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Which FPL assets played the most minutes in 2021/22?

While the Premier League Christmas schedule looks more forgiving in 2022/23, the Autumn calendar appears more congested.

Between Gameweeks 4 and 15, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur will play Premier League and/or Champions League football twice a week, every week, except during the September international break.

Premier League managers will also be allowed to make five substitutions per game, two more than what we are used to seeing, which provides an added challenge for Fantasy bosses.

So, with rest and rotation perhaps biting harder and earlier in 2022/23, here we take a look at which players played the most minutes last season.


For only the third Premier League season ever, no outfield player managed to play every single minute of the 2021/22 campaign.

However, some came very close, as detailed below.

NameTeamMinutes
Matty CashAston Villa3378
Conor CoadyWolverhampton Wanderers3362
Pontus JanssonBrentford3321
Teemu PukkiNorwich City3258
Harry KaneTottenham Hotspur3236
Joao CanceloManchester City3227
Marc GuehiCrystal Palace3223
Moussa SissokoWatford3221
James Ward-ProwseSouthampton3215
Pierre-Emile HojbjergTottenham Hotspur3196

Aston Villa right-back Matty Cash only missed 42 minutes of Premier League action all season, while Wolverhampton Wanderers’ Conor Coady was just 58 minutes short.

In addition, the duo were the only outfield players to start all 38 Premier League matches.

NameTeamStarts
Matty CashAston Villa38
Conor CoadyWolverhampton Wanderers38
Pontus JanssonBrentford37
Teemu PukkiNorwich City37
Harry KaneTottenham Hotspur36
Joao CanceloManchester City36
Marc GuehiCrystal Palace36
Moussa SissokoWatford36
James Ward-ProwseSouthampton36
Pierre-Emile HojbjergTottenham Hotspur36
Bukayo SakaArsenal36

Meanwhile, the ability of the big clubs to rotate their star-studded squads meant that only four players from the traditional ‘big six’ feature on the above lists – Harry Kane, Joao Cancelo, Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg and Bukayo Saka – as they each racked up an impressive 36 Premier League starts.

A club-by-club breakdown is below, with the top few performers in each category included.

ClubMost minutes playedMost starts
ArsenalGabriel (3065), Saka (3001), White (2880)Saka (36), Gabriel (35), White, Odegaard (32)
Aston VillaCash (3378), Mings (3192), McGinn (3091)Cash (38), Mings, McGinn (35)
BrentfordJansson (3321), Norgaard (3056), Mbeumo (2915)Jansson (37), Norgaard (35), Mbeumo (34)
Brighton and Hove AlbionCucurella (3091), Veltman (2883), Trossard (2816)Cucurella (35), Veltman (33), Trossard (32)
BurnleyMcNeil (3126), Tarkowski (3107), Brownhill (2964)McNeil, Tarkowski (35), Brownhill (32)
ChelseaRudiger (3035), Thiago Silva (2673), Mount (2391)Rudiger (34), Thiago Silva (28), Mount (27)
Crystal PalaceGuehi (3223), Mitchell (3107), Andersen (2924)Guehi (36), Mitchell (35), Gallagher (33)
EvertonKeane (2796), Coleman (2656), Doucoure (2542)Keane (31), Coleman (30), Doucoure (29)
Leeds UnitedRaphinha (2925), Dallas (2920), Harrison (2664)Raphinha, Dallas (34), Harrison (32)
Leicester CityTielemans (2646), Soyuncu (2497), Maddison (2496)Tielemans (29), Soyuncu, Maddison (28)
Liverpoolvan Dijk (3060), Alexander-Arnold (2854), Mane (2830)van Dijk (34), Alexander-Arnold, Mane (32)
Manchester CityCancelo (3227), Rodri (2885), Bernardo Silva (2865)Cancelo (36), Rodri, Bernardo Silva, Laporte (33)
Manchester UnitedFernandes (3122), Maguire (2521), Ronaldo (2476)Fernandes (35), Maguire, McTominay (28)
Newcastle UnitedSaint-Maximin (2836), Joelinton (2590), Schar (2161)Saint-Maximin (31), Joelinton (30), Schar (25)
Norwich CityPukki (3258), Hanley (2987), Aarons (2892)Pukki (37), Hanley (33), Aarons (32)
SouthamptonWard-Prowse (3215), Salisu (2980), Romeu (2901)Ward-Prowse (36), Romeu (34), Salisu (33)
Tottenham HotspurKane (3236), Hojbjerg (3196), Dier (3072)Kane, Hojbjerg (36), Dier, Son (35)
WatfordSissoko (3221), Dennis (2597), Cathcart (2417)Sissoko (36), Dennis (30), Cathcart, King (27)
West Ham UnitedRice (3183), Soucek (3068), Bowen (3000)Rice (35), Soucek, Bowen, Antonio (34)
Wolverhampton WanderersCoady (3362), Moutinho (2982), Saiss (2706)Coady (38), Moutinho (34), Neves, Saiss (31)

* Outfield players only

Saka, Raphinha, Bruno Fernandes, James Ward-Prowse, Son Heung-min and Kane are some of the more Fantasy relevant names to appear in the midfield and forward positions, along with Jarrod Bowen and Michail Antonio.

The West Ham United duo racked up an impressive 34 Premier League starts each, despite a demanding Europa League campaign that saw the Hammers reach the last four. In fact, across the season, it’s worth noting that David Moyes kept the most settled Premier League starting XI, making just 1.6 changes on average per match.

At Leicester City, we should see improvement in the above numbers next term with the Foxes free from any European distractions.

Marc Guehi, meanwhile, needed no time to settle at Crystal Palace, racking up 3223 minutes in 36 starts, while it’s no surprise that Coady tops the chart for minutes played at Wolves after missing just one game since they returned to the Premier League in 2018/19.

Naturally, all of this analysis comes with the caveat that we are entering into unknown territory next season.

However, it’s clear that rotation could be rife both during games and between them in 2022/23, especially at the top teams competing in Europe, so which players do you think stand the best chance of not only starting but finishing them?


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  1. Andy_Social
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    5 days, 19 hours ago

    Just noticed the FPL team of the season above here - my draft has all of TWO of them!

    1. Brimble82
      • 3 Years
      5 days, 19 hours ago

      Slim pickings - I'm at a whopping 4!

    2. bitm2007
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 days, 19 hours ago

      Selected with no budget restraints.

      1. bitm2007
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 days, 19 hours ago

        I'll probably have 4.

    3. Brimble82
      • 3 Years
      5 days, 19 hours ago

      I did some maths this morning Andy - and as our thinking seems similar, I thought you might appreciate it.
      Looking at the;
      - 541 formation
      - big at the back
      - Haaland up top
      - spread of 'mid-range MIDs' (6-8m)

      I looked at what their score would be based on last season's points and then compared it against a team with the most popular big three premiums of Haaland/Salah/Son.

