Dugout Discussion – Man City vs Leicester

It's not the job or responsibility of FFS to point out to people that a world class striker is capable of scoring well.

Don't mind them Granville. Some people literally come on here asking other posters to pick their team for them

Would be nice to keep it running if you’ve paid for the service.

upvote for 1st ever use on here of unedifying 🙂

is there an "edifying"?

I agree. You can’t go crazy just because they all shared the same opinion.

If you take it down for a few weeks do all the subscriptions get refunded?

Wasn't aware of this, but you will always get trolls and people who just want to take. From what I've seen, I think most on here (members anyway) understand and appreciate the value the website and its team offer.

For people that have paid the membership money....it would be unfair to take it down

People need somebody to blame for their own mistakes and the Scoutcast team are an easy target.

Don't think any of the team should get to hung up on these type of people

Yeah it's pathetic. But an open forum with a scoutcast that somewhat suggests expertise, combined with social media and a game involving lots of luck and swings.... can hardly be surprised

Still were sensible enough to name him in the scout pics. What more do people want with the variety of options available this gameweek.

People forget the Naughton and Shaqiri picks

This game is based on at least 50% pure chance. That should be borne on mind when giving or receiving advice. So no need for anyone to gloat or condemn, really.

With the number of members on this site you are going to have a few unpleasant characters & trolls who like to 'lol' at peoples failures & play the blame game...
Im sure mark & rest of the scoutcasters have a thick skin to not let it bother them

Best post

You can please some of the people all of the time ........

Agreed and says everything that most of the scouts spend all their time on Twitter and avoiding the nonsense on here. If the scouts don’t even use FFF then who’s it aimed at? Just for the trolls?

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I completely agree !
I watch a lot of soccer (awaits attacks for using that word instead of football but I'm Irish and we have our own football) and regularly attend games . I am also a FF addict and scour stats etc. I feel I could offer a fair bit of measured advice which I do on another FF forum BUT not here! It's a cliquey closed shop imo . The first time I posted some advice I was told to come back when I had a "grav"! Is that going to make my advice sounder ? Last week I was treated with a lot of suspicion for letting people know well in advance of deadline there was a fair chance Phil Jones would miss out . And then the same posters were giving out FFS only tweeted about it at deadline!
Anyway rant over .
Back to lurking . Keep up the good work

Anyone who needs telling that kun a good option is beyond help anyway. Gutted you don't own him granny coz that would be some classic banter, bring back the Mark and Granny show

People dont have to be sheep. I listen to the advice and sometimes respectfully ignore it if I disagree.

You just need to look at the guys ranks over the years to see they know what they are talking about.

I went kun and captained him so it worked for me. Last week it didn't. Them's the breaks.

I mean, not often but one year I beat all of the scout cast team, so you have to be your own man. Listen, digest and make your own moves.

I have to say, with the exception of yourself Granville, the other guys do tend to have very similar teams. I guess the fear of getting it wrong and losing ground drives that. Respect to you for going against the grain.

Sorry you feel that way Granny - perhaps FFS is a victim of its own success, attracting weakly emotional posters as well as the core who have been here for many years (as an aside I do miss Granny's miffed on the Scoutcast!).

FFS is a brilliant site, but always best avoided on Match days.

Please ignore, if FFS wasn't any good then there would be few posters and even fewer subscribers. It's exceptional, and you and Mark shouldn't take things to heart.

I am not surprised to see you do not own Agüero.

One of the most bitter posts I’ve read.

How about people pick their own sides?
FFS forums & Scoutcast are free. People offering up their own time. Never heard the Scoutcasters describe themselves as "experts" and seen most of them.
Scoutcast mantra has always been it replicates 4/5 friends sitting around discussing their FPL teams.

Haven't read over them but ScoutCast in question was about 4GWs ago now and when discussed, it was about whether we'd specifically go for Aguero over Firmino.

Obviously in hindsight, our answer should have been yes and now we all regret it. I wasn't really in for it as I'd just gone Vardy over Firmino anyway, but the whole context of the question wasn't "do we think Aguero can score big" it was more about our own individual teams and whether we'd take hits to make the move from our second striker to Aguero.

