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How live rank update tools can affect how we play FPL

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Everyone loves live Fantasy Premier League (FPL) rank updates, don’t they? I probably spend more time on a certain LiveFPL site than I do with my family. Sometimes I reflexively start typing its name into my browser for no real reason. I’ve considered starting a support group, it’s gotten pretty serious.

While live rank updates are not necessarily a new thing, it’s only fairly recently that they’ve entered the broader FPL consciousness. But has the ability to see how an event on the football pitch affects your FPL rank in almost real-time changed the way we approach the game? This article will look at how the relatively new phenomenon of live rank updates might influence how we play and enjoy the game and what impulses we might need to better manage when engaging with them.

They Make FPL Feel Like a Live Sport

I’ll kick off with the biggest positive I see to live rank updates which is that they make experiencing a Gameweek feel more like you’re watching a live match and, in my opinion, it becomes more engaging as a result. In many ways, their effect resembles the final day of the season where every event might affect who wins the league, qualifies for Europe, stays up or gets relegated. A last-minute goal from one of your players is usually exciting but it’s arguably even more exciting when you can see it turn a red arrow green or push you above a mini-league rival. There’s no doubt in my mind that the mainstream emergence of live rank updates has added a whole new dimension to how we can experience FPL.

Those who were playing FPL in the 2011/12 season though, might remember having to wait until the Monday afternoon after the last round of matches had been played to see what their final rank was and whether they’d won their mini-leagues. While this did, I suppose, add some extra dramatic tension to the proceedings, it was far from ideal and serves to illustrate the stark difference between then and now.

In those days FPL was a lot less transparent and itemizable. If your player scored points it was obviously a good thing and you still had a reasonable idea of whether or not that player was a differential so you could estimate how good a thing it was. But there was also some distance between the event and its effects. Nowadays, if a player scores you can see almost immediately how it affected your rank, whether that be for better or for worse.

Laws, Sausages… and FPL

Famed 19th-century German statesman Otto von Bismarck was once quoted as saying, “If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being made” – and the same could probably be said for FPL ranks. Being able to see which specific players influence your rank and the exact extent to which they do it is potentially useful strategically, but not necessarily something you want to have to process moment to moment, especially when it’s bad news. Stress and excitement are often two sides of the same coin and, sometimes, it’s better for your mental wellbeing to get the news, good or bad, in one big dose rather than have it drip-fed to you.

I think the most obvious solution here is to actively manage your usage. For reasons explained above, I love cranking up the live update tools when there are a lot of matches going on or, more specifically, when I have a lot of players playing – but I also think it’s good advice to consider leaving these tools alone if there are matches on in which you don’t have any players playing or the biggest threat to your rank is in action. These are the instances where it is far, far better for your mood and overall mental wellbeing to just rip the plaster off at full-time rather than peel it off slowly over 90 minutes. In fact, why are you even watching these matches, have you never heard of a garden centre?

How We Value Players

The influence of live rank updates likely extends well beyond the excitement/stress dichotomy and may well influence the way we play the game itself. For example, if you get used to seeing your rank decline on Sundays, you might start assigning greater value to the players who the live rank tools indicate are causing this. You might even start valuing over players who play more regularly on a Saturday, even if other factors might not support this evaluation.

Because who plays on a Sunday isn’t entirely random but is, rather, dictated by factors such as which teams are playing in Europe, you now have a systemic basis for inefficiently valuing players and, while that sounds really nerdy, FPL is ultimately all about using your budget as efficiently as possible. After all, the person who uses it the most efficiently over a season will invariably win the whole thing.

The rational perspective would be to care only about whether, collectively, your players achieved a red or a green arrow at the end of the Gameweek. Whether they went from a green to a red or a bigger green to a smaller green between Saturday and Sunday is ultimately irrelevant. However, because we can see that certain players or certain teams seem to affect our ranks one way or the other on a Sunday, we might convince ourselves that we need to cover them, potentially at the expense of better options.

The microscopic perspective that we gain from live score updates might not just influence which teams we focus on but how many players we look for from each team. If two players from a particular club aren’t positively pushing the needle for your rank due to high effective ownership, you might think that three players are the solution. This isn’t necessarily wrong, but it is a conclusion that is far easier to come to if you are watching how your rank is adjusting in real-time. As above, you also run the risk of artificially inflating the value of certain players over others. Points are points, ultimately, so it shouldn’t matter in the long term whether they came from a third Spurs player today or a solitary Crystal Palace player yesterday.

Back when ranks were updated only after the Gameweek had ended, it was less important which players were responsible for which part of the green or red arrow. Points were king and a rank change was largely indivisible. Now, however, rank changes can be monitored, in-play, moment to moment and minutely deconstructed as a result. This could offer a strategic advantage for those who can observe these factors rationally and in context but, as discussed here, it also opens us up to the influence of various biases that can lead us in the wrong direction.

