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Recapping the best Sheff Utd players ahead of FPL restart

Fantasy Premier League managers will have to be shrewd in their decision making when it comes to picking Sheffield United players for the remainder of the season.

Their Double Gameweek in the opening round has heightened interest in their assets but it can be difficult to work out which ones are the best to consider without looking at the underlying statistics.

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However, it should still serve to know who was performing best before the break.

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  1. BigManBakar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Who are the best Sheffield defenders to own?

    https://twitter.com/BigManBakar/status/1271895334097162242

    1. HVT
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Thanks mate, was just about to mail you!
      In terms of strategy for someone with chips left (as below) any tips FF?

      1. BigManBakar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Hey man! Hope you've been fine. I don't think there's a "right" or "wrong" strategy in my opinion. I can see the pros and cons of using either a BB or FH this week.

        1. HVT
          • 10 Years
          8 months, 17 days ago

          All good here mate, k I’ll need to see how the breeze flows, good to see you!

    2. Amey
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      So i have gone with highest goal threat unknowingly !!
      😀

      Lack of money can be blessing sometimes ...

      1. BigManBakar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Good luck bro! 🙂

        1. Amey
          • 2 Years
          8 months, 17 days ago

          Thanks and same to you bro !!

    3. fcsaltyballs
      • 5 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      This is good thanks

      1. BigManBakar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Pleasure

  2. HVT
    • 10 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    For those with BB, FH, WC, why not just use the unlimited transfers this week, and then use the other 3 as needed.
    Is a Bb of possibly 6 players worth more than giving away ‘unlimited transfers?’

    1. The Count of Monte Cristo
      • 8 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Because it is very unlikely that there will be another DGW where the chips really come into their own.

    2. Prøfeßör …
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      You can use unlimited transfers and BB mate. That's the popular strategy if you have a WC left

      1. Prøfeßör …
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Ahh, I see. Misread

      2. HVT
        • 10 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Yea understand (apologies only returning to game now) but is it worth the Extra 6 players Out? (if no sgw and rotation doesn’t bite)

        1. Prøfeßör …
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          8 months, 17 days ago

          Yeah, I think it's worth it. Two bites at the cherry with the doublers (including two keepers with two fixtures), and your single GW players will be the likes of Jimenez, Doherty, TAA and Alonso etc rather than Lascelles, Egan away at United and so on and so forth

          1. HVT
            • 10 Years
            8 months, 17 days ago

            Yea when you put it like that, certainly makes sense.
            Just need a team now...

    3. Kuqi Monster
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Bench boost best used in a DGW and there is unlikely to be another this season.

      1. HVT
        • 10 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Thanks Kuqi, seems to be consensus on this-where you at?

        1. Kuqi Monster
          • 10 Years
          8 months, 17 days ago

          I'll be using the unlimited transfers and BB, team fairly settled...

          1. HVT
            • 10 Years
            8 months, 17 days ago

            Will you WC then in in 31?

            1. Kuqi Monster
              • 10 Years
              8 months, 17 days ago

              Yup!

      2. Ginkapo FPL
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Is bench boost best used in a dgw? That seems to be a myth to me

        1. HVT
          • 10 Years
          8 months, 17 days ago

          This is why I ask, have all chips (bar TC) and was looking at options.

    4. Slitherene
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      I'm taking that route, coz I feel when the fixtures turn after Liverpool win the league around GW 33, I'll need a WC.

    5. just a man
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      I know you didn't mention you'd got TC left, but I'm thinking TC might be better option for this last DGW personally. You can still in plenty of DGW players in. BB can still be effective in other single GWs.

  3. That Posh Bloke
    • 3 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Someone in my mini-league is banging on that leagues have restarted again. Is this true? I've said it's not but he's insisting.

    1. HamezMace
      • 6 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Stick to your guns.

      1. Amey
        • 2 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Sir !!

    2. NIKO.
      • 3 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Don’t take any nonsense! you tell him old chap!

  4. fcsaltyballs
    • 5 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Best SHU duo from the below (May play Lundstram but only if I get some more confidence behind him starting):

    1. Stevens Egan
    2. Baldock O’Connell

    Thanks

    1. Tsparkes10
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Tricky. I’d go 2

    2. Kuqi Monster
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      2

    3. Phil's Stamps
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      According to the stats I was reading above, you want Stevens over Baldock if you can afford him.

      1. fcsaltyballs
        • 5 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Thanks mate

        Who would you say out of Egan and O’Connell?