      As both included Haaland, I ignored his potential points for both teams. And where my draft included Kulu - I took his points per match total and extrapolated it across 38 games (big assumption I know).
      I didn't include captain scores or chip potential (as both have weak benches anyway).
      And I structured the HSS team as follows using Raga's pricing prediction:
      Top scoring (TS) 4.5G GK
      TAA/Cancelo/(TS) 5.0/(TS) 4.5/(2ndTS)4.5
      Salah/Son/(TS) 6.5/(TS) 6.0
      Haaland
      Bench fodder
      (There's also an assumption that you would choose the 'top scoring' at each of the price points)

      Now I realise that there are many ways to skin a cat, but... the Haaland only draft came out 45 points higher.

      My take away from this is twofold;
      1. We don't need to fear not owning Salah/Son if you can effectively invest the money elsewhere.
      2. I really need to stop faffing around here and start doing the job I'm supposedly paid for!

      Hope you find it moderately interesting.

      1. bitm2007
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 days, 19 hours ago

        45 points higher before captains, that could easily be made up by having 3 premium captain options to 1.

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          5 days, 19 hours ago

          But would it? You'd have to find the money for 3 premiums, and that would be at the expense of the value-midfielders, wouldn't it?

          1. bitm2007
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            5 days, 19 hours ago

            Hasn't that already been taken into account in BRIMBLES82's calculations?

            1. Brimble82
              • 3 Years
              5 days, 19 hours ago

              I'd say it has already been taken into account yes.
              But, I'd also say to your previous point...

              Having three premium options, doesn't mean you always choose the right one!
              At the tail end of last season, I owned both Salah & KDB.
              I kept captaining Salah, and he kept blanking, whilst KDB outscored him.

              Yes, you cannot argue, having more premiums gives you more captiancy options, but... it doesn't mean we will make the right choice.

      2. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        5 days, 19 hours ago

        Definitely find it interesting cheers.

        When you say 'big at the back', do you mean the literal top scorers (or 5 of the top 6 as 4 are Liverpool), or do you include a rotating pair of 4.5s?
        You can predict four premiums from Liverpool and City will score high, whereas we have no idea who the best 4.5s will be, and they're likely to be streaky rather than consistent. I'm going with 4 from City/Pool and Cash - he'll be a steady-eddie playing 90mins every game while the fun wingbacks spin around the carousel. I also spotted that in games where I might want to drop him, 5m Kovacic partners nicely. The intention is to set-and-forget the 5 defenders and have them accumulate points over the season, sitting out the inevitable rests.

        1. Brimble82
          • 3 Years
          5 days, 19 hours ago

          So I went with TAA/Robbo/VVD/Cancelo/Laporte - as you say - the top scoring 'feasible' 5.
          My draft has that but with Dias over Laporte.
          I think the past seasons have shown that the points are there consistently, and I fully agree that trying to find the 'gold' in the 4.5 DEFs is a minefield.

          It sounds like our early strategies (as you said, at least until 4pm on Sat 6th Aug) are similar.
          I'm looking to lock in my defence for as long as possible.
          I'm considering going quite aggressive with my MIDs though, watching all the transfer gossip with much interest!

          Ready for the game to start now.

          1. RedLightning
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 11 Years
            5 days, 17 hours ago

            The first match in GW1 is Crystal Palace v Arsenal at 8pm on Friday 5th August.

            1. Brimble82
              • 3 Years
              5 days, 12 hours ago

              Thanks RL. I know that.
              Andy and I said in a previous thread that we were happy with our plan... at least until half-way through the first GW.

              Hence my reference to 4pm Sat 6th - when the main Sat afternoon games will be halfway through - get it?

        2. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          5 days, 19 hours ago

          So this is what I've got from LiveFPL - same you?

          Raya, 4m
          TAA, Cancelo, Dier, Anderson, Jansson
          Salah, Son, Odegaard, Rodri, 4.5
          Haaland, 4.5, 4.5

          Looks alright, that.

          1. Brimble82
            • 3 Years
            5 days, 18 hours ago

            Sanchez not Raya
            Coady not Dier
            Gallagher not Odegaard

            But yeah, the general concept is the same.

            1. Andy_Social
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              5 days, 18 hours ago

              Sanchez and Coady are good, but Gallagher will suffer from rotation at Chelsea.

              1. Brimble82
                • 3 Years
                5 days, 18 hours ago

                Yeah, just to be clear - I only went with the above players to see what the 'highest possible' score was based on last season.
                I definitely don't see Gallagher being the force he was last season at Palace.

                As for my starting 4.5
                I liked Raya at the start of last season, but I fear the '2nd season effect' on Brentford. Whereas Brighton finished the season really well. If they lose Cucurella that will be a shame, but I'm quite happy looking at a classic Brigthon 1-2 in my GK berths (even despite a tricky GW1 fixture)

                1. Andy_Social
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  5 days, 18 hours ago

                  I do expect Sanchez to be 5m though. Raya will only be 4.5 cos he was out injured for so long.

          2. Chilli Heatwave
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            5 days, 17 hours ago

            Seeing this is making me reconsider and going 541, such good value at the back and forwards always tend to blow cold.

            1. Brimble82
              • 3 Years
              5 days, 17 hours ago

              Join us!
              https://tinyurl.com/bdhkbm58

            2. Zim0
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              5 days, 17 hours ago

              Yes u gotta have at least 4. 5-4-1 and 4-5-1 the best formations unless they've reduced the fwd prices overall.

              1. RedLightning
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 11 Years
                5 days, 17 hours ago

                We don't even know yet whether the squad formation will still be 5-5-3.
                There is a (remote?) possibility that they might change the squad formation to 5-4-4 and that a number of the highest scoring midfielders become forwards, in which case formations such as 4-2-4 would become possible.

                1. Zim0
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 3 Years
                  5 days, 17 hours ago

                  5 at the back will become even more important in that case. Why would u want 4 of the low scoring position players who are bound to be so expensive.

                  1. RedLightning
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                    • 11 Years
                    5 days, 16 hours ago

                    The forwards might no longer be the lowest scoring position.
                    They new forwards could include Salah, Son, Bowen, Kulusevski, Sterling, Jota, Luis Diaz, Foden, Zaha and Raphinha (as well as Haaland, Kane etc).

                    1. RedLightning
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • Has Moderation Rights
                      • 11 Years
                      5 days, 16 hours ago

                      .. and they might be less expensive as forwards than they currently are as midfielders.

                      1. No Professionals
                        • 4 Years
                        5 days, 15 hours ago

                        they aren't changing people like salah and son, they've indicated so in a tweet about which midfielders you'll go for this season.

