Scout Notes

Barnes matches Vardy’s output over last four ahead of Double Gameweek

Crystal Palace 1-1 Leicester

  • Goals: Wilfried Zaha (£7.5m) | Harvey Barnes (£6.7m)
  • Assists: Andros Townsend (£5.7m) | Jonny Evans (£5.5m)
  • Penalty misses: Kelechi Iheanacho (£5.6m)
  • Penalty saves: Vicente Guaita (£4.9m)
  • Bonus points: Evans x3, Guaita 2, H Barnes x1

BARNES DOOR

Harvey Barnes (£6.7m) is making a strong case for winter investment as he added his fifth Premier League goal of the season against Crystal Palace.

It was the midfielder’s second in as many outings, made all the more impressive by the gap between his two most recent outings.

Despite Leicester facing matches on Saturday and Monday, Barnes played 90 minutes on each occasion, suggesting he is more nailed-on to start and, therefore, more viable as a Fantasy asset, than many of us had previously thought.

Brendan Rodgers praised his powers of recovery in the aftermath of the Foxes’ 1-1 draw at Selhurst Park, as well as his performance – helpful information for anyone considering a swoop for Barnes.

“I thought he was outstanding, to play a second 90 minutes having done so well against Man United, to play with that level of fitness. His movement was very helpful, getting us the penalty as well. All around he was a good threat.” – Brendan Rodgers

As mentioned by Rodgers, Barnes’ running would have ensured two attacking returns for Gameweek 16 had Kelechi Iheanacho (£5.6m) not missed the first-half penalty he won.

“I just said at half-time, it’s one you’ve got to let go. Kel’s practised five penalties this week in training and they were great. He was confident going in to take it and that’s all I can ask.” – Brendan Rodgers

……….. IT’S JAMIE VARDY

Even without adding that assist to his Gameweek 16 score, Barnes has still matched Jamie Vardy (£10.1m) as a Fantasy asset over the last four matches.

Bringing in eight points at Selhurst Park, one through bonus, the winger has racked up 20 during that time, an average of five per game.

The fact that Vardy suffered an inevitable benching on Monday means he also has 20 points over that period and an average of five per game – despite a £3.4m gap between him and Barnes’ price.

Leicester are certainly on the Fantasy radar right now with a Gameweek 17 trip to Newcastle in mind as well as Double Gameweek 19 meetings with Southampton (home) and Chelsea (home).

Considering that Vardy has suffered a dip from the form shown earlier in the campaign, and typically performs better away from home, Barnes could well be used as a cheaper alternative route into their attack based on recent performances.

The fact that he has started each of the last four, lasting 90 minutes in three of them, might count against him in the short-term, although Leicester do have a six-day gap between Gameweek 16 and 17 fixtures.

GOOD WIL HUNTING

It feels like some time since Wilfried Zaha (£7.5m) has delivered for his 19.4% ownership but there are plenty of encouraging signs moving forward.

His contribution to Crystal Palace’s campaign was, of course, limited by his self-isolation period for Gameweeks 9 and 10 – perhaps why he has been off the radar to some extent recently.

However, Zaha’s Gameweek 16 opener ensured he has now scored or assisted in all but one home start against sides outside the Premier League’s current top two.

With that in mind, the winger is worth considering between now and Gameweek 21, when Palace face three home matches from a possible five.

Even better, those home meetings are with Sheffield United, West Ham and Wolves – exactly the sort of opponent Zaha has enjoyed posting attacking returns against this season.

Crystal Palace XI (4-4-2): Guaita; Mitchell, Kouyaté, Tomkins, Clyne; Schlupp (Ayew 84′), Riedewald (McArthur 74′), Milivojević, A Townsend; Zaha, Benteke.

Leicester City XI (4-2-3-1): Schmeichel; L Thomas, Evans, Amartey, Justin; N Mendy, Choudhury (Tielemans 57′); H Barnes, Praet (Vardy 66′), Pérez; Iheanacho (Gray 72′).

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1,024 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Tim Canterbury
    • 9 Years
    2 months, 2 days ago

    Rhys Williams in for James?

    1. Atimis
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Will he start DGW?

      1. FourLokoLeipzig
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Can’t see him starting both

    2. Do I Not Like Orange
      • 8 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      No point. If he starts, Liverpool will concede.

  2. The Frenchie
    • 4 Years
    2 months, 2 days ago

    Can I please have your option guys?

    Do you think its worth it to get Rashford (LIV&FUL) instead of Son (SHU) for the DGW19? It means that I have to do this move for GW17 already when Rashford will face Aston Villa and Son Leeds. GW18 will be Free hit. It's also mean that I'm going to lost 0.4 million as I will get Son back on GW21 with my Wildcard.

