more successful passes in this area than any of Rodgers’ main threats, Coutinho was left behind by Suarez and Henderson when it came to teeing up goalscoring opportunities for team-mates; the latter pair made an impressive 6 “key passes” apiece.

Inside the box, Suarez’ extraordinary display saw him make 20 touches – more than the other three combined – though what also catches the eye is that, in the trio’s first match together in the XI, Coutinho managed more than Sturridge, by 9 to 6. Suarez leads the way for shots, with a total of 10 but, once more, Coutinho proved superior to Sturridge, registering more than double the number of attempts (9 to 4) and also bettering the former Chelsea star for efforts inside the area, by 4 to 3. Yet again, though, Suarez proved superior to his team-mates with a total of 7 harvesting a couple of goals.

When assessing the overall impact, it’s obvious that Fulham’s dire defence played a real part in such an improvement. At the same time, though, Coutinho’s stats, relative to his fellow Liverpool players, bode well for future returns and clearly show the weekend blank was somewhat unfortunate.

The data merely emphasises Suarez remains a phenomenon and is head and shoulders above his team-mates but the fit-again Brazilian not only looks a real differential option for our five-man midfields (at 8.5 in Fantasy Premier League, with a 5% ownership) he may well prove an alternative to Sturridge as a route into Rodgers’ side ahead of that upcoming schedule.

*The Technical Area is put together using the statistics and maps available in our members area. For access to such data and tools on every player, team and match of the 2013/14 season, and for exclusive members articles like this, click here for details.

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925 Comments Post a Comment
  1. In Tommy We Trust
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Was talking about the merits of Coutinho earlier. Glad I didn't go daft and HT it 😉

    http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2013/11/13/scout-scribbles-van-persie-pulls-out-of-holland-squad/?hc_page=2#hc_comment_6016219

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    1. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      ITWT - you NEED to watch the games when it comes to Coutinho, he is the one player in the whole league whose stats are 100% deceiving. Not a single shot he took was remotely threatening, his passing skills are actually pathetic - he tries to pick a through ball but has a 2% success rate. I do agree that he will eventually pick up some points but certainly not at the rate the stats are suggesting.

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      1. GTS
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        a good reason why inter let him go?

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      2. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        I watch as much as I can mate but with a little one demanding Thomas and Friends whenever the TV is on it's a challenge.

        I get scout reports back from my Brother on Liverpool. Seems confident Coutinho will produce. It's just what level of production is the guessing part.

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    2. FPL Daniel
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      naahhh don't bother

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    3. GTS
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Hey I'm out on 50 quid!
      Awful GW.. knew I should have done the last minute transfer of suarez... 🙁

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Unlucky. Did try and tell you in the articles 😉

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        1. GTS
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Thought studge was enough.. Already did the upgrade now and it feels so late!
          When's the next competion? sign me up! 😀

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          1. In Tommy We Trust
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 5 months ago

            Depending how it goes, we may run one that will finish on GW38. Will let you know

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  2. FPL Mike the Knight
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    I'm just been doing a bit of digging into the stats of Sturridge and the most interesting thing for me is that even though he is a mile behind Saurez on almost all areas his stats on average have improved in key areas since the little Uruguayans return.

    Over the last 6 weeks he is joint 4th for goals scored, 3rd for attempts, 3rd for on target attempts, 3rd for penalty area touches. (I'll give you two guesses for who are in first and second on most of these! 🙂

    With a nice set of fixtures ahead I think it is worth sticking with the SAS.

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    1. Spoonerism
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      It's an interesting thought. I was using the RMT in the members area and none of the moves lead to more points apart from probably Aguero, who I don't want/can't afford.

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      1. GRIMANDI [formerly boring M…
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Why would you not want Aguero. He only slightly less essential than Suarez

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        1. Spoonerism
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          City too inconsistent away from home… but it's tenuous I'll grant you.

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    2. SkyByBo
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Sturridge Aguero Suarez ftw

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      1. FPL Mike the Knight
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        My front line exactly! 🙂

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    3. pompeyfan
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      the problem is we only have 3 striker spots, and since Suarez is involved in a lot of Liverpool's goals Sturridge is not really necessary

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    4. Whistle
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Im sticking with SAS for now. United have 3 hard fixtures, might re-assess when they are out of the way.

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  3. FPL Mike the Knight
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    What else I find interesting when looking at the stats is how the strikers that are taking all the shots are getting all the goals however the midfielders taking all the shots are most definitely not.

