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Best Burnley players to sign on FPL in 2018/19 – Complete Members’ Analysis

The vast array of budget options at Burnley last season has seen their players receive some price hikes, which may change our perception of their performances in 2018/19.

The underlying defensive numbers and some appealing early-season fixtures mean that Nick Pope and his centre-backs are still factoring in Fantasy plans at this stage.

Going forward there was surprisingly underwhelming attacking data considering that both Ashley Barnes and Chris Wood showed they could be a decent third striker in Fantasy teams.

Fantasy Football Scout members can now read on as we delve deep into the numbers from 2017/18 to weigh up the best players to look at now that the new game has launched.

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  1. Kizza_10
    • 5 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Ederson
    Cedric Mee Robertson
    Sane Salah Eriksen Mhiki
    Zaha Firmino Arnautovic

    Subs:
    Begovic, Bednarek, Masuaku, Schelotto

    Is the team well balanced, if not what changes would you make?

    1. Jacky boy
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Really good. Except mkhi and arnie with those tough fixtures

    2. Pariße
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      GW1 is all about balance, the distribution of funds is way off. You need to upgrade the attack and downgrade the midfield. Which players specifically are better to pick, you’ll find that out during pre-season, but for starters your line-up price wise is not good.

  2. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Incredible statistical analysis has proven beyond doubt: https://mathematicallysafe.wordpress.com/2018/07/08/fpl-analysis-the-impact-of-fixtures-on-player-performance/

    Ultra cheap Goalkeepers is the way to go.

    Go for premium defenders (who have good fixtures)

    Invest heavily in midfield

    Cheaper strikers offer comparable value to premium strikers

    This is gospel. Ignore this PhD level stuff at your own peril.

    1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      DDG essential

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        That's not what the data says.

        1. Jacky boy
          • 3 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          What does it say ? Give us a summary it's too long

          1. FPL Virgin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            What I posted above is the summary.

            1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
              • 3 Years
              1 year, 5 months ago

              But what if DDG's ownership goes above 50%? Then he's essential right?

    2. Deulofail
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Bookmarked for another time. Looks good, thanks.

      But I can tell you now that you shouldn't fall into the structure trap. You still need to assess each player individually and in combination with others. I goes without saying that some premium defenders, for example, are better value than others. So you shouldn't get 3 premium defenders unless you can find 3 that you think are great value.

    3. rainy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      I don't know if I'd go so far as to describe research based on bookmakers' odds as 'gospel', but it's some excellent analysis 🙂

      1. Klopptomist Scott Talent
        • 2 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Or PhD level stuff. Far too tangible to be a maths PhD 😛

        1. rainy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 4 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          🙂

    4. Deulofail
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      I would upvote this but your insistence on sensationalising everything you write like it's the most important thing in the world is silly. You might be doing it tongue in cheek, but it kind of doesn't matter.

      When I read this I 100% don't expect to find anything proven beyond doubt, because such a thing barely exists. - Let alone in FPL.There's no guarantee we'll be able to generalise the conclusions from these data to the new season.

      1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Yeah. I thought that amazing FFS article on keepers contained "absolutely everything we need to know" but apparently not!

        1. Klopptomist Scott Talent
          • 2 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          It did tell us the BEST ones to buy though no? 😛

    5. Pariße
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      I don’t think the interpretation for the strikers is right. Diminishing value, yes...but a more suitable approach after this analysis would be to only play with 2 starting strikers of which at least one is still premium. Last season offered 0 decent cheap strikers and rotation of 2 cheap ones, as he suggests it, is too unpredictable. I personally opted for a 4-4-2 formation and it proved to be optimal last season. There’s also 2 more factors you need to take into account with strikers now, that’s essential individuals and balanced distribution of funds at least for GW 1.

  3. rainy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Spreadsheet of every FPL player with last season's points and current price

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dz9jMhFyW0To4hkGujnV_YZ3Vl9QPNcxIZvOjWMGIq8/

    1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Hulk

    2. Random Name
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Isn't this how it's done on the fpl website anyway? Or do people have a use for spreadsheets?

