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The Optimal Dead Team Squad 2014/15

The Optimal Dead Team Squad (ODTS) is the 15-man squad that is chosen in Gameweek 1 and remains in place, with no management in terms of transfers, wildcards, captain changes or bench changes. All changes that take place are automatic, such as vice captains replacing captains when injured. In previous seasons the ODTS  has often put Fantasy managers’ efforts to shame by registering a score that could have won the Fantasy Premier League (FPL).

With this in mind I wanted to look to see if this year’s ODTS was good enough to take on 2014/15 FPL winner Simon March.

According to analysis by FFScout regular Ludo the 2013/14 ODTS would have beaten that season’s champion Tom Fenley. However, my calculations suggest that 2014/15 was the year the dead team was left in the shade by the week-by-week tinkerings of a Fantasy manager.

Creating the ODTS

How do we work out the 2014-15 ODTS? We need players who score a lot of points  and are good value for money.

The FPL Overall Dream Team (which contains all the highest total points scorers in a valid formation) is a good place to start:

Fabianski (SWA) 151

Ivanovic (CHE) 179 – Terry (CHE) 177 – Jagielka (EVE) 142

Hazard (CHE) 233 – Sanchez (ARS) 207 – Silva (MCI) 191 – Cazorla (ARS) 168

Aguero (MCI) 216 – Kane (TOT) 191 – Austin (QPR) 176.

Most of these players were well ahead of their rivals on total points, and it was only necessary to downgrade three of these (Lucazs Fabianski, Phil Jagielka and Santi Cazorla) in order to bring it within budget.

This is probably easier than usual because of the success of the two bargain forwards Harry Kane and Charlie Austin, and because no club had more than three players in the Dream Team.

Captaincy: The best combination was Sergio Aguero (C) & Harry Kane (V). Aguero missed five Gameweeks (16-20), and Kane scored 48 points before doubling in these, which beat Hazard’s 44. Hazard only missed one Gameweek, so would have been a less effective captain. The Costa (C) & Aguero (V) combination scored slightly more but was far too expensive.

Goalkeepers: Fabianski/Tom Heaton (166 points for 9.5) was a good try, since Burnley man Heaton scored 15 points in the only Gameweek that Fabianski missed. And Heaton with any old 4.0 (150 points for only 8.5) was good value.But Costel Pantilimon/Heaton (173 points for 9.0) turned out to be the bestm option. Sunderland stopper Pantilimon scored 123 in only 27 Gameweeks, and Heaton scored 50 in the other 11.

Defence: Branislav Ivanovic and John Terry’s high scores place them firmly in the ODTS. In the search for a third defender the choice is between Phil Jagielka and Southampton’s Nathanial Clyne, who both scored 142 points. It was worth noting that Jagielka made the Dream Team because his final cost was 5.8 compared with Clyne’s 5.9, but Jagielka had started at 5.5 and missed only one Gameweek, averaging 3.8 points per game (ppg), whereas Clyne started at 5.0 and missed three Gameweeks, averaging 4.1 ppg, so it was Clyne rather than Jagielka who made the ODTS.

Midfield: Eden Hazard, David Silva and Alexis Sanchez’s scores were in a league of their own, which makes them a shoo-in for the ODTS. But at a starting price of 8.5 Santi Cazorla is too expensive. The other candidates were Sigurdsson, who scored 154 at 4.8 ppg for just 6.0, missing only six Gameweeks. Others are Spurs man Nacer Chadli (160 FPL points at 4.6 ppg for 6.0, missing four Gameweeks), Liverpool’s Jordan Henderson (162 at 4.4 ppg for 6.0, missing two Gameweeks) and West Ham’s Stewart Downing (160 at 4.3 ppg for 5.5, missing one Gameweek). The six missed Gameweeks for Sigurdsson, which allowed higher scoring auto-subs to come off the bench, eventually swung it for him as the Swansea man takes the final midfield slot in the ODTS.

The Bench: This left 14.0m for our other three bench players. First substitute is Ryan Bertrand (140 points at 4.1 ppg for 5.0m, missing only four Gameweeks). He nearly made the starting eleven and scored 87 points in 20 auto-sub appearances. Arsenal’s Hector Bellerin (77 points at 3.9 ppg for 4.5) would have only made five auto-sub appearances but contributed 28 points during that run. Burnley’s George Boyd (110 points at 3.1 pph for 4.5, missing two Gameweeks) was the best 4.5 midfielder and was available whenever required, scoring 33 in eight auto-sub appearances.