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    1. Spoonerism
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Eg Townsend? Lots of shots from outside the box, very low % efforts.

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      1. FPL Mike the Knight
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Arnie and Paulinho also.

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    2. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Watch Coutinho's shots -- they are pathetically weak. Not a single one of them is actually remotely threatening.

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      1. Van Dal
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Correct.

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  4. andres
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Wilson, whits => sess, mccauley (-4) ??

    Also tempted by luk to remy (c) (that would be -8)

    Migs (davis)
    Walker coleman williams (wilson chester)
    Ozil rambo lallana whits (jedinak)
    Lukaku roo suarez
    1 ft, 3.3

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    1. GRIMANDI [formerly boring M…
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      -8 is never good news in my book unless its a DGW. Especially for the players your talking of bringing in. They need to score atleast 6 point each before you at best break even.

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    2. money face bandwagon
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      imo not the best transfer tt i will make as u can cap rooney instead of remy so maybe can wait. lol but wilson is a non-playing defender and remy may well score >4 than luk..and not to sae remy has a few good fixtures ahead! looking at only next week of cos is hard to even..but if u are looking as a whole maybe its not too bad. dun be afraid of -8 if u sincerely believe it will be better

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  5. Koflok
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Considering keeping Lukaku now.. Damn this is hard.

    Form says Rooney, fixture says Remy but logic say Lukaku.

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    1. GRIMANDI [formerly boring M…
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Keep Lukaku for derby i say. But Rooney in a couple of weeks is a good idea

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    2. Camp No No
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Form says Rémy, fixture says Rémy, and only way that the logic did not say Rémy was that the justice also says Rémy in same phrase with word "guilty", without negations.

      Also still having Lukaku. 0 shots in last 2 matches. God awful.

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  6. Back to Back Ballacks
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Why is my comment under review for having the word b a s t a r d in it?

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    1. Blue Lion
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      oooooooo!

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    2. Jönny
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      because it's a f u c k i n g swear word

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      1. Back to Back Ballacks
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        it isn't

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        1. Jönny
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          You wouldn't say it to your granny though, would you?

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  7. Back to Back Ballacks
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Anyway, nice article, would like to see how Gerrard shapes up, looks like he's coming into a bit of form.... the b a s t a r d !

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    1. Jönny
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      He's on the list of people I genuinely considered last week, before chickening out and going for Ramsay, who produced the goods. See also Snodgrass, Lallana and (yes, really) Bacuna.

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    2. HVT
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Thought you were gonna call 👿

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  8. Matamatician
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Pick 2 for the next gw. Coleman, Turner(cardiff), Fonte

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    1. GTS
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      tough one.. Coleman and Turner. Home games persuade me..

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  9. Matamatician
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Benteke to Remy? Tekke is shite. Should've stuck with Remy 2 weeks ago!!

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    1. Jönny
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      He's not, but he is having a patch of poor form.

      It's probably a good move for now though, although not a priority.

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    1. pompeyfan
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Townsend has got to take a lot of the blame for that

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Well someone has too. I never saw some team being that wasteful in the past

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      2. Crouch Potato!
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        The manager instructs players on how he wants them to play, I put the blame at the AVB.

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Andre is shit. Hi 5

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        2. pompeyfan
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          AVB should take some blame. He plays 1 up front, and a real poacher at that, one who doesn't do much else in play. Their wingers should be getting crosses in for him, or at least just stretching the play wide so that their creative players like Eriksen, Dembele etc can create better chances than 25+ yards speculative pot shots that the likes of Townsend are taking

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          1. FPL Daniel
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 5 months ago

            Andre is shit. Hi5 mate. Wasteful manager

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            1. pompeyfan
              • 14 Years
              10 years, 5 months ago

              *leaves you hanging*
              Disagree entirely, you are seeing it from your blue-tinted spectacles

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  11. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Comrade ITWT

    Need a defender to replace Kolarov. Money no object, but ideally want someone with a decent goal threat, good CS prospects, who is nailed on.

    Anyone better than JT?

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    1. In Tommy We Trust
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Can you go short term Arsenal then a switch over to Baines in GW16? If not JT has the biggest goal threat from any defender but can the old legs play 3 times in a week and over the Xmas period? Sunderland and Swansea games look like resting spots imo

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        I could and that was the plan but i have Coleman, do you think it's worth a double up?

        Baines' stats don't look as good this season. 14 chances created compared to 47 this time last season

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        1. In Tommy We Trust
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          47 😯 I think I will have two Everton for that run.