      Either way it's neatly done

      1. Klopptomist Scott Talent
        • 2 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Can do lots of nice filters etc if you can be arsed (which I can’t)

      2. rainy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        People do ask for a spreadsheet format now and again. Easier to make one and share it than explain how to do it 😉

        1. Klopptomist Scott Talent
          • 2 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          well put 🙂

          1. rainy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 4 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            I can't be arsed to actually do anything with it, mind you 😛

            1. Klopptomist Scott Talent
              • 2 Years
              1 year, 5 months ago

              😀

  4. IrishRed
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    When do you think is best to play max captain in WC fantasy?

    1. Random Name
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      i think it's already way too late tbh

    2. the snazzy viking
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      now

    3. Deulofail
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      For me, the previous round, but I didn't. So I'm thinking final round, because I might be able to get a better XI out with 5 more FTs, plus the playoff might be a little higher scoring??

      1. IrishRed
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Cheers

  5. Lovren an elevator
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    If you had to keep a defender from each of these teams all season, who would be the picks?

    Arsenal
    Chelsea
    Everton
    Liverpool
    M City
    M United
    Spurs

    1. Joggers Nipple
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Arsenal Monreal
      Chelsea Alonso
      Everton Colman
      Liverpool VVD
      M City Mendy
      M United Unsure on most nailed
      Spurs

    2. Moise and Men
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Bellerin
      Alonso
      Coleman
      Robertson
      Mendy
      Young (?)
      none

    3. IrishRed
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Monreal, Alonso, Coleman, Robertson, Walker, Valencia, Vertonghen

    4. Klopptomist Scott Talent
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Monreal
      Azpi
      Pickford/Coleman
      Robertson
      Ederson
      DDG
      Vertonghen

    5. the snazzy viking
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Sokratis
      Alonso if Conte stays, otherwise Azpi
      Baines
      VVD
      Walker
      DDG
      Vert

      I'm assuming no budget

    6. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Not sure how this type of question is useful

      1. J ⚒ Gimme your Mané…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Not sure how this type of reply is useful.

        😉

    7. Zilla
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Arsenal: Kolasinac if he starts, Monreal if not.
      Chelsea: Alonso
      Everton: Coleman
      Liverpool: Robertson
      City: Mendy
      United: Young
      Spurs: Davies

    8. Pariße
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      The most nailed and fit ones (with certain exceptions due to obvious reasons).

      Bellerin
      Azpilicueta
      Coleman
      van Dijk
      Otamendi
      Valencia
      Vertonghen

  6. Joggers Nipple
    • 10 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    My first go! Obv this will change loads but inital thoughts?
    ( Luk now Aubu later, yes I dont mind playing a 4.5 mid occasionally/ one of the 4.5 def depending on fixtures)

    Fabianski/ 4.5
    Alonso/ Cedric/ Tomkins/ Daniels/ Dunk
    Sane/ Eriksen/ Mane/ Masuaku/ 4.5
    Lukaku/ Aguro/ Zaha

    Thanks

    1. lugs
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      looks good but you might aswell get Auba now since lukaku could miss the first couple of games , and will Masuaku even play in midfield now that Pellegrini is in charge ?

      1. Joggers Nipple
        • 10 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        cheers, we will see! A starting point!

  7. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Did PVA really get 5 goals and an assist from 2100 minutes last year?!

    Is he nailed & why is there not more chatter about him at 5.5?

    1. Hurry Can
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Playing for Crystal Palace. 5.5 is too much for CS potential. Goal and Assist what is the odd?

    2. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Great opening fixtures, he's currently in my team.

    3. Deulofail
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      He's been in my team most of the time I've tinkered, but Schupp is tempting

      1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Wait, who plays left mid?

        1. Deulofail
          • 3 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          RLC

  8. Jacky boy
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    I think sane is overpriced
    Sterling is too much overpriced
    People trying to get a city asset have got sane but for 9.5? He rarely scores and gives assist more. He plays wide and never gets near the goal

    1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      KDB for 10.0 kills both Sterling & Sané as options imo. You could also argue a Dilva at 8.5 does the same

      1. Pariße
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Easily!

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      10 goals, 15 assists.

