Scout Notes

How Ayoze Perez looked on his Leicester debut

Fantasy managers got their first glimpse of Ayoze Perez (£6.5m) in a Leicester City shirt on Tuesday evening as the Foxes took on Scunthorpe United in their opening pre-season friendly of the summer.

We’ll assess the mid-price Fantasy Premier League midfielder’s debut and assess how two of the promoted clubs got on in their own most-recent games.

You can read about Arsenal, Bournemouth, Burnley and Crystal Palace’s Tuesday fixtures here.

Scunthorpe United 0-1 Leicester City

  • Goal: Ayoze Perez (£6.5m)
  • Assist: Ricardo Pereira (£6.0m)

Fantasy managers who saw Tuesday’s match at Glanford Park would have been quietly encouraged by Perez’s debut.

Yes, it was only Scunthorpe United. And yes, this was Leicester’s first pre-season game, with first-teamers such as James Maddison (£7.0m) and Ben Chilwell (£5.5m) still to be reintegrated into the side in the coming weeks.

There were still promising signs, though.

One of the biggest question marks about Perez’s move to Leicester would be where he fits into Brendan Rodgers’ system.

On the face of it, little had changed from the back-end of last season.

Leicester lined up in the similar 4-1-4-1 shape that Rodgers favoured in the closing Gameweeks of 2018/19, with Marc Albrighton (£5.5m) and Perez stationed out wide.

The system resembled 4-1-2-3 at times, though, with Albrighton and Perez cutting in from their respective flanks to support Jamie Vardy (£9.0m) up front.

Perez was mostly used on the right at Scunthorpe (occasionally switching sides with Albrighton) but it was noticeable how often he cut inside and got into dangerous positions in the home box – something he regularly did at Newcastle.

The former Magpie had already gone close with two efforts before he latched onto Ricardo Pereira‘s (£6.0m) low centre to score the game’s only goal and he went close to doubling the Foxes’ lead soon after, seeing a header – again from a Ricardo cross – tipped over.

The Ricardo/Perez combination was flourishing and the Portugal international certainly seemed to thrive on the space vacated by Perez’s darts inside.

Rodgers said of the Spaniard after the game:

We have to score more goals. If we want to progress, we have to get more goals into the team, hence the idea of bringing someone like [Pérez] in.

Even tonight, when he’s not fit, he probably could have scored three goals. He just has that knack of arriving into the box to score, to get shots on target.

Perez himself said:

I get into the box as much as I can, I like to be in the box. That’s always my feeling. I’m used to playing a lot as a striker. I think that’s a part of me now.

To get into the box and find those spaces and good positions to get goals… hopefully [there’s] more to come. I’m very happy and proud of myself to score the first.

Vardy was busy and perhaps should have scored when nodding a Youri Tielemans (£6.5m) cross wide but there positive signs that both he and Perez could blossom in the same side – Vardy’s intelligent movement indeed creating space for his teammates behind him.

Tielemans was his usual productive self on the ball and, like last season, frequently cropped up on the edge of the opposition box – along with impressive youngster Khanya Leshabela – as he arrived late from midfield.

All Leicester players bar Leshabela and goalkeeper Eldin Jakupovic (£4.5m) were hooked at the interval, with Hary Maguire (£5.5m) the only real first-team regular on show in a quieter second half.

The likes of Maddison, Harvey Barnes (£6.0m) and Kasper Schmeichel (£5.0m) weren’t involved after being given extended leave following their international exertions over the summer.

Leicester City first-half XI (4-1-4-1): Jakupovic, Ricardo, Soyuncu, Evans, Fuchs, Mendy, Tielemans, Leshabela, Perez, Albrighton, Vardy.

Leicester City second-half XI (4-1-4-1): Jakupovic, Justin, Morgan, Maguire, Elder, Amartey, Ghezzal, King, Leshabela (Knight 66), Muskwe, Iheanacho.

Burton Albion 2-1 Sheffield United

  • Goal: Billy Sharp (£6.0m)
  • Assist: Enda Stevens (£5.0m)

Callum Robinson (£5.5m) made his Sheffield United debut as a 75th-minute substitute in the Tuesday night defeat to Burton Albion and looked lively in his quarter-hour showing.

The summer signing’s pace and directness were eye-catching in the final 15 minutes, with the former Preston forward – listed as a midfielder in FPL – almost teeing up Leon Clarke with a run and cross from the left before whistling a shot narrowly over himself soon after.

Billy Sharp (£6.0m) once again proved how good he is in the air – he scored more headed goals than any Championship player in 2018/19 – by nodding in Enda Stevens‘ (£5.0m) cross to give the Blades the lead but it was arguably strike partner David McGoldrick (£5.5m) who posed more of a sustained threat, chancing his arm on three occasions before seeing a second-half header ruled out for offside.

Speaking after the game, manager Chris Wilder said:

We don’t like to lose so we’re disappointed with that. They came up with that bit of magic right at the end.