Conclusion

Live rank updates have added many new dimensions to the game of FPL and, while some of these serve to enhance the experience of playing it, others provide new challenges to the veracity of our decision-making. 

Depending on how you use them, live rank updates can add more excitement or more stress, they can help you make better strategic decisions, or they can trigger irrational biases. The key words, of course, are ‘depending on how you use them’. The information these tools provide can influence your enjoyment of the game and the decisions you make in relation to it, so it’s important to bear this in mind when deciding when to access them and to acknowledge the potential biases their use can amplify when it comes to making your FPL decisions.

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  1. Rassi
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Never felt luckier than this gw. Not because of points (50 with Regs and Dalot to play) but because decided to go against my stupid gut who told me to play my 1st FH. Even rolled my ft in the end...

    1. JONALDINHO
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Playing my FH would’ve cost me over 30 pts plus the actual FH itself which you could say is worth 20 pts. That’s 50 pts saved. Massive

      1. Botman and Robben
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Yup. But I don't think that many people used their FH this GW right?

        1. Rassi
          • 9 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          In the top 10k 5.63 % played their FH1 and 1.74 played FH2. So 7.37 % in total. Not an insignificant number.

    2. Nate(U)dog(ie)
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Sometimes doing nothing at all is the best move in FPL. I've found more often than not when I've done that this season things have turned out fairly well, and when they don't then you at least have that extra transfer to use to try to fix things

    3. Useless
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      I thought Regulion was out of tonight's game?

      1. Rassi
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Then I should get Silva's tasty 3 pointer from the bench.

    4. Mr. O'Connell
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Wish I'd rolled (and started Cancelo) rather than buying Trossard. When in doubt, do nothing. And there were so many doubts.

    5. StayoutheSpiceZone
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Well done - glad it worked out.

      I made a massive 'mistake' by activating my FH before the deadline and was going to have 3 x Leic and 3 x spurs players.

      Had to have some players I didn't want but massively lucky on Bruno (c) and currently on 66 points. My non free hit team is on 29 so very happy!

      3 to play tonight, so another Bruno brace would be incredible!

      1. Rassi
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        That's great! Well played.

    6. _Gunner
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      I think Reguilion is fit.

      1. Rassi
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Hopefully. Just noticed my two main rivals will get Cancelo from the bench if Regs doesn't play.

  2. Catastrophe
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Thought on this WC chaps?

    Sa
    TAA, Cancelo, Robertson, Digne
    KDB, Fernandes, Raphinha, Bowen
    Watkins, Dennis

    (Foster, Ramsey, Broja, Lowton)

    2.6M ITB for Fernandes -> Salah and Raphinha -> Foden.

    Cheers.

    1. Jebiga
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      No dcl?

      1. Catastrophe
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        No, I don't think so - not yet anyways. Want to see how they do under Big Dunc in the interim and also without Digne feeding him crosses. Wonder if El Ghazi could potentially also be on pens? If he does start firing I can probably get him in for Dennis in a couple of weeks.

    2. Devos
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Really nice team!
      The triple up on AVL might be an overkill though. I would swap Digne for Ait Nouri or Watkins for DCL.

      1. Catastrophe
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Cheers. It almost certainly will turn out to be overkill and end up in disaster - exciting though 🙂 looking at the players in isolation, Ramsey and Digne are looking incredible value and I think Watkins deserves a spot. Obviously a risk with the triple up, and hopefully we'll get DGW confirmation pre-deadline....

  3. JONALDINHO
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Will Salah drop once more before GW24?

    1. JBG
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Would be nice.

  4. internal error
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Sam Luckhurst tweeted last night : "Anthony Martial is travelling with the #mufc squad to Brentford. Ronaldo also in squad" which might perhaps suggest Ronaldo did not travel with the squad

    1. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      * that he was in the squad but might have travelled by other means

    2. Catastrophe
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      A lot of emphasis is being put on if and how Ronnie travelled. Surely as he's confirmed to be in the squad, he's 'there'?

      1. Ask Yourself
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Unless there’s a late injury setback or something

        1. Catastrophe
          • 13 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          That's always possible, but there's not been any indication or even any rumours of that, has there?

      2. internal error
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        its mainly because The Sun and Daily Mail are saying he didnt travel to London.

    3. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      not sure how you would come to that conclusion.

      1. internal error
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        because he said Martial is travelling with the squad. Why didnt he say that Martial and Ronaldo travelled with the squad

        1. No Professionals
          • 6 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          Because there is another story regards Martial (apparently refusing to be in a previous squad). You seem to want him to have put "Anthony Martial is travelling with the #mufc squad to Brentford. Ronaldo has also travelled with the squad".

          I read it as "Anthony Martial is travelling with the #mufc squad to Brentford. Ronaldo is also in the squad (that has travelled)".

