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‘Enjoy the ride, adapt and stop planning’ – FPL’s reigning India winner says to focus on the short-term

The Double Gameweeks are here.

But it hasn’t been a smooth ride. Fantasy Premier League (FPL) managers have had so many unexpected detours (a lot of off-roading) on the way, but battered, bruised and with a lot of dents, we’re finally here.

Just know that you are not the only ones facing these twists and turns. It won’t be the last time unexpected rescheduling happens either.

FPL managers all over the globe have been meandering their way through these unexpected times and you’ve just got to enjoy the ride and adapt. It’s the only option you have really.

So what do I intend to do differently? First off, stop planning. Be more short-sighted. Normally, when making moves, I look at the next five to six Gameweeks.

Instead, I am going to play for the points available and have a more short-term approach when planning my moves.

This means I’ll likely look at the next three Gameweeks when making my moves and no more than that.

Why? We could literally have unexpected cancellations and changes (Double Gameweeks) at any time. So planning mid-term doesn’t have much value in my opinion.

Secondly, and I have said this multiple times this season, I’m all for wanting to chase price rises, but honestly, I can’t say it enough, this is the season to delay your transfers as far as possible.

The fantasy landscape is changing daily and new bits of information are appearing on a daily basis, which might drastically affect your transfer strategy.

You might think that your transfers might not be affordable the next day, but when you look closer, there is always another way.

Has the recent Double Gameweek news for Aston Villa and Newcastle and the lack of a double for Leeds United and Southampton changed my plans?

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I currently own only Patrick Bamford (£6.6m) from the two teams and before Blank Gameweek 18, I sold Jack Grealish (£7.7m) and Che Adams (£6.0m).

I had heard murmurs of the Leeds vs Southampton game being called off and I just don’t trust the fitness of Villa’s players and the lure of two premium Manchester big hitters was too much for me.

It was a gamble and it won’t be the last time I’ll need to roll the dice this season.

It just seems like a season of difficult decisions given the sheer number of consistent big hitters but it is what it is.

Just a small note on Aston Villa, the nature of the COVID-19 outbreak is unknown at the time of writing and we don’t necessarily know how the squad has been affected.

It is a very thin squad that is very reliant on 10 to 14 players and if the majority of the first team squad is affected, I don’t know how much I’d trust them.

Keeping this in mind, their players come into the don’t buy/ don’t sell category for me until we know more about them.

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Speaking of difficult decisions, one big decision that FPL managers will likely be making this season is whether to sell Son Heung-min (£9.8m) or Harry Kane (£11.1m) for a premium Double Gameweek asset in Gameweek 19.

The one thing I’ll say is if you’re doing it to get in a premium big hitter like Mohamed Salah (£12.5m) or Kevin De Bruyne (£11.8m) who are genuine captaincy options, then it makes sense to me.

If not, it becomes a very difficult decision (one that might not necessarily be the right one) given their fixture in Gameweek 19.

Then it comes down to gut and the kind of FPL manager you are.

If I was to hold one of Son or Kane, at the moment I’d lean towards holding Son primarily because of the price difference.

I see a lot of people selling their Arsenal and Leeds United assets for Double Gameweek players.

It is important to not have the blinkers on for the doubles because both of these teams in addition to Spurs have very good games in Gameweek 19 and it might not be the smartest thing to sell them just to buy additional minutes in the Double Gameweek.

You need to look at the next couple of Gameweeks while making these decisions and then make the call.

A few things I have noticed in the last few weeks is that players like Son, Bruno Fernandes (£11.3m) and KDB have looked very tired in the last 30 minutes of games and I feel like in comparison, Liverpool and Chelsea both having some time off will play into their hands.

I’m personally expecting an upturn in performances for both of these teams in the coming weeks.

Having some time on the training ground with the full team without playing games can be underestimated and I think that will show.

It is worth noting Chelsea have all their players fit now including their full-backs and it’s easy to forget that when they, along with Hakim Ziyech (£8.1m) were fit, Chelsea were creating chances for fun.

They have a decent looking Double Gameweek (both Leicester and Fulham are in the worst five teams for big chances conceded at home this season) and I quite like their fixtures in the mid-term as well.

There are some good picks in that team both in attack and in defence should you fancy it.

Some of you are wondering about whether you should Bench Boost or not.

In my opinion if you have players from the likes of Leeds who have a good Gameweek 19 fixture, I’d still use the chip and play the Bench Boost.

