Moving Target
11 August 2016 2600 comments
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Having bolstered Man City’s attacking options with the acquisition of Nolito and Leroy Sane, new manager Pep Guardiola moved to strengthen his defence this week with the signing of Everton defender John Stones for a fee believed to be £47.5 million.

The 22-year-old England international put pen to paper on a six-year deal at the Etihad, and speaking to the club’s official website, revealed his happiness at joining City, and his desire to earn his place in Guardiola’s starting XI:

“I’ve obviously seen what’s going on here at the Etihad, it’s an ambitious club with a great manager so I can’t wait to get stuck in and help achieve the goals. I know it will be tough getting a place in this team but I’m determined to become the best player I can be and help us to success.”

The History

Stones came through Barnsley’s youth set-up, progressing all the way through to the first team. He made his professional debut in a 4-0 defeat to Reading in March 2012, and managed 28 appearances in all competitions for the Tykes, scoring one goal.

In January 2013, Everton paid Barnsley a fee reportedly in the region of £3 million to secure the young defender’s services, although he had to wait until August 2013 to make his debut for the Toffees, coming in a 2-1 against Stevenage in the League Cup.

Stones’ Premier League debut eventually came in a 1-1 draw against Stoke in January 2014, and he enjoyed a strong second half of the campaign, racking up a further 20 league appearances.

Whilst injury curtailed Stones’ progress during the first half of the 2014/15 season, he ended the campaign as a regular starter, and totaled 23 league appearances, scoring one goal.

Last season, the cultured centre-back was Phil Jagielka’s regular partner at the heart of the Everton defence, clocking up 33 appearances, although he failed to register any attacking returns. His individual performances did come under some criticism, though, with Everton’s disappointing campaign eventually leading to the departure of Roberto Martinez.

Stones represented England at Under 19, Under 20 and Under 21 levels, making 17 appearances in total, before earning a senior debut off the bench in a 3-0 win over Peru in May 2014. He was included in Roy Hodgson’s squad for Euro 2016, but was one of only two outfield players, along with Ross Barkley, not to feature in the tournament. He currently has 10 international caps but has yet to score for his country.

The Prospects

With Vincent Kompany expected to miss the opening weeks of the season due to a thigh injury, Stones will fancy his chances of going straight into the starting XI for Saturday’s season opener against Sunderland.

Guardiola started with Aleksandar Kolarov and Fernando in central defence in City’s final pre-season match against Arsenal, but it could be that Stones partners Nicolas Otamendi against the Black Cats. The England man has got plenty of minutes under his belt playing for the Toffees during pre-season, and should physically at least be ready for the big kick-off.

Furthermore, Eliaquim Mangala has not been included in City’s Champions League squad, which indicates the Frenchmen will likely be allowed to leave before the transfer window closes.

Guardiola favours using a four-man backline, so when Kompany does return to full fitness, it could leave Stones and Otamendi battling for one position. Given the investment made in the England international, he may be the one to keep his place providing he settles quickly in Manchester.

The major positive for Stones’ prospects is the fact Guardiola places so much emphasis on his defenders initiating attacks through their distribution, as he explained last month:

“Normally central defenders are strong in the air and aggressive. But we need to have a good build-up to create easy passes in the midfield so they can create good passes for the strikers. I believe when the ball goes from the central defender to the striker as quickly as possible, it comes as quickly as possible back.”

Crucially, amongst all defenders who played over 1000 minutes last season, Stones was ranked fourth for completed passes with 88%, illustrating his capability as a ball-playing defender.

Comparing the underlying statistics of Stones, Kompany and Otamendi from last season, it’s the Argentine who comes out on top. The former Valencia defender averaged a tackle every 21.4 minutes, far superior to both Kompany (45.9) and Stones (48.1). He held a similar advantage in terms of interceptions too, managing one every 27 minutes, better than both Stones (52.4) and Kompany (53.9).

The only significant area where Stones led the way amongst the trio came via blocks, averaging one every 83.9 minutes, far better than both Otamendi (215.9) and Kompany (310).

Otamendi could hold the edge for CBI, then, although the fact Kompany only managed 13 starts last season and was generally far from his best is perhaps not indicative of what we can expect if he can stay fit for a prolonged period of time.

The big factor in Stones’ favour from a Fantasy perspective is the fact he’s priced at 5.0 in Fantasy Premier League (FPL), whereas both Kompany and Otamendi are valued at 6.0.