But there were enough positives out there, we’ve got some more minutes under our belts, fitness-wise we’re moving in the right direction and our overall play, a couple of sloppy periods apart, was better than last time. So that’s good.

Didzy [McGoldrick], in the first quarter-of-an-hour or so, could have had a hat-trick. We created plenty against a side I respect and who are managed by someone I have huge amount of respect for as well. Now the challenge is to keep picking it up even more in our next one. We know we’ve got to keep doing that, in all aspects, with the challenge ahead of us.

The Blades lined up in their now-familiar 3-4-1-2 shape, with Chris Basham (£4.5m) demonstrating the underlapping/overlapping centre-half tactic with one surge into the Burton box that almost led to a second United goal.

Luke Freeman (£5.5m) was stationed in behind McGoldrick and Sharp and hit the bar with an early effort, while central midfielder John Fleck (£5.0m) also hit the woodwork.

For those looking at possible bench fodder options, John Lundstram (£4.0m) is a name to monitor.

Listed as a defender in FPL, the defensive midfielder – who made only five starts in the Championship last season – replaced Fleck in the second half and caught Wilder’s eye again after his promising display against Betis last Friday.

Wilder said:

I thought John Lundstram yet again impressed. He’s possibly a player that many would have thought we’d have moved on in the summer but he’s got a definite part to play.

Simon Moore (£4.5m) again played the whole 90 minutes in goal as United’s pursuit of Dean Henderson drags on.

Moore didn’t have any chance with the winner, with Burton’s Marcus Harness finding the net with a rocket from the edge of the United box.

Burton’s equaliser was a soft one from a corner, with the Blades allowing Burton’s John Brayford to turn the ball in from six yards out.

Sheffield United XI (3-4-1-2): Moore, Basham (Jagielka 62), Stearman (Egan 62), Bryan (O’Connell 62), Baldock (K Freeman 62), Fleck (Lundstram 62), Norwood (Slater 62), Stevens, L. Freeman (Duffy 62), Sharp (Robinson 75), McGoldrick (Clarke 62).

Bonner SC 1-4 Norwich City

  • Goals: Adam Idah x2, Onel Hernandez (£5.5m), Teemu Pukki (£6.5m)
  • Assists: Patrick Roberts (£5.5m), Philip Heise, Sam Byram (£4.5m), Emiliano Buendia (£6.0m)

Daniel Farke had a positive injury update on Ben Godfrey (£4.5m) after the Canaries’ behind-closed-doors friendly win over Bonner SC on Tuesday.

Godfrey had limped out of the match against Arminia Bielefeld on Saturday and was an early doubt for the Gameweek 1 clash with Liverpool but the prognosis now appears to be more positive.

The Norwich manager said:

We are pretty relieved. There is no fracture, no injury to the ligament. It was just an unbelievably painful knock at his ankle. It was swollen and has been on crutches for two days.

But today, he was already able to walk a bit and we hope to have him back pretty, pretty soon. It’s a big relief and I’m pretty delighted to be honest.

As well as Godfrey, there were a number of other enforced absentees in the 4-1 win over German fourth-tier club Bonner but none of the injuries are said to be serious.

Young striker Adam Idah led the line in front of a quartet of attacking midfielders and scored twice in the first half, first finishing a pass from Callum Roberts (£5.5m) and then turning in Philip Heise‘s cross.

With Heise at left-back and Norwich short in the centre-half department, Jamal Lewis (£4.5m) again lined up at the heart of the defence alongside Grant Hanley (£4.0m).

Right-back Sam Byram (£4.5m) made his debut as a second-half substitute and Farke had words of praise for his new signing after the match:

Sam was alright. It’s pretty difficult because it was pretty busy for him over the last couple of days. He had a long travel yesterday, he trained also this morning.

We got the feeling it was for the best, although he doesn’t have all the information about our game, to throw him into the mix.

He was there with some really good scenes, especially in the offence. He had a brilliant assist for one goal but one or two scenes in the defence that we have to work on a bit but it’s good that he was able to join us this quick. It will help him to settle in here.

Byram crossed for Onel Hernandez (£5.5m) for Norwich’s third goal before Teemu Pukki (£6.5m), on as a 75th-minute substitute, pounced on a deflected shot from Emiliano Buendia (£6.0m) to complete the scoring.

Norwich City XI (4-1-4-1): McGovern (Fährmann, 46), Aarons (Byram, 46), Hanley (c), Lewis, Heise, Leitner, Roberts (Buendia, 75), Stiepermann (Cantwell, 46), Srbeny, Hernandez, Idah (Pukki, 75).

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  1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Ederson (fodder)
    Vvd, taa, robertson, digne, laporte
    Sterling, fraser, zaha (if he stays), tielemans, siggy
    King (fodder, fodder)
    0.5 itb

    How do you feel about this setup? Probably rotate midfielders on fixtures and play five at the back, then when one doesn’t fire, sell and upgrade king.

