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What should FPL managers do with Ferran Torres, Diogo Jota and Mason Greenwood?

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The decision over Fantasy Premier League (FPL) midfield spots has been a source of fierce debate over the course of the 2021/22 season so far. Do we go for zero, one, two or three of the mid-priced (and ‘out of position’) midfielders from the ‘big six’? If you are selecting at least one of them, then which is the right option?

The arrival of Romelu Lukaku (£11.6m) and Cristiano Ronaldo (£12.7m) to the Premier League has somewhat shifted the goalposts in terms of the other midfield spots and so it is harder to budget for more than two, if any at all.

I’ve assessed all three of Mason Greenwood, Ferran Torres and Diogo Jota in this article below, using numbers and graphics from the Fantasy Football Scout Premium Members Area.

The case for Diogo Jota

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Diogo Jota (£7.7m) is the pick that many Fantasy managers were hoping would unlock their FPL problems, especially when Roberto Firmino (£8.8m) was ruled out through injury. The idea of being able to invest in the potent Liverpool attack for so little was music to our ears but is he the gift we were all hoping for, especially now Firmino has returned to training?

Jota was top of expected goals (xG) underachievers in Gameweek 5 with a delta of -0.94. He was also part of the Liverpool attack who were top for shots in Gameweek 5 with 25, ten of which were on target. Jota has managed two goals so far this season, one behind Sadio Mane (£11.9m) and two behind Mohamed Salah (£12.7m) – both of whom require a lot more cash for their services.

Jota has had 15 attempts on goal so far in the 347 minutes that he has played. This is fifth-best total across FPL midfielders with all those above him, bar Raphinha (£6.5m), costing significantly more. He has also recorded those opportunities when playing for at least 80 minutes less than those above him.

He is also tied third for big chances so far with four and averages an attempt every 23.1 minutes. Liverpool’s fixtures – bar Gameweek 7’s tie against Manchester City – also bode well for Jota, even if he comes off the bench. Last season, he averaged a goal every 29 minutes when coming on as a substitute and indeed was the subbed-on player to score most often in 2020/21.

It should also be noted that the Reds have registered the most goal attempts so far this season with 125, which is encouraging for those doubling up on the Liverpool attack and owning Jota.

The case for Mason Greenwood

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Mason Greenwood (£7.7m) started the season with a bang, returning in each of the opening four Gameweeks. Greenwood has managed ten successful take-ons so far; in the Manchester United team, only Paul Pogba (£7.8m) has more. The 19-year-old has made the same number of goal attempts as Ronaldo with 13 each, although it must be noted that Greenwood has played 427 minutes in comparison to Ronaldo’s 180.

Greenwood has also been involved in set plays for Manchester United this season, taking 10 corners, although only one of them has been successful. On top of this, he has registered three attempts from set pieces, second across the Manchester United team to Harry Maguire (£5.4m).

The mid-priced midfielder conundrum

The arrival of Ronaldo has seen Greenwoods position on the pitch change in the last two weeks. The result of him being out wide is fewer attempts on goal.

Greenwood’s goal attempts in Gameweeks 1-3 (Pre-Ronaldo)

Greenwood’s goal attempts in Gameweeks 4-5 (with Ronaldo)

The case for Ferran Torres

Picking Ferran Torres (£7.1m) means buying a ticket to the Pep rotation lottery and hoping to come home as a winner. So far Torres’ owners have mostly escaped the roulette with Torres starting four of the five opening fixtures. However he did miss out in Gameweek 5, likely as a result of the amount of minutes amassed for Manchester City in the Premier League and Champions League, plus those from international duty with Spain.

Like Jota, Torres has registered two goals in his four matches, meaning he is Manchester City’s leading goal scorer so far and also has an assist to his name. Furthermore, Torres leads his Manchester City team-mates for xG, goal attempts (13, tied with Ilkay Gundogan (£7.3m)) and big chances (three, tied with Raheem Sterling (£10.8m)), also ranking second across the team for penalty area touches with 27.

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Manchester City sit second for goal attempts so far with 100, which sits 25 behind Liverpool and in the next two Gameweeks they play Chelsea and Liverpool. Both have only conceded one goal so far, which could limit Torres’ potential, but owning an out-of-position City midfielder beyond Gameweek 7 could be a great option depending on how Pep Guardiola changes the system to accomodate the returning Kevin De Bruyne (£11.9m) and Phil Foden (£7.9m).

Comparisons

The beta version of the new Premium Members Area is excellent for comparing these three players to assess which makes the most sense for FPL managers to invest in.

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Greenwood is the stand-out option when we look at points scored so far this season. He has registered 33, in comparison to Torres’ 26 and Jota’s 23. Although it should be noted that only seven of those 33 points have been registered with Ronaldo in the Manchester United team.