As mentioned at the time, we answered from our own perspectives and that's been interpreted as saying we thought Aguero would do badly when there were so many other factors that influenced our view.

Not sure why we're in line for criticism still on that - Aguero is in the Picks, he was sitting top of RMT in the Captain Sensible article this week.

I'm not sure it can be had both ways, though. It used to be you two just hanging out and chatting, a small, humble conversation about this crazy obsession for a small, relatively humble but definitely hardcore audience.

Things are clearly different now as the site has gotten so popular, and there is an air of the tabloid to the whole thing, with much discussion of who said what or who picked whom, setting up a gotcha! culture that the Scouts don't seem to mind and the audience evidently can't help but revel in. If the abuse from the masses is too much, perhaps a bit more humility from all concerned would be helpful, and your well-intentioned comment only makes things more about who is or isn't an expert, begging the reverse question as well - would the Scouts be able to do well without the community?

Lol @ mods

Keep up the great work on the Scoutcast. Granville ,Jonty ,Andy , Mark and Az provide great entertainment and excellent insight. They’ve never claimed to be experts and if you do not like what you hear then switch off. Keep up the great work lads!

Am I the only one who has absolutely no idea what everyone's talking about here? 🙂

Too right. Mark puts himself out there as part of the whole site . Spineless cretins can choose to criticise publicly and then crawl away back under their stones. There are others on here who change their usernames and then change them back again who delight in this kind of criticism. These are the kind of people who need to eradicated from this site.

I think a lot of the Kun criticism on the Scoutcast was quite unsubstantiated, he was criticised for not being nailed on and sharing minutes with Jesus (before the injury) even though he played quite similar minutes to Firmino and Morata, he was also being criticised for 'not being the old Kun'.

On the other hand, i can understand the non owners. Having both Kane and Kun stretches the budget, but at a time where Sanchez and Hazard are questionable picks, he was quite affordable.

People need to make their decision regardless of what is advised on here. It shouldn't be the sole reason to make decisions.

Have to take some criticism on the chin though. You guys are the stars of the show and get the chance to air you're thoughts which we don't all get so you will be the first for the blame.

Absolutely agree that reactions are over the top. We don't want a community full of LOLs and finger pointing.

However at the same time a degree humbleness from Scouts & senior posters wouldn't go amiss at times. TM245 and others have made similar points already.

This recent post stuck in my mind (http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2018/02/09/wisdom-of-the-crowd-gameweek-27/?hc_page=1#hc_comment_17651060) as I felt some comments belittled those who had chosen Aguero over Kane...

Jonty even goaded the community “strange how the Aguero owners went silent this week"...
When you make a statement like that you've then got to accept those very same people are going to be noisy when he scores 4.

Agree Granville +42.. I think it is unfair to blame anyone on picks.. I know i do go off when it comes to price rise/baps but that's of sheer bad coincidence.. I wish there was more transparency from FPL on things like price rise for example which would avoid all such speculation.

By the way I think it would be genius if FFS was shut from gw 30 to 33 and see how people cope.. I know i will manage because i plan, imagine the rank rise I would get from lack of info for others.

#firstworldproblems

Agree entirely. Those podcasts are a free resource. People are giving up their time to help and advise. We then get ultra-crappy, cowardly (because anonymous) remarks like 'non-Aguero owners LOL' etc.

This is a really great site and most of the people posting enter into it in a good spirit. It's that small-minded, mindless minority that drag it down sometimes. Best not to bite I suppose.

Idiots. Just ignore them chaps and keep up the good work.

All you are doing is using your experience and analytical skills to examine the evidence and try to predict the future, and you do so in an engaging and thoughtful way. Of course you're not going to get it right every time.

The irony is that anyone who is annoyed with you for giving "bad" advice should have known it was bad advice in the first place, if it were that obvious, and shouldn't have listened. Muppets.

The community here is now dominated by a lot of idiots so this sadly doesn't surprise me.