          1. internal error
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            2 years, 2 months ago

            Yeah, I dont agree. you're basically doing what you're accusing me of doing but seeing it differently lol

            1. No Professionals
              • 6 Years
              2 years, 2 months ago

              Martial has travelled with THE SQUAD (capitalising for emphasis rather than shouting).

              This means THE SQUAD has travelled.

              Ronaldo is also in THE SQUAD.

              the squad is the same thing in both sentences.

              1. internal error
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                2 years, 2 months ago

                Its strange to say Ronaldo is with the squad in a separate sentence instead of saying both Martial and Ronaldo travelled with the squad. Your reason about a separate story with Martial doesnt warrant Sam mentioning him travelling with the squad in a separate sentence because he hasnt gone into any details

                1. No Professionals
                  • 6 Years
                  2 years, 2 months ago

                  Ronaldo not travelling with squad would be a story and would have been more explicit.

                  Just my opinion on how it would be written.

                2. Ephurion
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 7 Years
                  2 years, 2 months ago

                  Not at all imo.
                  Martial with squad = his personal issue-whatever has been resolved.
                  Ronaldo with squad = injury update.

                  Makes sense to separate them.

                  1. internal error
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 11 Years
                    2 years, 2 months ago

                    maybe but I dont see it that away as he hasnt specified either with a reason

                  2. Baps hunter
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 6 Years
                    2 years, 2 months ago

                    Doesn't Ronaldo use a big SUV and travel alone with personal driver when others perhaps use bus?

                    1. internal error
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 11 Years
                      2 years, 2 months ago

                      no idea. I hope so lol

                3. ilikewud
                  • 3 Years
                  2 years, 2 months ago

                  To be fair Ralps first language isn't English. I definitely read it as though Ronaldo was with the squad that travelled.

    4. Rains of Castamere
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      People keep saying he could have gone direct after being in Switzerland but it makes no sense. The FIFA ceremony was Monday night, he was back by Tuesday AM as Rangnick said he would be looking at him in training on Tuesday afternoon. I can't imagine Ronaldo would be jetting off again on Tuesday night somewhere the day before a game!

      1. internal error
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        We shall see. I didnt think anything of Sams tweet last night but seeing daily mail and S*n say he didnt travel to London has me seeing this tweet differently. Maybe I'm overreading into it

    5. Pino
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      All This if/then reminds me of studying at the Universety and the truth tables. That was fun.

      Still remember.. if A than B, no A no B.. and so on. 🙂

      1. internal error
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        lol.

  5. No Professionals
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    another difficult week to plan...

    De Gea
    Trent Cancelo Reguilon
    Bruno Jota Bernardo Bowen Maddison
    Watkins King

    Steele Antonio Keane Livramento
    1.7m 1ft

    DGW potentially changes transfers and captaincy (although Leeds games must be vulnerable with all of their injuries).

    Based on what we know now, I am thinking:
    A) Bruno to KDB(c)
    B) Bruno & Keane to KDB(c) and Digne

    1. Catastrophe
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Tricky one - A looks good. B looks good if Villa DGW confirmed (will we find out before deadline...?)

      1. No Professionals
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        B is probably a decent move long term anyway so may be an option regardless.

        Captaincy will be wide open unless a double is announced.

        1. Catastrophe
          • 13 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          Yes, agreed. A lot of people have used both FHs, a lot using WCs (myself included) or a lot of hits, so I wouldn't be too worried about a -4 if you're happy with it long-term.

    2. royals forever
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      I would do B in all honesty

    3. Tinmen
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Definitely see about Villa doubles.
      Could even keep Bruno another week!

      Are you happy keeping hold of Bernardo ?

      1. No Professionals
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        if i was on WC he would 100% go, but reluctant to remove him before Southampton.

        another option is Maddison or Bernardo to Raphinha, just nervous about how close Leeds must be to requesting postponements.

  6. Camzy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    To be honest, not caring so much about live ranks during a gameweek has been one of the best decisions I've made regarding FPL.

    It's no longer about what results I get and more about enjoying the decision making process. That is what 'playing FPL' is about to me. Once the deadline passes, there's nothing you can do anyway. So just sit back and enjoy the football.

    I'm not thinking about if Ronaldo starts and who I get off my bench. It's now about who do I want to transfer in for GW23 and what's my plan going forward?

    It's a life lesson too that you should not worry about things you cannot control.

    1. mox81
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Completely agree. What's done is done once the deadline has passed. Still enjoy LiveFPL to inform future decisions as things like ownership are informative to selection, captain etc and LiveFPL provides a really clear perspective.

    2. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Who is worrying? Watching the rises and falls on live rank as goals go in, cleanies are lost and cards are issued greatly enhances the live match experience for me and many others.

      1. Camzy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        I mean that's great for you. But I don't really get much out of the live rank thing knowing that it's in flux.