        1. Phil's Stamps
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          8 months, 17 days ago

          It looks like O'Connell but it's very close.

          1. fcsaltyballs
            • 5 Years
            8 months, 17 days ago

            Thanks PS

            Also just seen this

            https://twitter.com/BigManBakar/status/1271895334097162242

            Not sure how credible but gives a picture I guess

  5. McSauce
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    A or B

    A) Baldock & Mount
    B) VVD & Fleck

    1. Kuqi Monster
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      A

    2. Amey
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      A all day long.

      Owning VVD is so frustrating.

    3. McSauce
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      I already have 2 x SHU Defenders

      1. Amey
        • 2 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Still A between those options for me

      2. Slitherene
        • 2 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Then B with Alonso, maybe?

  6. Amey
    • 2 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    I saw a FFF tweet that 98.3 FPL teams are dead ...

    No surprise FPL gave away unlimited FT's ... 😀

    1. JfA
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Maybe a lot of people didn't see the point of tinkering but I wouldn't say dead, they all should have been made to pay for their blaspheme and laziness, never mind unlimited free transfers!

      1. Amey
        • 2 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Ha ha

  7. The Red Devil
    • 5 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Sterling or mane for DGW only?
    Already own kdb aguero, ederson & TAA as cover
    (Will change keeper too)

    1. Amey
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Ederson makes things spicy hmm.
      He's a virtual 12 points walking 😀

      I am punting Raz this GW. Even thinking about © him

      1. The Red Devil
        • 5 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Know right, raz is so uncertain, he could score anywhere between 1-20 points & it wouldn't surprise me!

        1. Amey
          • 2 Years
          8 months, 17 days ago

          Yeah

  8. larryofiah
    • 1 Year
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Patricio, Martin
    Baldock, Basham, O'connell, Mendy, Lascelles
    Son, Mane, Martial, KDB, Mount
    Auba, Rashford Nketiah

    After the double GW thinking to change one of my 3 SU defenders in to Boly. Any other suggested changes or good to go?

    1. JfA
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      I'm thinking of bringing Maguire in, fixtures are all Man U and at £5.3 it's looking good.

  9. ratski
    • 10 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    I just can’t face a BB as will lose too much TV.
    So Fh it is.

    For me it comes down to...
    A. Sterling and fleck
    B. Ozil and mahrez

    Leno (burton)
    Stevens, o Connell, Taa, (Targett, Lascelles)
    Kdb, Sterling, fleck, Grealish, (Saka)
    Aguero, aug. Jimi

    1. Slitherene
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      A

    2. ratski
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Actually add option C. Mahrez and Bruno

      1. Mid budget coach
        • 1 Year
        8 months, 17 days ago

        This

  10. The Train Driver
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Best 2 shef def to get? Price doesn't matter.

    1. Slitherene
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Stevens + Baldock

      1. Federerisgod
        • 3 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Stevens and the Lord

    2. JfA
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Lord and Stevens and Hendo!

      1. Federerisgod
        • 3 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Exactly this

  11. endy919
    • 2 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Leno-Henderson
    Saiss-TAA-Lascelles-Targett-Baldock
    KDB-Mahrez-Grealish-Mount-Fleck
    Auba-Kun-Jimenez

    on BB . GTG ?

  12. ChickenTikkaMoSalah
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    How’s this for a FH team?
    Henderson (Button)
    Baldock,Stevens,Saiss (Lascelles,Janmat)
    Pepe,KDB,Mahrez,Grealish (Amartey)
    Aguero(C),Laca,Auba

    1. ratski
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      I like it but people warning against Pepe

      1. JfA
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        loads of different podcasts/video's warning against Pepe and Ozil.

    2. Slitherene
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      7.5

  13. Ronnies
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Best option ?

    A) O'Connell / Targett / Pukki

    b) Baldock / Saiss / Samatta

    Thanks guys.

    1. Phil's Stamps
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      A

    2. Cowboy John
      • 8 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      A

    3. Congers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      B

  14. Phil's Stamps
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    For the run-in after the DGW:

    A) Grealish
    B) DCL

    1. Lascelles
    2. Taylor

    Thanks.

    1. Cowboy John
      • 8 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      B1

    2. piotas
      • 5 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      B1

    3. Phil's Stamps
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      I was leaning towards 1 but B over A surprises me. I thought people might prefer a talisman in a team fighting for their lives over an important player but in a team with nothing to play for.