It amazes me anyone takes anyone elses opinions so seriously that they have a right to criticse anyone. At the end of the day you are just managers of FPL teams the same as the rest of us and don't have any special powers which make your opinions any better than anyone elses.

So anyone who is criticising grow some and make your own decisions. What is even the point of playing the game if you need to be told what to do the whole time. Where is the fun in that?

You disappoint me Glanville. What are we here for but to make sport for our neighbours and laugh at them in our turn? Take it on the chin ffs.

The only cure for Japanese flag week is a super Tampax.

We saw equally "unedifying" smugness from a particular member of the Scoutcast crew when Aguero blanked recently.

"Rough with the Smooth" and all that..... 🙂

Isn’t this the same thing as spoken about on scoutcast last week when Aguero failed
‘This shows some people that Aguero isn’t the be all and end all’

I think some people just thought he was a good pick

Here's what I think
- No one forces you to pick the players the scouts advocate. You have free will. Use their (informed) opinions to guide your decisions, but if you just want to copy everything they do just find the url for Jay erderstoff's team and copy that, you'll do better.
- throwing toys out of pram helps no one. You have to be better. This is the internet. This isn't a conversation between friends in a bar, this is a conversation between everyone in the bar, even that guy pissing on his own shoes in the corner. I know you don't want to talk to him, but you can ignore what he says. You can also chuck him out if he crosses a line.
-finally. this is a game. A game. It's easy to lose sight of that sometimes but nobody died because you didn't captain Aguero this week.

I hope everyone enjoys their Sundays and calms down a bit.

MB

My wife is beating almost all of you this year and she knows f all about fantasy football other than the names of some players.
Everyone needs some perspective.
its a silly game that we all get some kind of adrenaline rush from cause none of us are we're good enough to play the real game.
Well except jafooli who I believe is actually messi

A Black Mirror style Scoutcast would be awesome.
All their beards catching fire when they ignore Aguero.

I am one of many FFS members who visits the site frequently and really value what the community & scoutcast team have to offer. It would be a huge shame not to have your input, it's great to hear others talk and strategise so passionately about FPL, keep up the good work and ignore the critics. I'd imagine you might have to get used to lots of random 'feedback' with FPL growing in popularity, I'm sure your scout cast viewing/listening figures will only continue to increase over time.

90% of people are idiots. That is all.

Quality site, excellent and entertaining analysis and banter. Love the podcasts as well. Keep it up lads.

Well... "unedifying", at least it's nice to add a new word to the vocabulary.

Regardless of GW27, or the haul(s) aguero's posted from GW24 through 27, I find it strange how one of the scoutcastmembers, and posssibly, the whole core core of FFS mods, are outraged that some users of the site are gloating or showing frustration. Surely the tolerance should be higher when your delivering content to an audience consisting of thousands, if not to say millions.

One could say that predicting FPL-returns is merely a numbers game, where-anything-can-happen, but usually your best bet is leaning on the strategy with the best odds. Probably this is what you all did when considering your own sides when debating Kun, and therefore should not receive the amount of criticism in the aftermath.

But let me say, WOW. Lashing out at the community after receiving criticism? Thats unworthy... some use this site to post ideas, some seek information/advice, some seek the stats and some merely stops by to gloat or to stir the pot. Whatever their angle is, their all contributing in one way or the other. Hitting back, and vaguely threathening to shut the site down seems petty and "unedifying".

(To be frank: even after searching the web i'm not really not sure if I used "unedifying" correctly)

Bit late to this. Surely, we're all capable of measuring the advice given here against our own analysis. FFS is a valuable resource, which many of us appreciate, but it's no substitute for our own judgment.

Bring back the old days, none of this immature rubbish use to happen and we all had a good JUHUU and moved onto the next GW no issues at all. Felt like a proper community then.
With popularity and increased numbers comes more criticism, that is inevitable and I think bringing it up and therefore adding more fuel to the fire was ultimately not a very wise decision Mr Granville.