          There's not a lot up there that interests me. Maybe dig yourself in rotations up to the WC. Spoilt for choice in that bracket

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          1. JK - Cønt ⭐
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 5 months ago

            according to the comparison tool yes.

            My plan was Mert or Kos to Baines, but without Baines i could keep Mert and have JT. With Baines I'm looking at a defender for around 4.5, can't see anyone bar Rat there so I'm left with

            Baines, Coleman, Clyne, Rat, Burner/Hull

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            1. In Tommy We Trust
              • 13 Years
              10 years, 5 months ago

              Don't fancy a defender from Newcastle? 5 home games in 8 and they seem to has some resolve about them now.

              Vertonghen instead of Baines if you have Coleman for your Arsenal move?

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              1. JK - Cønt ⭐
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                10 years, 5 months ago

                that could work. If i could afford a Newcastle defender I'd take on, but the only I can atm is Yanga, not sure how nailed he is. Debuchy is banned. Then again with Vert over Baines I could afford that

                But Vert is a GW17 move, on that basis maybe JT as Arsenal are away at City GW16, Chelsea are at home to Palace

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                1. In Tommy We Trust
                  • 13 Years
                  10 years, 5 months ago

                  You could pull the Vertonghen transfer to GW15. Sunderland away with Spurs' record or Everton at home with Arsenals'.

                  Don't get me wrong, JT is a good option. I'm just questioning his nailed-on-ness over a hectic period

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                  1. JK - Cønt ⭐
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 12 Years
                    10 years, 5 months ago

                    hmm, I think on this over the international break.

                    On the Newcastle one, it's when I can find a home, Williams is there atm, but I'm losing faith in him.

                    That being said, going Arsenal over JT allows me to sell B. Turner to Debuchy/Santon. Then I can move Williams on to a Hull defender

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            2. In Tommy We Trust
              • 13 Years
              10 years, 5 months ago

              Just ran that comparison on Baines. Jesus, that's a big drop off from last season

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              1. Dr Dream
                • 11 Years
                10 years, 5 months ago

                Massive...i spotted it a few weeks ago.

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                1. JK - Cønt ⭐
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  10 years, 5 months ago

                  Roscola put me onto it yesterday

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                2. In Tommy We Trust
                  • 13 Years
                  10 years, 5 months ago

                  Strangely it's the same with regards to Vertonghen

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                  1. JK - Cønt ⭐
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 12 Years
                    10 years, 5 months ago

                    But Vert has been playing a lb

                    Both are still picking up BPs though

                    I will monitor Spurs defence, if say, Chirches looks like an option I may go with him

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                    1. In Tommy We Trust
                      • 13 Years
                      10 years, 5 months ago

                      Option. Middle ground might be Walker. Just filtered the KPIs attacking to match our comparison and he comes out well. JT as well but at this point last season he wasn't involved regularly from memory.

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    2. Robe Wan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      I don't think so

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  12. GTS
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Fulham Football Club announced the appointment of Rene Meulensteen as Head Coach?

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      1. HVT
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Hey Don - have you looked at Brunts (WBA) stats ?

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Bargain of the season , explosion imminent

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        2. DonTheSpecialOne
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Yeah, quite amazing tbh!

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        3. JK - Cønt ⭐
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Where did you get those stats from HVT

          Brunt is a very frustrating player to own, you'll often find his points are on your bench

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  13. Van Dal
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    whats cut off for paddy cup?

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      If u own Brunt u pass automatically. Granny posted on the previous post

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      1. Van Dal
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        link?

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      2. HVT
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Clever only 0.2% ownership ATM , but I can see it around 10% at least by early dec , I'd say 3 price rises on the way ie 5.0 -> 5.9 should make up for those who missed Ramsey.

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Well he is even better than Ramsey also on set pieces and on penalties. No Brunt in your team you are not FFS lad

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  14. Lizard Lips
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone thinking wow, Koscielney at 5.3 bargain.

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Sagna 4 me

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      1. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Top choice...The quality of his crosses is going up by the week..

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          indeed, he put a couple of peaches at OT

          My worry on that is the lack of anyone trying to get on the end of them. If that had been Rafael or Evra at the other end, RvP or Rooney would have busted a gut to turn those in.

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Indeed, but prone to the odd error and red card.

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    3. Robe Wan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Yeah good deal IMO

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  15. Simon March
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Not that I don't appreciate them, but I can't remember the last time Paul wrote an article without using the phrase 'wreak havoc'.