      1. Joggers Nipple
        • 10 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        this

    3. the snazzy viking
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      KDB is arguably the best and the only nailed attacker from City but the thing is that he could have a slow start like last season

      1. the snazzy viking
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        well not the best, I think Sterling is the best but he's best for the price I mean

        1. Jacky boy
          • 3 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          Sterling straight to bench when pep sees how much his team is better with mahrez

    4. Hurry Can
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Aguero only good value! Get in

    5. Jacky boy
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      I think mahrez and KDB are best city assets

  9. Differential (c)
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Moenchengladbach Centreback giant Jannik Vestergaard is reportedly on the verge of signing for Southampton, and will undergo a medical on Monday

    http://global.espn.com/football/story/3560431/denmark-defender-jannik-vestergaard-to-have-southampton-medical-sources?src=com

    Really puts even more competition in that CB position, seems like Cedric and McCarthy are the way to that Soton defence.

    1. Hurry Can
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      No Bednarek then.

      1. Differential (c)
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        True, but on the upside, I really rate this fellow, so that really heightens the appeal of getting at least one or even doubling on that Southampton defence.

  10. nonprophet
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    I missed this place.

  11. Moise and Men
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    need to stop tinkering and sleep....

    Ederson - Foster (if 4.5)
    Robertson - Bellerin - Jagielka - Malone - Wan-Bissaka
    Salah - Sane - Mkhi - Deulofeu - 4.5
    Auba - Vardy - King

    1. Hurry Can
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Ederson, Sane Vs Ballerin, Auba... What is your expectation? What if scored is 1-1 and Aguero and Lacazette score? Do you wanna feel to delete account? haha

      1. Joggers Nipple
        • 10 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        There are more than 1 GW's

        1. Hurry Can
          • 2 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          Yeah next Arsenal vs Chelsea. Again, what is the expectation here? I wait at least gameweek 4 to get Arsenal assets imho.

      2. Moise and Men
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        good point, will bench Bellerin + Ederson most likely

    2. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      I can't sleep, brain is already overactive thinking about FPL stuff.

  12. the snazzy viking
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    thoughts on Bobby Reid?

    good value at 5.5m?

    19 goals and 7 assists last season for Bristol City and a strong 3 opening fixtures

    1. lugs
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      i don't know much about him but i have him anyway 🙂

    2. Random Name
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      And dwight gayle & Chris wood had 23 and 27 goals respectively

      Premier league is a completely different domain to the championship. Pick proven players at the striker position

      1. lugs
        • 2 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        not too many proven enablers for 5.5mil

        1. Random Name
          • 4 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          Arnie. Find the 1.5

      2. the snazzy viking
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Wood got 10 goals in 24 games though, not bad?

        1. Random Name
          • 4 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          Nope not bad at all, was just using it as an example to show that more often than not the goals will be more than halved. If reid manages 10 it would be a good season for him

          1. the snazzy viking
            • 3 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            I'm getting him, I have a vision in my mind that he'll score against Bournemouth and Newcastle

  13. Random Name
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Any Arsenal fans that think away form might improve.

    Unai Emery didn't win a single la liga away game in his last season at sevilla.

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Hard not to improve it.

    2. Jacky boy
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Not going to be same this time

  14. Ole Trafford
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Hello folks hope you all enjoyed the time off! Glad to be back tinkering for the new season.

    Anyone looking at Callum Wilson @6m or is he too risky?

    1. Moise and Men
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      not sure on wilson but i like josh king

    2. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      If rather start with a 7.0 forward that always gives the option of the switch. That said, I've no interest in CW.

    3. F4L
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      not with his injury record in recent seasons

  15. F4L
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Lossl
    Mendy Alonso Robertson Valencia Azpi
    Mane Salah KDB
    Zaha Arnie

    bench fodder.

    Bit different, but surely it could work quite well if people are saying the best value for money is in midfield and defence

    1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Won't work

      1. F4L
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        because of lack of big hitting forwards? I don't really see the need for them if Salah continues his form from last season and can be consistently captained

        1. Random Name
          • 4 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          'lack of' is putting it lightly

        2. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
          • 3 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          Proper explanation is too long for FFS post but it just comes down to probability.

    2. Random Name
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Well on this page the only person that's said that is FPLvirgin

      And you need to ignore that advice mate, you literally don't have an attack. What you gonna do when Kane, Kun, Auba, Laca, Lukaku, Vardy, Firmino etc. are firing in goals for fun

      1. F4L
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        hope the rest of my team can cover them 😛 Getting screwed over by forwards last year has really put me off them, but I guess it is difficult/wrong to truly ignore all the big hitters up top.

        1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
          • 3 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          Don't worry, my super incredible expert FPL course is coming soon in regular definition.