It is Jota who leads the way for goal attempts with 15 – ahead of the 13 from Greenwood and Torres – with Greenwood converting three of them in comparison to the others’ two goals.

Greenwood also leads the way for BPS (Bonus Points System) baseline with 38, versus the 28 of Jota and 21 of Torres.

Torres has the best goal involvement stats of the three with 37.5%, compared to Greenwood’s 36.4% and Jota’s 28.6%.

Jota has created two big chances, more than the one of Greenwood. Torres is yet to register a single one.

How many is too many?

I currently own both Jota and Greenwood and whilst long-term I’m not sure that I will hold either of them, especially as a result of the form of some of the cheaper midfield options and the premium Chelsea/City picks in defence, we may still be able to eke out some points in Gameweeks 6 and 7 and the double-up seems manageable. I am expecting that Firmino will be eased back into the Liverpool team and therefore Jota gets the start against Brentford in Gameweek 6, at the least.

Investing in just one of them longer term makes more sense and, if he continues to play as an out-of-position forward, then from Gameweek 8 onwards it might actually be that Torres proves to be a better investment – so long as FPL owners have a) a strong playing bench and b) don’t have too many other risky picks in their starting XI.

With a number of £6.5m midfielders bringing good returns for their owners after Gameweek 8, there is justification for going without any of these three, especially if it enables managers to triple up on Salah, Ronaldo and Lukaku or swapping their current £6.0m-£8.0m midfielder for one of the Chelsea options ahead of their nice upcoming run of fixtures. Although that too, of course, carries its own rotation risks…

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405 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Bartowski
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    What should I do with Ferran Torres, Diogo Jota and Mason Greenwood? Thanks.

    1. Stimps
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Triple captain one of them

    2. Zimo
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Lick them

    3. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Find a keeper, enter a 5-a-side league

    4. ClassiX
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Turn them into a human centipede and get 3 for the price of one

      1. Fulchester's New Centr…
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 7 months ago

        Ban

    5. Esalman
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Thinking about shipping Jota out because already have Salah and TAA.

    6. EmreCan Hustle
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Keep this week and reassess.

    7. Philosopher's Stones
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Make them row your boat as you head out to conquer the world

  2. Erez Avni
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Going to WC on GW 7 so looking for one week punt instead of Raphinha…

    A. Sar
    B. Benrahma

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Sarr

    2. Esalman
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      A

    3. mojoindojo
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      B

  3. Lord of Ings
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Chances of Torres starting vs Chelsea?

    1. Threat Level Midnight
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      80%

      1. BigCoupes
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 7 months ago

        Generous

    2. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Play him and report back your findings.

    3. Gunners in Haaland
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      42.7%

  4. Atimis
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Which would you have?

    1) Salah (c), ASM, Bruno
    2) Salah, CR7 (c), Benrahma, -4

    With Bam injury, thinking about going for Ronaldo - option 2), until GW9 - switch to Kaku.
    Thoughts?

    1. Esalman
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      1. I think both options are good so I'll take the one with no hits.

      1. Atimis
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 7 months ago

        Just would have to take a hit anyway this week or next one

    2. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      1

    3. Amartey Partey
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      2

  5. GB2021
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Sanchez
    Veltman AA Shaw Livramento
    Torres Salah Raphinha Greenwood
    Antonio Ronaldo
    Bench: Ayling Toney Brownhill

    1 Free transfer. Hold transfer and bring in two Chelsea players next week or transfer out Torres for Sarr? Wildcarding gameweek 8

    1. Esalman
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Hold

    2. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Hoooooooooooold

  6. Esalman
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Should I do Jota>Sarr or Shaw>Alonso?

    Martinez
    Shaw TAA Coufal White
    Salah Jota Torres Greenwood
    Antonio Lukaku

    1. ClassiX
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      If you have to make a move this week then go for Sarr, IMO

    2. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      This week? Neither. J to S if either

    3. BOATIES FC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      I wouldn't do either personally

    4. mojoindojo
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Neither.

    5. Esalman
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Cheers all, seems best to hold FT and do either/both next week.

  7. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Evening all!!! Bit of advice here!! Genuinely at a loss at my best option with the news about Bamford. Do I hold him and play White, or Bamford to someone(max 8.2) or take a hit and switch to 3-5-2 and bring Benrahma in??? Or something else??
    Team is….
    Foster
    TAA Shaw Livramento
    Salah Greenwood Jota Sarr
    Antonio Ronaldo Bamford
    Subs Bachmann White Williams Mendy

    Cheers everyone!!!

