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What we learned about Liverpool and City assets in the Community Shield

Liverpool and Manchester City wrapped up their pre-seasons on Sunday afternoon in the Community Shield.

The game always looked like being a decent signpost as to how last season’s top two might line up in Gameweek 1 and there was plenty to discuss from the game at Wembley.

Liverpool 1-1 Manchester City (4-5 Penalties)

  • Goals: Joel Matip (£5.5m) | Raheem Sterling (£12.0m)
  • Assists: Virgil van Dijk (£6.5m) | David Silva (£7.5m)

Mohamed Salah (£12.5m) and Roberto Firmino (£9.5m) appear primed to feature against Norwich City in Gameweek 1 after starting in yesterday’s Community Shield.

Salah completed the full game as Firmino got a 79-minute run-out up front, with the Egyptian in particular catching the eye on the right flank.

There were at least five instances when Salah could have scored against last season’s title winners.

The Egypt international first scuffed a Firmino pass wide when well positioned inside City’s box before clipping the outside of Claudio Bravo‘s (£5.0m) post from a tight angle.

Salah struck the woodwork again after the break with a low shot before having another attempt smothered by Bravo and seeing a header hacked off the line by Kyle Walker (£6.0m) in the dying stages.

Salah had ten shots in total: more than Manchester City managed overall.

While his radar may have been slightly off it was notable just how sharp Salah was on his first 90-minute appearance for the Reds this summer.

Firmino impressed too with his link-up play and pressing but, as has been the case for some time now, simply doesn’t get the volume of chances that the two players either side of him are presented with – the Brazilian striker had one attempt on goal all afternoon, forcing a save out of Bravo early on.

Sadio Mane (£11.5m) returns to the first-team set-up this week but it will be a big ask for the Senegalese winger to be ready to start against Norwich on Friday evening with less than a week’s training under his belt.

Asked about Mane last week, Klopp said:

Let’s have a look at him. How we all know, Sadio had 16 days off – he will be in a good shape. He doesn’t drink, he doesn’t eat too much.

He had a training programme, maybe after ten days probably he started with a little bit of running, so I think he will be fine. But we have to see.

Georginio Wijnaldum (£5.5m) had deputised for Mane in a couple of pre-season games as Klopp experimented with a 4-1-4-1 but Divock Origi (£5.5m) was the man preferred alongside Salah and Firmino in the Community Shield.

The Belgian striker has more pre-season minutes to his name than any other Liverpool outfield player bar Fabinho (£5.5m) and none of his teammates have scored on more occasions.

As was the case against Napoli, though, Origi underscored the fact that he is very much at a level below Liverpool’s first-choice front three and particularly unconvincing on the left flank.

Wijnaldum, Fabinho and Jordan Henderson (£5.5m) made up Liverpool’s central midfield three, with James Milner (£5.5m) not risked because of a muscle problem.

When asked if he thought the veteran midfielder would be fit to face Norwich on Friday, Klopp said:

I would say yes. It was a minor muscle injury. I would say he can probably train tomorrow, although I am not 100 per cent sure.

For today it did not work out, but I think by at least Tuesday he can train.

For a team that kept more clean sheets and conceded fewer goals than any other Premier League side last season, Liverpool again failed to really convince at the back.

The Reds’ first-choice back four had shipped five goals in games against Sporting and Napoli and they were breached after just 12 minutes at Wembley when Raheem Sterling (£12.5m) finished off a City set-piece to put Pep Guardiola’s side in front.

There is no questioning Trent Alexander-Arnold‘s (£7.0m) attacking credentials – he was again on dead-ball duties at Wembley – but the Liverpool right-back is occasionally exposed against top-class opposition (as was the case against Napoli) and he again looked vulnerable on Sunday, eventually being withdrawn in the second half.

Joe Gomez (£5.5m) started the match at centre-back before switching over to right-back following Alexander-Arnold’s substitution, with the latter’s replacement, Joel Matip (£5.5m), scoring Liverpool’s equaliser.