Although I agree with your post in principle, it is a case of you reap what you sow. Simples.
This site on an quality level went to the dogs years ago.... this is what you get. ( take that as criticism or an obvious observation)
"You said x would score " boo bloody hoo.
This is what you get when you TAME the beast

I’ve not read the criticism because I only look at the hot topic discussion but I assume people are upset because, like me, they bet their children’s education money on Aguero not doing well because you and the scoutcasters said you weren’t going to get him in and now my children have to go without an education all because of you.

You will always get crap from some people wherever you in life, good place or bad place. But atleast in this website world you can block IP addresses of destructive critics if you need to 😉 I say block some and crap will decrease on its own

Tbh, most of the posts here are from weak-minded individuals who can't make decisions. It's alright to ask for advice, but pretty much everyone turns around and blames a poster who told them to do X or Y or the Scoutcast team after the event.

The scoutcast is simply five unqualified hunks who are fanatical about Fantasy Football. Perhaps a disclaimer should be shown at the beginning.

While I'm offering free feedback, I'd also like to see a graphic of each contributor's team at some point during proceedings, so I know what is going on.

Haven’t looked at all the buildup to this but guessing one or two individuals have been the catalyst and it’s not hard to guess who. Not worth your time Granny.

You have influence Granville, kick them out! Rule with an iron fist!

The scoutcast is my favourite entertainment of the week.
How on earth can people criticize opinions? Nobody has a magic crystal ball.
A good rule of thumb on the internet is speak to people as you would in the pub. Some of the more rude posts on here would result in a thick ear after a pint of cask or three.
P.s. Get on the scoutcast more plz Granny.

Not really pro or anti on this, I just have two words regarding it.

Grow up.

😆

mate the fanboys need to think for themselves and own their own decisions. I don't listen to the pod but Aguero hasn't been struggling at all fwiw.

The scoutcast is a good watch where you can park up your stresses of work and life and just watch ffs guys/geeks talk about the beautiful game. It's suppose to be fun this football lark... enjoy it because i for one would sorely miss it. The podcasts in the past with just Mark and Granville were entertaining but the scoutcast feels like you are down the pub with your mates... now who doesn't enjoy a pint and a chat about Football with the lads?

So, was told to check this HT out by a few people. Just to clarify, when you dish out criticism, should also be able to take it. (banter, whatever) This is for example to Jontys point on the cast where he said something like "where are kun owners now" or something.
One of the main reasons i stopped posting is if you dont conform, you are done mentality. Taking the position that FFS is just too important and people crave it because its too valuable is just... Anything you find here can be found on twitter for example. People pay for the website and tje people MADE you important so to speak or relevant. Without the community you are nothing. Being dismissive of it is just soo arogant its unreal. Lets have people NOT pay for membership next year and see how it works out.

It's not that I disagree with the point in principle, but making anything of this (and hulking it!) comes across as pretty petulant. The internet is full of fools, and trolls, and this shouldn't come as any surprise.

A lovely couple decided to open a pub. For many years it was homely and had a core group of regulars who frequented every night in a lovely atmosphere. A new bar manager was then appointed - the regulars generally didn't really like him, but meh, the place was still fine.

Wetherspoons then came in and made an offer to take over the pub (which included all the staff being retained) that was a no-brainer to accept.

With the introduction of "pound for a pint" and "karaoke" night and other such gimmicks, business started to boom with younger typical Wetherspoons-like clientele.

The old regulars didn't like the atmosphere of the new pub, so set up their own gentleman's club across the road. This club is much smaller, but is ticking along fine with great atmosphere and pleasant company.

The Wetherspoons is still going strong in terms of the numbers of people through the door and the takings, but it will never be the same as it was in the old days. The old regulars occasionally pop in for a quick pint still though, but the beer tastes a bit watered down to them, and there's a guy in the corner sometimes pissing on his own shoes.

I really do love you all, you know that x

I love the scoutcast , I actually convert the video to mp3 just so I can listen to it on my commute , makes the journey so much bearable. I must say I did plan to transfer Firmino to Kun but with Firminos good form and some of the comments on the scoutcast I didn’t. Can’t blame anyone but myself .