    Initial team for DGW19:

    Meslier (BHA & SOU)

    Zouma (FUL & LEI)
    Chilwell (FUL & LEI)
    Coufal (BUR & WBA)

    Salah (MUN & BUR)
    Bruno (LIV & FUL)
    Soucek (BUR & WBA)
    Maddison (SHU & CHE)
    Son (SHE)

    Bamford (BHA & SOU)
    Vardy (SOU & CHE)

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 3 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Spurs looking like they are running through treacle so yes

  3. Silent Friend
    • 9 Years
    2 months, 2 days ago

    Just did Grealish to Neto last night (bought him at 7.0)

    1. Atimis
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      I moved him to Soucek 😀

    2. Sir Alex Telles.
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Bad move as Grealish will defo score vs man united's leaky boat back 4.

      1. Atimis
        • 4 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Shiettt talk like with waiting KDB to score

      2. It’s gonna Ben Mee
        • 7 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        He was supposed to score vs Palace, Burnley, Brighton etc too. Good riddance.

    3. El Presidente
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      2 months, 2 days ago

      You cant get attached to players value... I did the same with Grealish & DCL... time to move on

  4. Atimis
    • 4 Years
    2 months, 2 days ago

    Barnes or Raphinha?

    Have Vardy and Bamford.

    1. The Frenchie
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Barnes

    2. nico05
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Barnes

    3. Stormbringer22
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Barnes

    4. It’s gonna Ben Mee
      • 7 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Depends on what you do with the extra 1.3m

  5. Henrik Larsson
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    2 months, 2 days ago

    Who do we reckon is the best "cheap" 5th midfielder to get in with DGW19 in mind (under 5.5)?

    Rafinha
    Soucek
    Lookman

    Any others?

    1. Sir Alex Telles.
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Soucek

      1. nico05
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        I agree with this. Raphina a close second

    2. LewanGOALski
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      I am currently on both Soucek & Raphinha as 4th & 5th - BBing in DGW19

    3. trinzoo
      • 6 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      How about wait and see them today and tomorrow? 🙂

      1. trinzoo
        • 6 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Also, I would probably double Irons def (Fabian and Coufal) for BB19 and still hope for Antonio being able to play - so no room for Soucek.

        1. Henrik Larsson
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Yeah Trinzoo this is what I'm thinking too. I already have Balbuena and Coufal and would like Antonio ideally for the DGW.

          I'll have a look tomorrow and decide after those games. Possibly swaying towards Raf. Stats wise not much between them either.

    4. Karhumies
      • 8 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Soucek unless you want to go super cheap with Romeu or Anguissa.

    5. Blzbobuk
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      I went soucek and raphina but had Lookman in some drafts - it’s about the money elsewhere. Soucek more likely to get the clean sheet point which might be 50% higher score than the other 2. Score wise it’s who you get lucky with as getting something every third game would be a good result for the price.

  6. nico05
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    2 months, 2 days ago

    Had KDB all season and wanted to stick with him but after the covid outbreak is it now time to get rid?
    If so who for? current midfield: Bruno-Salah-Neto-Grealish
    Thank you

    1. Sir Alex Telles.
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Son.

      1. nico05
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Although no DGW?

        1. Sir Alex Telles.
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Single gameweek players outscore double gameweek players a lot more than you can imagine.

          1. nico05
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 2 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            I agree tbh

          2. Homer21
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            This

    2. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 3 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Mane?

      1. nico05
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Another good shout, cheers guys

    3. El Presidente
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Rashford?

  7. Salarrivederci
    • 4 Years
    2 months, 2 days ago

    Come on Rashford. Make OGS start you tonight and qualify me in the Cup 😉

    1. Sir Alex Telles.
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      He'll play.

      1. Salarrivederci
        • 4 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Hope so 😉

        I lend some of you my bench players then 😉

        1. Sir Alex Telles.
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          If Kilman plays. I field out 10. Not the worst possible outcome IMO.

          1. Salarrivederci
            • 4 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            I got this 😉

            Martínez (3)
            TAA - Robertson - Coufal
            (C) Salah - (vc) Fernandes - Son - Rashford - Grealish (2)
            Bamford - Welbeck

            (Farrell, Balbuena, Brewster, Mitchell (2) )

  8. Jordan.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    2 months, 2 days ago

    if i wore shorts as tight as grealish they would split and no shinpads my legs would be shredded by opposition sides ,also dubious comments by the mrs about his handsomness ,im rather glad he is on the wane,#notasfitasme

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 3 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      He seems to be morphing into Desperate Dan (ask your dad/granddad)

      1. Jordan.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        googled it,LOL

      1. Fulchester's New Centr…
        • 3 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        To be fair to him, so long as he is still producing the goods for Villa (and he is), why not?