    1. Emiliano Sala
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      If he stays ? Lol
      He will be far better at arsenal if he moves

      1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        He might be, but he won’t be a talisman. I rather him as a big fish in a small pond. Also it will take time to bed in, to sort out a system, to develop understanding. Long term maybe better at arsenal, not the start of the season for me.

        1. The 5% Team
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          he might start of slow/unmotivated if he stays maybe

          1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            That’s a fair point. Would probably drop him if he begrudgingly stays. Use the extra money to upgrade king to wilson or wait for a breakout mid.

            1. The 5% Team
              • 5 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              for me, Zaha would become interesting if he joins Arsenal...especially with those 2 opening fixtures vs Newcastle and Burnley

      2. Brosstan
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Yea Ramsey was such a great pick last year :^)

    2. dee_top
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Defence too heavy

      1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        But they are such heavy hitters. Obviously last year was unusual but they offered so much value at such limited cost.

    3. The 5% Team
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Salah is a must own for me though

      1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Salah vs sterling and i would rather have liverpool defenders.

        I hardly owned salah last year and it worked out fine. I think people just get overly attached :p

        1. YEAH PITCH!
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Don't listen to everyone else mate. Do your own thing. I too think there is a case for 3x Liverpool defence.

          1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Thanks :). Good luck to you.

            1. YEAH PITCH!
              • 5 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Cheers, you too 🙂

        2. The 5% Team
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          like you said...perfect captain material.
          Sterling does get the occasional rest day, or worse...a 15 min cameo.

  2. Emiliano Sala
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    How is it?

    Pope
    Robbo VVD Laporte Digne Zinch
    Salah Sterling Perez
    Vardy Deulofeu

    4.0 Dendonkey Wickham Hayden

    1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Rather not have zinchenko myself. Taa will topscore defenders I think so would want him.

      I’m not sure Salah and Sterling can be justified, maybe just me, because you can only captain one meaning you’re carrying the other.

      1. Emiliano Sala
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I'm still a little worried about gomez and RB !
        imagine sterling scoring a brace! (easily)
        it's 16 points.
        city got great long term fixtures
        how many times wanna hide behind the sofa ?

        1. Emiliano Sala
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          also this about salah

          1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            That is fair.

        2. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          I get that with gomez. Isn’t he going to be a cb in the end though. Taa might have hone to too high a level to develop gomez there now. But it is a fair concern.

          I find the most coins behind the sofa ;).

      2. No Professionals
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Not sure on the logic about carrying the other.

        1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          You can justify 12m on a player because you captain so points per million doubles. Every week you play someone at 12 without the captaincy they have to smash it to justify laying out that much money in them rather than distributing it more evenly (especially until the mega value players arise). I think, anyway. It’s a game about value for points after all.

          1. YEAH PITCH!
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Agree

          2. Irish Madridista ⭐
            • 13 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Personally think that Man City's ability to obliterate teams can make it worth doubling on Kun + Sterling for example, so there are exemptions to the rule.

            1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
              • 6 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              I would concede that city are the best counterpoint but would rather find their third best asset to pair with sterling (or kun) just for the spare money. Hoping bernado will deliver on his performances.

              1. Irish Madridista ⭐
                • 13 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                Love Bernardo to bits, just too scared not to go with Raheem with the way he's been progressing. Both on an upward trajectory, should be another good year for both.

                Also curious to see what Pep does about Dilva vs Bilva vs KdB with all three fit.

              2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 14 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                I think if you have Sterling & Salah And rotate the captaincy between them they can easily justify the outlay...

                Assuming no catastrophic injuries and/or black swan events - they should return somewhere around the 500 points mark between them (possibly 550) so their “net” scores (i.e. inclusive of captaincy) should be north of 1000 points....

                1000 points for 24.5 is a good deal in my books 🙂

                1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
                  • 6 Years
                  4 years, 9 months ago

                  Wouldn’t 500 between them be 750 with captaincy on one?

                  I see your point but 24.5 is a bit misleading. If you consider it as spend over minimum (4 for gk and def, 4.5 for mid and fwd) you have a real possible outlay of 36. Salah and sterling take up 15.5 of that.

                  1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                    • 14 Years
                    4 years, 9 months ago

                    Yeah fair enough it probably isn’t the full 1000 points 🙂

                    Maybe 750/800-ish but i personally don’t see a better way to spend 24.5 of your budget than on those two

                    Sterling’s net score should be around 50% of that 750 - so possibly up around the 400 mark...

                    8.0 mids just aren’t going to be contributing that type of value unless you spike some captaincy returns with them

          3. No Professionals
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            But that assumes you either own one and pretty much perma captain. Or use transfers to switch. I get the maths behind your opinion, but in reality you can't work it. 2 big hitters, captain the one in the best form with the best fixture. If you get it wrong and the other hauls, at least you get their base points.