          1. F4L
            • 4 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            😉 this game does my head in some times though, loads of time preparing/analysing just to be done over by luck.

            Time to go full casual 😎

            1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
              • 3 Years
              1 year, 5 months ago

              If it's always down to "luck" then maybe it isn't.

              1. F4L
                • 4 Years
                1 year, 5 months ago

                not always, but you can't deny it plays a considerable role.

                1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
                  • 3 Years
                  1 year, 5 months ago

                  Both positive and negative. We see players finish top 5k every season. I'm hoping for another top 1k to prove least year want a fluke.

    3. Deulofail
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      I admire the attempt, but this particular iteration doesn't look great.

      Value works at the level of the individual and combinations of individuals. You simply can't say that "value is in midfield" and but the most expensive midfielders. You have to buy the most valueable midfielders. In fact you have to buy the most valuable players across the team, or rather the most valuable combination of players across the whole team, which may or may not result in a formation with 5 at the back.

      For me, last season, it pushed me into a 5-2-3. But even I can't see how that's possible this season, because there is too much value in the midfield below the prices of Mane and KDB, as well as below Valencia et al. 🙂

      1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        +juan

      2. F4L
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        your admiration was all I was after 😛
        But yeah, I get your point, it just comes down to picking the best value for money players in each position, and that's a rough task.

        At this point i'm really not sure I like any of the cheaper mids, but i'm sure some will pipe up quickly once the season starts

        1. Deulofail
          • 3 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          Glad I could give you what you wanted 🙂

          If that's how you feel, then by all means don't let us bully you into choosing players you don't want. Try something a little different. You can switch in GW 3 by downgrading KDB and upgrading Arnie if you need to make a drastic change.

          1. F4L
            • 4 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            yeah, there is definitely some scope for manoeuvrability in the set up, and I think I might just stick with it for now and see how pre season goes. Problem with me is i'm too knee jerky, so just end up jumping from one premium striker to the next and missing all their hauls, which is obviously a fault on my part.

            Anyways, that's for your input 🙂

  16. Top Lad Dakes.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    thoughts on the current draft?

    pickford (bettinelli)
    robertson mendy mee (tomkins bednarek)
    salah silva ramsey cairney deulofeu
    aguero zaha (tosun)

    0.5ITB, planning auba in for gw3

  17. Top Lad Dakes.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Anyone else think it would be good to see the subbing option that we get in McD's at the end of each matchday in FPL?

    1. F4L
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      no no no no no

      1. Top Lad Dakes.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Why not? Or the change captain option? takes away alot of the self hatred I see people having on here when bench players perform and someone from their starting 11 only makes a cameo, for example...

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 10 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          They were on the bench for a reason.

        2. F4L
          • 4 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          what TM said 🙂

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Replacing bad scores removes skill. Changing captain makes it even worse.

      1. Ole Trafford
        • 7 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Was just going to post something similar myself

      2. Random Name
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Been knocked out by too many causals in the FPL cup to know that skill doesn't mean a single thing in this game

        1. Top Lad Dakes.
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          ^ skill involved, but alot of it is luck

        2. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 10 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          FPL Cup is as random as the draw and your name.

          1. Random Name
            • 4 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            My name was carefully selected

            1. TorresMagic™
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 10 Years
              1 year, 5 months ago

              LaCassette if it was.

              1. Random Name
                • 4 Years
                1 year, 5 months ago

                not a bad shout

      3. Pierce34
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        There's more skill in the decision-making process involved in whether to stick or twist from a captain than in the current system. Anything that removes an element of luck in a game that is already mostly luck can only be a good thing.

        1. Top Lad Dakes.
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          my thoughts

        2. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 10 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          Better off removing captains if that's your thinking. You get penalised for having a decent captain score 7-10 vs someone with a 1 or 2 who gets the big score on Day 2 or whatever.

          1. Deulofail
            • 3 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            Yes pls, remove captains.

            I don't like the twisty caps, because it requires that 4+ million people log on for a specific time once, twice, maybe multiple times a week (in a DGW) in order to make a change, That's a big ask and gives FPL lunatics like me a big advantage over people who have lives.

          2. Pierce34
            • 4 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            That's the way it is - if you feel brave or chasing, you can twist from 7-10.