  15. Pia06rc
    • 2 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Would you rather pick

    A) Doherty and Jota
    B) Saiss and Jiminez

    For rest of season

    1. Phil's Stamps
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Tough one that, toss a coin. Jimenez will be popular though for the run-in.

    2. Cowboy John
      • 8 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      B

      Jota seems most likely to have his minutes managed.

    3. piotas
      • 5 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      I would go with jimi for the rest of the season

  16. piotas
    • 5 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    if i make a transfer and then select free hit, will the transfer be active for the following week?

    1. Phil's Stamps
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      No

      1. piotas
        • 5 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Makes sense, tks

  17. Sous Chef
    • 5 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    If my team is in ok shape am I better off FH?

    McCarthy Button
    TAA Robbo Lascelles Soy, Stephens
    Barnes KDB Salah Bruno Cant
    Jimi Auba DCL

  18. Netters2018
    • 2 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Think ive finished with my team BB this week and then WC. Only doubt may be Samatta as i have 1.3m itb.
    Leno, Ederson
    TAA, Alonso, Doherty, Egan, O Connell
    KDB, Grealish, Barnes, Mount, Fleck
    Auba, Aguero, Sammatta.

    Any suggestions welcome

    1. piotas
      • 5 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Like the team, just dont like the sammatta pick, but for one week punt, go for it

    2. JfA
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Can't guarantee it but I think after 43 times, I've finally settled on my team.

    3. JfA
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      That might obviously change upon hearing pressers.

    4. Netters2018
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Yeah i know samatta is a funny one just thinking 2x90 mins and might nick a goal or something.. only striker that tempts me under 7m for this gw is jota but not sure he would outscore samatta

  19. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Evening all!! I have BB, TC and FH left!!(no 2nd WC) what do we think to this team?? Could use BB or TC?? Any advice welcomed!!
    Leno/ Reina
    TAA Doherty Stevens O’Connell Fernandez
    KDB Sterling Grealish Fernandes Cantwell
    Aguero Jiménez Abraham

    1. bitm2007
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Bench looks good, I don't think you will get a better opportunity to use BB.

      1. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Think your right mate I’ve been back and forth with what my best option is coz my team is set up beautifully for after this double game week and so FH is a possibility still too,wish we didn’t have unlimited free transfers then my decision would be so much easier haha

  20. rozzo
    • 7 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Hows this looking?

    No wildcard but will benchboost

    Hendo Reina
    TAA Saiss Lascelles Egan Lund
    KDB Son Fernandes Grielish Saka
    Aguero Rashford Jimenez

  21. timawflowers
    • 3 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Hi, how's this for a free hit? . Going to wildcard after
    Henderson
    Taa, lund, lascelles
    Sterling grealish kdb Saka bruno
    Aguero auba

    1. bitm2007
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Teams looks good but given that your using WC after I'd use the unlimited transfers and save the FH, I know you will lose some TV but the FH is a powerful chips worth saving.

      1. timawflowers
        • 3 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Thank you. Could decide between a - eagan and leno
        B- lascelles and hendo
        Went with option b

    2. timawflowers
      • 3 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Sorry meant unlimited transfers and wc after this week

  22. tambourineman
    • 6 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Two positive coronavirus tests have come in the latest round of Premier League testing, one of them is a Norwich City player who will now self-isolate for a period of seven days and miss the Southampton match

    1. The Count of Monte Cristo
      • 8 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Does that include staff as welll?

      1. tambourineman
        • 6 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Yes, the 2 cases come from 1200 players and club staff who were tested on Thursday and Friday.

  23. MOZIL
    • 4 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    is anyone getting Sharp as a 3rd striker? he might be a good pick for the dgw

    1. Herman Toothrot
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      On the flipside, he might not.

  24. Danstoke82
    • 6 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Which BB team should I go with for DGW? Think I’m nearly settled.

    Team A;
    Leno*
    TAA Stevens* Baldock*
    KDB* Mahrez* Grealish* McGinn*
    Aguero* Aubameyang* Jimenez

    Subs; Reina* O’Connell* Doherty Saka*

    Team B:
    Leno*
    TAA Stevens* Egan*
    KDB* Sterling* Grealish* McGinn*
    Aguero* Aubameyang* Abraham

    Subs: Reina* O’Connell* Saka* Lascelles

    Thanks in advance.

    1. A Fat Spanish Waiter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      tough one. Almost a coin flop. In my opinion:

      Baldock > Egan
      Mahrez Lascelles
      Abraham = Jimmy

      If forced, I'd give the edge to A

      1. A Fat Spanish Waiter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        evidently, this site doesn't like the ">" sign. What I was trying to say was: Baldock is a bit better than Egan. Sterling is much better than Mahrez. Doherty is better than Lascelles. Abraham and Jimmy are a coin flip. Throw that all together, and its a tough call.