That disparity is likely to be one of the main reasons why Stones’ ownership has soared to 27% since the move was confirmed, and if City can equal or better the 16 clean sheets they accrued last season, the former Barnsley man could provide fantastic value providing he’s a regular starter.

As highlighted by this recent in-depth article on Guardiola’s tactics, the signs are promising:

“Guardiola has had the best defensive record in every league campaign of his career at Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Tellingly, the most goals he’s ever conceded came in the first of those seven seasons and the fewest came in his last one with Bayern”.

Stones does, however, lack any real goal threat, having only averaged an attempt every 366.9 minutes last term. That was far worse than Otamendi (104) and Kompany (112.7), both of whom have scored at decent number of goals throughout their careers.

City’s fixtures over the first six Gameweeks (SUN, sto, WHM, mun, BOU, swa) are fairly mixed though, so while Stones may offer tremendous value now playing for a side expected to compete for the title, it may take Guardiola time to get his methods across to his players – something that won’t be helped by Stones’ late arrival should he be thrust straight into the action.

Over the course of the season then, there’s every expectation that Stones could develop as a viable FPL asset under Guardiola’s guidance.

With a number of similarly priced options such as Robert Huth, Michael Keane, Ramiro Funes Mori, Alberto Moreno, Steve Cook, Patrick van Aanholt and Craig Dawson offering significantly greater goal threat, though, the City new boy may need to up his attacking output to offer exceptional value.

Further Reference

John Stones Wikipedia

John Stones Transfer Markt Page

John Stones You Tube

  1. Nutella
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Which 4.0 million defender starts or is the most likely to start? (if there is any that is)

    1. ed24
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Amat most likely

    2. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Amat looking most likely but by no means nailed

      1. Pooodle
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Won't Swansea play van der Hoorn and Fernandez (if fit)?

    3. Clump
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      That's a question nobody knows the answer too, sadly.

    4. Tom1912
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Amat is likely to start Saturday but Swansea will likely sign a CB before the end of the window

    5. bigbudgie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Smith at Bournemouth possible
      Amat at Swansea

      Haven't looked at any others

    6. Sheeeit
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      I think Smith is possibly the only one likely to get a starting berth long term. If he starts (big if) & plays well I could see him keeping the spot.

  2. bigbudgie
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Last decisions for the budgie team before implosion, bed wetting and wildcard

    A) Stones + Coleman
    B) Williams + VVD

    X) Lamela + Redmond
    Y) Tadic + Ramirez

    And then who to pick out of the 6.5 strikers

    1) Wilson
    2) Carroll
    3) Gray

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      BX3

      1. bigbudgie
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Thanks

    2. Energetics
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      A. Just
      Y. Definately for me

      Toss a coin for the last one, Gray just about edges it for due to his pre season form.

      1. bigbudgie
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Thanks. Gray is currently in my team but beginning to favour A Carroll. I've always had him down as a donkey though !

    3. itsmilks
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      B & Y

      2 or 3 - I've provisionally gone for Gray, but really like Carroll's price & likely opportunities.

  3. Ninjaa
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Is John stones now essential for 5m at City

    1. Gooner Kebab
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Read above 🙂

    2. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Not essential but good player to own imo

    3. itsmilks
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      There's a good article on this very subject if you scroll up.

  4. Gooner Kebab
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Morning everyone

    1. Belsunz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      this!

  5. Ninjaa
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Thoughts on this guys

    Foster Heaton
    Shaw peiters mccauley friend amat
    Hazard Mahrez lamela redmond capoue
    Ibrahimovic Aguero gray

    1. bigbudgie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      I've gone off Mahrez, I think his head is turned...even if he doesn't leave this window. I think defence needs an extra 0.5-1m. Redmond > 5.5m Mahrez > 9/8.5 will do it. Or Heaton > Jaku

      1. Ninjaa
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Good advice. Thanks

    2. Gooner Kebab
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      nothing wrong here

  6. Energetics
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Bottomed.

    Foster (Jaku)
    Shaw Stones Friend (Kone Amat)
    Hazard _____ Tadic Ramirez (Capoue)
    Aguero Zlatan _____

    1. Mahrez and Gray
    2. Redmond and Vardy
    3. Eriksen and Musa
    4. Firminio and Musa
    5. Other (Suggestions?)

    1. Tom1912
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      2 for me.

      Vardy v Hull looks too good to ignore and would wait and see on Musa.

    2. jake_the_peg
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      How about Firminho/Eriksson and Gray, plus 1m to keep ITB for bandwagon jumping flexibility?