Virgil van Dijk (£6.5m), the most-owned defender in FPL, claimed the assist for Matip’s goal and further highlighted his own undoubted threat from corners and free-kicks when shooting against the underside of the crossbar in the second half.

Reflecting on the game, Klopp said:

I’m completely happy about the full performance. I said before the game, if you want to be prepared for Man City you have to make a pre-season game against Man City; no team plays like them. You saw that in a few moments in the first half, when they can do what they do. We struggled a little bit positioning-wise but that’s normal. The biggest threat was pretty much the long balls from Bravo in behind, where our last line was not a line. The first two balls, I think. The third ball was dangerous as well with Sane then on the other side. That makes it difficult but that’s how they stretched our formation and then when you expect these balls, they play it in between, in the half-spaces, that’s pretty tricky. We could have had a bit better positioning, we changed that for the second half, which helped us a lot.

The second half is about will and all that stuff. That’s another thing in pre-season: you fill your body with all this physical information but you are not used to it after four or five weeks that you really can go over that point. We went over that point today, then nobody felt tired anymore and they could really go. I liked that a lot.

Football-wise, the second half was just really, really good, the best way you can play against City. They are in the early stages as well, they will be in a different shape in a couple of weeks, for sure. But having this amount of chances we had today is a very good sign for us, absolutely. I liked the game a lot. I don’t like the result but I liked the game a lot, so for us it was very, very important.

As Klopp alluded to there, the match was very much a game of two halves.

City were largely on the back foot in the second half and had only one attempt on goal in the final 40 minutes.

Before that, though, they were again the better side and Kevin De Bruyne (£9.5m) looked classy in the centre of midfield in the first half.

One shot and no key passes perhaps highlights one of the drawbacks with De Bruyne as a Fantasy asset, with his deeper role partly an issue: the Belgian ‘assisted the assister’ for Sterling’s goal to underscore that point.

Those stats weren’t a fair reflection of De Bruyne’s early influence on the game, however, and his role at set plays and ability to drive from midfield is a tantalising prospect.

De Bruyne’s fitness issues of 2018/19 is another black mark next to his name and there were concerns when the Belgian hit the turf late in the match, although cramp was widely reported as the issue and there doesn’t appear to be any serious concerns.

Leroy Sane (£9.5m) is more of a worry, however.

The German winger limped from the field early in the game with what appeared to be a knee injury and Guardiola provided an update after full-time:

The first impression was not good. But I think not bad I don’t know as I have not spoken to the doctor. I will wait but I think he will be okay.

Aymeric Laporte (£6.5m) missed out for the champions, meanwhile, having reportedly picked up a knock last week.

While Salah and Firmino look primed to start in Gameweek 1, the chances of Sergio Aguero (£12.0m) featuring in Pep Guardiola’s line-up at West Ham appear slimmer.

The Argentinean striker, who returned to training last week, didn’t even make it off the bench as Gabriel Jesus (£9.5m) was brought on to replace the stricken Sane.

Sterling had begun the match as City’s central striker but moved over to the left flank following the Brazilian’s introduction, with Bernardo Silva (£8.0m) – carrying on where he left off last season and producing a fine performance without looking like he could rack up serious points in FPL – stationed on the right.

Regardless of his position, Sterling was still City’s main goal threat.

The former Liverpool winger got on the end of David Silva‘s (£7.5m) flick to open the scoring and later had two gilt-edged opportunities to add to his tally, hitting the post just after the break and then running straight into Alisson (£6.0m) when clean through on goal on the hour.

Riyad Mahrez (£8.5m) wasn’t involved, meanwhile, with Guardiola providing the following update after the game:

Riyad called me straight after being champion and say he wants to be back against Liverpool. And I said he was more than welcome

But Riyad took some medicine but we don’t know what was in what he took and therefore doping control today was a risk because the doctors did not know what was in the medicine. So that’s why he did not play today.