The 2014/15 ODTS

So the Optimal Dead Team Squad that resulted was:

Pantilimon (4.5m, 123)

Ivanovic (7.0m, 179) – Terry 6.5m, 177) – Clyne (5.0m, 142)

Hazard (10.0m, 233) – Sanchez (10.5m, 207) – Silva (9.0m, 191) – Sigurdsson (6.0m, 154)

Aguero(C) (12.0, 216*2) – Kane(V) (5.0m, 191 + 48) – Austin (6.0m, 176)

Heaton (4.5m, 50) – Bertrand (5.0m, 87) – Bellerin (4.5m, 28) – Boyd (4.5m, 33)

RESULTS And Further Thoughts

This ODTS would have scored 2,451 points and finished second overall, 19 points behind the champion. Others may be trying to improve on this, but I would be very surprised if it could be improved sufficiently to catch FPL champion Simon March.

The ODTS is also pretty similar to the Fantasy Football Scout Team of the Season, the only differences being Pantilimon instead of Forster and Sigurdsson instead of Bertrand. We were able to vote for four defenders and four midfielders in constructing the FFS Team of the Season , so I assume that Bertrand was included because he received a higher percentage of the votes for defenders than Sigurdsson did of the votes for midfielders. This may have been because there was more competition for the fourth midfielder spot than for the fourth defender one, but I suspect that many of us would rather play 3-4-3 with Bertrand on the bench than 4-3-3 with Sigurdsson on it. Perhaps next year for the FFScout Team of the Season poll an initial vote to opt for the community’s favoured formation could take place.

Note: I would like to thank Billy Gilmore for suggesting the Pantilimon/Heaton goalkeeper combination. At the time of writing Billy Gilmore was also conducting research that suggested Daryl Janmaat of Newcastle may have scored more as a first substitute than Ryan Bertrand. I’m sure he’ll keep us posted on that in the comment section of this article.

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74 Comments Post a Comment
  1. J0E
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    8 years, 10 months ago

    Be interested to see if Billy Gilmore's use of Janmaat as first sub can get even closer.

    Great work in getting within a whisker or two of Simon March.

    1. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      indeed tremendous effort

    2. RedLightning
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      One small correction: Bertrand only averaged 4.1ppg (not 4.4ppg), the same as Clyne.

      Billy Gilmore's computer program has already discovered one significant improvement over my ODTS, replacing first sub Bertrand by Newcastle's Daryl Janmaat. He would have scored 109 points from 23 auto-sub appearances (which is incredible, considering that he scored a grand total of only 9 points in the other 15 game-weeks - no wonder he remained completely under the radar until Billy's program unearthed him!). George Boyd then makes two fewer auto-sub appearances, so his score drops to 26, but the ODTS total score increases to 2466, now only 4 points behind Simon March.

      This new improved ODTS includes seven players from the top 3 teams, another three from others in the top 8, and five from the bottom 6.

      I understand that Billy's program is now looking to see whether it can find any similar unlikely improvements over Clyne, Sigurdsson or Austin.

      1. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I'm new to this discussion (link me up, please!), but if I understand correctly, are you trying to calculate the optimum score for each given week following the FPL rules and without taking transfer point hits?

        1. Twisted Saltergater
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          8 years, 10 months ago

          Sorry, with a dead team - no transfers?

          1. RedLightning
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            No transfers, no captaincy changes, no changes to the order on the bench, costing no more than 100.0m in GW1 and scoring as many points as possible over the season as a whole.

            It isn't about getting the biggest score in individual game-weeks, though it takes into account that in some game-weeks players may be auto-subbed from the bench or the vice-captain might be auto-promoted to captain.

            1. Twisted Saltergater
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Gotcha, thanks for explaining that. Might give it a go... autosubs are the key, I suspect.

              1. Camp No No
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Yes, and they may be quite surprising.

    3. RedLightning
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      Another small correction: Hazard scored 233 points in the ODTS (not 223).

      1. J0E
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        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Made those changes.

        Yep, saw Billy had come up with that Janmaat option last night so quickly added in a line. Be good to get more updates on this thread as well. Wonder if the dead team can once again beat the FPL winner?

        1. RedLightning
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          8 years, 10 months ago

          Thanks, Jonty (that got accidentally omitted from my first reply).

          Even though it is now very close, I still don't expect the dead team to beat the FPL winner this season.

          Some of the best bench options might go under the radar, but it is far more difficult for alternative options in the starting eleven to do so.

          Janmaat's performance was freakish, and the most obvious alternatives to Clyne, Sigurdsson and Austin have already been considered. If there were alternatives to these three who had scored fewer points but in far fewer matches, this would probably not help because of Janmaat's abysmal record in the game-weeks where he is not currently auto-subbed - he scored only 9 points in these other 15 game-weeks, and he actually played in 14 of these!