                      2. RedLightning
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                        • 11 Years
                        5 days, 15 hours ago

                        The tweets may be based on last season's classifications by people who are not in the independent team implementing changes for next season.

                      3. Zim0
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 3 Years
                        5 days, 15 hours ago

                        Then there aren't any mids left to choose. That would ruin the game. I don't think it's happening.

                      4. Zim0
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 3 Years
                        5 days, 15 hours ago

                        It'll just go to 5-1-4 then instead of 5-4-1.

                      5. RedLightning
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                        • 11 Years
                        5 days, 15 hours ago

                        KDB, Mount, Maddison, Saka, Gundogan, Ward-Prowse, Barnes, Bruno Fernandes, Trossard, Guimaraes, Eriksen, Smith Rowe, Jorginho, Odegaard, Mbeumo and others would still be mids.

                      6. RedLightning
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • Has Moderation Rights
                        • 11 Years
                        5 days, 15 hours ago

                        5-1-4 might be a possibility, unless they insist on including at least two mids.
                        Most players are likely to score fewer points as forwards than they did as mids, but the balance between mids and forwards would probably be more even than it has been recently.

                      7. Zim0
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 3 Years
                        5 days, 15 hours ago

                        Saka should move to fwd as well. Most of the players u listed aren't really good prospects. Only KDB Mount Maddison worth considering.

                      8. RedLightning
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                        • 11 Years
                        5 days, 14 hours ago

                        Kulusevski, Sterling and Saka can play as Wingers or Midfielders, so could be either Forwards or Mids.

                        Foden should still be a Midfielder.

                        My other suggested forwards are Forwards and/or Wingers.

                        So my revised list is:
                        Forwards: Salah, Son, Bowen, Jota, Luis Diaz, Zaha and Raphinha
                        Forwards or Midfielders: Kulusevski, Sterling, Saka
                        Midfielders: KDB, Mount, Maddison, Foden, Gundogan, Ward-Prowse, Barnes, Bruno Fernandes, Trossard, Guimaraes, Eriksen, Smith Rowe, Jorginho, Odegaard, Mbeumo

                      9. RedLightning
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                        • 11 Years
                        5 days, 14 hours ago

                        Mahrez, Benrahma and Martinelli would also be new forwards.

                      10. Zim0
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 3 Years
                        5 days, 13 hours ago

                        Sure hope Saka and Kulu are mids. They're locked in my team. I can go with 5-3-2 with Salah Haaland up front if it comes to it.

                2. Brimble82
                  • 3 Years
                  5 days, 12 hours ago

                  Is there actually any evidence to back this?
                  Or is it just the age old speculation over 'what makes a forward a forward?'

                  I'd be really surprised if that was the change they chose to make.
                  Whether we like it or not, it's a game for the masses now - putting 4 fwd positions in place could make it very challenging financially.

                  1. RedLightning
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                    • 11 Years
                    5 days, 9 hours ago

                    It was a suggestion originally made by Giggs Boson three weeks ago in a reply to Camzy's hot topic about how forwards could be made better options.
                    .
                    "The game was designed with a 442 in mind, hence the squad size being a 553.
                    So I think the game needs to reflect the tactical shift to a 433, and give us a squad size of 544. Then you can put all the wide forwards like Salah, Son, Bowen, Mane etc as forwards, and the midfielders would be filled by players like KDB, Bruno, Mount, Maddison, JWP, Coutinho, Gallagher etc. It think it would create a lot of variation between teams."

                    We know that FPL Towers sometimes pick up ideas from our site, and the delay in launching suggests that they may be making some big changes - this one might just possibly be one.

                    It is already a challenge to include as many premium players as we might like in our squads, and FPL are usually pretty good at setting prices at levels that are challenging enough to keep the game interesting but not impossible.

        3. Brimble82
          • 3 Years
          5 days, 18 hours ago

          (Oh, and with my MIDs that I based my calculations on - I didn't use the 'best case scenario' of the highest scorers - I used the mids that I plan to have based on their fixtures in the 22/23 campaign)
          If you were to do the 'highest possible non-premium midfield' I would expect the difference to be more stark.

          All about big at the back!

          1. Andy_Social
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            5 days, 18 hours ago

            It is, yeh. Using your formula in the above draft, I don't like the 4.5 def combo and having to start either both or a 4.5 mid/fwd. I think I prefer my Big 4 Def draft, even with just the sole premium in Haaland.

            Told you it was fun, though!

            1. Brimble82
              • 3 Years
              5 days, 18 hours ago

              The planning is fun... the watching games and hoping goals don't go in against your defence... less fun!

              But yeah, I'm looking forward to trying this draft out.
              I'm also quite looking forward to taking a bit of the 'pressure' off of having to figure out transfer plan and strategy.
              I might aim for my lowest hits/transfer total ever this year!
              (And probably couple that with my lowest points total for years too!!!)

              1. Andy_Social
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                5 days, 18 hours ago

                Ha ha, totally the same. I always go overboard with hit - swear to keep them under control this time!

                1. Brimble82
                  • 3 Years
                  5 days, 18 hours ago

                  I'll be ready to set up a support group on Sunday 7th!

      3. TheTinman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        5 days, 18 hours ago

        It's interesting, thanks for sharing.

        Big at the back turned my season around last year, I'm probably going to go for it again to start off with

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          5 days, 18 hours ago

          It's my philosophy, but others will tell you it's inflexible and better done later on in the season once you've built up TV.

          1. The-Red-1
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            5 days, 16 hours ago

            Big at the back draft on FPL Team (so no idea if this will be possible or not):

            Sanchez (Steele)
            Trent VVD Rob Cancelo Dias
            Kulu Odegard Mount Guimaraes (Eriksen)
            Haaland (Welbeck Gelhardt)

            0.5itb

            No Salah, but obviously no space with 3 defenders
            No Son, but does have Kulu
            Unsure about bench but should get some points if required

            1. Brimble82
              • 3 Years
              5 days, 12 hours ago

              This is close to what I@m playing with for FPL.

      4. fusen
        • 10 Years
        5 days, 16 hours ago

        Strange lack of either Chilwell or James in this.

        1. Brimble82
          • 3 Years
          5 days, 12 hours ago

          I am less trusting of Chelsea's defence until I see how they replace their CBs.
          Can easily switch one in if desired.

  2. pundit of punts
    • 9 Years
    5 days, 19 hours ago

    Loving this one now 🙂

    Raya - Caballero
    TAA - Cancelo - James - Jonny - Chambers
    Salah - Saka - Neto - Gray - Colback
    EBH - Watkins - Gelhardt

    1. bitm2007
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 days, 19 hours ago

      Looks good. No Spurs for opening game would be my main concern but you can't have everybody.