        I check livefpl at the start of the week to see EO% which interests me as well as look at mini league rivals. And then at the end of the week to see how much I've gone up/down.

        The in-between part doesn't appeal much to me.

      2. Uncle Baby Billy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        That's definitely the saddest thing I've ever read. Good luck and best wishes for a speedy recovery.

        1. Wild Rover
          • 13 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          Thanks, you seem like a nice guy. Stick to lurking.

        2. Zimo
          • 5 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          Does that make u feel better about yourself downplaying what he enjoys?

        3. NorCal Villan
          • 2 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          Great user name! Right now I envision you running through the house with a pickle in yer mouth

    3. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      it's a bit like saying, don't watch your team play football and suffer the highs and lows. You can't control the outcome, just check the result after.

      Might work for some people.

      1. Camzy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        I don't see it that way. There's enjoyment in watching football that's apart from FPL.

        Seeing a really nice passing sequence, or a wonder goal, or a dramatic late equalizer. These are reasons to watch football that FPL doesn't care about. I'm a football fan first and FPL player second.

        I still watch Rovers every week even though I don't play Championship fantasy and want them to do well.

        1. No Professionals
          • 6 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          I wasn't connecting the two, just making the comparison.

          I enjoy football, I enjoy watching the games and the highs and lows that come with it.

          I enjoy fantasy football, I enjoy checking the scores, watching the games, and that makes it exciting for me.

    4. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      You're not even thinking about if your captain is playing and who you get off the bench is a strange one? You clearly invest a lot of time in the game so I can't believe you've not looked at various permutations on if he does/doesn't play. I have Ronaldo (c) and Bruno (vc) with Raphina first on bench so I know I gain 20pts straight away if Ronaldo is out

      1. Camzy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        What does that change though? I can't change who I captained this week. The deadline has passed.

        The permutation math on what-ifs only leads to disappointment. Would it make you feel better to know you missed out on 32 points by picking Ronaldo over Bruno (c) or just 28 points?

        1. Camzy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          This is part of what I'm talking about. You have to set yourself up to think positively. And what I've found is that going over who I captained vs who I benched and what if transfer scenarios, leads only to negative thinking.

          Focusing on planning ahead where the possibilities are endless and you can dream of Coutinho differential captain hauls makes FPL more enjoyable.

          Expect little, hope for the best. Of course this doesn't mean neglect what's happened before and you must learn from your mistakes, but looking back in anguish at past decisions and that for me includes ongoing weeks because the deadline has passed and you can't change it, is just setting yourself up for unhappiness.

        2. Pat Bonner
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          It doesn't change anything and I'm comfortable with whatever the outcome is tonight - I've played this game long enough to know it's the nature of FPL. For me it's just natural to be interested in how my team will do and I would be amazed if you weren't the same...do you really just "enjoy the football" without thinking about FPL or watching your players closely? This all adds to the experience when you see your captain score a last minute goal or a double clean sheet wiped out in last minute after watching 90mins of a Burnley game!

          1. Camzy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            2 years, 2 months ago

            Genuinely, I can change my mindset now once the deadline has passed.

            Planning mode, football mode. In football mode, I enjoy the games regardless of how my FPL players do.

            It also helps to play lots of different Fantasy Football games. I play FanTeam, Fantasy5 and FPL. So I have lots of players involved and I'm hedged regardless of what happens. So I don't pay attention to any one particular player often. Even though I didn't captain Bruno in FPL, I have him captained in FanTeam Second Chance for instance so at least one team somewhere is doing well. It also means it's too much to keep track of in real time so I just kick back and enjoy the games and I'll check the damage later and go back into planning mode once the games are done.

            1. Pat Bonner
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              2 years, 2 months ago

              Fair enough, like you say there are different ways to play the game and enjoy it. I don't support any English teams so I think that helps me in some ways as FPL allows me to keep an interest when I watch a game but without getting caught up in team I support.

    5. Baps hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      I agree. And therefore it is important to watch football and scout players and try to forget what happens in this game of luck.

  7. Nate(U)dog(ie)
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    I'll be honest, I never check live rank or use any of those tools. I think they can be useful, but personally I don't see the point in checking my current rank before the GW has ended, especially if it's in the middle of a period where matches are going on. Can only take a minute for clean sheets to be wiped out or for players to get a yc and have bonus pts knocked off, or for players that you really don't want to see picking up points going from blanking to a huge haul. I feel like spending all day keeping an eye on matches and points is far more than enough, watching your rank bounce all over the place just feels like it would be setting most up for annoyance and disappointment.

    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Guess we'll have to agree to disagree 😉

      1. Baps hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        I agree. Sometimes there are also good results. Prepare for the worst and be happy for good results. It makes life more exciting if wanted.

    2. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Yeah I'm with you. But I understand why some people enjoy it.