The case for you to Bench Boost is even stronger, especially if you have used your Free Hit chip in Gameweek 18.

I say that is the case because if you wildcard in Gameweek 25 for the Double Gameweek in 26, your bench spots will need to be likely focused on Blank Gameweek 29 and that is something to consider while you’re making your decision.

Otherwise, one of the prime advantages of having used the Bench Boost chip is so that it’s out of the way and you can focus funds on your starting 11 (plus two bench spots) rather than spreading them over 15 players.

It is very difficult to give an answer with regards to this conundrum because it is very team dependant but generally when it comes to using your chips, there will be many more mini Double Gameweeks in play the way the season is going, so there are going to be more opportunities than you think for chip deployment.

I intentionally decide to just talk a little bit of macro-philosophy with this article ahead of the Double Gameweek but all of you are aware of the numbers and the good picks so I thought it might be worthwhile to outline a few things that might not have caught your attention.

I’ve been making steady progress with my season after a terrible start.

Despite having games called off for my Manchester City and Spurs assets and despite not deploying my Free Hit chip in Gameweek 18, I’ve climbed from a 3.1 million Overall Rank (OR) in Gameweek 12 to a 1.54 million OR at present.

I was very happy to get a 300,000 sized green arrow in Gameweek 18 despite taking a hit, owning nine players and not deploying the Free Hit chip which tells you that quality matters over quantity.

If the odds are stacked against you in a particular Gameweek in terms of numbers of players, it still isn’t the end of the world because if you have the right players, you could still climb up the table.

Also, it is worth mentioning that Zophar & I had the pleasure of interviewing the creator of LiveFPL.net recently and it was a pleasure getting to chat with Ragabolly.

He’s a PHD in quantum physics and still claims to not be a genius.

He’s a very humble guy and it’s an interview worth watching if you haven’t already. You can see it here.

We also did our standard podcast of The FPL Wire where we talk about Double Gameweek 19 in depth which you will find below. Thanks for reading and good luck this Gameweek!

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5,989 Comments Post a Comment
  1. grooveymatt65
    • 7 Years
    3 months, 1 day ago

    Hi guys just need abit of help.....

    im doing a wildcard on fanteam but when i change my players and click update team it doesnt mention about a wildcard on the screen after, it just lists the transfers that are happening and theres a confirm button.

    Do i need to hit confirm first or something for the wildcard to appear?

    thanks

  2. Jdpz
    • 1 Year
    3 months, 1 day ago

    Wood to Antonio for a hit?

    1. popcoin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 months, 1 day ago

      go for it - high ceiling!

    2. MarkoSD
      • 4 Years
      3 months, 1 day ago

      no

    3. londontom
      • 4 Years
      3 months, 1 day ago

      Yea

    4. All de Gea
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 months, 1 day ago

      Wouldn't be enthusiastic about it.

      Then again wouldn't be enthusiastic about owning Wood

  3. popcoin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    3 months, 1 day ago

    Evening folks. Quick sanity check:

    Raphinha --> Salah
    Kane --> Davis
    (-4)

    Current team:
    Martinez (4.0)
    Dias Stones Coufal Saiss (Dunne)
    KdB Bruno Son Soucek (Raphinha)
    Vardy Kane (Brewster)

    1. MarkoSD
      • 4 Years
      3 months, 1 day ago

      yep

    2. All de Gea
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 months, 1 day ago

      Nah, stick. You prob wont capt. Salah anyway and you dont want to get stuck with Davis and Brewster

    3. Bonus magnet
      • 4 Years
      3 months, 1 day ago

      No Liverpool

      Any reason ?

  4. Garfield1001
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    3 months, 1 day ago

    Lose Salah for KDB?

    1. popcoin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 months, 1 day ago

      no!

    2. Il Capitano
        3 months, 1 day ago

        No

      • MarkoSD
        • 4 Years
        3 months, 1 day ago

        no

      • NIKO.
        • 3 Years
        3 months, 1 day ago

        Put the bottle of vodka down 🙂

    3. MarkoSD
      • 4 Years
      3 months, 1 day ago

      a. Son and Antonio
      Or
      b. Mane and Brewster for -4
      (Brewster would be on the bench, Justin or Target would play)
      Gw19(have no salah)

      1. popcoin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        3 months, 1 day ago

        a!