    2. Athletic Nasherbo
      • 5 Years
      5 days, 19 hours ago

      Jonny - need to monitor as competing with Semedo and Ait-Nouri.

      Gray - didn’t start under Lampard, so monitor also.

      Gelhardt will most likely be 5.0m. Not sure currently if that’s justified with such limited budget. Chambers won’t be 4.0

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        5 days, 18 hours ago

        Semedo's on the right, but AIN will be slugging it out with Jonny on the left.
        I'd take Gelhardt for 5m - regular impact sub.
        The rest I agree with you.

    3. The Knights Template
      • 8 Years
      5 days, 18 hours ago

      I’m loving the next one!

  3. Bavarian
    • 4 Years
    5 days, 19 hours ago

    First trial on LiveFPL

    Sanchez
    TAA-Cancelo-Chilwell-Coady
    Diaz-Bowen-Maddison-Kulusevski
    Haaland-Mitrovic

    1. Bavarian
      • 4 Years
      5 days, 19 hours ago

      Saka instead of Maddison

    2. Fish up a tree
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      5 days, 18 hours ago

      Looks good but tough fixtures to start for Whu & Ful

    3. Athletic Nasherbo
      • 5 Years
      5 days, 18 hours ago

      I like it. I think Gameweek One won’t be ideal, but after that you’ll be catching up and surpassing. I really like this. Obviously Salah omission is big but you’ve actively decided on that and I respect it. I do think Haaland explodes early doors. All the city players are really excited with his transfer, and the fixtures are perfect.

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        5 days, 18 hours ago

        "Haaland explodes early doors"

        Somehow, I read that in a Michael Caine accent ;-0

        1. Athletic Nasherbo
          • 5 Years
          5 days, 17 hours ago

  4. Fish up a tree
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 1 Year
    5 days, 18 hours ago

    Here we go!

    Fofana & Saliba could be steals at 4.5

    Raya 4
    Robbo Cancelo Chilwell Saliba Fofana
    Son Diaz Martinelli Aaronson 4.5
    Haaland Jesus 4.5

    Any glaring omissions aside from Salah but I fancy Diaz to explode this season

    1. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 days, 18 hours ago

      Exciting forward line up, there.
      Will Saliba be nailed? Same with Martinelli and Aaronson - you could have too many 1-point cameos or sub on your 4.5s.

      1. Fish up a tree
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        5 days, 18 hours ago

        Martinelli could be Ode or even Vieira but preseason will guide me there
        Saliba just won young player of season in France @ Marseille & is coming back to play. He is quality & I can see him getting Ben Whites spot.

        Leeds spent 20+ mil on Aaronson & I expect him to start & from what I have seen of him he looks very technical & has goals & assists in him.

        Again preseason will tell us more.

        I am trying to find the cheapies from the off to give the rest of my team as much clout as possible & Sailiba, Aaronson, Fofana & Martinelli are currently top of my list!

    2. The Knights Template
      • 8 Years
      5 days, 18 hours ago

      Where is Gelhardt of Riviera, the Leeds Witcher?

    3. TheTinman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      5 days, 18 hours ago

      Saliba is high risk low reward

    4. Athletic Nasherbo
      • 5 Years
      5 days, 18 hours ago

      I’ve been championing Fofana too. This time two years ago everyone wanted him, and because of last season he will be 4.5m. It’s no coincidence Leicester improved when Fofana was back, absolutely pivotal. Leicester fixtures aren’t the best so I think he’ll need another 4.5 rotation. I’ve had a little look, and although not perfect both Wolves and Brighton rotate decently well.

      The Saliba one is interesting, but I think he’s 3rd defender until otherwise. Gabriel and White haven’t done anything to suggest they’ll be benched. Again, it’s one to monitor.

      Aaronson is intriguing. You’d like to think he starts considering the money spent. If Harrison is 5.5 (according to LiveFPL, which I doubt immensely) he’d be the one to chose.

      The glaring omission is Trent, but with Robbo it’s cushioned. I’d be slightly concerned I don’t have both Trent or Salah, but that’s because I’m taking a more cautious approach. Genuinely though, I do think they are the best assets. Diaz will be good on the eye but I’m not convinced he’s explosive just yet. Nunez might rotate with him too so probs gets 60-65 mins. I can’t see both Jota and Firmino benched and Nunez up top.

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        5 days, 18 hours ago

        Agree with all your points, but re. any Leicester defender, I'd need to be convinced they've fixed that horrendous set piece weakness. 3 or 4 games should be enough to convince me one way or the other.

        1. Athletic Nasherbo
          • 5 Years
          5 days, 17 hours ago

          Fingers crossed. Looking at bigger defenders too. Brendan will sort it, he’s usually very aware with the detail.

      2. NateDog
        • 1 Year
        5 days, 18 hours ago

        Agree about Fofana, I can't remember who posted it on Twitter but I saw a list of Leicester's xGc over the past 4 or 5 seasons and last season was a big outlier in how high it was, and their defensive injuries certainly were a big part of that, and Fofana settled into the side and league so quickly. Another thing about him is that despite what looks like a bit of a wiry frame and him not exactly being the tallest CB, he's excellent in the air and I'd expect him to pick up a few goals over the course of a full season.

  5. Zim0
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    5 days, 17 hours ago

    Minamino could be an interesting player to have at 5.5 if he leaves for another club. Hopefully a premier league one.

    1. TheTinman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      5 days, 17 hours ago

      Agree. Good shout. Think he will go abroad though

  6. TheTinman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    5 days, 17 hours ago

    Thought for the day.

    City used to prioritise goal scoring players in the wide positions Sterling, Foden, Jesus and Mahrez all have more goals than assists.

    This is obviously to spread the goals as they played without a striker.

    Now Haland has come in we might see a bit of a change. Wide players have more of a responsibility to provide for the big man. And also more incentive to play that way, you don't fling crosses in if you know nobody will be there...

    With Sterling and Jesus on the way out, one man who could see increased playing time and benefit from the slight tactical tweaks is Grealish.

    - He's always been more of an assister than goalscorer.
    - Settled in for 1 year now.
    - Time to get his head down to try and force his way into the England WC XI.
    - Should be able to play on either wing.
    - Pep always has a plan and is fairly stubborn, he won't want to have spent so much on Grealish for him to flop.

    Predicted to be priced at £7.5m he could be a steal, but of course, it's a bit of a risk.

    Haven't drafted yet or even looked at fixtures to see if I fancy the gamble, it's just a passing thought as I walk the dog.

    1. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 days, 17 hours ago

      He'll still be sharing a position with Foden. What I think is more likely is that Foden will be regularly subbed off for Grealish. He might get only half an hour, but against tired defences he could be lethal and score highly in terms of points-per-minutes.