  2. Doolittle
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    8 years, 10 months ago

    Incredible work getting that close to the top. Looks like me saying "I had a dead team in 2013-14" is no longer an excuse for the poor rank...

    1. RedLightning
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      Real life dead teams don't get that close. The optimal one is only possible to achieve with hindsight.

      1. J0E
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        8 years, 10 months ago

        Or the kind of luck that wins lotteries.

        1. RedLightning
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          The number of possible 15-player GW1 squads must be far greater than the number of possible combinations of lottery numbers since there are so many players to choose from, even if you start by eliminating many of the most unrealistic options.

          1. Now I'm Panicking
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            To get the team (15 players) picked at random, on the conservative assumption that there were 1 GK, 4 DEF, 4 MID and 2 ATT to pick from from each PL team at the start of the season, by my quick calculations you are looking at odds of about 1 in 4,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, though I'm sure someone with a more recent mathematical mind than my late 1990's A Level will correct me I'm sure!

  3. Spencer
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    8 years, 10 months ago

    Loved this article Red Lightning.

    Great effort and very interesting read.

  4. Pasqualinho
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Finding a dead team to beat the winner has historically proved very simple. If Dufflinks has managed a team which beats the ODTS then this is a truly remarkable achievement.

    1. RedLightning
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      Ludo found an optimal dead team that would have beaten the winner in 2013-14, but do you know for how many previous seasons this has been tested, and by how many points the dead team has beaten the FPL winner in these seasons?

      Dufflinks' win this season was certainly impressive, but if it is indeed the case that he has been the first for some time to beat the optimal dead team, then it probably also means that it has been easier than usual this season to select players similar to or better than those in the dead team.

      Perhaps it is unusual that there are very few surprises in this season's ODTS and that so many of the key dead team players have been in our own teams for so much of the season.

      The achievement of budget forwards Kane and Austin in outscoring the more expensive ones has probably been a big factor, allowing us to include more of the best players in our teams and thus requiring us to make fewer compromises and trade-offs than usual.

      1. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        *Many of us found dead teams that would have beaten the winner 2013-2014.

      2. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        What was Ludo's optimal team btw? Just to check if it really was optimal.

      3. Camp No No
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        8 years, 10 months ago

        Do you, by chance, have a link to the articles under which these were discussed in last summer's DZ?

        1. RedLightning
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          This was Ludo's recent thread in which he claimed to have found a dead team squad which would have beaten the FPL winner in 2013-14.

          He doesn't give a link to that team or to last Summer's articles on the subject, so I suppose you will have to ask Ludo.

        2. RedLightning
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          My previous reply somehow omitted the link to Ludo's recent thread, which was:

          http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2015/05/27/team-of-the-season-branislav-ivanovic/?hc_page=2#hc_comment_10382205

          I notice he didn't actually claim that his team was the optimal one.

  5. Billy Gilmore
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    *** Winner, winner chicken dinner ***

    The following teams somehow scored an incredible 2472 points, coming in 2 points ahead of Simon March's winning total of 2470. Jonathan Walters ftw apparently.

    Panti
    Terry Ivanovic Clyne
    Hazard Sanchez Silva Siggy
    Aguero(c) Kane Austin

    Heaton Walters Yoshida Wisdom

    AND

    Panti
    Terry Ivanovic Bellerin
    Hazard Sanchez Silva Downing
    Aguero(c) Kane Austin

    Heaton Walters Bertrand C.Dawson

    1. Get up ya bum
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Amazing

    2. Ludo
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Nice one, great work!

    3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      Can you do one without Terry for me, please? 😉

      1. Billy Gilmore
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Sorry, Doos the best I can do is 2469, with Koscielny instead of Terry and Janmaat, Walters and Wisdom on the bench. Looks like you have to live without morals to win FPL 😉

    4. Shifty
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Great work BG.

    5. Ryan
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      Wow good stuff!

    6. Ziro Becomes One
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Now the next job is finding who had the above two teams in GW1 !!! 😛

      And where did he finish at the end of the season. 😆

    7. Camp No No
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Finally no Janmaat then?

      1. Billy Gilmore
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Yeah, he only works as first sub

    8. RedLightning
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      Well done, Billy. 🙂

      Are those the definitive ultimate versions, or are you still hoping to find something even better?

      Jonathan Walters plus a Baggies defender ftw, it would appear!

      1. Billy Gilmore
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I think that will probably be the extent of my search for 3-4-3. Will probably have a look at 4-3-3s to see if they offer any more possibilities.

        1. RedLightning
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          Thanks. I look forward to hearing about whether you uncover any more, and will be very interested to find out what they are if you do.