      2. Boly Would
        • 4 Years
        3 months, 1 day ago

        A

      3. Zolaaaaaaaaa!!!
          3 months, 1 day ago

          A

      4. WE GO FOR IT
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        3 months, 1 day ago

        Will be taking a hit to get KdB in for Son/Kane.

        Would you take another hit to remove McCarthy to Fabianski/Martinez?

        1. popcoin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          3 months, 1 day ago

          no!

        2. MarkoSD
          • 4 Years
          3 months, 1 day ago

          no

        3. Zolaaaaaaaaa!!!
            3 months, 1 day ago

            Nope. McCarthy will play

          • WE GO FOR IT
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            3 months, 1 day ago

            Cheers all! Looks like it's a consensus!

        4. gmando2011
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          3 months, 1 day ago

          A or B guys please?

          A) Ederson & Cresswell

          B) Fabianski & Stones - this enables me to do Lookman to Foden next week

          1. MarkoSD
            • 4 Years
            3 months, 1 day ago

            a

          2. popcoin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            3 months, 1 day ago

            A!

          3. Zolaaaaaaaaa!!!
              3 months, 1 day ago

              Why not Coufal over Cresswell and re invest cash

              1. gmando2011
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                3 months, 1 day ago

                cheers guys

          4. fridge
            • 9 Years
            3 months, 1 day ago

            Evening all! Which of the below looks best to you with 0.1 and 1 FT

            McCarthy
            TAA. Coufal. Lowton (Dallas) (Balbuena)
            Salah. Fernandes. Soucek. Son. Raphinha
            Kane. Bamford (Wood)

            A) Kane > Vardy
            B) Kane, Balbuena > Vardy & Stones (-4)
            C) Kane, Wood, Balbuena > Vardy, Antonio, Stones (-8)
            D) TAA, Son > Stones & KDB (-4)

            1. jonnybhoy
              • 8 Years
              3 months, 1 day ago

              B

            2. Boly Would
              • 4 Years
              3 months, 1 day ago

              B

            3. Shatner's Bassoon
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              3 months, 1 day ago

              B looks tasty.
              Balbuena > Stones worth a hit imo given upcoming fixtures.
              Wood > Antonio more of a gamble.

          5. damiang2233
            • 11 Years
            3 months, 1 day ago

            Currently have 7 DGW players. Is that enough or add another one?

            1. jonnybhoy
              • 8 Years
              3 months, 1 day ago

              Thats enough with right captain

              1. damiang2233
                • 11 Years
                3 months, 1 day ago

                Not sure who to captain tho as dont have de bruyne or salah. Have bruno

                1. damiang2233
                  • 11 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  thinking of getting foden so maybe him or cancelo?

                  1. jonnybhoy
                    • 8 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Na go bruno

                2. Dannyb
                  • 4 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Bruno then, still a great shout this game week.

            2. Rupert The Horse
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 8 Years
              3 months, 1 day ago

              Team?

              1. damiang2233
                • 11 Years
                3 months, 1 day ago

                Mendy,
                Creswell, Dier, Saiss, Creswell,
                Bruno, Barnes, Son Grealish,
                Kane Wilson

          6. Rupert The Horse
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            3 months, 1 day ago

            Dear lord I’m confused.

            1. Old Bull
              • 7 Years
              3 months, 1 day ago

              Me too

          7. Rinseboy
            • 9 Years
            3 months, 1 day ago

            -12 dropped and I don't even feel guilty about it!

            Good luck all

            1. g40steve
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              3 months, 1 day ago

              Wow

          8. Old Gregg
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            3 months, 1 day ago

            What move do you recommend please?

            a) Wilson > Antonio
            b) son + Wilson > Soucek + Vardy(-4)
            C) son + adams + Wilson > Soucek + Antonio + Vardy (-8)

            1. FPL Forward Thinker
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 2 Years
              3 months, 1 day ago

              Adams to Antonio only ? Enough Cash?

              1. waldo666
                • 10 Years
                3 months, 1 day ago

                This.

              2. Old Gregg
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 4 Years
                3 months, 1 day ago

                Unfortunately not 0.1 short

            2. Deeney-is-a-god
              • 4 Years
              3 months, 1 day ago

              Why do you want wilson out?

              1. Old Gregg
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 4 Years
                3 months, 1 day ago

                Newcastle are awful

                1. Deeney-is-a-god
                  • 4 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  They got a double and wilson is not awful... this might come back to bite you

                  1. Old Gregg
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 4 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Maybe. Thanks for the feed back.