        1. Pumpy Pro
          • 11 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Yep..People get jealous of other people who have it all . He does what he wants because he can. Fair play

          1. El Presidente
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 1 Year
            2 months, 2 days ago

            He shouldnt be able to do what he wants just because "he can". WTF

            1. Deulofail
              • 5 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Tbf being with a 'sulty black woman' is not on a par with drink driving, so you're both right, depending on what you mean haha

              1. Pumpy Pro
                • 11 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Apart from drink driving obviously. The other stuff is just Jack being Jack the lad

        2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Exactly, why not drink & drive - what’s the worst that could happen eh 🙂

        3. Fulchester's New Centr…
          • 3 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          For clarity - doing things that endanger others, be it breaking lockdown rules and the laws of the road is obviously not cool; but going out in odd-slippers and doing things that young men enjoy, why not?

          1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            We’ve found Grealish’s lawyer’s account...

          2. Pumpy Pro
            • 11 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Its up to the club to punish him. If they let him get away with it then that's up to them.

            Drink driving is very bad. Thought people would have assumed no one in their right mind would condone that

  9. Egg noodle
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    2 months, 2 days ago

    w.r.t. My earlier post of "Klich out and Bamford doubtful for tonight's game apparently"

    The source tweet has since been deleted since then, so apologies for causing any panic.

    1. Steve The Spud
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      2 months, 2 days ago

      Was just going to ask where this came from ? Don’t want bam to miss out !

      1. Bielsa Murderball
          2 months, 2 days ago

          yep, my (vc) here with salah (c)...hope atleast one of them will play.

        • Egg noodle
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Was from a Leeds fan who has been correct (once) before.

          Anyway, it's probably best to just completely ignore it because it has been deleted without explanation now.

      2. Sir Alex Telles.
        • 4 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Were you a Math or stats major?

      3. Sun Jihai
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        I have Klich and Bamford
        And KDB
        GW from hell

    2. Original - Wolves Ay We
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 months, 2 days ago

      I think some people take this game far to seriously. It's not a business where you're going to lose millions if some games are postponed. It's the same for everyone, some will get lucky others won't. Getting overly upset or wanting the rules changed is not productive. Just buckle down and learn to adapt, try a new strategy and have some fun.

      1. Sir Alex Telles.
        • 4 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Read my Bio.

      2. Steve The Spud
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        2 months, 2 days ago

        When I discovered this forum I was very surprised how seriously some people take it

      3. Olson
        • 6 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        The saltiness on here when the MCI game got cancelled was something to behold. Toys out of the pram and into the exosphere. Game is gone, season over, casuls casuals casuals, it's all just luck, what's the point etc etc. Marvelous stuff. Checked my league, two or three people have been saying they're approaching the season with a stronger bench, better squad, using rotation more often, avoiding tripling etc. Two of them are mid table and one is top, TOP! Chatted to them yesterday, they were very much looking forward to the week with their 11 strong players.

        Try telling them the game hads gone. Like you say, adapt.

        1. Baines on Toast...
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Agree. I think that ‘casual’ is now used as an insult to encapsulate the catch-all frustration that information is now more widely available and the general standard of play is much higher. Whereas a lot of people who have been playing for longer overthink things and miss the obvious like be prepared for disruption

          1. Zim0
            • 2 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Personally i think casual is a compliment. Its just an indirect way of saying they don't let this game affect them as much as everyone else who make this game basically the center of their lives.

          2. Olson
            • 6 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            it's basically the FPL equivalent of 'Karen' which is now just a term used for 'b1tch'. It has ceased to have any meaning at all. I honestly can't work out thesedays wether Brosstan's (for example) war against casuals is parody or not. I don't think he can either

            1. Baines on Toast...
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              I think it’s definitely parody in his case. He occasionally breaks the fourth wall.

          3. Olson
            • 6 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Or is it Irbox? I can't tell those two apart some days

          4. El Presidente
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 1 Year
            2 months, 2 days ago

            For me "casual" represents the "cant be bothered with all this" players in the game. People that just dont care much about it. And thats ok, there is space and opportunity for everyone.

            But there is no way to deny that its an element of the game. There is "casual luck" and also casuals luck. Two different concepts.

            Otherwise, how the heck do you explain that almost 20% of people in the top 10k didnt even used their 1st wildcard?

            1. Olson
              • 6 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              what makes me laugh is that 'casuals' (let's set an arbitrary benchmark of being people who don't read, adjust, lsten etc every single day) must vastly outweigh whatever people are who are not casuals. Really if anyone should be having a comically derogative slang term based on the fact that they are different, it should probably be us.

              'casuals' it always reminds me of repo man, when HDS and estevez are sitting in the car watching those people fighting across the road

              NSFW
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwSxBiS0rHY

        2. JIMMY764
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Unless you have a premium option on your bench to replace the likes of KDB this week, your points reference mitigation methods such as a ‘strong bench’ or ‘not tripling up’ this season are null and void.

