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Dugout Discussion October 23

Alonso benched again as Havertz leads the line in injured Lukaku’s absence

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Chelsea v Norwich City is the first of six Premier League matches to take place on Saturday, with kick-off at Stamford Bridge at 12:30 BST.

As was inevitable, there are a handful of notable benchings to report from Thomas Tuchel’s latest teamsheet.

Marcos Alonso (£5.9m) is only a substitute for the third Gameweek in a row, while Andreas Christensen (£5.1m) and Cesar Azpilicueta (£6.2m) make way from the side that defeated Brentford 1-0 last week.

The non-inclusion of Alonso in the Chelsea XI means that the in-form Ben Chilwell (£5.7m), the most-bought Fantasy Premier League (FPL) defender of Gameweek 9, is given another start at left wing-back.

Antonio Rudiger (£5.8m) and Thiago Silva (£5.5m) are back in the side after missing out last weekend, while Reece James (£5.5m) gets a run-out at right wing-back for only the second time in six Gameweeks.

Kai Havertz (£8.1m) looks poised to lead the line in the absence of the injured Timo Werner (£8.6m) and Romelu Lukaku (£11.6m), with the ‘out of position’ German joined by Mason Mount (£7.4m) and Callum Hudson-Odoi (£5.3m) in the hosts’ attack.

Alonso, Lukaku and Azpilicueta are three of the five most-owned Chelsea assets in FPL, with Edouard Mendy (£6.1m) and Rudiger the only others with double-digit ownerships.

Chilwell and Havertz are the most-backed within the top 10k, however – and Havertz has been handed the armband by over 11% of these leading managers, with only Mohamed Salah (£12.8m) captained by more:

As for Norwich, who are without the ineligible loanee Billy Gilmour (£4.4m) today, they are unchanged yet again following a recent upturn in performances in Daniel Farke’s new 3-5-2 set-up.

GAMEWEEK 9 LINE-UPS

Chelsea XI: Mendy, James, Rudiger, Thiago Silva, Chalobah, Chilwell, Jorginho, Kovacic,Mount, Hudson-Odoi, Havertz.

Substitutes: Arrizabalaga, Alonso, Christensen, Loftus-Cheek, Saul, Barkley, Ziyech, Azpilicueta, Sarr.

Norwich City XI: Krul, Aarons, Kabak, Hanley, Gibson, Giannoulis, Lees-Melou, Normann, McLean, Sargent, Pukki.

Substitutes: Gunn, Rupp, Dowell, Rashica, Tzolis, Sorensen, Williams, Idah, Omobamidele.

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  1. Holmes
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Just a Vardy blank now and all will be good

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    1. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      #sign

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  2. Drexl Spivey
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Literally a gnat's hair away from doing Sarr to Mount yesterday.

    (kicks the filing cabinet - composes oneself)

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    1. dinamika
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Almost triple Captain mount

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      1. Drexl Spivey
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Ooooft!

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    2. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Shoulda coulda woulda

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  3. FantasyClub
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Havertz is going to be in the naughty corner for a while. Tuchel won’t even play him next GE

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    1. DA Minnion (Former great)
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Why what did he do or not do?

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      1. Bojam
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        He did fine. Led the line effectively. Doubt Tuchel has a problem with his performance. From an FPL perspective though he was obviously a big let down.

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  4. Milk, 1 Šuker
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Any line into Marcal's absence?

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    1. Il Capitano
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      He's poo

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      1. Il Capitano
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Be in seriousness, I think Ait-Nouri has been breathing down his neck all season

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        1. Il Capitano
          • 3 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Lol ok, just seen he isn't in the squad and hasn't been training all week

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  5. Original Sin
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Chose havertz over Mount. But at least I got Chilwell and Rudiger right. 24 from 3

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  6. Liberate HK - antichinazi
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Someone in my league got Mount (C) and Chilwell, crazy

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  7. Bartowski
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Last place in a fanteam entry - would you prefer Saint Maxim or Maddison? Ta

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    1. Duke Silver ☑
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      ASM

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      1. mgilbert86
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Asm

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    2. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      For the season long game? I wouldn't pick either.

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      1. Bartowski
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        No just this week and I managed to squeeze in Mbuemo instead. Thanks.

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  8. Bavarian
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Havertz what a legend...I want my -4 back now

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    1. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Told you he was like a scooter vs 911 Turbo.

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      1. Bavarian
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Exactly man...i remember very well 🙁

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  9. RogDog_jimmy
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Sometimes you just have to laugh. Oh well.

    If Salah blanks then the Havertz(c) is hardly a big deal. But really - it’s very funny.