      3. Legomané
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Easy enough to justify doubling on Kun(11)+Salah(13) last season. Salah+Sterling this season is only 0.5m more budget and between them they've returned 145 goals and assists over the past two seasons. Honestly I find it harder to think of any arguments not to have both!

        1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Except from the fact that one of them was nearly always out of form. Not saying it is easy to judge, but kun’s season was massively lifted by a few huge weeks. Also he was horrible value vs the top defenders. When you have defenders who are half the outlay getting nearly as many (and sometimes more) than any striker you surely have to go there.

          1. Legomané
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Should have clarified Kun at start of the season. Rotation with Salah was as delicious as the Mo-Rahz combo looks this season.

            I'm personally of the view that two premiums with a good cappo rotation is a must. For me, early fixtures and last two seasons point very clearly to Rahz and Mo.

            Personally I haven't had any trouble accommodating both with premium back line and a squad I'm happy with (as it stands)

            1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
              • 6 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              That sounds good. If you can fit them in without sacrificing the back that’s fine. It isn’t pure value after all. No prizes for leaving 5m in the bank.
              Captaincy rotation, like gk rotation, always screws me. I prefer to have just the one option as I can never predict.

    2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I have to say that team looks beautiful

      Personally I’d go Coleman over Zinch (or if Zinch is nailed I’d go Coleman over Laporte) and TAA over VVD, and I’d prefer King to Perez/Deulofeu - but I do acknowledge Perez & Deulofeu could both prove to be extremely destructive

      But that team ticks so many important boxes for me

      1. BigBarn
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I agree with this. Think it's a great team. Would personally do Digne to Coleman and VvD to TAA, but the structure could serve you very well, at least for a bit.

    3. Pieterke30
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      No Bournemouth attack is weird as they face SHU and Villa in first 2

  3. Whats the Mata?
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Choose one?

    A. Robertson + Coleman
    Or
    B. VVD + Digne

    Cheers 🙂

    1. Gooner97
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B

    2. Werner Bremen
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B

    3. FPL_Gyarados
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B

    4. Sune
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B.

  4. 5 at the back: A fine strategy or suspected fallacy?
    The Big Fella
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    I don't understand why people are going 5 at the back this year so much. This has happened in a few previous seasons (last one too actually) and it never works out. I have noticed it is typically the managers with lower numbers doing it too but there are some more experienced managers in on the bandwagon also. Am I missing something?

    1. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Yes, you are.

    2. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      You're not missing anything

    3. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Points per million.

      No value in an eleven million striker (or even a nine million one) unless they are your captain.

      1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Not true

        1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Go on...

          1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
            • 8 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            You don't have to own any one player for the long term

            1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
              • 6 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              No, but you end up owning quite a lot of them longish term with just a ft a week.

      2. The 5% Team
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        trying to get them at the right time is the key as well (Aguero scoring hattricks vs Arsenal and Chelsea within 10 days)

        1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Definitely. Defence more set and forget.

        2. Pep Pig
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Surely that's a lot down to skill and strategic planning. Trying to get a team out which will score the most points as and when you can without constant hits. I certainly feel 442 will be more effective than 343 this season on the whole. But 5 at the back won't last. The high scoring defenders from last year remained consistent. But midfielders and forwards especially will enter purple patches and the key will be to jump on early without worrying about losing a premium defender

    4. Brosstan
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Compare TAA and Robbo to 7.0 mids and attackers. Not hard to understand

      1. Sgt Frank Drebin
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Yeah this. 6.5 and 6.0 defenders outscore 7.0 or even 8.0 midfielders and strikers.

      2. Pieterke30
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Those I get, but not the Everton double up

        1. Brosstan
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Compare Digne to 6.0 mids and strikers. Compare Coleman to 5.5 options. Its the same train of thought. Personally I dont like Everton double up, Digne only for me.

          1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Agree with this. One is enough. Could easily flop.

          2. Pieterke30
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Well, for the same price yeah but it’s not that easy. If you go big at the back you cant go big up front. Im convinced Kane does better than King/Deulofeu etc

            1. Brosstan
              • 9 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              A bold statement 😉

          3. Eze Really?
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Same and we need Matuidi to take the place of Gueye if he goes. With Zouma out too I would even consider ovoiding both. Richa and Siggi will be ok though but about .5 too expensive.

      3. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        This

    5. Pieterke30
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Yeah Im so sick already of reading two thirds of managers here saying premium 4 or 5 at the back is the only way to go.

      Not if Kane bags a brace in GW1 and 3 while City concede at WHM and vs Spurs, and Everton dont keep a CS in their first two!

      1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        You’d still have a minimum of four million extra for the rest of your team though. Only makes sense if you captain kane, and you can only captain one a week. There’s room for a big four or five at the back and a heavy hitter elsewhere for captaincy (if you don’t trust trent ;))

        1. Pieterke30
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Id captain kane vs NEW if I had him.

          1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            But then wouldn’t you be overpaying for salah or sterling? Personally feel you can only justify one super expensive player. If you had neither though then that’s fine. But then you would have money for the premium d too.