          You can only limit the damage, those with alternative premiums will benefit this week, those with the likes of KDB are disadvantaged directly because of misfortune, nothing else.

      4. Deulofail
        • 5 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        I'd like the rules changed, but only because I'd like a better game. Bit of a boring child's gameas it is. Roll the dice, move the players around, roll again, move, cross the line and count up the points. Yawn!

      5. Zim0
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        They obviously have had their families kidnapped. They need to get in top 10k or the kidnappers will kill them all.

        1. Do I Not Like Orange
          • 8 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          If this isn't a film yet, it should be.

          1. Fulchester's New Centr…
            • 3 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            with Jason Statham, Sean Bean and Liam Neeson

            1. Fulchester's New Centr…
              • 3 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Mark Strong as the baddie obvs

      6. Homer21
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Ah yes, some common sense at last

      7. NateDogsCats
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Spot on, not to mention the fallout for some people and their families that covid can cause (whether they're players or staff or anyone else at the clubs affected). But no, muh FPL points

        • El Presidente
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 1 Year
          2 months, 2 days ago

          FPL is the most important thing out of the non important things in life. There you go.

        • Cruyff's Eleven
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Is there a minimum number of years being a member and/or hours "invested" in tinkering with one's team to be elevated out of casual status?

          And out of interest, what does one call a "non casual"?

          Asking for a friend.

          1. El Presidente
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 1 Year
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Serious player. And than the elite, the pro players.

      8. Hotdogs for Tea
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Good decisions will give you a good rank .... luck however determines how good that rank will be though 🙂

        1. Original - Wolves Ay We
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Yep.

        2. Deulofail
          • 5 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Nope.

          1. Amsterhammer
            • 5 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Well reasoned response.

            1. Deulofail
              • 5 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Nope.

            2. Deulofail
              • 5 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Have I done better now and impressed you, Daddy?

        3. Egg noodle
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Good decisions don't always give you a good rank though 🙂

          1. Hotdogs for Tea
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            I think most players with a good overall track record of, say, top 100k finishes have made on average good decisions, or decisions better than the masses.

            The season they fall substantially below that or rise above it is because the have had a bit of bad luck or good luck on the way ... imho

            1. The Seagulls and the Trawle…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              This.

            2. Homer21
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              This

          2. Olson
            • 6 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            they do over several seasons though, don't they. the best football managers have a glittering career, and the same should be expected of any manager who expects people to believe they're not simply 'lucky'

            1. Deulofail
              • 5 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Of course, if you take someone who has a consistent record in the top 50k, you will have someone with a consistent record in the top 50k. It's conceivable, though, that there are other players who are as good that them that don't have the same consistent record int he top 50k. There are millions of people who have played FPL over the years. Of course you will find anomalies, even over the course of 5 or 10 seasons.. It's natural for us to paint a story of unique skill, but perhaps that glittering career will come to an end this season and they won't be in the top 50k for the next 5-10 years, and then we'll stop calling it a glittering career. It's post-hoc labelling, is what I'm saying. Not saying that good players are not good.

              1. Homer21
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 4 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Anomalies tend to be the exception rather than the rule though

                1. Deulofail
                  • 5 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Exactly

                2. MSN
                  • 6 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Considering the number of FPL players and those who are around top 10k every year, they are going to be exception or anomalies.

                3. Lindelol
                  • 2 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  THIS

              2. MSN
                • 6 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                This.

              3. Olson
                • 6 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                yeah of course there's anomalies. with 7m players it's inevitable and taken to the extreme you can win the lotto or get struck by lightning twice. you can consider yourself pretty unlucky though over a period of say 5 years to be an anomoly. consistently suffering injuries, unexpected rotation, choosing the wrong 50/50 etc etc

                1. Deulofail
                  • 5 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Yep, or lucky to be the anomaly whose 'career' is considered 'glittering'.

        4. liiusions
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          This season is going to be the season that requires the most luck, unfortunately

          1. Olson
            • 6 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            while it's true that greater unpredictability means more luck is involved, the people in my league who have mitigated against that are doing rather well. it's not really luck in their case, as they were explicit that they felt money spread through the whole squad could be the right strategy this year rather than trying to make the most efficient X1 and moreorless disregarding the other 4 spots

          2. Hotdogs for Tea
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            to a certain degree yes, but in such tricky circumstances the decisions we make can help the luck we get.

            Doubling up on City defenders when there is already Covid in the club (and having a bench of fodder) and then having a have game cancelled .... is that bad luck or bad judgement ?