    This decision following dropping Son for a hit - feels like the FPL gods are trying to teach me something…just not sure what.

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    1. The Polymath
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      FPL gods 😀

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    2. Philosopher's Stones
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Well, if there's an FPL god, I need his phone number. I just wanna talk.

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      1. RogDog_jimmy
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Ha. Just scream to the heavens. (Or maybe scream down - seems more likely)

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  10. Nomar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Nowhere for Havertz cappers to hide?

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    1. 1984 TC
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      No

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  11. Stranger Mings
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    I nearly went CHO but went havertz ..

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  12. tbos83
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Havertz has to go down as one of the worst traps in fpl history

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    1. Stranger Mings
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      I am ashamed

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  13. Stranger Mings
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Was havertz that bad or unlucky?

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    1. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      He was poor.

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      1. ZeBestee
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        I think he is not PL material, his body just doesn't scream a PL success.

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        1. pjomara
          • 13 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Who would have thought that someone who only scored 4 goals all last season didn't score.

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    2. ZeBestee
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      He is not PL quality, not anywhere near. His balance should be 30 in fifa.

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    3. Uppercut Panda - A legend i…
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      He was that bad. Can only remember him taking one shot that was deflected for a corner.

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      1. Stranger Mings
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        So do we bin him straight away?

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        1. Uppercut Panda - A legend i…
          • 9 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Unless Lukaku looks like he's coming back next game, I'd probably hold at least for Newcastle. Just have to wait and see.

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    4. Bobby Digital
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Didn't get into scoring positions tbf

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    5. Abraham & Cheese
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      I disagree. Havertz is a young star and can play many positions and has held his own in the PL and CL for Chelsea. But we all know that good IRL players don't always translate into amazing FPL players and vice versa. He had a decent game and helped Chelsea win, creating space for the mids and flanks to run into. Norwich also had a defender dedicated to just following him around so he rarely had the space to get a decent shot off.

      But from a FPL perspective, Havertz just hasn't proved himself as a player worth investing in with his points per £ cost returns in the last seasons. So far he hasn't proven his worth keeping/investing for his price.

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  14. ZeBestee
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Havertz comes in and goes out of my team without seeing the inside.

    Best replacement?

    1) Son
    2) Mount
    3) Foden

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    1. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Has to be Mount 😉

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    2. Stranger Mings
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Wow surely hsve to give him another game ? Although son is tempting

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      1. ZeBestee
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Not from what I saw. If you cant take advantage against the likes of Hanley then it's not going to be easy against other defenders. Just poor.

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        1. Stranger Mings
          • 3 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Ok I took -4 to get him so feel i need to give another game although fmaybe tempted to replace for a 8.1m player

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      2. FantasyClub
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Mate, Tuchel himself doesn’t even rate Havertz. I would get rid ASAP!

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        1. Stranger Mings
          • 3 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Ok cheers i look at replacement

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    3. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Son

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    4. FantasyClub
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Might feel like point chasing but I’d still go Mount for next 2

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      1. Stranger Mings
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Don’t people say you shouldn’t chase last weeks points though ?

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        1. FantasyClub
          • 3 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Yeah but I’d get him in for the fixtures not just simply coz he hauled. Foden isn’t nailed and Son doesn’t have the easiest fixtures

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    5. Rankbajin
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      I kept my FT in my pocket this week to do swap out of Ronaldo and Benrhama to Son and whoever next week.
      Might change my mind and do Auby and Mount instead.

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    6. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Son

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  15. Firmino
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Switch Christensen to
    A) Chilwell
    B) James
    C) Keep

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    1. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Lets see what happens midweek.

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    2. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Wait on midweek game

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    3. F4L
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      it's tough because Silva is playing well and looking capable of playing twice in a week

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    4. ZeBestee
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      A

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  16. Scots Gooner
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Not actually had any players play yet (Christensen benched), but currently on a 200k drop on LiveFPL. Scary.

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    1. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Pretty good actually considering you have zero points.

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  17. tbos83
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    If Havertz is rested midweek I will give him one more chance against Newc.

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    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Midweek?

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      1. tbos83
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        They have an EFL game

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      2. Crunchie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        EPL Cup

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    2. FantasyClub
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Bro get rid. What part of Havertz game today gives you hope? He was so poor

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  18. 1984 TC
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    How do I get rid or fix the big green drop down thing (don’t even know how to explain it), at the top of the page, which shows all the sub links? It seems to be stuck….

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    1. 1984 TC
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Ok, it magically disappeared now. Thanks for your help.

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      1. Rankbajin
        • 2 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        yeh that was weird.

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  19. Original Sin
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Didn't think Mount was nailed though. He came on for 25 minutes cameos in the last 2 games. Was he certain to start this game? Or is he just on because of Kaku injury?