            1. Pieterke30
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 7 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              I disagree with that - two premiums is better than one. I dont believe in perma cap, so better to be able to switch captaincy from time to time. Between your two premiums - they cost that much for a reason

            2. Pep Pig
              • 7 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              This overpaying chat is nonsense mate. You have 2 or 3 big hitters and you can only captain one. Doesn't make the other big hitters bad value that week. Just about getting fortunate and selecting the right ones. If you captain Salah yet don't want any other premiums in your team to score then it takes a lot of enjoyment out the game.

    6. Valar(Keith)
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      People seem to think that they'll keep their expensive defenders all season.. When in reality they'll end up using them as money banks to jump on the bandwagons in attack. At the end of the day we have transfers to use and some ppl forget that. Sure a 6.5 million defender will oitscofe a 6.5 million attacker over the season.. But if timed correctly transferring attackers in and out over a season based on form and fixtures is the way to go. Happens every season. Just let everyone play the way they want to play. Some ppl may have the patience to keep 5 premiums for an entire season. Personally I know I'd never be able to do that

      1. Pieterke30
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Amen, brother. Totally agree.

      2. Irish Madridista ⭐
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        This, having an expensive 5 at the back means you have a simple money bank to pull from and gives us a chance to see:

        A) which 4.5 defenders are worth it
        B) which attackers are worth it (the defenders are easier to predict from the start I feel)

        1. Pieterke30
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Those with less premium at the back also have time to see which 4.5 defs are worth it, and transfer out the 4.5 they had picked to get the best one - at the same price

          1. Irish Madridista ⭐
            • 13 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            True, I guess I personally just feel less confident picking a 4.5 defender at the moment. All comes down to the players you feel most comfortable picking, I see both sides of the argument.

        2. Valar(Keith)
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          I actually am not in favor of going premium at the back. Going 2 pool for sure.. But going with 3 cheapos. Using a premium back line as a money bank means you won't get the best value for them since they are worth it over a season not for short term gains. Again, everyone plays differently. I have a lot of patience with players like Siggy, bilva etc but I just never had the patience for a premium defender. Also rotating 3 4.5 defenders and transferring out attackers is just way more fun every week 🙂

          1. Pieterke30
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Same for me

            1. Valar(Keith)
              • 14 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Nothing like getting 6 points from a 4.5 defender :).. And there's nothing as frustrating as seeing your rival get the same points in defense as you with a 4.5 when you own a 6 million defender :).. I love rotation. Its worked for me for 10 years and il never give it up lol. 30 home games + 8 easy away games for a 4.5 defender (Rotating 3 for one spot) over a season easily matches a premium defender. But noone likes talking about that these days 🙂

          2. Irish Madridista ⭐
            • 13 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Makes sense, looking back I see I read your post wrong originally!

            Comes down to that, I'd have a lot more patience in Robbo than I would in Siggy for example, for absolutely no reason whatsoever haha

            Maybe its because I expect attacking returns from my attackers, so if a defender gets attacking returns I enjoy it a little bit more *banned shrug emoji*

            1. Valar(Keith)
              • 14 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Il probably keep 2 of Robbo, TAA, VVD all season. I agree with everyone about them.. They are just sensational.

              1. Irish Madridista ⭐
                • 13 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                Most of us probably will.

                My Digne choice is based off his insane attacking stats last year, he was even higher than the Liverpool lads.
                Coleman is pure bias towards loving the man, ended the season very strongly last year too.

                I may lose the 3rd Liverpool defender and grab a 4.5 there to allow myself a 3rd striker or 4th mid, load of time left to decide, I'll absolutely start with 4 at least at the back this year though.

                1. Valar(Keith)
                  • 14 Years
                  4 years, 9 months ago

                  In the end we all play the game differently.. Over the years I've realised this game is about understanding yourself as a manager over the actual players in your team. Good luck to you.. And whatever you choose stick to your guns and follow your plan. Once the season starts it turns into the wild West with chasing price rises and bandwagons instead of points and that's when the true test begins 🙂

      3. Pep Pig
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Nailed it Keith

    7. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I think it’s a hugely interesting question

      First of all because he notion that back 5’s are somehow “popular” is a fallacy in & of itself

      A quick check of the formation poll to the right of the page shows 91% of those polled do not intend to play a back 5. But I am one of the other 9% 🙂

      My own personal reasons are threefold

      (1) In 11 seasons I can never remember there being this lineup of defensive talent - led by the three Liverpool behemoths, backed up by Laporte and Digne, and further reinforced by several potential goldmines in Coleman, Zinchenko etc amongst many others

      (2) FPL have made outright errors in the pricing - most of these defenders are waaaaaay too cheap - I don’t know what they were smoking but I’m not complaining 🙂

      (3) he midprice attacking options are by & large (imho) more underwhelming than I can ever remember. Three of the chief protagonists - Siggy, Zaha, & Fraser - are very tricky FPL players at the best of times who require huge a,punts of patience to catch properly and for me don’t offer a huge amount more points potential than the aforementioned defenders

      (4) ok fourfold reasons - after 11 seasons of 3-4-3’s, 4-4-2’s & 3-5-2’s a back five is a welcome breath of fresh air, and the stars seem to have aligned to enable it so I for one am taking the plunge!!