      1. TheTinman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        5 days, 17 hours ago

        So he's kind of in that Jota bracket then. Perhaps one to watch if another player gets injured etc.

    2. Brimble82
      • 3 Years
      5 days, 17 hours ago

      Great thought - and a very well formatted comment whilst walking the dog!

      My City spots are currently occupied by Cancelo, Dias & Haaland, but I do like the theory above.

      1. TheTinman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        5 days, 17 hours ago

        Double City defence could be amazing. But also quite scary.

        Can just foresee 2 clean sheets out of 3 and the one of the clean sheets Dias is rotated for Stones.

        You never know with Pep though, he might just suddenly nail a defender into the team.

        I also think a few points of the above apply to Cancelo too, we might see more attacking end product from him this year with a proper target man in the box.

        1. Brimble82
          • 3 Years
          5 days, 12 hours ago

          Agree - I'm excited for the potential impact Haaland has on Cancelo's returns

    3. Athletic Nasherbo
      • 5 Years
      5 days, 17 hours ago

      I won’t go too much into it, partly because I can’t be bothered, but the Haaland situation doesn’t seem too dissimilar to Aguero. Analysing how they played with Aguero will be the key. Although, Haaland is more likely to run in behind.

    4. CONNERS
      • 3 Years
      5 days, 17 hours ago

      He could be worth a punt, especially with the 5 subs change meaning he'll get more game time regardless.

      With Haaland's arrival, it's also possible Pep could also switch to a 4-2-3-1 formation which would also favour Grealish's playing time over City's usual 4-3-3 setup.

    5. NateDog
      • 1 Year
      5 days, 16 hours ago

      He's one player I've said since the end of last season I think will do well and quieten the critics this time around. He looked a lot more like the Grealish at Villa in the final few weeks (taking on players, driving into the box) and he said this himself after the final day. The jump up from fighting relegation with Villa not long ago to being among CL favourites at City is big and he had to adapt to playing in a unique system. Now he'll be playing alongside a recognised CF which should help him too in terms of having someone to supply, but also someone to play off. I don't want to triple-up on City and he's a big risk but with it looking like Sterling and Jesus are both going I'm tempted to put my money where my mouth is and go for him. I'll see once the game opens up.

  7. Baines on Toast...
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    5 days, 17 hours ago

    Think I have to agree with the theory they're waiting for the Mane move to go through as it'll impact prices of Jota/Diaz/Nunez. No other reason they wouldn't have even started prices by now.

    1. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 days, 17 hours ago

      Mane leaving has been set in stone for some time. I don't think it's a factor - after all there will be plenty of transfer comings and goings over the next few weeks.
      I'm not sure there is any delay, but if there is it could be due to programming significant changes to the rules or new chips or suchlike.

      1. TheTinman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        5 days, 17 hours ago

        I think the most likely scenario is they're just late because they're late. It happens.

        Or they've decided to release slightly later this year and are on time.

        Don't think a player sale has that much to do with it. After all, the prices are the same for everyone and people will probably have 3 Liverpool players regardless

    2. Athletic Nasherbo
      • 5 Years
      5 days, 17 hours ago

      No reason to think any theory is true. I’d be surprised if we don’t see movement by Thursday, however.

      1. Baines on Toast...
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        5 days, 16 hours ago

        All fair points. If they are ever going to make significant changes it would seem to be this year after the survey they ran last year.

    3. RedLightning
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 11 Years
      5 days, 16 hours ago

      I expect a big update to remove last season's data before they start releasing prices, and they don't have to wait till they've finalised the prices before they do that update.
      I also don't expect them to start revealing prices till two or three days before the launch, as to do so any earlier would give them less scope for making any late adjustments based on players changing clubs.
      But I'm very surprised that the big update hasn't even started yet.

  8. FPL Value - part one
    Chilli Heatwave
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    5 days, 17 hours ago

    Some sums that may be of interest. Using LiveFPL pricing, if we take the top 6 players from each position classification and divide their scores by the prices individually, then take the average across the 6 players we can see in principle where the best value lies.

    GK Average 27.1
    DEF Average 26.4
    MID Average 21.4
    ST Average 16.3

    This would seems to suggest opting for the 5-4-1 is optimal. Interestingly going off just the top 6’s, the 3 players who provide the most value per price are Sa, Alison and VVD jointly. In fact, every single goalkeeper and defender out scores the mids and forwards considerably on points per cost.

    Food for thought.

    1. The Knights Template
      • 8 Years
      5 days, 17 hours ago

      I’d love one of those keyboards from Severance.

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        5 days, 17 hours ago

        WOAH! i'm reading the book by Ling Ma right now (obviously when I'm not distracted by this nonsense).

        1. The Knights Template
          • 8 Years
          5 days, 16 hours ago

          Is it any good?

          1. Andy_Social
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            5 days, 13 hours ago

            Yeah. I didn't stick with the TV show, but the book hardly bears any resemblance to it.

            1. The Knights Template
              • 8 Years
              5 days, 8 hours ago

              Cheers.

    2. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 days, 17 hours ago

      Good points.
      Price points would be interesting too - eg comparing a premium goalkeeper with cheaper ones.
      It's probable that last season was an outlier re. forwards. This season we'll have Haaland, Kane in a good mood for the whole season and probably Jesus playing regular football. We won't be stunk out by Aubamayang, Lacazette and Lukaku.

      1. Chilli Heatwave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        5 days, 17 hours ago

        It was done from the top point scoring forwards not by value so Lukaku etc. not accounted for within this post. Agree though I think Haaland will change the scenario this year.

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          5 days, 17 hours ago

          Yeah, my point is last year we only had 2 highly-scoring strikers - Kane (who was in a sulk for half of it) and Ronaldo in a dysfunctional side. I expect multiple high-scoring forwards for good teams this time, so the assumption that 5-4-1 or 4-5-1 is the way to go might not be cast-iron.

          1. Chilli Heatwave
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            5 days, 17 hours ago

            My misunderstanding, completely agree, working on the sums for the price points for the top 18 now be back to you shortly.

      2. bitm2007
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 days, 16 hours ago

        Yes, last season was a practically good one for defenders and a poor one for forwards, it would be interesting to know how the save averages would work out for previous seasons. I suspect that defenders would still come out on top but by nowhere near as much.

      3. Chilli Heatwave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        5 days, 16 hours ago

        A calculation for another time me thinks too fiddly for a quick look

    3. De has no news
      • 3 Years
      5 days, 17 hours ago

      Including Matip at 32 Points per million (PPM), Coady at 29.36 PPM
      Bowen at 28.83 PPM! He could be a one off, but his game has improved so much in 2021/22.
      🙂

      1. Chilli Heatwave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        5 days, 16 hours ago

        This is done based off their new prices not old so matip was 28.33 etc. 🙂

        1. De has no news
          • 3 Years
          5 days, 16 hours ago

          Fair play Chilli! and agreed.