A guy who rested less but could have played some minutes but we could not take a risk because the doctors didn’t have the medicines or exactly what happened and we did not want to risk it.

Oleksandr Zinchenko (£5.5m) got the nod at left-back and looks to have the edge in that position for Gameweek 1, although was given a torrid time by Salah and didn’t look comfortable.

With Laporte out and Vincent Kompany having departed, John Stones and Nicolas Otamendi (both £5.5m) were the default options at centre-half and looked vulnerable – encouragement perhaps for those considering West Ham’s in-form attacking assets this weekend.

Liverpool XI (4-3-3) Alisson; Alexander-Arnold (Matip 67′), Gomez, van Dijk, Robertson; Henderson (Lallana 79′), Fabinho (Keita 67′), Wijnaldum; Salah, Firmino (Shaqiri 79′), Origi (Oxlade-Chamberlain 79′).

Manchester City XI (4-3-3) Bravo; Walker, Stones, Otamendi, Zinchenko; De Bruyne (Foden 89′), Rodri, Silva (Gundogan 61′); Bernardo Silva, Sterling, Sane (Gabriel Jesus 13′).

1,725 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Postman Ty
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Ryan (Button)
    Robertson - VVD - Coleman (Rico - Lundstram)
    Salah - Sterling - Fraser - Perez - Barkley
    Vardy - King (Greenwood)

    Pretty settled on this now. I'm aware there's no bench and Barkley's minutes need to be monitored. Pretty happy, any other suggestions or concerns?

    Cheers.

    1. borko
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Digne instead of coleman...perez tough schedules...barkley risk but I think you should try

  2. Shoplifters United
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Siggy, Richarlison, or Zaha (assuming his move to Everton becomes official)?

    1. borko
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Siggy...I'm thinking kean will also be great

      1. FPL_Gyarados
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 8 months ago

        I second this.

  3. finnish92
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts?

    Pope
    VVD, Zinchenko, Coleman, Dunk
    Salah(c), Sterling, Moura, Perez
    Kane, King

    Bench: Heaton, Greenwood, Lundstram, Dendoncker

    1. FPL_Gyarados
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Solid.

  4. borko
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Little help please...

    a) tilemans,deulofeu,aguero
    b) wilson,kane,barkley
    c)kean,kane,b.silva but one defender -1.0

    1. TheBrazilianRonaldo
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      A to be different, b to be template, c seems less good

    2. Shoplifters United
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      B, though I'd be tempted to save .5 moving from Barkley to McGinn or Robinson (if neither is already in your squad). Not sure Barkley is nailed. McGinn looks especially primed for a solid campaign.

      1. borko
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 8 months ago

        But will aguero play from first game?...barkley is big risk but good pre-season...kean...I think he will be new lukaku( everton days)

      2. borko
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 8 months ago

        What about...kean,kane,robinson and fornales...I already have salah,sterling I mfd

    3. FPL_Gyarados
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      B

  5. PrincessPorkie
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    A) Ryan / Fabi
    VVD Digne AWB Zinchenko / Lundstram
    KBD Perez Pogba Barkley / Dendonker
    Kane Auba / Long
    1.0 ITB

    B) Ryan / Pope
    VVD Digne AWB Zinchenko / Lundstram
    KBD Perez Salah Barkley / Dendonker
    Kane Rashford / Long

  6. TheBrazilianRonaldo
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    alright - I’m interested to know what people see the upside of Sterling is this year beyond 230 points?

  7. The 12th Man
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Question.
    How many points are we realistically expecting Ross Barkley to get in GW1 against United?

    2 - 5

    1. TheBrazilianRonaldo
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      1 with a yellow

    2. Miguel Sanchez
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      8

      1. Miguel Sanchez
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 8 months ago

        Penalty in a 1-1 draw and 1 BPS point

    3. Offside
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Goal from pen/freekick

  8. John Colby (Capt)
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Thanks to Ffs I got AWB at 4.0 from the start last year - really appreciated that insight everyone so thanks once more!!! So is Lundstram the 4.0 enabler this season?