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Play White

    2. Lanley Staurel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Bamford to Armstrong

      1. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 7 months ago

        Meant to put Bamford to Armstrong was one I’m considering!! Mean I can upgrade Williams to Rudiger next week and keep White too

        1. Lanley Staurel
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          2 years, 7 months ago

          I might be being biased as a Saints fan but he is like a mini Ings and I think he will do well for his price as our fixtures turn. Perfect that you can then get a Chelsea defender too.

          1. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            2 years, 7 months ago

            Yeah I agree mate!!! I nearly went for him on WC in gameweek 4 but went DCL, then did DCL to Bamford and now here we are!! Haha we had him on loan at Barnsley a few season ago and he was fantastic!!! I think il
            Probably go for him!! Decent fixtures this week, then bench next week for a Chelsea defender then great fixtures after that!!! Cheers matey!!!

  8. Karan14
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Start one out of these for Bamford?

    A) James (MCI)
    B) Marcal (sou)
    C) Sissoko (NEW)

    1. Fulchester's New Centr…
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Marcal

    2. artvandelay316
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      A

  9. kamdaraji
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Team G2G?

    Raya
    Pereira TAA Livramento
    Salah Benrahma Traore Raphina
    Dennis Ronaldo Lukaku

    Subs: McGovern, Semedo,Duffy,Bissouma

    1. kamdaraji
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      0.7 in bank. Already did Kane to Lukaku with 1 FT.

      1. kamdaraji
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 7 months ago

        Play Traore over Semedo?

  10. jai1212
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    I'm seriously clueless about this lot and would really appreciate some help on this

    Sanchez (Steele)
    TAA Shaw White
    Salah Traore* Mount* Raphinha*
    CR7 Antonio Bamford*

    Subs: Gilmour Webster* Tsimikas*

    1FT and 0.7 in the bank

    1. Iceball
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Bamford and Raphinha out priority, for players at your choice, do you have WC left? Maybe use that next week or gw8. Problem with that now is Chelsea-ManCity but maybe not, it could be 0-0 surely. Im stobbornly saving WC but I can see temptation there.

      1. jai1212
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 7 months ago

        Have the WC but just holding myself believing a -4 helps. Considering Bamford and Webster are definitely out, shouldn't they be priorities?

  11. Miami Monkey
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Feel like I have no idea what to do at the moment

    Sanchez (Foster)
    TAA Marcal White (Livramento *Amartey)
    Salah Jota Greenwood Benrahma (Brownhill)
    CR7 *Bamford Antonio
    *** = Problem players

    0.9 itb, 1 FT. Any ideas? Originally I decided to save the transfer. Now I'm not sure if I should remove Bamford because if he's back next week I may still want him depending on the plan to bring Lukaku in (if it's CR7-->Luk), and I can just play 4 defenders this week.

    1. EmreCan Hustle
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Brownhill flagged and
      Amartey out of favour
      Greenwood and Jota not 100% nailed.
      I would personally remove Bamford.

  12. tangtastic
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    From GW8 onwards, for long term holds, would you prefer:

    a) TAA + double Chelsea
    b) TAA + Chelsea + Man City

    (Money no object, can afford Dias and any two Chelsea defenders)

    I'm actually leaning towards b. Don't doubt Chelsea's ability to keep cleanies, but City aren't bad either, and over long term may even be better for goals conceded. Also spreads the risk.

    1. Strchld
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      B

  13. EmreCan Hustle
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    1FT and 0.9m itb. Which is the best move?

    A. Watford fixtures. Raphinha to Sarr
    B. Target Norwich. Raphinha to Doucoure/Gray
    C. Increase bench cover. Amartey to Livramento/Duffy/Williams

    Foster
    TAA Shaw White
    Salah Raphinha* Benrahma Jota
    Ronaldo Antonio Jimenez
    ----------------------------------------------------
    Bachmann Brownhill Ayling* Amartey

    (Brownhill and Bachmann also flagged)

    Thanks.

  14. RAFA THE GAFFA
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Evening all. 2FTs here and only 0.2 to play with. Worth switching Ings >> Benrahma using both FTs? Any other ideas welcome!

    Sanchez
    TAA. Shaw. Livramento
    Salah. Jota. Raph. Sarr
    Ronaldo. Antonio. Ings
    (Foster, Gilmour, White, Ayling)

    1. tangtastic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Think the weak link is Ings for sure, unsure if Benrahma is that atractive. His last goal was a a bit lucky, and your midfield looks ok to me.

      The problem is lack of obvious alternatives for forwards. Pukki, Dennis, Jiminez, Armstrong and Maupay all have decent fixtures but are all a bit punty. But I would still prefer almost any of those instead of Ings atm.

      That said, after 2 more gw's Villa's fixtures look good. But as sideways as it is, I'd prefer Watkins.