            Captaining and vice captaining players from the same team and their game gets cancelled, is that bad luck ? ... oops I did that with Kane & Son so won’t make that mistake again

        5. tisza
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Jesus 94th minute goal last game of season 2018 put me back into top 100 🙂

          1. Hotdogs for Tea
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            congrats ... do you have a good overall rank history ?

          2. tisza
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            normally target top 1%. 4 top 10ks. only real blip was last season when i missed a load of GWs after restart.

        6. Canadian Football
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Honestly, IMO there is very little luck in this game. Sure, in any given week one can get lucky. But over the long run making solid and informed decisions make all the difference.

          Haven’t paid close attention over my last 4 seasons and have been more of a “casual”. My avg rank is about 300k.

          While for my first 5 seasons, when I was a “hardcore contributor” to the game and this site I had 4 top 10k finishes including 2 top 1000.

          1. MSN
            • 6 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Um, personally I'd say it's more luck than anything else.

            1. Canadian Football
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              No way. Respectfully disagree.

            2. Olson
              • 6 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              it can be proven fairly easily that managerial decisions play a greater role in outcome than luck. randomise a squad each week for a season and play against it

              1. Deulofail
                • 5 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Quite an unfair test, that.

                1. Olson
                  • 6 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  why. the argument is that luck is the single greatest contributer to outcome. what's unfair about that test - randomising a squad is just a dependent variable

                  1. MSN
                    • 6 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Considering the AI which currently does the randomizing is poor makes the effort worthless. Feel free to disagree but luck is worth more than skill in FPL.

                    1. Olson
                      • 6 Years
                      2 months, 2 days ago

                      then pick names out of a hat. do this once a week for 38 weeks and see which team is consistently full of terrible players, non-starters and injured players and which team consistently wins most weeks. managerial decisions are the single biggest factor. sure, as you get closer and closer to anything that resembles an optimum team the balance between skill/luck probably becomes finer and finer but these have tiny, tiny impact relatively speaking. it could win or lose you the world title, but luck is unlikely to be the difference bwteen a good and a bad rank, year on year

                      1. Klaren
                        • 3 Years
                        2 months, 2 days ago

                        If you can’t see that owning or not owning players in a postponed fixture is pure luck, you are deluded.

                        1. Olson
                          • 6 Years
                          2 months, 2 days ago

                          please try to join in the actual debate and not just turn up to be offensive. the question: is luck the single greatest factor in FPL. not whether it's lucky whether your players got binned this week or not

                          really no need to be rude like that

                  2. Deulofail
                    • 5 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Well I suppose I could list about 10 issues, but I'll give #1: randomising from all players would include that players don't play, are injured, etc. You'd surely want to set a threshold for a reasonable decision so you can test a good decision vs a less good one, rather than simply human decisions vs something that's not actually playing the game. When we talk about 'luck' in FPL, we are talking about whether good player A or good player B scores more points, and combinations of players, and whether transfers and hits pay off. We're not talking about whether owning players who play is a good decision or luck, which seems closer to what you're testing.

                    1. Olson
                      • 6 Years
                      2 months, 2 days ago

                      why disregard players that don't play. this is just a test of whether luck is the dominant factor to, well, we haven't agreed what... let's just say average rank over several seasons. all those foundational things like having players who play, not picking SHU defenders etc are managerial decisions. it might seem incredibly obvious to you, but those decisions are managerial input, not chance. there's some chance in the outcome.

                      1. Deulofail
                        • 5 Years
                        2 months, 2 days ago

                        Nobody is aguing against what you are saying. The luck' factor people talk about is what makes the difference between two managers. Is the difference down to luck or skill. Your question/method doesn't address this.

                        1. Deulofail
                          • 5 Years
                          2 months, 2 days ago

                          Or rather the difference between teams, sets of players, or more significantly, decisions. No point testing the difference between someone who knows the rules and somebody who doesn't, and doesn't even need to abide by the rules.

                        2. Olson
                          • 6 Years
                          2 months, 2 days ago

                          as i said, when you start to arrive at what looks like an optimum squad the balance between luck and skill gets finer and finer and harder to justify in each case. orignal post said this game is more luck than anything else. that's clearly not the case

                          1. Deulofail
                            • 5 Years
                            2 months, 2 days ago

                            "The game". Your test has a human manager playing FPL against an AI who's playing a different game. Obviously MSN isn't arguing that he couldn't beat a random team every week, even if he says the game is more luck than anything else. You're turning the thread into a language game and arguing against a straw man.