          I am not putting much stock on price predictions, however I will be heavily investing in Points per million with filling up squad around my 5/6 core players that I have penned in. I am a LFC fan as you can from my name, but think Wolves will be tight this season, and hoping Coady is a bargain... 🙂

          1. Chilli Heatwave
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            5 days, 16 hours ago

            Will be opting for a similar tactic, if Coady is 5 again will likely be in my team. Also keen to see cash and digne price points.

    4. Kun Tozser
      • 6 Years
      5 days, 17 hours ago

      Hindsight though, this is last season and not a reflection of next.

      This season could well see the return of forwards, scoring more goals and reducing these clean sheets.

      The beauty of football is the unpredictability with an evolving game.

      Excited for 22/23

      1. Kun Tozser
        • 6 Years
        5 days, 17 hours ago

        Even with the new league signing and swap of promoted for relegated team, certain players are back from injury DCL, Bamford etc

      2. Chilli Heatwave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        5 days, 16 hours ago

        Completely agree if it was as simple as sums anyone could win! That’s why we love it!

      3. De has no news
        • 3 Years
        5 days, 16 hours ago

        I can't see forwards making more points than Defenders, Midfielders, not with 3 for an assists and 5/6 points for a goal for those.

        Forwards too overpriced and only 4 for a goal. Loading heavily in Def/Mid this year, cheap but effective strikers. Maybe one good one for me.

        But I am excited already.

    5. Brimble82
      • 3 Years
      5 days, 16 hours ago

      Delicious food. Gladly devoured.
      Thanks Chilli

      1. Chilli Heatwave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        5 days, 15 hours ago

        No problem 🙂

    6. WHUFCSmith23
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      5 days, 16 hours ago

      Brilliant post mate, thank you for that.

      1. Spirit of 1999
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        5 days, 15 hours ago

        What happens if Salah/Son become F? That will change the template.

        1. Chilli Heatwave
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          5 days, 15 hours ago

          Correct that will have a big impact due to point per goal etc.

      2. Chilli Heatwave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        5 days, 15 hours ago

        Glad it was useful 🙂

  9. The-Red-1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    5 days, 16 hours ago

    Posted this on the end of a post above by mistake, but what do you think of this big at the back draft, created on FPL Team (so no idea if this will be possible or not):

    Sanchez (Steele)
    Trent VVD Rob Cancelo Dias
    Kulu Odegard Mount Guimaraes (Eriksen)
    Haaland (Welbeck Gelhardt)

    0.5itb

    No Salah, but obviously no space with 3 defenders
    No Son, but does have Kulu
    Unsure about bench but should get some points if required

    1. WHUFCSmith23
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      5 days, 16 hours ago

      The only issue is see is if Haaland doesn't start well and is Grealished somewhat you will need to take 2 hits to move to Salah.

      The Liverpool defensive triple up is very restrictive seeing as you are relying on Haaland, who at this point is unknown in the Premier League. Not saying he will be bad, I assume he will score for fun. We just can't say that with confidence.

      1. The-Red-1
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        5 days, 15 hours ago

        True, I guess Haaland could become Kane if the worst happens!

    2. Emp
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      5 days, 14 hours ago

      I don't mind this draft but if I were you I would start with kane over haaland as I think saints home is a fist pump fixture and it allows you to see one game how haaland beds in. Then if he looks good jump to him cap home to bou and if not will then nothing wrong with sticking with kane and maybe capping cancelo gw2. Or doing Jesus in maybe or something like that as a differential cap. I also think the nature of your deep squad allows for planning for this luxury transfer.

  10. FPL Value - part two
    FPLGOOD
    • 2 Years
    5 days, 16 hours ago

    There have been many good points here lately about how the best value is in defence and midfiled - or even in the goalkeeper position.

    However one thing that has been overlooked (or just missed by me!) is that you should be comparing - not to the points per million directly - but to how much you can gain from the money you spend.

    To put this to context we must define what is a standard minimum what we can pretty easily expect for each position. Meaning minimum expected points per minimum money spend.

    I have defined the following values for example (you could do your own if you like, this is just for an example!). I simply looked at some random points per match stats from Official FPL.

    GK: 3.5 points per 4.5 million
    DEF: 3.5 points per 4.5 million
    MID: 2.5 points per 4.5 million
    FOR: 3.0 points per 6.0 million

    Only after this we should start looking where it is best to invest the money in.

    In my own thinking I have set the basics that for every million I spent I should get one point in return. The logic for this "1point per 1 million" rule comes from the fact that it seems pretty doable to figure out some 5.5m defenders who average 4.5points per game. (And it's also just a very simple rule to play around with...)

    From here we can already take something interesting out:

    - 6.0m Goalkeeper should average 5 points
    - 7.5m Defender should average 6.5 points
    - 8.5m Midfielder should average 6.5 points
    - 8.5m Forward should average 5.5 points*

    * With forwards I would like to point out that this actually is real only with the first forward you choose since only one forward is mandatory. So for the second or third forward you should calculate them similarly than mids in my opinion.

    Looking at last season the real gems based on this "model" were:

    ~ 6.0m Defenders averaging around 5.5 points
    ~ 6.5m Midfielders averaging around 5.5 points

    For me the most interesting thing is that by looking at the game like this you can find value almost from anywhere:

    - 4.5 Defender averaging 4.0 points
    - 4.5 Midfielder averaging 3.0 points
    - 5.0 Forward averaging 2.5 points

    And you could easily play them too! If you just manage to spend your money wisely on other departments (which may turn out to be extremely difficult to be fair...).

    Additionally on the other side of showing where the value is, we can also look at where the value is not.

    Most controversial argument is probably that for 8m Trent Alexander-Arnold would not be good value unless he achieves new hights to around 7 points per match. Instead the likes of Robertson (7.5m, 6.5p), Chilwell (6.0m, 5.5p) or even Tierney (5.5m, 5.0p) would make more sense.

    Probably more approved statement would be that it is highly unlikely to find any above 8.0m player with good value using this "model" unless you are going to consistently captain them.

    It's getting quite a long post but I would still like to point out a few things.

    Firstly, no "value for money" is good if the money is either on the bench or in the bank. It is not possible to find perfect value for every position so you must be flexible.

    Secondly, you can easily lose any advantage you achieve from this model by implementing it too aggressively. So in short: by taking too many hits...