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    1. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Coming back to full fitness. He's in their strongest XI.

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      1. WVA
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Exactly, coming back to fill fitness
        Massive captain hindsight, didn't see anyone going for him on here

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        1. Crunchie
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          I did. many time (was going to do it for Saka, but bottled it.

          https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2021/10/22/the-best-fantasy-bundesliga-players-for-matchday-9/?hc_page=2&hc_sort_by=comment_date#hc_comment_24277828

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          1. Crunchie
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            Not captain though, that was/is always Salah this week

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          2. WVA
            • 7 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            Exactly you didn't go for him
            FPL is all luck matey

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      2. Original Sin
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        So most probably he will start from now onward? Or Havertz---> Mount is also a trap?

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  20. Ronnies
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Best option;

    Greenwood to:

    A) Mount
    B) Mbuemo

    Cheers.

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    1. JBG
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Havertz

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      1. FantasyClub
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Lmfao

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    2. Eh, just one more thing ...
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      B

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  21. Liberate HK - antichinazi
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2021/10/22/tierney-injury-latest-as-smith-rowe-and-aubameyang-impress-in-gameweek-9/?hc_page=2&hc_sort_by=comment_date#hc_comment_24283849

    Can this Q be re-answered? A or B?

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    1. Paqueta Rice
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      A get Chillwell

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    2. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Pointless exercise after the fact

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  22. Sun Jihai
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Kai cappers checking in later: https://i.imgflip.com/5rj3rf.jpg

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    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Screw you

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      1. Rupert The Horse
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Time for a user name change.

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        1. Cok3y5murf
          • 7 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          He is Zico Senna, a serial moaner who changes his name frequently

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    2. Eh, just one more thing ...
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Lol mean lol

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    3. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      LOL

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    4. Paqueta Rice
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      😆

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    5. Walter White (WW)
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      😆

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    6. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      A truly moronic idea.

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    7. Eze Really?
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Beat this. took ESR for Havertz for -4 (KaaaaaK)

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      1. Sun Jihai
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Ooooof!

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    8. pjomara
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      They should be happy with the clean pt.
      That's why people captained Kai right - a CS was guaranteed v Norwich? It was hardly because they thought he'd score

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      1. pjomara
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        *clean sheet pt

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  23. WVA
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    How many BAPS for Rudi with that clean sheet and assist?

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    1. Eh, just one more thing ...
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Zero

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    2. DA Minnion (Former great)
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Yeah right.

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  24. Silecro
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Watched a lot of games in my life, but this must be one of the easiest clean sheets i've ever seen. Norwich never came even remotely close to creating any sort of chance, just sickeningly bad from them. Mendy had maybe 5-7 touches the entire game

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    1. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Frustrated Azpi owner here.

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      1. Silecro
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        yeah I feel you, he would easily get double digits in this game

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    2. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Leeds will still manage to concede next GW (former Ayling owner)

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  25. F4L
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    If Farke isn't sacked now, I don't think he ever will be

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  26. mgilbert86
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Gilmour to de bruyne

    Or

    Saint max-> Vardy/kane

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    1. Philosopher's Stones
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Robbed a bank?

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      1. mgilbert86
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Lukaku to toney

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        1. Philosopher's Stones
          • 3 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          ASM better than Gilmour. So, the first option.

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  27. Paqueta Rice
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Are people looking at getting James now? His minutes have been so limited and it was only Norwich. Is he too risky?

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    1. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      He's still a risky pick. Fantastic when he starts, but that's not always & he cameos.

      Chalobah has been solid & Azpi will play mostly.

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    2. F4L
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      sold him this week for Rudiger 😆 Idk, Chalobah is playing well and Azpi has done well in the RWB spot this season, and the 1 pointers are annoying. The upside of owning is obviously pretty big though.

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    3. BIGREDDOG
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      James and Chilly both great picks, both gonna play a lot. If I had Rudi/azpi then it would be a luxury move to switch to one of them.

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    4. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Steering clear. Burnt me once.

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  28. The Mandalorian
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Well done Mount owners.

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    1. tbos83
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Said through gritted teeth

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      1. Elfozzie 42
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Ha!

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  29. Stranger Mings
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Are the lessons from this.. 1, chilwell is better option than TAA for significantly less? 2, CHO worth a gamble at 5.4? 3, Chelsea defender essential?

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  30. Ze_Austin
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    TAA Cancelo Chilwell is here to stay

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    1. Liberate HK - antichinazi
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      with Livra on bench, perfect

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    2. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Reckon that becomes the new template alongside Livramento and Duffy

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