    I think FFS should set up a 'cliche box' and charge him £1 every time... 😉

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    1. A.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      I hadn't noticed that, good spot

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  16. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Lukaku almost ~90% to fall. May have to act in the next day or two.

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    1. Colonel Klink
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      How much money in the bank?

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    2. HVT
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      What's wrong with these people ?

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        More goals for us. Let them sell

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    3. Jinswick
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Keep Lukaku imo

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  17. The Sarjeant
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Afternoon guys!

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    1. HVT
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Afternoon what's your favourite player to play for Southampton and are you thinking if getting Brunt in for his nice run over Sess ?

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      1. The Sarjeant
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        To play as in fantasy wise or real life? And I don't know. I'm 50/50 at the minute. I could upgrade El Ahmadi, bench fodder, to Brunt easily. But I'm tempted to downgrade a premium mid to Sessegnon.

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        1. HVT
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Both so ?

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    2. GTS
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Afternoon Sarj!
      wondering where's the follow up on your hot topic "Most attacking sides"?

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      1. The Sarjeant
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Ah yeah, I wanted to get it done this morning, but I haven't had time. I'll try and have a look later when I've finished work.

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  18. King Nil Miss ✩
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Isn´t this comparison trying to sell Coutinho a bit too much?

    In a game where Liverpool over dominated Fulham, wasn´t expected his stats to be good? Isn´t this too small a sample?

    I know what he did in the past with Suarez around and he is firmly in my watchlist but my main point is: isn´t it too soon to be bringing him in?

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    1. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      The article mentions that point on several occasions and it also compares Coutinho in relation to his team-mates who, after all, are playing in the same match against the same opponents.

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Still no cup cut off article...?

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        1. Mark
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 17 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Nope, Ed is in the Ukraine right now so it's hard to sync up and get the code sorted. Hopefully not long.

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          1. FPL Daniel
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 5 months ago

            Smart man. Ukraine 😛 is the best place to go for a international break. Well done Ed. Cheers, I respect you even more. You dooggg 😀

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      2. King Nil Miss ✩
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        It wasn´t my intention to diminish the article just thought I could gather some opinion whether people are thinking of jumping in now or wait a few more GWs.

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        1. Mark
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 17 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Sure...just wanted to jump on that because we were well aware of the small data sample and wanted to qualify it in case folk do get carried away 😉

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          1. Lizard Lips
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 5 months ago

            Coutinhos returns have been poor so far. Problem with quantitative data is that its no replacement for qualitative data. Look at Townsend, stats make him seem a hero, though to the footballing eye he looks like a polished turd.

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            1. Qubit
              • 14 Years
              10 years, 5 months ago

              Actually in that instance the stats do tell a story. The story is of nowhere near enough shots in the box (and other things too, but thats the main one)

              Paulinho is more of an anomaly. His shooting is clearly not great, but he really should have scored more goals than he has (his historical data backs this up) and I expect him to do so in the remainder of the season.

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              1. Lizard Lips
                • 11 Years
                10 years, 5 months ago

                He's knocking on the door. Once Spurs vodoo is lifted Paulinho and especially Eriksen will be on everyones shopping list, alongside Vertonghen (the mighty one).

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    2. In Tommy We Trust
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Potential for points is surely what were looking for. Yes it's a punt right now but a goal next week and the masses will flood in.

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      1. King Nil Miss ✩
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Indeed and I know this game is all about anticipation, I just can´t get that string of 3s in the beginning of the season out of my head...

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        1. In Tommy We Trust
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Think that was more down to Rodgers experimenting with formations, trying to shut the shop from half time and the lack of Suarez. Think it's completely different now with Suarez and what looks like a preferred 4-4-2 system.

          I'm onboard so i'm hoping its potential rather than poor finishing

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          1. King Nil Miss ✩
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 5 months ago

            Cheers, I hope you´re right he sure is a quality player.

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  19. Jinswick
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    To the evening crowd.....

    A) Toure -> Mert/GJ
    B) Mirallas -> Walcott/Hazard

    Toure is probably the priority to go, but I'm only really interested in GJ and Mert, and the former has 2 tough fixtures up first, whilst getting Mert would mean 3 ARS and therefore having to drop Ramsey/Giroud to get Wally in.

    Boruc
    Baines, Terry, Ward
    Nasri, Mirallas, Ramsey, Snodgrass
    Aguero, Suarez, Giroud

    Davis, Ravel, Toure, Clyne
    Bank 2.2m, 1 freebie

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    1. rohan
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      I'd do Toure > Gj and Mirallas > Hazard.