    3. Reacher
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Same here, I never check live rank, I don't see the point as what will be will be etc

  8. AARON-1
    • 2 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    I thought I'd get my calculator out and add up all the attacking returns from Alonso since he came in to replace Chilwell.

    2

    Didn't need the calculator after all...
    Here's a calculation, however:

    11 games + 2 assists + 34pts + magnet for yellow cards = not very good

    1. Fit_to_drop
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      You could carry out the exact same calculation since bringing Watkins in on the basis of "improved fixtures". What a waste of a striker slot that is. And people are still promoting him. Id go Coutinho/Ramsey and that's plenty from Villa.

      1. AARON-1
        • 2 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Indeed. Watkins has 5 league goals this season not 15.

  9. DannyDrinkVodka
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    This has been one of my worst gameweeks ever playing fpl.........stupidly misreading the Ronaldo situation led me to take a -8 and veer from the perfectly good captain options I already had (Kane, Cancelo TAA)......or a -4 for Bruno(c).......which I wavered on until the very end.....ended up also getting Dennis as part of the -8 and made him VC!

    1. Fit_to_drop
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      I too looked at Brunos profile before deadline date last week and it read like a binary code for a computer program (1,0,1,0) so i passed on him though i could see the logic of the 2 fixtures he had. I'm exaggerating of course, but there wasnt much to go on...

  10. royals forever
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Hi

    In your opinion who is the best 9.5m ST to have for the next few GWs for this front 8

    Jota Bernardo Saka Bowen Mbuemo

    Ronaldo Dennis xxxxxxxx

    Any ideas would be welcomed

    1. Fit_to_drop
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Daka is a good punt if he plays and scores tonight as Vardy will be out and Rogers has to give him a run at some point. Leftfield yes, but so many strikers have been misfiring this season, not much choice out there.

      1. Scrumper
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        I like the Daka shout, really want to punt on him instead of Watkins, but LEI have some tough fixtures coming up...

    2. JBG
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Watkins imo, but only if Villa gets DGW.

      1. JBG
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Could also drop the 3th strike and upgrade Mbuemo or Saka.

        1. The Mighty Hippo
          • 7 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          That's what I'd do for sure. You can inject 5M into that midfield and get a better return of points.

    3. vova
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Watkins is the popular choice

    4. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Not many options! DCL or Watkins or Gray

    5. Tinmen
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Are you happy having Bernardo ?

  11. Ragabolly
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Hi all 🙂 Just wanted to say that I appreciate all points of view regarding live ranks, gains and losses and EO. Completely understand some not wanting to check their rank in real time.

    I would argue that it's not meaningless to monitor real time effects as it can give an understanding of risk/reward of owning/not owning certain players which is an integral part of the game. Also to many it's an exciting part of the live gameweek that makes them feel involved in the match that's taking place, at least that's what I personally was looking for when I started this project.

    Also understand the frustration of having a player in your team whose points don't help your rank, but it's always a part of a game that has captaincy.

    At the end of the day, I am glad that LiveFPL assisted even a little in pushing the boundary of understanding the mechanics of how the game works, and you can use it (or not use it) in any way you want 🙂

    1. Dynamic Duos
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Keep up the good work mate

    2. Rains of Castamere
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Legend.

    3. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      The website is brilliant and I'd say it adds a different dimension to the game now from where it was a few years ago

    4. Rassi
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      It is by far the best FPL related site.

    5. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Thanks for everything you do, Ragabolly.

      LiveFPL is great and I use it every week even though I don't like to check my rank in real time during matches. It's still an invaluable resource to quickly get a sense of your standing at the end of a day or gameweek - safety scores, template rating etc. These are features that are really lacking in FPL so it's hard to know whether you're performing well relatively rather than absolutely.

      1. Ragabolly
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Thanks a lot Camzy, I completely understand. If I wasn't constantly keeping an eye on how the site is doing, there would have been days when I would have tried to avoid looking at it 😀

    6. Diamondgeezer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      The site is great. The biggest compliment I can pay is that the official FPL site has only just started to catch up with rank updates after games this season. Who knows how many paid devs they have to work on the site and you are doing more than them as a hobby.

      1. Ragabolly
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Thank you so much :))

    7. Jambot
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      I somehow only just started using LiveFPL and I love it.Great work! I've been following your team in FPL FSS Old School league, best of luck with the rest of the season!

      1. Ragabolly
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Thanks a lot and glad to be part of the old school 🙂

    8. Ragabolly
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Thank you all so much, I really appreciate the support LiveFPL always gets here at FFS 🙂

    9. ilikewud
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      I don't know how this conversation started but there isn't a point to knowing your current gw or overall rank because you can't change it. The only thing that matters is the final gw rank and FPL provides that.

    10. fusen
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Along your final line - it's just nice for people who like underlying numbers and data.

      All of the information is out there and public, but wasn't pulled into a single accessible place.