  7. Tom1912
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Coleman or Baines or Williams?

    Is 5.5, 5.5, 5, 4.5, 4 too much value in my defence? Two 4.5s in goal

    1. President Giggs
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      I think that's perfect for defense. It's what I'm on, albeit with 4.5/4.0 in goal.

  8. President Giggs
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Anyone considering Mark Noble? Not confident in Lamela and need a 3rd mid for ~7m

    1. bigbudgie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      gotta squeeze an extra 0.5 and get into that price bracket. Opens up then .

    2. Clump
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Great option. Was in the form of his life after Xmas last year. On pens, club captain, should have gone to the Euros.
      Lovely value, under the radar pick IMO.

      1. Pompel
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Ayew and Payet says hello, though

  9. Gooner97
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Stones or Cedric?

    1. Tom1912
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Stones

    2. jurgenklopp.8
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      cedric imo

  10. ed24
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Foster
    Shaw Stones Williams Friend Amat
    Sanchez Payet Lamela Mirallas Capoue
    Aguero Costa Gray

    Any thoughts?

  11. Ninjaa
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Redmond or Townsend or Lamela. In order of how good a pick they are?

  12. Bambi
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Too risky of a front 7?

    Hazard Firmino Lamela Deulofeu
    Aguero Ibra Gray

    1. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Risky? It's like the FFS template

    2. RᴀᴄɪɴɢTᴏᴀᴅ
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Template AF.

  13. Bubz
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Where is Hazard actually going to play? I'm a bit confused about Conte's formation plans.

    1. Bambi
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      it doesn't really matter.

    2. Jazz!
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      LW

      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        In a 433?

        1. Jazz!
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 4 months ago

          4-1-4-1 / 4-2-3-1

    3. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      No one is sure

    4. Sheeeit
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      I think the most important bit is that he is going to play somewhere. The rest of Chelsea squad is a bit unknown.

    5. FPL Footy Show Pod
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Off the front man seemingly.... Hoping that means mega points

  14. Andrew
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Benteke done

    1. Gooner Kebab
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      source?

        1. Gooner Kebab
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 4 months ago

          Is it safe to get Townsend now?

        2. Clump
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 4 months ago

          That's the worst photo mash up ever!

  15. Ninjaa
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Kone or Pieters

    1. Old Man
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Maybe Kone if he goes to Everton. Pieters fictures improve in a few weeks

  16. supersham
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Williams or Morgan?

  17. Bubz
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Benteke is going to be gold when hes fit and firing.

  18. The HøneyMøns…
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    I do not believe Gerard Deulofeu or Mirallas are nailed on. Here's why.
    *Koeman usually plays 3-4-1-2 against teams that play two strikers.
    *West brom usually play with two strikers
    *Everton play West Brom in gameweek 2.
    *Barkley will likely in the number 10 role.
    *Lukaku will occupy a strikers role.
    *Only one spot available for Deulofeu, Mirallas or even bolasie, Kone & niasse.
    *Impossible to call either Deulofeu or Mirallas nailed on on the basis of my explanation above.

    Verdict: Avoid both Deulofeu & Mirallas.

    1. ed24
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Good point

  19. SG1
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Foster

    Valencia-Terry-Stones

    Hazard-Firminio-Lamela-Redmond

    Kun-Zlatan-Gray

    Subs; Jaku, Capoue, Friend, Amat.

  20. Valar(Keith)
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    You guys do know that Tadic at the tip of the diamond and playing furthest forward just sounds good on paper right? Watched almost every preseason game and in practice the new formation has been a mess and Soton look like they are gonna struggle. Tadic totally isolated and the two "strikers" forced out onto the wings half the time to cover for their fullbacks. Can see them really struggling the first few weeks. the only guy who looks worth a punt is redmond because he should start in this bogus new formation since Austin is too slow for the wing and will start if they shift to a traditional 4-3-3 since he is their only right winger. I'd stay away from all their attackers for a weeks tbh

    1. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Not what we want to hear 😛

    2. Jazz!
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Interesting. I've read people think Tadic is better on the wing. What about Shane Long?

      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Long and Redmond are the only 2 players who can pull of the forward positions in the current formation. so if the formation works then the two of em will be nailed on for the foreseeable. if it fails(very likely) then it'll be just one man upfront so it'll be a shootout between Austin/Long(though arguable Long could play on the right if Redmond flatters to decieve)

    3. BrockLanders
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Reckon JWP will start mate?

    4. Clump
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Oh 🙁

    5. Valar(Keith)
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Classic case of a manager forcing a formation onto players rather than adjusting a formation to suit his players

    6. Eden Hazardous
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      And what about their defence? VVD worth having?