                  2. Old Gregg
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 4 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Would you play konza or Wilson then? thanks

            3. Zolaaaaaaaaa!!!
                3 months, 1 day ago

                A

              • Shatner's Bassoon
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 10 Years
                3 months, 1 day ago

                Keep Wilson

            4. Punty McPuntface
              • 4 Years
              3 months, 1 day ago

              Seems I've been toying with this all night so help would be appreciated, Zaha to?

              A El Ghazi
              B who else under 7.4m?

              1. Epic ⚽ 墅
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 10 Years
                3 months, 1 day ago

                Soucek

                Definitely not a Villan.

                1. Punty McPuntface
                  • 4 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Thanks!!

              2. FPL Forward Thinker
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 2 Years
                3 months, 1 day ago

                Zaha to Foden or B Silva or Soucek or El Ghazi or Barnes (in that order)

                1. Punty McPuntface
                  • 4 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Thanks...I've got 3 City so Soucek it is

            5. winchester
                3 months, 1 day ago

                Evening lads, got 1,6m itb and 1ft
                Any sensible moves here lads, cheers

                martinez
                robbo coufal dallas
                salah(c) soucek bruno son
                bamford kane adams
                (martin kwp taylor bissouma)

                A) taylor+kane -> cacelo/dias+vardy -4
                B) robbo+son -> cancelo/dias+kdb -4
                C) taylor -> cancelo/dias
                D) robbo+son+adams -> cancelo/dias+kdb+watkins -8
                E) robbo+taylor+son -> dias+stones+kdb -8

                1. jonnybhoy
                  • 8 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  C

                  1. jonnybhoy
                    • 8 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Nvm A

                    1. winchester
                        3 months, 1 day ago

                        cheers lad

                2. gomez123
                  • 7 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Salah or Vardy El Capitano??

                  1. jonnybhoy
                    • 8 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    I like the bold choice in vardy tbh

                3. jonnybhoy
                  • 8 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Going without triple captain and bench boost. Hoping it pays off long term

                  1. waldo666
                    • 10 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    I think that's where I'll end up too.

                  2. Boly Would
                    • 4 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Same here. Was very close to BB

                  3. Dannyb
                    • 4 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Same, will be better opportunities later on I feel.

                    1. jonnybhoy
                      • 8 Years
                      3 months, 1 day ago

                      100% too many games getting cancelled so will be more doubles and dont think any teams looked great post xmas

                4. g40steve
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 3 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  With 3 Villa worth Watkins to Antonio?

                  1. Alcapaul
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Yea

                  2. FPL Forward Thinker
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 2 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Gamble may pay off. Then again.

                    Note: Antonio plays Sat / Tue thus before Watkins kicks a ball (he plays Wed then next Sat). Not saying that makes much of a difference as its all about points.
                    I can just see 180 mins outta Watkins over next 8 days, not so sure i'd see 180 mins from Antonio in next 4 days.

                    If I owned neither and could choose one, I'd choose Antonio, but i wont be selling one (Watkins) for the other unless nothing else to do and had a transfer to burn.

                    I just wish i had extra money for Brewster to Antonio (-4) then i'd BB

                    1. FPL Forward Thinker
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 2 Years
                      3 months, 1 day ago

                      I'd have to sell Son 9.4 and raise 1.5m (thus 7.9m midfielder and a total -8).
                      The two occasions I sold So (both were for a -4), he rocked up 42 points Away against Red and White teams. Owned Son all other 16 GW's !!

                      Thus im biased against selling Son for funds and taking a -8 even though i could then Bench Boost.

                      1. g40steve
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 3 Years
                        3 months, 1 day ago

                        Cheers got 3 Villa & want to BB, if Grealish Martinez & Watkins don’t play screwed

                5. iL PiStOlErO
                  • 1 Year
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Meslier
                  Cancelo Justin Coufal
                  Salah Bruno Son Soucek
                  Kane DCL* Bamford

                  McCarthy Dallas Lowton Romeu

                  O.2 itb

                  Was all set on BB but now choose one:

                  A) DCL to Antonio
                  B) Son + DCL to KdB(C) + Fabio Silva for -4
                  C) Son + DCL to KdB(C) + Brewster for -4 and play Lowton instead Brewster

                6. Shankly611
                  • 4 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Martinez Areola
                  Robertson Cancelo Stones Coufal Yedlin
                  Salah (C) KDB Fernandes Barnes Raphinha
                  Antonio Bamford Adams

                  Bench Boost ON! Good luck everyone!