    Thirdly, you must consider the basic game rules of course. For me this means mostly:

    - Subs do matter (have at least a weak bench..)
    - You must have an attacker (even a spare one would be nice..)
    - Captaincy do definitely matter!
    - You actually should spent the whole 100 millions most of the time... (oh I'm getting boring, please excuse me!)

    And finally, fixtures do matter a lot and you can still find even those non-captain 9m forwards for short sprints (now I'm done!).

    Hope you found this interesting, useful and nice to read. Let me know what you think 🙂

    Have a good day all and good luck to your campaign!

    1. KujaliaFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      5 days, 15 hours ago

      I like the way you think, but not, perhaps, your thresholds.

      The basline prices should be the lowest price for a viable players at that position (that is, players that will actually play).

      For keepers and defenders, this is probably 4.5, but for mids and forwards, this is probably 5 and 6 respectively. Then you will have the odd outlier (like that kid from Norwich who was 4.5 a couple of seasons ago).

      1. FPLGOOD
        • 2 Years
        5 days, 15 hours ago

        Thanks for your comment!

        I actually think you are correct and in fact I had baseline for forward at 6.0million (averaging 3.0 points).

        And actually looking at it now for midfielder it doesn't have an effect here if the baseline is 4.5m (2.5p) or 5.0m (3.0p) which in my opinion are both still pretty standard expectations for points per million.

    2. Chilli Heatwave
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      5 days, 14 hours ago

      Wonder how consistency of points has an effect on this, for example someone who meets your benchmarks every game may be good to build up your starting 5 or so who are season keepers. However for captaincy would be much more targeted and high spenders are likely to be changed around. In case of captaincy all talks of averages etc. become more mute

      1. Chilli Heatwave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        5 days, 14 hours ago

        Thanks for your thoughts!

        1. FPLGOOD
          • 2 Years
          5 days, 14 hours ago

          No problem, thanks for your comments!

          Also have been thinking this way to figure out the "season keepers" - no one just really seem to remain on my team for a whole season ever 🙂

    3. Ron_Swanson
      • 11 Years
      5 days, 14 hours ago

      Thanks for this - very interesting

      1. FPLGOOD
        • 2 Years
        5 days, 14 hours ago

        Great you liked it!

    4. Baines on Toast...
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      5 days, 14 hours ago

      Very good points. I have seen this previously called VORP for value over a replacement player. This is the main thing that everyone forgets every season when saying they’re going to go big at the back.

      1. FPLGOOD
        • 2 Years
        5 days, 14 hours ago

        Thanks for the tip - will try to find something more about that VORP! Definitely not all only my own thoughts anyway, more like been affected by many people along the years 🙂

        It's just so easy to forget what a 5m defender can do compared to a 5m mid/forward.

        Glad you liked it!

        1. Ⓙⓐⓡⓥⓘⓢⓗ
          • 7 Years
          5 days, 14 hours ago

          Old (but good) article on VORP

          https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2015/08/04/player-value-revisited/

          Look out for a poster on here called Netley Lucas too - he loves a bit of VORP.

          1. Wild Rover
            • 11 Years
            5 days, 13 hours ago

            😆

            1. Ⓙⓐⓡⓥⓘⓢⓗ
              • 7 Years
              5 days, 12 hours ago

              😉

          2. FPLGOOD
            • 2 Years
            5 days, 13 hours ago

            Thanks!

          3. FPLGOOD
            • 2 Years
            5 days, 13 hours ago

            This was actually a great read, hadn't seen it before but was more or less focused on same things than I was.

            Thanks again!

    5. Giggs Boson
      • 10 Years
      5 days, 13 hours ago

      I went deep down this rabbit hole a few years back and the conclusion I came to was that I was massively overthinking it. Doing huge amounts of analysis for very little gain.

      Precision makes no sense in a chaotic landscape, like zooming in on a blurred image. Sometimes you need to zoom out to see it for what it is.

      You just need to pick the combination of players that nets you the most points.

      A lot of these picks are obvious, so that massively simplifies, then you can weigh up different combinations for the other minor slots. Robbo & Martinelli vs Chilwell & Saka etc...

      I like to produce xPts values for players, fueled by data, but feel it's important to stop there. I just use it as a rough tool, rather than a specific measurement.

      1. FPLGOOD
        • 2 Years
        5 days, 13 hours ago

        Yeah certainly agree that a lot of time can be spent on this 🙂 But for me it's big part of the fun-factor on this game.

        But like you said in the end it often comes down to just picking the best combination of player, team, fixture, form - and lot of luck!

        1. Giggs Boson
          • 10 Years
          5 days, 12 hours ago

          Yeah I love it, too much really. It's better to diversify and have different hobbies so you're not too invested in one thing. Your mood is more consistent.

          Analysing how many points each player is roughly worth is a useful exercise though. It can help you weigh up going 4/5 expensive defenders at the back or investing more in attack.

          It served me well last season when I went big at the back, even playing with 5 at times. Robbo, Chilwell and James were raking in points while others were mucking about with the likes of Mbuemo and Toney instead. Glorious gains.

          1. FPLGOOD
            • 2 Years
            5 days, 11 hours ago

            Sounds good moves for you last year!

            Definitely also agree with its good to diversify. Interestingly for me fpl have become mostly an off-season hoppy - this is the time when I like to tinker the most. During the season I get long spells when I'm not too bothered. Actually this reminds me of some gamblers who loves to think about bets but dont really bother to follow how it went.

      2. meerlight
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        4 days, 21 hours ago

        "You just need to pick the combination of players that nets you the most points."

        It all starts to make sense now...

        1. Giggs Boson
          • 10 Years
          4 days, 19 hours ago

          Trying to maximise points may seem obvious, but so many people get hung up on irrelevant things like formations, price points and EO.

          They pick a suboptimal set of players because it fits the rigid rules they've created for themselves.

          i.e. "I must cover that defence"
          "352 is always the best formation"
          "I can't have two players from the same defence"
          "I must get that high EO player"
          "4.5/4.0 keepers is always optimal"
          "Value is in defence, and points are in midfield"

          Being single-minded on maximising points can result in some eyebrow-raising teams with wacky formations that break the meta.

    6. ritzyd
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      5 days, 11 hours ago

      Ahhh, the annual off season value debate, as always, value does not mean the most points and ultimately the most points is what we need to win the game.

  11. NateDog
    • 1 Year
    5 days, 16 hours ago

    https://mobile.twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1539214139687682049

    Saints defensive rebuild continues as they sign Bochum defender Bella-Kotchap. Palace have also agreed to sign Sam Johnstone. Chelsea now in the mix alongside Barcelona, Spurs and Arsenal for Raphinha.