      1. Jazz!
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Yeah, they've been solid.

      2. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Looks pretty solid.. i'm gonna go Cedric, though he may not start the first game, he will start thereafter. Pied has been brought in as backup to Martina(who can cover for Bertrand too) as opposed to the views on here that he is first choice 😆 ..

        1. Jazz!
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 4 months ago

          🙂 Going in with Cedric myself.

    7. SweepaKeepa
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Hi Valar, can you give me your opinion if Kingsley can usurp Taylor at Swansea this season, please?

      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Not sure.. there's no reason for that really. Just get Amat. he has no one to usurp anymore 🙂

        1. SweepaKeepa
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 4 months ago

          Noted! Thanks for the reply.

  21. Slumdog-Mignolet
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Valencia or Shaw?

    1. fantasyfanatic2016
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Valencia for the assists

    2. Tom1912
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Valencia riskier because competition from Darmian but more likely to get attacking returns.

      I've gone safe with Shaw

    3. _Freddo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Depends on how many other risks you have, I'm going Shaw because I have a couple of risks.

      They will both get forward.

    4. @FPLMason
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Shaw --> Safe
      Valencia --> Risk

  22. fantasyfanatic2016
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Lamela/Erikson/All?????

    1. Teddy Steddingham
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Wouldn't risk Lamela until he's proved himself in premierleague (especially after someone's analysis I saw earlier that he plays worse with Alli in the attacking three; see Hot topic on Spurs).

      Other two is pretty much do you want solid points (Eriksen) or explosive more risky returns(Alli). Eriksen will almost definitely repeat last season's points haul imo; Alli hasn't proved he will yet so more of a risk.

    2. Belsunz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      as a spurs fan: Alli.

  23. JJO
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Is Terry injured?

    1. RᴀᴄɪɴɢTᴏᴀᴅ
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      No

      1. JJO
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Are you sure
        Havent read anything about it here but on flashscore it says that he has head injury ?

  24. Jafooli
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Oh FFS, if Benteke has gone to palace, time to start again 😆

    1. fantasyfanatic2016
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Will he start first game?

    2. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      He hasn't kicked a ball for months. No way he starts yet

  25. @FPLMason
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    If you had to pick between Gaston Ramirez and Fischer as an fpl prospect, who'd you pick and why?

    1. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      I would pick Matt Phillips because he is very good

      1. @FPLMason
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Care to shed some light, Moin?
        Thanks for the input.

  26. jaymanutd1
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Had a big change around last night on my team removing martial and everton attacking player.
    how do you think this potentially final team looks or any notable changes you would advise:
    foster (jak)
    valencia/ stones/ pieters (chambers, amat)
    tadic/ hazard/ lamela/ firminho (zaha)
    gray/ kun/ vardy party

  27. ThurmanMurman23
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Think I'm pretty content with my squad and ready for Saturday:

    ------------------Courtois
    Valencia--van Dijk--Stones--Shaw
    Eriksen--------Hazard-------Barkley
    Negredo-------Aguero---------Long

    Foster--Redmond--Williams--Gradel

    £0.5m in the bank and would appreciate feedback.

  28. Gooner Kebab
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Foster, Heaton
    Stones, Shaw, Pieters, Taylor, Friend
    Alexis, Firmino, Townsend, Ibe, Fletcher
    Kun, Ibra, Long

    Undecided on Ibe, but at 5.5 i think he's brilliant.

  29. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    PpG XV

    Cech 4.7 - Butland 4.3
    Kompany 5.4 - Shaw 5.4 - Bellerin 4.8 - Fuchs 4.7 - Koscielny 4.6
    Mahrez 6.5 - Ozil 5.7 - Payet 5.7 - Sanchez 5.6 - KDB 5.2
    Aguero 6.1 - Vardy 5.9 - Kane 5.6

    How many do you have?

    1. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      2 😀

    2. The HøneyMøns…
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Uh oh...
      Only Aguero:-D

    3. Jafooli
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      1 😎

    4. AK ⭐
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      4. Which is scary.

    5. RᴀᴄɪɴɢTᴏᴀᴅ
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      2

    6. Jazz!
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      2 😀

    7. culverwood
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      3

    8. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Only Alexis here...

  30. Coaly
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Siggy or Routledge for first 2-3?

    Serious question

    1. Gooner Kebab
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Siggy

    2. Belsunz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Sig