    1. Edbearg
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      I'm going with him to start I think but he's not the new AWB. I think Kelly will play a few to start but also keeping an eye on Gibson at Burnley. Enablers don't need to play really, how often do you need your third sub really.

  9. Couch Potato
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Lots of people including Perez in their teams - how come there's no love for Tielemans (for the same price), or Maddison for that matter?

    1. Edbearg
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Out of position appeal for Perez I guess... higher potential ceiling. Plus a suspicion that if he can be half decent at Newcastle he could be great elsewhere.

  10. Edbearg
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Any views?

    Pope / Heaton
    TAA, VVD, Coleman, Dunk, Lundstram
    Salah, Sterling, Barkley, Hojberg, Dendonk
    Kane, King, Ings

    Could swap Kane & Hojberg for Rashford & Moura. Just can't bring myself to pick any of the strikers under £6m!

  11. Offside
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Krul

    Walker VVD Maguire

    Salah Barkley Perez Fraser

    Kane, Vardy, Wilson

    1. Edbearg
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Strong and I admire the confidence to go with all fodder on the bench... can never quite bring myself to do that (coward).
      Don't like Walker though, prefer Digne or Zinchenko and spend 0.5m elsewhere (bench)

      1. Edbearg
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 8 months ago

        Only just realised that's no Man City attack though!

        1. Offside
          • 4 Years
          4 years, 8 months ago

          The team with Sterling:

          Pope

          Walker VVD Maguire

          Salah Barkley Perez Sterling

          Jota Kane King

    2. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      I’d say needs City attack

      1. Offside
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 8 months ago

        Aguero?

        I like the idea of a Salah, Kane, Aguero team - then rotate the captain for the hatricks.

  12. Shark Team
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Which option?
    A)TAA + Zinchenko
    B)Van Dijk + Walker

    Ps...*João Cancelo scares me

    1. dg362
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      B

    2. boother92
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      A

  13. dg362
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Please RMT

    Heaton - Pope
    Van Dijk - Walker - Digne - Wan Bissaka - Lundstram
    De Bruyne - Bernardo Silva - Mane - Perez - Ceballos
    Kane - King - Greenwood

  14. Shark Team
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Which trio is probably better?
    A) Coleman Zinchenko Jimenez
    B) Digne Walker Jota

    1. FPL_Gyarados
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      B

  15. dg362
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    A) Mane and Ceballos
    B) Salah and Dendoncker

    1. FPL_Gyarados
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Salah for now anyway

  16. pablo discobar
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    GK Heaton
    DEF Wan Bis, VVD, Digne, Rico
    MID Salah, Siggy, Perez, Sterling
    FWD Kane, King

    Subs (Button), Greenwood, Deondoker, Lundstram

    Hows it looking? No citeh defence

    1. FPL_Gyarados
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      I like it

  17. Offside
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Krul

    Walker VVD Maguire

    Salah Barkley Redmond Perez

    Kane Aguero King

    1. MarcusAurelius
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Like the Aguero differential. I’d downgrade Walker to Stones/Zinc the lose Redmond and get TAA

      1. Offside
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 8 months ago

        Good idea. I’m not sure if Aguero will start but by gw4 I think he’s on for a hatrick.

  18. MarcusAurelius
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Think I’m settled now what do we reckon?

    Heaton
    TAA VVD AWB Diop
    Salah Siggy Barkley KDB
    Wilson Kane

    Button Kelly Dendoncker Greenwood

  19. Bisso
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts on my team?
    Heaton
    TAA VVD Digne
    Salah Siggy Sterling Fraser Perez
    King Jota

    Button Kelly Lundstram Wickham

    Thinking of Zinchenko to replace VVD for City defense

    1. no kane no pain
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Digne>coleman

      And jota with wolves in europa and fixtures u can look at others in the 6.5- 7 bracket. Or get a better keeper than Button who will actually swap like Ryan or pope.