                  1. The Count of Monte Cristo
                    • 8 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Nice side - should do well.

                7. tbhogal
                  • 11 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Son to KDB for -4 worth it guys?

                  1. Kay317
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 1 Year
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    I reckon so.

                  2. Mr.K
                    • 7 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    I wouldn't.

                8. Kay317
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 1 Year
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  You think it's worth taking a hit to do Alioski to Shaw? Or any suggestions for another Def under 4.9mil on a double gw?

                  1. jonnybhoy
                    • 8 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Not worth hit imo shaw on 4 yellows i think

                    1. Kay317
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 1 Year
                      3 months, 1 day ago

                      Any other suggestions?

                      1. jonnybhoy
                        • 8 Years
                        3 months, 1 day ago

                        Coufal?

                9. Jdpz
                  • 1 Year
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Play Bamford
                  or Dier to Stones for a hit?

                  Dier has bad fixture.

                  1. Scout15
                    • 3 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Dier has Sheffield. That’s not a bad fixture... But might still do it.

                10. grandemessi
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 6 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Don't see a lot of love for Dawson here. 3 cs and 1 goal in the last 3( all comps). I wasn't planning on BB but with Johnstone, Bamford, Smith-Rowe and Dawson on the bench I am inclined to. Other non-dgw's: Neto, Kane, Son. Rest of the lot, template

                11. Garfield1001
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 7 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Dallas or Lowton the better option this week?

                  1. Kay317
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 1 Year
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Dallas

                  2. waldo666
                    • 10 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    I'm playing Dallas and benching Lowton.

                12. El Lobito 10
                  • 3 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Bamford to Antonio for a hit?

                  1. DavidHopkin
                    • 10 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    I’d keep bamford. Certain to start, good fixture.

                  2. The Count of Monte Cristo
                    • 8 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    No, Leeds have a good fixture against a side who have played recently and looked tired against City

                  3. waldo666
                    • 10 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Not for a hit.

                  4. TFP
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Would be a huge risk. And by "risk" I don't mean 'exciting', more something along the lines of 'highly likely not to pay off' Antonio's fitness is a complete unknown quantity.

                  5. El Lobito 10
                    • 3 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Thank you all, great points made. I will not buy Antonio!

                13. JONALDINHO
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 3 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Sell Mane or Salah to KDB?

                  1. geoffrolph
                    • 9 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Mane

                14. geoffrolph
                  • 9 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  current team:

                  Martínez Cancelo, Coufal, Dias, Wan-Bissaka Fernando's, De Bruyne, Soucek, Son Wilson, Kane

                  Bench: Leno, Bamford, Saka, Dallas
                  In the bank: £1.00 1 ft, wanted to take a hit - 8, maybe even a - 12 if it gets me a good BB team. Tried to fit in Vardy, Salah, Antonio but I can't seem to make it work. Any ideas? Thanks

                15. LLoris
                  • 2 Years
                  3 months, 1 day ago

                  Which on is better??
                  A) Dias Cancelo for Taylor Robbo
                  B) Stones KDB for Robbo Son
                  C) Stones Vardy for Kane Taylo

                  1. jonnybhoy
                    • 8 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    C

                  2. OleBall
                      3 months, 1 day ago

                      C

                  3. Crooky
                    • 2 Years
                    3 months, 1 day ago

                    Seeing some interesting minute choices which feel quite hasty. Is it really wise to Chuck Son in a fixture like this?

                    McCarthy/Foster

                    Current team:

                    Zouma - Justin - Dallas (Taylor)
                    Son - Bruno - Zaha - Salah
                    Kane - Bamford - Adams

                    Thinking for -8
                    A) zaha, Taylor and Adams > Soucek + Stones + martial
                    B) zaha, Taylor and Adams > gun + stones + Antonio

                    Are either of those my best bets?

                  4. OleBall
                      3 months, 1 day ago

                      Antonio or Stones transfer in for a hit?

                      1. Epic ⚽ 墅
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 10 Years
                        3 months, 1 day ago

                        For who?

                        1. OleBall
                            3 months, 1 day ago

                            Bench players

                        2. DavidHopkin
                          • 10 Years
                          3 months, 1 day ago

                          I’m considering both + vardy for a -8