      The FPL site, even today, barely scratches the service of what information it shows. I'm still somewhat amazed there isn't a proper 'match view' other showing all players points in that fixture. Absolute basic data that people find useful but the official site tries to stay as (dumb)/simple as possible.

      I may be biased but I'll always be in favour of sites or tools that publicly open up data that previously was hard to get at.

    11. Firminooooo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Love all the information I get from your website. Keep up the good work.

  12. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Why use an image of Anchelotti? turncoat manager who disrespected Everton and English football.

    1. Skonto Rigga
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Because he was in our image library holding a phone.

      1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        I saw a Ronaldo image from 2008 used the other day too. Come on guys pay for some new images.

        1. Pat Bonner
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          You seem to get upset quite easily

          1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
            • 3 Years
            2 years, 2 months ago

            You seem to comment a lot on my posts too. We agreed you'd not bother anymore.

            #obsessed.

        2. Westfield Irons ⭐️
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          New images? How does that help your FPL team?
          Investing spare cash on developing the site and salaries get's my vote.

          1. Baps hunter
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            2 years, 2 months ago

            No-one serious here gives a damn about pictures. No point to waste time of them just to please extremely few people who are always unhappy with them anyway. Content and positive attitude is all that matters 🙂

    2. The Mentaculus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Ah come on, that tongue-out squint is kinda funny even (or especially?) if you dont like him

    3. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      he got an offer difficult to turn down tbf just won another trophy too

  13. Dynamic Duos
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Did Wolves think they was signing Coutinho? Lol

    1. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      no

    2. Zimo
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      What's there to lol at? He's at a team 8 points below them. Wolves isn't out of the realm of possibility.

  14. winchester
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    good day lads. have 1ft and 4.5m itb. What moves should be done, at deadline? cheers!

    ddg
    taa - cancelo - reguilon
    bernardo - jota - bowen - bruno
    antonio - watkins - dennis

    (foster - saka - keane - livra)

    a) bernardo -> foden?
    b) keane -> digne?
    something else?

    1. billydesmond
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      your team looks good. carry the transfer unless there is a DGW fixture

  15. GoonerGirl
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    My team:
    De Gea
    TAA Cancelo Cash Dawson Livra
    Gray Bowen Jota BSilva Son
    Ronaldo Dennis Antonio

    Thoughts on:

    Son>KDB
    Gray>Ramsey -4 or will Ramsey be dropped because of Coutinho?

    1. Kloppage Time
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Could be worth hanging onto Son, he could be back after the break and Spurs have all those doubles.

    2. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Could be a save for me. You might want Son back next week. If a DGW then Gray to Raphinha or even Bsilva to Raphinha

      1. GoonerGirl
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Great, thanks guys.

  16. Jafooli
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Time to play my WC?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8EAxHFhBteY

    1. JBG
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      I always forget how random and weird youtube really is, until I watch these kind of videos.
      Mostly cause I live in my own "youtube bubble" with my gaming videos, FPL videos and sports videos.

  17. Atimis
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    How it sounds if we won't have DGW?

    Alonso Gray/Martinelli to BWilliams KDB -4.

    Foster
    TAA/Cancelo/BWilliams
    KDB/Jota/Maddison/Bowen
    Ronaldo/Antonio/Dennis

    DDG/(Gray or Martinelli)/Coufal/Duffy

  18. Nate(U)dog(ie)
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    https://mobile.twitter.com/insider_fpl/status/1483809591595053062

    Looks like Maguire has deleted his FPL team, guessing he got in trouble

    1. TheDragon
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Probably raging after his transfer in of Lukaku blanked and he knows Ronaldo will haul tonight

    2. JONALDINHO
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Do people really think Aston Villa staff saw that Maguire transferred out Ronaldo and decided to plan for not playing against him? Seems harsh on Maguire

    3. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      He's obviously terrible at it anyway coz he has Maguire in his team

      1. No Kane No Gain
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Lol

  19. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Let's all gang up on DavidBigWillie day today I see.

    Pat Bonner you are a donkey, Mods I expect more from you.

  20. Siva Mohan
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Ronaldo out of tonight's game?

    1. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      who knows. Lots of speculation suggesting he didnt travel with squad even though he was named in squad. The daily mail and S*n said he didnt travel and wont play. Not sure how reliable they are in this case

      1. Siva Mohan
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        oh, thank you .. must be traveling in his chartered flight

      2. Drop Dead Tsimikas
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Fingers crossed. Already w@nked my captain, but Ramsey first on bench...

  21. Nate(U)dog(ie)
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    https://theathletic.com/news/premier-league-considering-changing-covid-19-postponement-rules/qzsk4nWG8ICc/

    PL will consider changing the rules regarding match postponements after this weekend's fixtures.

    "The Premier League is ready to reconsider its rules on postponing fixtures after this weekend’s matches, The Athletic understands.