                            Almost 100% of people signed up to FPL already take the game more seriously than your AI by starting with a team that might actually have a chance to score points and beat their rivals. The question is to what extent your position in your ML or overall standings at the end of the season down to your managerial skill (vs the skill of others), and then also between GWs and over the course of multiple seasons. 'Luck' in and of itself doesn't even exist. It cannot be a contributing factor. But if I played this season with 1000 teams (ideally in 1000 parrallel universes), given very minimal tweak in the info I use to make decisions, OR with different starting teams, the outcomes (and OR at the end of the season) would be dramatically varied, even though I'm as equally as skilled as I am (however skilled that is). One little decision can cause a chain reaction, and multiple good decisions can be beaten by multiple bad decisions. The question of how much our own skill contributes to our rank (overall or vs rivals or vs ourselves in alternate realities) is tricky to answer, but the way to test it is not to pit a human against a bad FPL score.

                          2. MSN
                            • 6 Years
                            2 months, 2 days ago

                            This is the point. More eloquent than me for sure.

                    2. MSN
                      • 6 Years
                      2 months, 2 days ago

                      This. Like at the start of current season you'd rate kdb and son the same, if not kdb higher because of better team but those who started with son did better not due to skill. Having a skill to foresee which good player scores better points which gameweeks is just not true. It's luck.

                      1. Olson
                        • 6 Years
                        2 months, 2 days ago

                        that's a big claim to make. KdB was priced at 11.5m this year. He would have needed moreorless to match his best ever season to simply be acceptable. While it's hard to predict the actual pointscoring in initial gameweeks, it's a fairly sound decision to go with Son as KdB has it all to do to justify his price tag. Son at 9.5m, less so.

                        1. Deulofail
                          • 5 Years
                          2 months, 2 days ago

                          That's a big claim. Of course, price is a factor, but ultimately, Son has got 119 points so far, weile KDB has 68. If the points were reversed you wouldn't say the same thing. And it's pretty irrelevant to the point that MSN is trying to make which is essentially that we don't know the future. You comment comes from the perspective of someone who does know the future (now that it's happened).

                          1. Olson
                            • 6 Years
                            2 months, 2 days ago

                            I started with Son becuase I felt KdB represented very shakey value. So it's not really from the perspective you claim

                        2. MSN
                          • 6 Years
                          2 months, 2 days ago

                          Yes but there's no way you would know before which one would do better would you? This happens a lot in small pockets with players and teams especially in the first 10-15 gws and there is no way and level of skill would let you know beforehand. We judge based on hindsight so what we see as skill is mostly disguised luck. Even those with correct decisions in these cases would say it's not skill and those are not the majority anyway

              2. Canadian Football
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Some might say that some seasons are easier than others, ie give the armband to the likes of RVP, Suarez or Ronaldo every week. But you still must stay disciplined to not waiver from the strategy.

      9. Pepeye
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        2 months, 2 days ago

        City test results due out 11.00am to Noon tomorrow. Local rumour is that 5 of the 11 to play Everton tested positive

        1. Sir Alex Telles.
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          What will the implications be on future gameweeks?

        2. Hotdogs for Tea
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          will be interesting to find out about this ... looks like the new mutant ninja strain of Covid does spread easier

          1. Ron_Swanson
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Kyle Walker probably to blame

            1. Amsterhammer
              • 5 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Man loves a prostitute.

      10. casual69
        • 5 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Advice needed please, looking at my options for GW19...

        Can anyone shed any light on Ben Johnson? Is he Likely to play any more? At 3.9m he's exceptional value lol
        Secondly with matip injured, is Rhys Williams a good cheap way into L'pool with the double game week approaching?

        1. Egg noodle
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Ben Johnson is anyone's guess. I'd avoid when Coufal is only 0.8 more.

        2. Steve The Spud
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 1 Year
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Looking at this as well because I have 0.2 itb and need to shift lamptey and leave funds to get my 4.0 keeper to Johnstone

          So basically need a sub 4.3 playing defender for the dgw

          The West Ham fans I’m talking to think he’s got a spot there

          1. Mr. Funny Name
            • 5 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            O Shea??

        3. Hazz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          He's played 1 game so we have no idea until/unless he starts 2/3/4 games in a row.

          1. Steve The Spud
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 1 Year
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Well, let’s assume they stay with the 2 full backs and 3 CB, who else will play there ?

            Genuine question

            1. Hazz
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Your question is inherently biased as there's no guarantee they stick with the back 5.

              Moyes has a tendency to go a bit make-shift with players so another person could slot in.

              Looking at forums Johnson could, in the short term, stick - play as the lone LB (in place of a resting Cresswell) or miss out altogether.

              Basically his spot is not secured in the slightest.

              1. Steve The Spud
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 1 Year
                2 months, 2 days ago

                I don’t think it’s biased if you start with ‘let’s assume that’ . I was just trying to find out if being replaced with another player was one of the factors in play or if it was just a tactical change that would see him dropped, mr grumpy

                1. Hazz
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 3 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  I just mean you should assume they're sticking to a back five.