            To give a counter-example from the current system - your captain gets injured 10 minutes in and you're stuck with 2x1. What's the skill there exactly? That you failed to predict the injury? Players shouldn't be punished for that. (it's fair enough if he gets a red card of course, in which case you're not able to twist)

            1. TorresMagic™
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 10 Years
              1 year, 5 months ago

              The good old injury line is bad luck. Perhaps if your captain gets injured in 1st half then a change is allowed otherwise a 90 minute fail being replaced is a terrible idea.

              1. Deulofail
                • 3 Years
                1 year, 5 months ago

                Yeah but too complicated. "Did he come off for injury or was it tactical." etc

                Simplicity of rules often makes the best games and allows the game to be accessible to more people. But I'm not going to get myself back into trouble by talking about my invalid opinions 😀

            2. Deulofail
              • 3 Years
              1 year, 5 months ago

              Not unlucky is a player gets a red? But unlucky if injured? I don't understand your rules of life, my friend 🙂

              1. Pierce34
                • 4 Years
                1 year, 5 months ago

                From the player's point of view - an injury is unlucky and can't be controlled. But he can definitely control whether he gets a red card or not. That's what I meant.

                1. Deulofail
                  • 3 Years
                  1 year, 5 months ago

                  What about mistaken identity. Or a bad call by the ref?

                  How about if you buy Stanislas? 😛

                  1. Pierce34
                    • 4 Years
                    1 year, 5 months ago

                    If you buy Stanislas it's clearly all on you 😛

                    And VAR will soon eliminate the rest 😉

                    1. Deulofail
                      • 3 Years
                      1 year, 5 months ago

                      VAR won't eliminate anything. If anything instances of "luck" will be more unlucky, because they they be fewer, so have more relative impact on your score compared to other managers' scores.

                      1. Pierce34
                        • 4 Years
                        1 year, 5 months ago

                        Well, yes, we want as few instances of luck as possible. I'd take a 1 in 100 chance that I'm unlucky over a 1 in 25 one.

            3. TorresMagic™
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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              • 10 Years
              1 year, 5 months ago

              When you win your mini league due to your rival having that luck, it's ok. 🙂

        3. Random Name
          • 4 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          quite the contrary. If you have 2 captain material players - say for example Kane and Salah.

          more often than not 1 of them will perform if the other doesn't. Would simply eliminate all skill and turn it into picking the big hitter who plays first - oh wait he only got 2 points let me switch to other big hitter

          1. Pierce34
            • 4 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            And that's clearly better than the current option. There's more luck involved in jammy bench points, equally jammy vice-captains, or non-jammy captains you play for only 10 minutes before getting injured.

            1. Random Name
              • 4 Years
              1 year, 5 months ago

              my point was you eliminate skill... you need to have a little skill to pick the player based on fixtures, form etc.

              However little skill that may be, it's far more than simply picking another player if the one you picked beforehand didn't perform

              1. Deulofail
                • 3 Years
                1 year, 5 months ago

                I'd say it's about the same. In Perces syatem you need to pick 15 players for that game, in the current system, you have to pick 15 players for that game. Different rules, different players, about the same skill/luck.

                1. Deulofail
                  • 3 Years
                  1 year, 5 months ago

                  Pierce's system*

              2. Pierce34
                • 4 Years
                1 year, 5 months ago

                Perhaps skill is the wrong word - but there's a lot more decision-making involved in, say, whether to stick or twist from a 7-pointer, and I like that. Far more different permutations to consider - whether you're chasing, whether your opponent has the same players etc.

                Also, obviously we choose our captains based on fixtures and form, but they invariably still fail quite often - see Kane vs. any bottom team at home last September/October for instance!

                I understand your points of course, but as I said I like the extra element of decision-making, and I really don't think there's any more skill in the current version.

                1. Deulofail
                  • 3 Years
                  1 year, 5 months ago

                  Your proposal doesn't remove luck from the current format. It's an add-on. It requires it's own skill and has it's own luck. The probability of things working in and against your favour is still out of 100% in both parts, and it's still out of 100% when taken together.

                  I wonder if that explains my point better - that it's still the same amoutn of luck and skill?

                  The only difference is that your proposal requires more time and effort for the managers, so casuals will be disadvantaged.