    It is believed a Premier League meeting will be called after the next round of fixtures for clubs to discuss how the rules should change, following weeks of controversy around rescheduled matches.

    Following this round of games, the 23rd of the season, the Premier League enters a short winter break until February 8.

    It’s hoped that the two-and-a-half-week break will give adequate time for the new rules to be decided and come into effect."

    1. Arteta
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Oh yeah, finally!

  22. Rednev1983
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Sory if this has been covered previously but what does everyone think regarding Reguilon getting minutes tonight? The BBC sports website say he unlikely to play but FPL does not show him flagged so is he really injured? or is it to do with falling out with him or not liking him down the left?.Some of my mini league rivals have him but have the likes of Cancelo 1st on bench to replace him?

    1. Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      When I was just a little spur, I asked Conte what will I be. Will I be LB? Will I be benched? Here’s what he said to me…

      1. Rednev1983
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Thanks for the shitty ditty my friend.

  23. Henryyy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Bruno to Foden 1FT

    Yay or nay?

    Cheers

    1. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      may as well get KDB?

  24. Best replacements for Chelsea defenders
    Scrumper
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Been doing some thinking on who are the best potential replacements for Chelsea defenders. Gonna assume everyone has TAA and Cancelo - question is, who should take the other 3 potential spots?

    Villa/Digne - Pro: Attacking threat in a team that uses attacking fullbacks. Villa have games in hand, a decent fixture run. Cons: will Villa actually start keeping clean sheets? Is Digne nailed?

    Spurs/Reguillion - Pro: Attacking threat in a team that uses attacking fullbacks. Spurs have games in hand, mixed fixture run. Spurs defence have been tight under Conte. Con: Is he back in regular contention?

    Liverpool/Robertson: Pro: Attacking threat in a team with (one of) the best attacks in the league and good defensive stats. Cons: price and blocks a Liverpool spot (assuming everyone has TAA and Salah).

    Wolves/Ait Noiri - Pro: Dirt cheap, attacking, Wolves tight defence. Con: Wolves generally low scoring attack, and is he definitely nailed? Mixed bag of fixtures to come.

    Brighton/Lamptey - Pro: Cheap, attacking, Brighton decent defence. Con: Rotation, Brighton low scoring. Brighton have a blank on the horizon but good fixtures after that.

    City Defenders: Assuming everyone has Cancelo, you are talking about Dias or Laporte, so relying on cleansheets primarily from the league's best defence. Good fixtures, but no games in hand and chances of rotation increasing as the league gets more secure and cups progress.

    Chelsea Defenders: Chelsea have two blanks to come, but fantastic fixtures to follow. Will they tighten their defence back up and perhaps the best decision to use your bench for now and hold.

    Interested to hear your thoughts, what will your defence be looking like over the coming weeks?

    1. Scrumper
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      FWIW I'm going
      TAA, Robbo, Cancelo, Dias (?)

      Torn between Reguillion/Digne for 5 man Def, or Lamptey/Ait Nori for first sub.

      1. No Professionals
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Problem is it will be very hard to get a premium attacker other than salah in with that structure.

        Might not want anymore than that where we stand now, but things will change quickly.

        1. Scrumper
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          Yeah, I am resigned to one premium attacker (Salah) with my huge at the back approach. But I just don't see the premium mids massively outscoring the £6-8mill options right now. And I abandoned hope with premium FWDs long ago. You're right though, the winds would change v soon.

          1. No Professionals
            • 6 Years
            2 years, 2 months ago

            for me it is Salah and son when both back, can probably get both in with a 4-5-1 cheap striker (and that defence), due to the value in midfield.

            1. Scrumper
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              2 years, 2 months ago

              Yeah, I agree. This is probably what I'll aim for.

    2. JONALDINHO
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      If Jota is rotated with Firmino once Salah / Mane are back then Trent, Robbo and Cancelo will be a very popular back 3. Could move early to that for GW24 too

      1. Scrumper
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        I agree, that's why I've gone Robbo early. Jota is dead to me as an asset once Salah is back

    3. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      In isolation, ignoring cost and team structure, it's probably Robertson then Laporte.

      1. Scrumper
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Also agree. Though I went Dias. Hoping his price is justified by being slightly more nailed than Laporte. If not then it's a waste of cash.

    4. No Kane No Gain
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Digne is nailed as they come

      1. Scrumper
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Fair point. I just can't quite get comfy with the chances of Villa starting to rack up clean sheets... For me a defender HAS to have clean sheets to be an option...

    5. Arteta
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Alexander-Arnold, Cancelo, Cucurella (until GW29). I'm also gonna replace Coufal or Reguilon with Digne soon.