    1. Holmes
      • 8 Years
      5 days, 16 hours ago

      Raphinha at Chelsea would actually be better as compared to Spurs(Kulu) and Arsenal(Saka)

      1. Holmes
        • 8 Years
        5 days, 16 hours ago

        Signing a Bochum defender is never a good sign...

        1. Portsmouth Bubblejet
          • 11 Years
          5 days, 15 hours ago

          Bella-Kotchap was an above-average player for VfL Bochum last season, but he is an enigma at the same time. Definitely talented as a tough-tackling central defender, he is prone to nerves and to giving the ball away with over-ambitious passes in situations that have led to goals.

          He's still only 20, however, and consistency in decision-making is something that comes with time. Could be a good signing for Southampton, especially if the price is only €11 million, but Bella-Kotchap will probably need a little while to settle and develop in the Premier League.

          1. NateDog
            • 1 Year
            5 days, 15 hours ago

            Thanks for the info. Sounds a bit similar to the Salisu signing then, a raw talent that will likely need some time but one where you can see why he was bought. Salisu had some very good periods and very bad periods last season but has the makings of a good player. They definitely need numbers in that area, had to rely on the likes of Stephens and Salisu too much last season.

          2. mynameisq
            • 8 Years
            5 days, 14 hours ago

            Sounds like a typical Southampton cb!

  12. Holmes
    • 8 Years
    5 days, 15 hours ago

    Man City player getting 36 starts is a surprise!

    1. mynameisq
      • 8 Years
      5 days, 14 hours ago

      Last season they had surprisingly little depth on the bench (compared to their usual Galactico level bench)

  13. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
    • 5 Years
    5 days, 15 hours ago

    If TAA comes in at 8.0m and Robertson at 7.5m, would you expect VVD to come in at 7.0m? If so Alisson at 6.0m could become an interesting pick, only 10 points less than Robertson and 7 points less then VVD …

    1. Zim0
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      5 days, 15 hours ago

      Robertson didn't play for a quarter of the season tbf

    2. NateDog
      • 1 Year
      5 days, 15 hours ago

      I'd say VVD at 6.5 is the sweet spot. Matip will naturally get a bump but his performances (alongside Robbo and TAA) meant that VVD's scope for bps was significantly lowered, and his attacking returns are sporadic enough that I wouldn't go near him at 7m. (That being said, I do think Konate will eat into Matip's time this season so I'm not too sure on going with him either.)

    3. Fish up a tree
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      5 days, 15 hours ago

      It’s not a bad shout as Liverpool could get 5-6 CS in first 7 games as they are that good

      Alisson averaged 4.9 per game compared to 4 for say Raya (priced at possibly 4.5).
      That would be an extra 34 points across the season for Alisson.

      The question is can you get more than 34 points by investing that 1.5 mil upgrading another position?

      There is an argument to start with Alisson to get the points for these early fixtures then downgrade when 1st wildcard is used to the go to cheaper option?

      1. NateDog
        • 1 Year
        5 days, 15 hours ago

        I'm contemplating this myself now that you put it that way. Raya certainly has decent fixtures but I do wonder how Brentford will cope in their second season, especially if Eriksen isn't going to rejoin (although it sounds like there's a better chance of that happening now than a few weeks ago). But 1.5 is a fair amount and with so many tempting premiums this season it's looking like every saving you can make will be significant, not to mention booking in transfers is often a foolish move, especially for a position like GK.

        1. Nomar
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          5 days, 15 hours ago

          Second season syndrome is a worry for Brentford, but I don’t think any of the other £4.5 keepers will be any better.

    4. Lovren an elevator
      • 7 Years
      5 days, 15 hours ago

      I'm guessing 6.5. I know he's close to the other 2, but the potential for attacking returns is still so much higher with the full-backs. And I imagine FPL will put them both ridiculously high, not because of their potential necessarily, but more cos otherwise EVERYONE will own them

  14. Lovren an elevator
    • 7 Years
    5 days, 15 hours ago

    Sancho will surely have a decent price drop this season...if its decent enough...I think I'll be taking a punt. Unless they sign Antony, who is a stud

    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      5 days, 15 hours ago

      If they sign Eriksen that may eat into Sancho’s points potential.

      1. Lovren an elevator
        • 7 Years
        5 days, 14 hours ago

        Very fair comment. They're not going to sign Eriksen, Antony AND FDJ. But 100% agree, need to see who they get and how they set up before I punt...AND he's needs a significant price drop onto of that.
        And regarding Eriksen, surely it's Fernandes who suffers a points drop? Although Sancho is the one who could actually suffer from starts? So you're still making an excellent point

    2. DavidBW
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      5 days, 14 hours ago

      22 goals in 79 appearances in Holland isn't very good.

      1. mynameisq
        • 8 Years
        5 days, 14 hours ago

        He's 22, shouldn't go off stats alone

      2. Lovren an elevator
        • 7 Years
        5 days, 14 hours ago

        It's not just that though, he's young, he's improved tremendously from last season, his chance creation stats and no. of touches/shots inside the area is very high, and outside of stats, he's become a big player for Ajax (and ETH) and Brazil aswell. He's basically usurped Richarlison, Raphina and Rodrigo to the RWF position.
        And if he comes to United, ETH will likely make him nailed on the RWF, keep mentoring him, and be patient and give him plenty of time

        1. DavidBW
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 1 Year
          5 days, 14 hours ago

          United just spent £80m on Sancho who's a right winger. Have they given up on him already.

          WasteMan Club.

          1. Baines on Toast...
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            5 days, 13 hours ago

            They have apparently decided he’s better on the left wing

            1. DavidBW
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 1 Year
              5 days, 13 hours ago

              lol they do like doing things the hard way.

              1. Zim0
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 3 Years
                5 days, 13 hours ago

                U know he's better on the LW. He can just play both sides that's why everyone things he's a RW.

          2. Lovren an elevator
            • 7 Years
            5 days, 13 hours ago

            It seems LWF is his place to lose now

          3. Nomar
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            5 days, 13 hours ago

            United don't really have a strategy when it comes to transfers, though. Hence why they'd go for Erikksen when they already have Bruno.

  15. Hiiler
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 days, 14 hours ago

    Initial draft with predicted prices:

    GK: Ramsdale(Sanchez)
    DEF: Cash,TAA,Cancelo,Burn(Semedo)
    MID: Saka,Ramsey,Salah(C) (Lerma,Murphy)
    FOR: Nketiah.Johnson,Haaland(V)

    No idea though how good are Lerma and Murphy or how many minutes they could get. 🙂

    1. mynameisq
      • 8 Years
      5 days, 13 hours ago

      You'll soon lerma lesson

      1. Hiiler
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 days, 13 hours ago

        Good word play. 🙂

  16. BobB
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    4 days, 19 hours ago

    The new Vieira may be a bargain if he comes in around 6.0