      Doubled up on CP bench.. I'd look to see if u can get others who can give u game time.

      Dunk
      Gibson
      Hanley
      Targett

      To name but a few in defence at least and see how that goes

      1. Kiwivillan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 8 months ago

        As Villa fan I'd have all 3 of backline ahead of Targett

  20. no kane no pain
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Some interesting dilemmas

    Heaton pope (either as sub)
    Vvd robbo Coleman (target, Taylor)
    Siggy, trossard, salah, sterling, fraser
    King Wesley (greenwoodl

    Not sure forward line is strong on balance with greenwood not going to have much of a look in and Wesley perhaps the only punt

    A

    Do I free up funds from either Siggy or fraser and get perez. And spruce up 3rd forward and who would that be.. Was thinking SU mgoldrick at 5.5

    B

    do I look at dunk and Gibson and also Siggy and look at vardy King mgoldrick. Thinking he is on pen duties at SU and they are no longer in market for a striker.

  21. LloristheHounds
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    A) Wilson + dunk
    Or
    B) VVD+ 6.0 fwd

    Already have TAA

  22. Aubamazette
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    A) Pickford & Zinchenko 442
    B) Ryan & Zaha/Perez 352

  23. etown
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Good evening everyone, any suggestions?

    Ryan

    VVD. Digne. Cathcart. Lundstram.

    Fraser. Sterling. Gross. Salah.

    Wilson. Aubameyang.

    McGovern, Greenwood, Dendoncker, Kelly.

    0 ITB.

    Thinking Gross to either Barkley or Perez, maybe even to Jorginho to free up some $ to upgrade defense a bit.

    1. Thomas Magnum
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Yeah think you need to upgrade one of your defenders, wouldn't feel comfortable starting two 4.5's

  24. Any Laporte in a Storm
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone going set and forget with Heaton? I've got him in so far. Think he's good for 140ish.

    1. Thomas Magnum
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      I am, feel my team is better with a 4.5 set and forget than a premium just cause their value

    2. Kiwivillan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Outscored Lloris last 6 seasons scores in his 2 injury free seasons. 149 lowest score

  25. Crazygopher
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Last draft. Any thoughts ? Got one not shore of. Take a guess.
    Ryan button
    Coleman vvd rob zinch lund
    Sterl salah fras bilver den
    Wilson green wesley

  26. chigumbura111
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    RMT

    ryan
    vvd, zinchenko, coleman, wan bissaka
    salah sterling fraser barkley
    kane jota

    bench: button greenwood rico dendoncker

    1. Wally711
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      I like it but you need 3 Liverpool and 3 city imo

  27. Wally711
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Ederson
    Taa-robo-
    Barkley-salah-KDB-sterling
    Jota- Jimenez

    I have 11 points for 2 defenders please help

    1. Wally711
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Sorry 9 pts

    2. Offside
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Aarons at Norwich and Guilbert at Villa, Stevens 5.0 plays right wing back and gets assists and goals for Sheff utd. Taylor at Burnely. Diop seems to get goals but getting pumped by city first game isn’t a good look.

      Overall I think if Villa have a good season, Guilbert might be the one. Jota at Villa in mid could be the value at 6.0.

      Guilbert v Spurs might be 0-0. Then Aarons at home to Newcastle could either be Norwich cs or them unleashing their attacking potential. Aarons gets forward a lot. Linked up with Pukki a few times last season. This is just what I’m telling myself.

  28. 11SPECIALONE11
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Everton fans!! Do you think Moise kean starts right away?

  29. HollywoodXI
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts on this lot?

    Lloris
    TAA Digne Zinchenko
    Salah Sterling Perez Moura Barkley
    Wilson Wood

    Button A.Smith Rico Greenwood

  30. Offside
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 8 months ago

    Is Krul better option than Ryan or Heaton? So many save opportunities coming his way.