                  1. Pierce34
                    • 4 Years
                    1 year, 5 months ago

                    Obviously anything is out of 100%. But I guarantee that a careful manager will have far fewer captain fails under the world cup system than the FPL system. (unless of course they're playing recklessly and twisting on anything under 10 or whatever)

                    Also let's forget about different definitions of skill - adding another element of decision-making to the game is a good thing in my book.

                    1. Pierce34
                      • 4 Years
                      1 year, 5 months ago

                      And we've just become fully circular - the last sentence was exactly what I wrote in my first comment on this thread just below 😆

                      1. Deulofail
                        • 3 Years
                        1 year, 5 months ago

                        Of course everyone will have fewer captain fails if you're comparing it to the current format. How absolutely-bleeding-obvious!

                        But relative to other players, the skilled will be as unlucky as they are now, because it's based on the same actions of footballers on a pitch.

                      2. Pierce34
                        • 4 Years
                        1 year, 5 months ago

                        But that's the main point - it's less unlucky if you have fewer captain fails surely? (for the same reason I'd also be down with removing captains altogether, as we've discussed elsewhere)

                      3. Pierce34
                        • 4 Years
                        1 year, 5 months ago

                        I understand your point that the amount of luck relative to other FPL managers wouldn't change, but what I'm trying to achieve is reduce the element of luck in absolute terms. (hence also removal of captains, although as I said I like the extra element of decision-making involved)

                      4. TorresMagic™
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                        • 10 Years
                        1 year, 5 months ago

                        May as well have max 11 team/captain points if that's your thinking.

                      5. Deulofail
                        • 3 Years
                        1 year, 5 months ago

                        It depends what a fail is, because they would be defined differently in the two systems.

                        There would be fewer scores lower than 10, for example, because you get at least 2 bites at the cherry. But that's not very interesting, is it?

                        I could go on, but I'm going to go to bed. Peace be with you

                      6. Pierce34
                        • 4 Years
                        1 year, 5 months ago

                        @TM - see my point about removing captains altogether. Though as I said, the element of decision-making is welcome in my book.

                        Have a good night, Deulofail!

                      7. TorresMagic™
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                        • 10 Years
                        1 year, 5 months ago

                        Makes the game a lot more boring without a captain.

                      8. Pierce34
                        • 4 Years
                        1 year, 5 months ago

                        That's why I prefer the stick or twist system, which is the best of both worlds 😉

                      9. TorresMagic™
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                        • 10 Years
                        1 year, 5 months ago

                        It's 2 of more captains though.

    3. Ramboros
      • 8 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Manual substitutions and captaincy changes work in cup competitions because you need to keep the most expensive players at a reasonable price so you can enter a full team during the later rounds.

    4. Pierce34
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      It's undoubtedly a better option. There is enough luck in the game as it is, replacing that element of luck with decision-making can only be a good thing. Anyone who says otherwise is a casual 😛

      1. Deulofail
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Quite the opposite. It hands an advantage to fanatics with too much time on their hands. Casuals will lose patience with their low scores when they forget to switch the captain. I don't think it reduces luck either, if everyone is twisting on appox 8pts or less, what's the difference really?

        1. Pierce34
          • 4 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          I'm a dullard - I'm not twisting on 8 points 😀

          And why shouldn't the fanatics have the advantage anyway? It's not like FPL was ever won by a casual really.

          1. Pierce34
            • 4 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            Also, interestingly - though this is far from universal because it's a tiny sample size - a couple of friends (who are most definitely casuals in FPL terms) have been a lot more attracted by the world cup version. I agree that they might feel differently over a marathon version of the game, like FPL.

            1. Deulofail
              • 3 Years
              1 year, 5 months ago

              There are so many reasons why that could and is the case. Rolling subs and captains is THE reason. It's a necessary component of this knockout format. Anyway, that's enough I think. Good night 🙂

              1. Deulofail
                • 3 Years
                1 year, 5 months ago

                Argh

                *There are so many reasons why that could be, and is, the case. Rolling subs and captains isn't THE reason.

          2. Deulofail
            • 3 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            Because it's just a game and should be accessible to all. Even as a fanatic I don't want the game to force me to be active constantly to be on a level playing field with everyone else. I want the option to sign in on Saturday morning to order my team and sign out again.

    5. Deulofail
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Don't like that at all. Would prefer to get half points for all bench players if anything like that was introduced.

    6. Totalfootball
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Everything almost in this game is luck .
      The more decisions you have to make , the more skill there is .