                  1. Hazz
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 3 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    shouldn't*

        4. Pumpy Pro
          • 11 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          At 3.9 he isn't a huge risk . If it all goes bad just accept it and take out for a hit .

          Moyes mentioned looking for a Masuaku replacement and that's why he tried Johnson

          Lot of fans don't think Cresswell is a good enough defender too so it a fair risk

          Pointless doing same as everyone on here. Be as different as you can. It may work, it may not but you are no sheep 😉

          1. casual69
            • 5 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            then you have the matip issue...

      11. Luton_Fan
        • 11 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        When will we know if the liverpool game goes ahead?

        1. liiusions
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          No news is normally good news

      12. liiusions
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        I very reluctantly did KDB + DCL -> Kane + Son for -8 before the deadline. Not a move I would normally make but somehow it is almost certainly going to pay off. Unless Brewster goes nuts of course 😆

        1. Hazz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 3 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Hope Kane & Son don't blank vs. that resolute Fulham defense...

          1. liiusions
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Think they win 2-0 which is enough for them both to haul

            1. Hazz
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Based on?

              1. KAPTAIN KANE
                • 4 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Kane and Son goal ratio involvement I guess

                1. Hazz
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 3 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  The scoreline.

                  1. KAPTAIN KANE
                    • 4 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Ah ok

              2. liiusions
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 5 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Just a prediction. Don’t see them battering Fulham but when Spurs score, it’s normally one of both of them two involved.

                1. El Presidente
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 1 Year
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Last time they scored was Ndombele G BDavies A

      13. Niho992
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Neco Williams is also certain to get a start in one of the upcoming games, while James Milner could fill in at LB to give Andy Robertson a break. [Liverpool Echo

        1. Zim0
          • 2 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Goodgood

        2. CROYDON DE BRUYNE
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Not this GW please for a Robbo rest, squad is bare to the bone as it is

        3. Karan14
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Highly doubt it having already dropped points against WBA. Also they have the best schedule.

      14. Overated Mou
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        Just got CANCELo in this week
        And guess what??
        The game got CANCELd
        Hmm...

        1. aleksaa2
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          And he has Covid...

        2. Fulchester's New Centr…
          • 3 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Illuminati

      15. Team Bobcat
        • 4 Years
        2 months, 2 days ago

        There are only two games before international break. Top players will not be rested in that scenario unless of course they pick up a knock or the like which no one will notice anyway but themselves. I wouldn't overthink it

        1. KAPTAIN KANE
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Could be dropped for IBI (International Break Injuries) to deliberately miss internationals

        2. NateDogsCats
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Ah I had just forgotten about the delights of international games and their effect on FPL

          • jtreble
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Like Vardy?

        3. KAPTAIN KANE
          • 4 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Afternoon all, any rumours/team leaks?

          1. Sun Jihai
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            I'm seeing some Bamford benched rumours

            1. KAPTAIN KANE
              • 4 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Looks like I’m going to need my bench of Soucek, Targett (2) and Mitchell (2) this week then!

          2. Olson
            • 6 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            no rumours but discussion amongst WHU fans that rice and soucek need rests and now is a likely time for one or other

            1. KAPTAIN KANE
              • 4 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              That would be typical, as I’m guaranteed Soucek off the bench for DCL

            2. FPL_Motty
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Nah, Moyes is old school. Rice and Soucek are old school, they can deal with it

          3. Fulchester's New Centr…
            • 3 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Kim and Kanye's marriage supposedly in trouble

        4. greggles
          • 10 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          GIven all the uncertainty around fixtures it is quite difficult to plan, but if you were considering free hit in 19 who would you deem vital?

          I have Salah, Fernandes, Bamford, Robertson, Leeds/West Ham GK/DEF, plus Vardy, Barnes, Soucek...

          1. KAPTAIN KANE
            • 4 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            I know, for this reason I think I’m going TC in GW19, can imagine there will be an even bigger DGW down the line.

            Also allows me to build up team value and have a stronger bench

          2. Blzbobuk
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 2 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Free hit means you don’t need to plan and you can laugh like a villain at the chaos(as long as it’s pre deadline).

        5. Magic Zico
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Is it worth to bench boost this line up?

          Martinez Grealish DCL Taylor

          1. Fulchester's New Centr…
            • 3 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            I would

          2. Iceball
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            I guess there will not be a better chance, unless you are not using FH18 as some might plan (FPL Wire-style)

        6. Halftime
          • 9 Years
          2 months, 2 days ago

          Took a punt and swopped KDB for Auba. Arsenal have good fixtures and were good against Chelsea. Has anyone any opinion on if he will start tonight?