    6. The Mentaculus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Been thinking about this too as Im about to replace Alonso, Reguilon (& maybe Cash) on WC. For me Robertson seems by far the most attractive 3rd def atm. The only other defences I really trust for consistent CSs are City, Wolves and Arsenal. Laporte seems a decent option but if WCing I'd have KDB & Sterling (at least temporarily) & also aim to strip back City assets to Cancelo only in a few weeks. So Ait Nouri is defintely my 4th. Otherwise, I mainly want Tierney to complete the set-and-forget backline (and might just try to make it work around blanks since Im FHing in BGW27) but may consider Cash/Digne as a short-term filler.

      1. Scrumper
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Agree on Arsenal defence. Didn't consider them because I have Ramsdale (with DDG as cover for the blanks, then ditch).
        Think I'm narrowing down to Ait Nori as long term option. Just need to decide whether Digne is worth a short term shuffle. Probably not.

    7. Scrumper
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Hulked! Thanks Mods. I can now tick off 'post a hot topic on FFS' from my lockdown bucket list. (Such is the exciting life I live right now) (-:

  25. Mufc202020
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Can anyone who watched the Newcastle vs Watford game tell me whether King or Dennis was leading the line in the central role. Have watched a few of their games before and it seems like it was King but then Dennis occupied it the most recent time I watched.

    Thanks

    1. DLLM
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Dennis was at the wing most of the time

    2. Rains of Castamere
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      From left to right...

      Joao Pedro - King - Dennis

  26. Arteta
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    I'm still waiting for Neville and Carragher rant at Dyche and Burnley. They were so loud the other day. Muppets.

    1. DARK SIDE OF THE LOON
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Biggest idiots on television.

    2. Rains of Castamere
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Arsenal had one Covid case didn't they? I thought the criticism was fair enough, and it actually seemed to be directed more at the Premier League rules than the clubs.

      1. Arteta
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Apparently yes, and Burnley have two I heard. Whenever someone says "this is not about Arsenal", it so is. Gary also added: "This is not a dig at Arsenal. I should have spoken about this weeks ago." Why didn't he then? When was the perfect timing for it? Of course he suddenly decided to open his mouth when specific club asked for a postponement.

        Both hate Arsenal, they can't hold back and will take every opportunity to s**t on us. Not all pundits are as professional and objective as they should be.

    3. Qaiss
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Neville won’t because Burnley can’t beat United to top 4. And Carragher is just Carragher, a spiteful person.

  27. Ronnies
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Which is the better transfer;

    A) Alonso > Laporte
    B) Mount > Raphinha

    Cheers.

    1. KEN YA DIG IT
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      A

    2. Firmino
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      B, Chelsea have a good chance for CS against Spurs

      1. No Professionals
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        they've had a lot of good chances recently.

        for me you keep alonso for attacking returns at the min.

  28. Drop Dead Tsimikas
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Thoughts on this WC team? Not doing it yet, but thinking about post-AFCON, assuming prices hold. Bench is weak, but that's the problem with having a low TV 🙁

    De Gea
    Robbo - TAA - Cancelo - Coady
    Salah - Son - KdB - Odegaard
    Dennis - Pukki

    Steer, Ramsey, Amartey, Gelhardt

    Could drop De Gea down and upgrade Odegaard to Gallagher if that makes sense.

    1. Eze Really?
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Gamble on Ait Nouri and find someone for Odegaard. Pukki No go for me.

      1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        The other alternative is going off Robbo and having Tsimi instead of Amartey as a backup (he costs even less than Amartey). Might be able to afford ASM then.

    2. The Mentaculus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Looks to me like your budget is too stretched by triple premium mids. How about KDB for 4 GW or so (while Son, even if fit, would be up against tough defences in che WOL mci) then switch to Son?

  29. KEN YA DIG IT
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    Lots of kids on this forum nowadays

    1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      Make sure you stand on your lawn and yell for them to get off it, then.

      1. KEN YA DIG IT
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        Calm down pal

        1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
          • 12 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          Calm as a coma.

      2. Eze Really?
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        I hear you but the comment is a bit OTT

        1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
          • 12 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          Nah.

    2. Firminooooo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      How do you know they are kids? Maybe just young at heart or write childish because they are from another country. I am 48 years old.

  30. aidmata
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 2 months ago

    For those debating whether or not Ronaldo is in the squad today - MEN did link a photograph supposedly showing him being driven into the airport:-

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-united-squad-vs-brentford-22794875

    You cannot actually see Ronaldo himself in the photograph but the car and driver seems consistent with other instances where he has been driven such as the following:-

    https://oicanadian.com/the-particular-decision-that-cristiano-ronaldo-made-to-protect-his-family-chronicle/

    Anyway I guess we'll all just need to wait and see once the lineups are announced!

    1. Eze Really?
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 2 months ago

      I ask which airport? Smile

      1. aidmata
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 2 months ago

        MEN photograph suggests Manchester Airport along with the rest of the squad

        1. Eze Really?
          • 9 Years
          2 years, 2 months ago

          I was hoping he was going to Timbuktu