      Feels good to be in the minority 🙂

      1. No Professionals
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Plus they're not really defenders. Taa, Robertson and digne are wide midfielders.

        1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Yep exactly, that's kind of an expansion of point (1)

          There is a genuinely terrifying level of scoring capability out there this season amongst the FPL defenders

          1. Pieterke30
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Not in Laporte, who you have.

            1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 14 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Maybe not in Laporte specifically (although it’s not a huge stretch to imagine him matching or exceeding last season’s score)

              But he genuinely strikes me as a better investment of 6.5 than most if not all of the similarly priced forwards - particularly given the absolutely silly level of defensive solidity his team exhibit, and his ability to nick attacking returns combined with his managers reluctance to bench him

              I totally get the arguments against - have that 6.5 striker slot and try to ensure it’s always filled with someone in form... but that’s risky biscuits and easier said than done imo

              Plus even with all that going for him Laporte is still only maybe 4th or 5th in the queue of the defs this year

              1. The 12th Man
                • 10 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                This thread needs hulking.
                Interesting debate.

      2. RedLightning
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        The poll is about 4 weeks old, starting just after the FPL launch.
        If it was taken again now I suspect that the results might be somewhat different.

        1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          So you're saying this is a golden opportunity for someone proactive in the FFS moderation community to re_advertise the poll? 😉

          1. RedLightning
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 13 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            I have suggested this to the other mods - let's see what happens!

            1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 14 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Nice one thanks 🙂

              Genuinely interested to see the update as I thought back 5’s would have been much more popular than the poll currently suggests

        2. RedLightning
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          * about 3 weeks old.

    8. DantheManinaPan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I like the discussion. My current stance is as follows:

      In the full swing of the season, I don't think 5atb will be the most viable formation - as others have mentioned, though the top defenders will almost certainly have more points than their attacking alternatives come the end of the season, we have to remember that we can chop and change our teams to follow form/fixtures, and there will be enough strong attacking players most of the time to jump on.

      However, at the start of the season, we have a lot less info about who the form players are - we have no idea who this season's Jimenez or Wilson is going to be, and rather than trying to guess, I think it's sensible to start the season with more money at the back, and get guaranteed good value out of them, and probably outscore most, but not all, similarly priced attacking players over the opening period. Once the form players have started to emerge, we can hop on, perhaps in the form of a wildcard and revert to the usual formations

      1. Andy_Social
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I'd say we do have sufficient info about the premier defenders though. Liverpool and City changed the game with over 50% clean sheets each. We can set&forget Ederson/Alisson with TAA/Robbo/VVD/Laporte or whoever we choose from that lot. I'm expecting to put out an unchanging keeper/back 5 week in week out together with Salah/Sterling and focus my transfers on following the form and fixtures of mid-price mids and strikers. It's a new world.

        1. RedLightning
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Dan the man isn't saying we don't have enough info about the premier defenders - he's saying that we don't yet know who will be this season's unexpected bargains, since last season's bargains are all now more expensive.
          So we can start with five at the back and then decide later whether or not to stick with it.

          1. Andy_Social
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            "Dan the man isn't saying we don't have enough info about the premier defenders - he's saying that we don't yet know who will be this season's unexpected bargains"

            But these are 2 separate points. We can be secure in expecting the 3 big Liverpool defenders and Laporte to finish the season with a huge haul, injuries aside.
            Of course, we don't know who the surprise packages will be.

            So there are two routes we can take: stay with the premiums all season long, knowing we'll end up with monster points, or abandon them for cheaper bandwagons that may or may not stay the course.

            1. Markus
              • 14 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Nobody is arguing against 3 premium defenders or the certainty of their returns. The difference is confidently expecting 4th and 5th defenders to outscore every 7m or under mid/fwd. If you can pick 5 7.5 or less midfielders who score 180+ (like might be clear midway through season), you play 3 atb. If you there's only 3 that you'd predict with confidence would get near to that (as might be the case pre season), you play 5 atb.

              1. Andy_Social
                • 11 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                I don't think I'm disagreeing with any of that as such. Except that for 4 specific premium defenders - TAA, Robbo, VVD and Laporte there is no question they'll outscore nearly every player more expensive than them. So that leave you punting around looking to settle on the right one or two 6.5-8m midfielders who'll score more highly.

                Now my current draft is making the huge gamble of having all 3 Pool defenders + Laporte and no Salah, allowing me an 8m, 7m and 6.5 m midfield plus forward line to play the transfer game. I've got Sterling who'll be captain most weeks, and a 5th defender who's a 5.5 whom I don't expect to be nailed in my squad.