          1. Qaiss
            • 5 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            Yeah Auba will start over Martinelli probably

            1. Qaiss
              • 5 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Or possibly Laca

          2. liiusions
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            I was very tempted to put in Martinelli this week but Auba returning would surely take his position. So I reckon, yes he does

          3. NateDogsCats
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Is he definitely fit?

            • CROYDON DE BRUYNE
              • 4 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Might start ahead of Laca up top, can’t see any of the youngsters who impressed vs Chelsea being taken out the side

            • St Pauli Walnuts
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 2 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              A punt too far.

          4. Karan14
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            2 months, 2 days ago

            BREAKING: Premier League confirms 18 positive tests in latest round of COVID-19 testing for players and staff, more than twice as many as in previous round.

            1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Null and void in 3...2...

            2. Zim0
              • 2 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              I think most are City players and staff members

              1. KAPTAIN KANE
                • 4 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                13 other positive tests in addition to Man City...oh dear

                1. Zim0
                  • 2 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Ohdamn

                2. CROYDON DE BRUYNE
                  • 4 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Gabriel from Arsenal is one of them

                3. MSN
                  • 6 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Well they could be city staff.

                  1. NateDogsCats
                      2 months, 2 days ago

                      Says in the article those 13 are unrelated to City

              2. Original - Wolves Ay We
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 5 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Mostly from Man City and support staff I would guess.

                1. Karan14
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 4 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Nope 5 are from Man City and the remaining 13 other clubs. This also does not include the City positives from yesterday apparently.

                  1. Zim0
                    • 2 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    That is bad

                  2. Original - Wolves Ay We
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 5 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    That's what I'm indicating if 5 are from Man city then 13 have to shared between 19 clubs.

              3. MSN
                • 6 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Any other teams/places except City?

                1. CROYDON DE BRUYNE
                  • 4 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Gabriel from Arsenal

                  1. MSN
                    • 6 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    Wow.

              4. JonBoy
                • 7 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Not as many as it sounds. Nearly 1500 tests.

                1. Karan14
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 4 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  This does not include City's positives from yesterday apparently.

                  1. MSN
                    • 6 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    This definitely means more teams will postpone then doesn't it? City set up a template for postponement anyway.

                    1. KAPTAIN KANE
                      • 4 Years
                      2 months, 2 days ago

                      Depends on the mix, 1-3 per club might be ok

                    2. Original - Wolves Ay We
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 5 Years
                      2 months, 2 days ago

                      Of course not, even if it's 18 players out of 19 clubs that's not enough to suggest any postponements.

                  2. JonBoy
                    • 7 Years
                    2 months, 2 days ago

                    I read that. Seemed a weird sentence. 13+5 does not make up the 18. And if you read above it does seem to include them but from a previous day?
                    Badly phrased. Need better editors!

                    1. KAPTAIN KANE
                      • 4 Years
                      2 months, 2 days ago

                      13+5 does not equal 18?

            3. Halftime
              • 9 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Hopefully, at least I didn't swop him for Sterling. That was another option.

            4. Trippier Hazard
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Which player's return to the fold do you think will have the biggest impact on their team's performance?

              1. Flair
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Ziyech

                1. JonBoy
                  • 7 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Agreed. Barkley might have an impact if Grealish moves left again.

                2. Homer21
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 4 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  Yep

              2. Pep bites Kun
                • 4 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Aguero

                1. Lamplighters
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 7 Years
                  2 months, 2 days ago

                  This......Kun could be a real differential if he gets regular starts. KDB will likely thrive as well.

            5. Sondre van Bank
              • 7 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Hey. Anyone know when we will know where they put the postponed City game?

            6. Sondre van Bank
              • 7 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Agreement with @diegocosta for the termination of his contract.
              The club wishes the striker the best of luck in the next stage of his professional career.

              What happened here?

              1. El Presidente
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 1 Year
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Lots of injuries and not enough playing time for such high salary. His contract ended in 6 months anyway

              2. The Count of Monte Cristo
                • 8 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Family reasons have been cited. Also, despite playing a bit this year, lots of injuries. Had an operation end of 2018 on a long-term issue and not quite been the same physically to be counted on regularly.

                If any CL-rival or La Liga rival (Barça, Real, Sevilla) sign him as a free-agent then apparently 15m Euros owed to Atleti as part of the financial negotiations of terminating his contract.

            7. KAPTAIN KANE
              • 4 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              Surely these international break games will be called off in the midst of increasing positive domestic cases?

              1. Steve The Spud
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 1 Year
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Hope so, I hate international football

            8. Gobigorgohome
              • 9 Years
              2 months, 2 days ago

              OMG 13 positives cases and those are not from city

              I can see more postponement soon

              1. Cruyff's Eleven
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 2 Years
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Pot luck. Nothing I can do about it, so I'm not going to worry or moan....

            9. Finding Timo
                2 months, 2 days ago

                Hi any help please grealish to a) Barnes b) zaha c) Neto d) another ? Or e) keep? Cheers