      So a big Yes !

    7. Totalfootball
      • 2 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      You can a have strategy of a Day 2 captain if it fails ,
      ODW eve1 just captains Salah and the 1 dude who captains someone else gets lucky to go ahead .

      1. Deulofail
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        I still can't see and decreased luck here, sorry.

        1. Totalfootball
          • 2 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          Look if you can twist from captains , it negates the captain choices in general ,If you can't score on the 1st day , you can maybe on the 2nd . It becomes more of a squad thing , which player has more 'good picks' . Its almost like removing captains .
          But if you and every other player is going to Captain Salah and he fails against West ham , and some lucky dude captains Jota against Everton who scores a brace , wheres the skill in that ?

          1. Deulofail
            • 3 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            Look if you stick on 8 points and someone twists for 20, where's the luck in that. If you both twist to different players (when you were originally even on Salah's 2pts) and one guy gets 20 compared to you 4, where's the skill in that? Again I could go on with loads more iterations, but I'm going to bed.

            Look at the end of the day, the system is still built on the probability of real life events. You're still picking 15 players who perform those events. Your decisions are based on that probability, and the skill is trying to raise the probability of points from potential events. So the number of times you make the right call or the wrong call are about the same.

            Look I could perhaps see an argument that the extent to which a wrong call punishes you is less, which could be seen as reduced "luck". If this is what you're going for, then I think the best solution is to remove captaincy altogether.

            Thanks for your time. Goodight 🙂

            1. Totalfootball
              • 2 Years
              1 year, 5 months ago

              Removing captaincy is perfect too .

            2. Deulofail
              • 3 Years
              1 year, 5 months ago

              where's the skill in that*

    8. Pierce34
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      This conversation should be hulked - I wouldn't mind seeing some other opinions here of the non-DZ variety. Though it might be inundated with 'it's coming home' comments if that happens 😀

      1. TorresMagic™
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        • 10 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        I asked it about 2 days into the World Cup, it was a firm No!

  18. Jacky boy
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Can't understand people trolling karius
    Ok he is a rubbish gk. But cheapest way to get a liverpool defender (same as ederson for city)
    If you troll karius and people who got him you are actually trolling vvd and robertson ownsers too. Because if karius concede a goal there is no cs for them too.
    Quality of the gk is not much important. You want your cs

    1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Karius is a perfectly good option at 4.5

    2. Deulofail
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      He's in my team at the moment. I don't think I've ever owned a keeper above 4.5. Could be mistaken. I'd prefer a 4.5er, and would normally stick regardless of fixtures, but the stand-out option, Fabianski, has rubbishfixtures. Might find myself crawling back to him before GW1, though.

      1. Jacky boy
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        I can't change ederson
        City has easiest run of fixtures ever
        And they don't have any other nailed defender

  19. Ole Trafford
    • 7 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    My first attempt (done quickly might I add) so be gentle 😉

    Pickford, Stek
    Azpi, Mendy, Coleman, Daniels, Bissaka
    Hazard, Mane, Dilva, Hughes, Masauku
    Lukaku, Firmino, Wilson

    Glaring problem is no Salah/Kane. Lukaku v Aguero is a toughie. Giroud is tempting.

    1. Differential (c)
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      On paper, looks good, but with WC still going on for Kaku and Haz, they both could possibly get an extended break. Same could be said of Pickford as well.

      1. Ole Trafford
        • 7 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Yeah this is a worry.

  20. Top Lad Dakes.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Anyone got an early plan on when to WC? Looking at my current draft and that of some others on here, fixtures turn sour for some of the teams around GW9/10 or so

    1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Hold as long as possible and use if you need.

    2. the snazzy viking
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      knowing myself I'll probably use it GW4

    3. Differential (c)
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Yes,.especially with WC players coming back. Early WC almost definitely for me.

  21. Top Lad Dakes.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Reckon Son will start this year? full mil cheaper than eriksen and was a better option last year..

    1. F4L
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Asian games from 14 August to 1nd September. I guess Son will be playing in them, so sadly not an option from the get go

  22. JustClasie
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Any reason why there is no love for Jordon Ibe?

    1. the snazzy viking
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      rather have Fraser

  23. Top Lad Dakes.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Sane worth the extra 1.0 over Silva? Currently on Silva here...