      Think you have held Mirallas for far too long now

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      1. Jinswick
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Canny afford that unfortunately.

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  20. Hobo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    How confident are you that Arsenal will bounce back from the defeat to ManU?

    Their next 6 PL games are SOT, HUL, EVE, CHE at home and CAR, MCI away. Not a nice run of fixtures imo, even though they have 4 at home they come against some tough defences. Away at Cardiff isn't an easy game and City away will be a nightmare.

    If they don't win or even worse if they don't score against SOT (best defence in the league) i can see the wheels begin to come off, confidence drops and the same old no balls Arsenal will return. 2 wins, 2 draws, and 2 losses looks very possible giving just 8 pts from 18 and ruining their season.

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    1. pompeyfan
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      very confident, they are at the top of the league for a reason, can see them brushing aside some of those teams, and with players to come back they will only get stronger

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    2. The Sarjeant
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      I'd love it if Southampton beat Arsenal.

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    3. Jinswick
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      I think we'll be fine. We just beat Liverpool and Dortmund away, and a 1-0 loss at OT isn't that terrible. Walcott being back will help a lot - Ozil and Santi can have all the creativity and passing ability in the world, but without a good runner/player with pace there's only so much they can do. I expect a big perfomance against SOT. 2-0 (Walcott, Giroud)

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      1. PlayPercentage
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        I can't see Walcott playing next week. He wasn't even in the squad for the Man U game.

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        1. Jinswick
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          I expect this had a bit to do with the internationals this fortnight....

          Walcott probably wasn't match-fit to play at old trafford, but he's been in training and with another 2 weeks of that and no international travel I'd be very, very surprised if he didn't feature against SOT.

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    4. stooshermadness
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      They look a different team this year. The issue for me is the lack of depth. 2 more CL games too. Sooner or later I think he is going to have to play Bendtner in the Prem to give Giroud a break.

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      1. Jinswick
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        This is the biggest issue, especially up front. Wally will be back for SOT and Podolski not far behind, so I think Giroud may get a rest in one of the games around CL. We simply have to buy a top class striker in Jan to have any chance of winning the title.

        Suarez very unlikely, Benteke a very decent 2nd best imo.

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        1. PlayPercentage
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          What about Dzeko?
          He knows where the goal is, given half a chance.

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          1. Jinswick
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 5 months ago

            Better than nobody, but I'd rather Benteke. Also doubt City will sell to us, and doubt Wenger would buy as he'd be cup tied for the CL.

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        2. A.
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Hernandez?

          He's being touted by the media, but I can't see Moyes selling to a title rival, especially if Arsenal are still top of the league or thereabouts

          Would take £25-30m for Benteke too, is he worth it?

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          1. Jinswick
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 5 months ago

            I think so. He's proved he can score against anyone, is an absolute beast in the air and is clinical. Very young also.

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      2. r0nh
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Theo can play upfront...

        Podolski is due back soon too.

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        1. The Finnisher
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Much rather Podolski up front than Walcott. Think Podolski and Walcott ahead of Ozil and Cazorla could be great.

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          1. r0nh
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 5 months ago

            Id be content with either of the above.

            People are just trying to create a drama out of nothing.

            They listen to the media, selling stories!

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    5. r0nh
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      😆

      If Arsenal only get 8 points from the next 18, then Liverpool would have to get 11 from 18 to overtake us.

      Chelsea would have to win all 6 to go 3 or 4 points ahead of...

      3 points of the top of the league heading into Christmas is hardly ruining our season!

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    6. The Finnisher
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      I think we'll be fine? It's not as if they got destroyed and this international break couldn't come at a better time for some like Ozil and hopefully Ramsey gets a rest too. 3 games in 7 days vs Liverpool, Dortmund and then United they looked wasted by the end of the game.

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      1. r0nh
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        2 wins & a 1-0 defeat at Old Trafford, from 3 tough games...

        How that is a tragedy is beyond me 🙄

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      2. The Finnisher
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        BTW Southampton "best defence in the league" is a bit far for me. Statistically yes obviously they are but they have played;

        West Brom
        Sunderland
        Norwich
        West Ham
        Liverpool (minus Suarez & Coutinho)
        Crystal Palace
        Swansea
        Fulham
        Stoke
        Hull

        They also played Man United but in fairness to Man United they were in poor form at the time. Southampton will prove themselves not to be pretenders if they do well over the next 6 weeks but until then I think calling them the best defence in the league is a bit OTT.

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        1. Jinswick
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Agreed!