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 7 months ago

        What about Saint-Max?

        1. tangtastic
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          2 years, 7 months ago

          missed him out. yes he is as viable as any of the above I mentioned for sure.

    2. Karan14
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Ings to Jimenez and save other FT.

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 7 months ago

        Jiminez based on what?

    3. Sandy Ravage
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Worth considering funds available if you plan to upgrade your defence to get in Chelsea and City players

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 7 months ago

        Saint Max? Armstrong?

  15. klopp4kop
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Guys is ANTONIO fit?? Asking as he wasn’t even in the squad against united in EFL cup. Any news on him?

    1. Philosopher's Stones
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Yeah, he's fit.

  16. Gunners in Haaland
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    First -4 done.
    Gtg or anything worth a second hit?

    Sánchez
    TAA Semedo Rüdiger
    Salah Traoré Gallagher Jota Sissoko
    Antonio Ronaldo(c)

    Steele Bamford Jansson Williams

    Cheers

  17. RAFA THE GAFFA
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Best sub 4.7m defender? Duffy? Veltman?

    1. artvandelay316
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      White?

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 7 months ago

        Got him. Anyone but him or Ayling (who I might sell)

    2. tangtastic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      I like Duffy. Place looks secure atm, goal threat and Brighton have decent defence. Great value.

      Livramento too. Looks secure and gets forward. Could be OoP going forward in midfield. Southampton cleanie against city was promising too.

      At 4.1m they are both great value and have come off my bench a couple of time already to deliver pts.

  18. artvandelay316
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Currently have Lukaku up front, but on WC. Is it worth swapping him for Ronaldo for this week, then next week bring him back with FT? I have been tempted to do it because of an easier fixture, but also have a gut feeling that Chelsea could make City suffer.

    1. Amartey Partey
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Yes

  19. JBG
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Which one?

    A) Raphinha to Sarr
    B) Ayling to Rudiger
    C) Bench both and play Pukki and Duffy

    ??

    1. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      C

    2. Gunners in Haaland
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      B

  20. royals forever
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    In your opinion who is the best 9.0 DF combo for this back seven for the next few GWs

    Bachmann Raya

    Tierney Rudiger Livramento xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx

    Any ideas would be welcomed

    1. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Is this a WC? Where’s Alonso?

  21. TheBabyfacedAssassin
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Sanchez
    Trent, Digne, Shaw, Dunk, Livramento
    Salah, Torres, Benrahma, Gray, Brownhill
    Lukaku, Ronaldo, 4.5

    1 ft 0 ITB. Any suggestions? My initial thoughts were Raph for Torres, but now he's a doubt i'm backing out. Save or other suggestions? Thanks!

  22. Flynny
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Evening....2fts. 0.7mitb. Likely wildcard in gw8....what do I do with this please? Just want use 1 ft....

    Thoughts on toney to josh king (Newcastle and leeds) before wildcarding?

    Sanchez
    Taa shaw livra (white ayling)
    Salah greenwood benrahma jota (gilmour)
    Ronaldo Antonio toney

    Thanks

  23. The Final Boss
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Guys any news on how long bam out for?

  24. el polako
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Is Ben Foster first choice goalie now ?

  25. drughi
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Any risk for rotation regarding Bowen ? Like him as a punt on wc

    1. Weak Become Heros
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Not really, he has been in great form.

  26. thirddimension
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Sarr or Gray for a one week punt before WC next week? Norwich is the best fixture, but feel more confident in Sarr generally….

    1. 2001: A Space Origi
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Gray

      1. thirddimension
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 7 months ago

        Yeah that’s what I’m leaning towards. It’s always great to see an attacker against Norwich in your team lineup haha!

  27. EL tridente
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Who should replace Bamford?
    A) ASM
    B) Armstrong

  28. Stupendous
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Raph to Gallagher for free and bank the change?+

  29. 2001: A Space Origi
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    I am only 700K, but been moving up for last 3 weeks

    Guaita (Raya)
    TAA, James, Cresswell (Williams, Livra)
    Salah, Gundo, Benrahma, Grey (Mount)
    CR7, Antonio, Dennis

    I usually play around and play WC in first few game weeks, even though I spent days picking first draft.

    I quite like the team as a framework, but wish I hadn't bought in Mount this week and picked Torres instead....

    Have 0.3M ITB, and I don't want Sarr or Raph in my team, any suggestions please you fine young cannibals?

    Muchos Gracias!!

    1. 2001: A Space Origi
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 7 months ago

      Bueller, Bueller...Anyone, anyone? 😀

  30. Babit1967
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 7 months ago

    Don’t have Antonio which is risky

    Jiminez to Antonio for a hit a bit wild?