                1. Markus
                  • 14 Years
                  4 years, 9 months ago

                  Yeah don't get me wrong I'm on 4atb with a 5/5.5m sub defender - and have ditching Salah after gw5 on the radar for similar structure. So think we're in agreement - non man city/Liv defenders is where the debate lies, at the moment it probably swings in favour of Digne et al, later it may swing towards some great cheaper or mid price mids/fwds who would be more of unpredictable punt

                  1. Andy_Social
                    • 11 Years
                    4 years, 9 months ago

                    Sounds like we're on the same page. For the 5th defender at 5.5 I'm dithering between Everton (Coleman) and possibly Man U as they're starting pre-season well.

          2. Markus
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            This 100% - optimal number of starting defenders is inversely proportional to CERTAINTY on which small handful of 7.5m or under mids/fwds score big. There almost certainly will be players in that category that score more than coleman etc, but to do so they will have to seriously outperform their mid/fwd peers in terms of value so harder to pick the right ones. Could be Pulisic, could be pukki, could be Adams, could be perez etc etc - once they are proven, they will be better pick than anyone other than pool/city defenders. If we have no idea, an extra defender is the safer option. And everywhere in between...

            Its not about pure value, its about max points.

            1. A Fat Spanish Waiter
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Amen. It’s about max points. I guarantee you the top formation in the top 1k when the season is done will not be five at the back.

              1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 14 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                Fully agree - Maximus Pointimus Importimus 🙂

    9. Splatter\\\'s Omerta
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Pretty obvious. Comes down to value. A 6m def will typically be better value than a 6m Mid or Fwd.
      So, if you can find balance in the side, there is a strong argument for 5 good defs.

    10. Man Getting Hit By Football
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I think it's already been mentioned but 5atb is a good strategy if the player is open to an early wildcard / change of formation. August is usually better for defenders & we can hand select the defenders that will score well over 4-6 gameweeks. I doubt that anyone that is playing 5atb is thinking that formation is rigid & will be able to smoothly transition into a four man defence (or a three) at a later point, but premium defenders are very attractive this year.
      I have been seriously considering a 5 man defence but have settled on a 442 currently until we have seen more from pre-season. 5atb as a short term strategy is definitely a valid way to start the season.

    11. MINUS FOUR
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      What people seem to ignore is that with 5 at the back you can still get 1-2 premiums for captaincy then focus on switching around the your remaining few budget to mid-price attacking players based on form and fixtures. It's actually easier because you only have around 3 slots 'up for grabs' so you really can jump on a bandwagon and not have to find lots of different solutions to 6-7m shaped hole.

      If you're prepared to trust your back 5 and stick with it, there is amazing value to be had. Trust doesn't mean never changing the individual defenders - if a Zinchenko loses his spot but a Davies locks down his spot at Spurs, you make the switch when you have to. With your budget spread there, all options are available.

      Then you lock in a Salah/Sterling/Kane or two, and all of a sudden you only have a few positions to use ongoing transfers on, which is actually a good thing! That's where all the action is. It's your early Moura punt to a Chelsea or Leicester mid. It's your Wilson for 2 GWs to Haller. The rest of your team is largely set and forget.

      Last season I didn't use a back 5 but I did have a fairly consistent run with my defenders where I didn't need to mess with the back line. It made it so much easier to use my transfers proactively on attacking positions.

    12. Cok3y5murf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      "It never works out."

      Not true. I started with 5 ATB two seasons ago, and it worked great for me for the first 10ish weeks. I was ahead of most people with 3 ATB. Not starting with it this year, but it can certainly work. Sometimes there are up to five defenders all consistently firing and providing good value at the same time.

    13. MINUS FOUR
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      An interesting way to look at it is to combine attacking stats with defensive clean sheets to get a total 'returns' figure over a full season. Yes a goal can be worth 4, 5 or 6 depending on position, and a CS worth 4, but assists are always worth 3 and as a broad brush approach it displays why defenders with attacking potential are so much better than budget to mid-priced mids.

      Some examples from last season (total 'returns' including goals / assists / CS for defenders):

      Robertson: 31
      TAA: 30
      VVD: 28
      Laporte: 24
      Digne: 22

      And now the highest scoring attackers up to 7m:

      Zaha: 21
      Jota: 17
      Anderson: 15
      King: 15
      Milivojevic: 14
      Maddison: 14

      Non-premium mids and forwards don't score or assist as often as we would like. In some cases, the top defenders have just as many goal involvements as similarly priced attackers, and that's before you even factor in CS and bonus points. Digne had 9 attacking returns. Redmond had 11. That's NOT including clean sheets and bonus points. The best defenders also get attacking returns, while the budget attackers don't get as many attacking returns as we need them to.

      All that said, you can still have a few of the mid-priced attackers in your team at any one time, so you're not missing out on the emerging stars / bandwagons. But you only need to find and switch between a couple of them, not 4 or 5.