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      3. GTS
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        true. 2 wins out of 3 and 3 home games on the next 4 they would be fine.

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  21. King Nil Miss ✩
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    I see people are still trying to get Brunted!

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  22. NED KELLY
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    I think Coutinho is a great player.. Now Suarez is back from his ban an the best striker in the prem . He will start bringing the points in now probs

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  23. rohan
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    The biggest decision of the week so far- to keep Baines or not..
    I'd like to have him back in Gw 16 for sure. So I'm tempted to hold him.
    But on the other hand, I have Townsend and Lallana (who I'm inclined to keep)
    Would have done Baines > Terry and Andros > Sess with my 2 freebies but now I'm tempted to use 1 and do Townsend> Amalfitano.
    Not a big fan of 2nd choice options but not much cash in the kitty either.

    😕

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    1. stooshermadness
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      I think you have to have a season long perspective on Baines. Two 170+ point seasons and averaging ~156 points over the last 4 years. Conceptually you have to think of him as a 6th mid. You either have to bite the bullet on his price and hang in there, or decide the extra 2.0M over, say, Coleman, can be used elsewhere. For my money, I'd drop Townsend. His shoot-on-sight 30 yard screamers rarely result in FF profit.

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  24. The Finnisher
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Christ Pepin, did Coutinho f**k your mother or something ? 😕

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      loooooooooollllllll. R u ok mate..?

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      1. The Finnisher
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        I'm fine The Special One.

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          Great to hear that mate

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          1. The Finnisher
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 5 months ago

            How are you handling the International Break? It must be tough for you!

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            1. FPL Daniel
              • 14 Years
              10 years, 5 months ago

              Veryryryryryryryr extremely tough !!! Can't stand it. Especially after that heartbreaking Tahiti exit

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  25. Phaze 1
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone like this plan for -4?

    Lukaku, Silva, Ozil ----> Aguero, Walcott, Cabaye

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    1. The Sarjeant
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      I wouldn't want to get Walcott until he's played a bit first.

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  26. Ahh! Sister Assumpta!
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Ill get the Xmas Grav rolling...

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    1. In Tommy We Trust
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Bit early. I'm surprised that we haven't Movembered up the gravs

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      1. Ahh! Sister Assumpta!
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        How do you get Glitter of your face??

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        1. Ahh! Sister Assumpta!
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 5 months ago

          MOvember it is!!

          Chinese, great bunch of lads!

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  27. JayBomb
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Does Ozil to Sess and Lukaku to Rooney makes sence over the next week or two. Already have Rambo. Or are Ozil and Rambo season keepers. Just hard to decide every week which one to play if you already can put out a decent team. E.g. missed out on Ravels points last week as I benched him because I could'nt decide wheather to play Ozil or Rambo so decided just to play both ??? Thoughts please cheers ????

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    1. King Nil Miss ✩
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      They seem like good transfers to me but for the next 3 or 4 not only 2 like you say.

      The thing is with Arsenal´s fixtures atm, you can wait and see who will step up his performances and get a nailed on place for the tough schedule that is ahead. You can then have a look at players like Walcott and a fit again Mertesacker.

      Özil is not essential for his price, imo.

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      1. JayBomb
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Cheers!

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  28. FPL Daniel
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Well in the international break you don't need to be in here. I will just tell you the summary.

    Brunt is soooo good fantasy pick, he from the space, that good.

    Keep sell Lukaka..??

    Coutinho blablabblalbalbalba

    Thank you and good night

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    1. GTS
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      you forgot the "how to put the christmas hat on my grav?" topic

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  29. thegaffer82
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    My MF looks like a dogs dinner. My DF has terrible fixtures (and Rio). im taking a 4pt hit.

    But I'm going to have the Kun, Suaz, Roon terrible trio upfront, so who cares 🙂

    Migs 4.0
    Rio / Terry / Shaw
    Lamps / Oscar / Rambo / Barkley
    Kun / Suarez / Lukaku

    Bench Whitts Dawson Chester
    1FT 1.3 ITB

    Lampard > Morrison
    Lukaku > Roon

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  30. r0nh
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 5 months ago

    Any team that loses 1-0 at Old Trafford, should sack their manager!!!

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    1. The Finnisher
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 5 months ago

      Chelsea drew 0-0 but they'll still probably sack their manager!

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Jose was very lucky last weekend.

        We all know what happens to Chelsea managers that lose to West Brom

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      2. r0nh
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 5 months ago

        Yet they are still 4 points behind us

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