        1. Danstoke82
          • 6 Years
          8 months, 17 days ago

          Many thanks for your feedback. I’ll sleep on it I think but I feel I need Sterling somehow

  25. Lav
    • 4 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Thoughts? Got 9.2m to fill last two spots. Playing BB & WC will be used in 2-3 GWs.

    Dubravka x
    TAA Stevenes Baldock Saiss x
    Mane KDB Grealish Barnes Cantwell
    Kun Rash Jimi

    1. _Ninja_
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Reina Targett on bb

    2. bitm2007
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Reina and Egan.

  26. Federerisgod
    • 3 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    I can’t quite understand the love for Leno over Hendo on a free hit. Surely we cant be expecting more than 1 or 2 points from the City game with 2 great clean sheet chances for Hendo along with potential save/ bonus points..

    1. Would Ed Woodward
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Because I'm going triple SHU defence and Leno is preferable to a defender from Arsenal.

      1. Blunder fc
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        This, good chance of save points vs city and nailed.

  27. A Fat Spanish Waiter
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Tough one. Almost a coin flip. IMHO...

    Baldock > Egan
    Mahrez Abraham
    Doherty > Lascelles

    1. A Fat Spanish Waiter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      wow...reply fail. oops.

  28. FPL Pillars
    • 4 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    Right here we go again

    Leno McCarthy
    TAA Lundy O’Connell Egan Targett
    Sterling KDB Fernandes Grealish McGinn
    Aguero Jiménez Abraham

    0.0 ITB
    This would be for BB and WC 31

    1. _Ninja_
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Looks good

    2. The Count of Monte Cristo
      • 8 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Looks really nice. Not keen on Aubameyang?

      1. FPL Pillars
        • 4 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        I have another draft BB with him in. Depends on the pressers final call. I am not that confident about him hauling let’s put it that way. Obviously a little safer to cover and have him though.
        If I know that Tammy starts think I’ll give Auba a miss.

        1. The Count of Monte Cristo
          • 8 Years
          8 months, 17 days ago

          Fair argument. Arsenal fan and I'm not confident of a haul to be honest but with some many going for him I do feel it is risky.

          If you have Aguero and Auba, Auba's fixtures in 31+ and 32+ are very nice if you end up keeping just Auba...

  29. The Count of Monte Cristo
    • 8 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    For DGW30+:

    A) Mahrez + Fernandes

    B) Sterling + McGinn

    Have 0.2m value tied up in Fernandes and would likely have him from WC31+ onwards

    1. Blunder fc
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      A) mcginn might not be match fit

      1. The Count of Monte Cristo
        • 8 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Very good point - thanks!

  30. FPL Diet
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    8 months, 17 days ago

    How’s this looking? BB in 30+ followed by a Wildcard

    Leno Henderson
    TAA Stevens O’Connell Boly Saiss
    KDB Sterling Pepe Grealish McGinn
    Aguero Samatta Nketiah

    Personally happy to go without Auba for the benefit of the rest of the team, allows me to go Sterling & hold others - what do you think???

    Please advise... all comments gratefully received

    1. Original Pirate Material
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Would prefer Auba over Pepe mate, for me he is the only option.

      1. FPL Diet
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        It’s a tough one, even with downgrading Sterling to Mahrez - Pepe to Auba needs me to rip up the rest , maybe a bridge too far - Auba to start vs. City with the Brighton game so close, is he guaranteed to start that one? Can see Nketiah on the Bench vs. City & then start vs. Brighton. Difficult call

    2. Optimus.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      Too much of your funds spent up top..

      Aguero > Sharp maybe?

      1. _Ninja_
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        😀

      2. HamezMace
        • 6 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Very nearly fell for that!

      3. FPL Diet
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Haha! Keep it cheap 😉

    3. A Fat Spanish Waiter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      If it were me, I'd go Reina instead of Henderson and replace McGinn with Fleck. I'd imagine there wont be universal agreement around that idea, but triple Sheff defense would spook me.

    4. Congers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 months, 17 days ago

      I like it. Going to captain Sterling?

      1. FPL Diet
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        8 months, 17 days ago

        Considering it, but may wimp out at last minute & go Aguero / KDB - I’m top of most of my mini leagues, so have a eye to defend, but Sterling would be the bold shout