        2. RedLightning
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          Thanks, Billy. I look forward to hearing whether that search is successful, and what it uncovers if it is.

    9. mm0507
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      i have one unorthodox idea to remove ivanovic and put azpi instead. he is just 0.1 ppg behind ivanovic and you get extra one milion to work with.

      hope it can help.

      1. RedLightning
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        8 years, 10 months ago

        Interesting idea, but unfortunately I can't make it work.

        Ivanovic scored 47 more points than Azpilicueta, and it is not easy to find a combination of changes to other players that might make up that deficit.

        I tried using the 1.0m to upgrade Bertrand to Koscielny or Kolarov and then start them ahead of Downing,
        or to upgrade Walters and Dawson to Siggy and Lescott,
        but neither attempt succeeded.

        Billy's program might be able to find something using your idea, but I can't.

  6. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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    8 years, 10 months ago

    What is absolutely clear, is that the policy of a cheap defence is a dead duck.

    1. FantaCity
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Just as an enabler for the start of the season, then switch to big boys once the TV increases IMO

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        8 years, 10 months ago

        Well, I won't be doing that. 🙂

    2. Siva Mohan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      FPL is 90% luck 🙂

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        8 years, 10 months ago

        Indeed, but it is still possible to avoid some obvious mistakes. 🙂

        1. Siva Mohan
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          learning! but we would again go with minimum 3 cheap defenders 🙂

          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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            8 years, 10 months ago

            No, we wouldn't. 🙂

      2. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Had a bad season?

    3. Camp No No
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Year after year...

    4. RedLightning
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      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      It was this season, but it might have been different if we hadn't had Kane and Austin.

    5. RedLightning
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      Also, the dead team doesn't have the option of rotating its cheap defenders according to fixtures.

  7. Siva Mohan
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    "Cuadrado is not going anywhere this summer. People don't know Cuadrado yet, I have seen him many times when we were both in Italy, me at Inter and him at Udinese."

    "Because of that I have a lot of hopes for him for next season. I hope in the Copa America he can regain his self-esteem, his ego and that he has that joy of playing."

    - Jose

  8. Siva Mohan
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Liverpool Close to Signing Bolton's Adam Bogdan

    Liverpool have already signed two out-of-contract players in James Milner and Danny Ings and are set to sign a third in the form of Adam Bogdan. The Bolton Wanderers goalkeeper will end his eight-year association with the club to join Liverpool officially on a free transfer on 1 July.

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      Bruce Almighty! 🙁

  9. Siva Mohan
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    West Ham sign £4.3m Pedro Obiang and turn attention to Yohan Cabaye

    Paris Saint-Germain have offered France international Cabaye to Upton Park club as fellow midfielder Obiang signs four-year deal

    1. Siva Mohan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      - The Telegraph

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      Ooo! Yippee! 😀

    3. Camp No No
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      FFS, at this rate I'm going to lose my bet against Somalion. Shouldn't have given him that handicap.

  10. King Henrik
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Any good fantasy games for the Copa America ?

  11. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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    8 years, 10 months ago

    I have been talking to myself again, haven't I? 🙁

    1. Siva Mohan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      You talkin' to me?

      1. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Then who the hell else are you talking to? Well, I'm the only one here.

      2. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        😆 Without this^ reply, the recent comments column would now have my comments only. Yeah, guess I'll beat it. Bye dudes!

        ...dudes? what dudes? who the hell I'm saying "bye" to? Gee, the DZ can be pretty confusing.

    2. Camp No No
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      You know that it's the dead zone when you're replying posts 18 hours old and realise that every new post in the "recent comments" side column is from yourself.

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        8 years, 10 months ago

        Now you know how I felt! 😀

  12. Siva Mohan
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    It's dead here

    EPL clubs best free transfer in last 10 years

    Arsenal - Mathieu Flamini
    Chelsea - Michael Ballack
    Man Utd - Michael Owen (their only free signing 😯 )
    Man City - Andy Cole
    Liverpool - Kolo Toure
    Spurs - William Gallas/Edgar Davids

    1. Billy Gilmore
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      It's rather apt that it's dead on the community dead team article. Being on the main article would probably help 😛

      1. Billy Gilmore
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Also, Liverpool – Maxi Rodriguez

    2. The 12th Man
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Everton- Phil Jagielka

      I would have said Tim Cahill but he signed in 2004

  13. ralphypne
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone know of any Copa America fantasy games?

  14. Pulp Minion
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    8 years, 10 months ago

    I wonder what the highest ranked dead team, from GW1, actually is?

    1. RedLightning
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      8 years, 10 months ago

      Perhaps someone like SmartyPants (of FPL Discovery fame) might know how to check that?