    1. Random Name
      • 4 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Son, Sane, Silva, wildcards - my man these questions coming in too fast. Still hard to tell with world cup still in play, pre-season matches yet to be played, transfer window still open etc.

      1. ryacoo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        Son is playing Asian Cup for the first few weeks of the season.

    2. Jacky boy
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Not for me. But mahrez yes

  24. Bardo9
    • 1 Year
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Need some help for McDs fantasy:

    32.6m ITB. 4 FTs left.

    Subasic, Fodder
    Pavard, Trippier, Young, Lovren, ___
    Rakitic, Lingard, Carassco, ___, ___
    Hazard, Griezmann, ___

    I’m thinking of doing:

    A) Modric, KDB, Maguire, Perisic
    B) Modric, Fellaini, Maguire, Kane

    Modric and KDB essential?

  25. ryacoo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Are we expecting Kane/Alli to miss GW1/2 due to the World Cup? If so, is Eriksen likely to be on pens for those games?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 10 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      Lamela possibly.

  26. Random Name
    • 4 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    I think FPL could add a sub option within gameweeks but only for players who haven't yet played.

    There's been times where i would've changed my mind mid gwk and put on a different 4.5 def to the one i had set to play or whatever

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 10 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      You could say the same for captains.

      1. Random Name
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        aye captains too. As long as the two players you're switching between haven't played i don't see the problem. Adds a different dynamic and preserves the guessing and whatnot which is what the game is all about.

        The only thing is that you will have seen the teams in your mini league or whatever - but way i see it this makes it more tactical having to adapt your team if only slightly to try and outsmart your opponent

        1. Deulofail
          • 3 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          I don't mind this. Allows casuals who missed the deadline to at least try to regain lost ground by making a switch with the team they're left with, if such a switch is possible. So that's nice 🙂

        2. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 10 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          Towards the end of the season, it's much harder to have a different captain when chasing.

    2. Ghost Gooner
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      That's too much admin and would add a layer of complication that would drive people away

      1. Deulofail
        • 3 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        You don't have to use it. You don't gain an advantage by using it. It's just if you change your mind, why not? I suppose the obvious answer is that a player could be injured or a lneup leaked, and many people would miss the information and fail to react. Okay, actually, I've changed my mind. I'm against the idea. Sorry Random Name

        1. Random Name
          • 4 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          Injuries wouldn't affect it - it's what vice captains and automatic bench subs are for...

          leaked lineups tho? happens all the time before gameweek deadlines anyway

          1. Deulofail
            • 3 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            I don't mean injured during a game. Injured the morning of a game or something.

            The point about this and leaked lineups is that people have to react to it, which means people have to spend a specific portion of the week tied to FPL if they want to do well. Better to have one deadline a week imo

      2. Random Name
        • 4 Years
        1 year, 5 months ago

        They already massively complicated it when they added the chips and another wildcard

        This would be the merest of additions to the game

        1. Ghost Gooner
          • 6 Years
          1 year, 5 months ago

          We would have to construct a team with players on all days of the gw (ie Fri Sat Sun) and mini manage the capt and subs all weekend.

          Most people wouldn't be able to do that all season.

          1. TorresMagic™
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            • 10 Years
            1 year, 5 months ago

            Would make the game something like DGW time when teams are similar most of the season due to the fixture dates.

  27. JJeyy
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Best midfielder for MWC:
    A) Modric
    B) Alli

    Thanks.

    1. Ghost Gooner
      • 6 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      I'd pick Alli as I think England will win

  28. Alex_thekid
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    My Mc WC team is
    *Muslera *Olson
    Parvard Tripper Lovren *Granquist *Miranda
    Lingard Modric *Coutinho *Willian
    *fodder
    Kane Lukaku Mbappe
    5ft
    Muslera to Pickford
    Willian to Pogba
    Coutinho to Kdb
    Miranda and Granquist to?
    A: Varane and Maguire
    B: Hernandez and Alderwield?

    1. Gruu
      • 3 Years
      1 year, 5 months ago

      B imo

  29. Gruu
    • 3 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Best replacement for Meunier (no Belgium Def & GK atm):

    A. Vertonghen
    B. Alderweireld
    C. Kompany

  30. Zilla
    • 2 Years
    1 year, 5 months ago

    Hope their will be no AnfieldExpress-eqsue bs this season