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        This is a great perspective and sums things up quite neatly

      2. Markus
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        So the real comparison in your numbers is Digne at 22 returns as the first 3 are your 3atb option.

        And last year Digne or below would have needed to beat:
        Fraser
        Wilson
        Jimenez
        Sigurdsson
        All who could have been affordable alongside 2 premium options.

        There will be players like that season (Chelsea fwds/haller/leicester mids/james) who emerge, its just harder to predict now

        1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Remember Digne missed 4 games at the start of last season, had just arrived from barca, and Everton were all over the place for the first half of the season

          He's got a bit of upside to come I'd wager

          1. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Everton could quite easily be all over the place again if they don't sign a CB

            1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 14 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              They were fine without Zouma last season - they effectively kept 5 CS in the 6 games he missed

              It's Gueye who is key - if he stays their defence will be tighter than a ducks arse again

          2. Markus
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            I don't disagree with that - he could get 170 points this season. But haller/batshuayi/pulisic/perez/maddison/jota/cho/james/mkhi/martial could all get 180+ and could afford 7 of them plus 3 premium defenders, and a captain with change to spare - it's just very difficult to pick winners at this point, hence why 5atb now=yes (particularly with a marginal pick like Digne with good fixtures), over the season=no

            1. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
              • 7 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              I really don't see half of those options breaking 140 points to be honest.

              1. Markus
                • 14 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                Me neither - that's the point. If 4 of those or someone else does score highly (which every season to date 4 from that price mid/fwd cohort has), you want them in your team. +2 premiums, that's 6 forward players = max 4atb will score you most points over the season unless 5th best viable defender (ie not 4 pool) scores more than that. But if you were predicting/averaging now, you'd say that cohort had poor value comparatively as you don't know who is going to jump out from the crowd.

                1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 14 Years
                  4 years, 9 months ago

                  Is the old bird in the hand vs two in the Bush analogy though

                  Do you want Digne 's points in the hand, or an as yet unknown 7.0 ish attackers points in the Bush...

                  But I do agree there are always attacking options who will emerge

            2. MINUS FOUR
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 6 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              And all the options you mentioned are as expensive or more expensive than Digne. So already the point is moot. Could Maddison score more total points than Digne? Maybe. But he’s 1m more so he needs to. You’ve also named 7 rotation risks in a group of 10. More issues. Digne is about as reliable a source of points as you’re going to get at 6m. He will get goals and assists. He will get CS. He will get bonus points. Is it possible Batshuayi scores more fpl points? Anything is possible, but it’s highly unlikely. Can you beat Digne by constantly swapping between different 6m attackers and nailing it? Yes, but how realistic is that? And why couldn’t you simply have those 6m attackers at the right times as well as Digne all season? It’s 5 atb not 10 atb. You still have room for in form budget mids and forwards with good fixtures.

        2. MINUS FOUR
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Yes there will be players like that this season. Will you know who they are from start to finish? Will there be more than just a few of them (because if there are around 2-3 such players you can have them all sad well as a high value 5 at the back).

          It’s harder to predict which is why 5atb can work before Wildcard. You can always change formation, it’s really not that hard. And you can also transfer in obvious breakout mids and forwards. Having 5atb doesn’t mean you can’t get this season’s Fraser, Wilson or Jiménez. It means you only need to find those 2-3 gems, plus 5atb, plus 1-2 captaincy options.

      3. asquishypotato
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Really good way of looking at it.

        I’ll still only go for 4atb with 3 premiums.

      4. A Fat Spanish Waiter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Here is a slightly different way to think about all of this:

        If you had an unlimited budget, what starting formation would you play? I hope everyone says 3-4-3 or 3-5-2. Why? because the points are at the front.

        However, that isn't reality. We have a limited budget, and this year, the value is at the back... or at least we think it is. You can definitely make the case that 5 atb is the way to go, and if you try to build a team using RMT, 5 atb is the way to maximize points.

        That could change though. If city or pool start to get leaky, or if some of the mid-priced forward/mids start finding form, that calculation will change materially. In addition, as team values rise, the natural points-maximizing formation will shift away from five at the back.

        You can make the case that 5 at the back is the way to go, but if I was a betting man (and I am), I would bet that the majority of the top 1k this season don't use 5 atb very much at all.

    14. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I am doing it starting 4-3-3 treble liverpool defence and Coleman,
      Azpilecueta on the bench.
      That is where the value is for me this season particularly with those opening two fixtures,
      It is just another way of getting points.

      1. POLSKA GOLA
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Are you not tempted by 4.5m Zappacosta rather than Azpi? I’m monitoring preseason, if Azpi plays CB I don’t think I’m interested but a 4.5 fullback at Chelsea could be gold

        1. Markus
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Azpi playing rb, was just while players returned he filled in at cb

        2. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          I monitoring all chelsea players I think there is value all over the pitch with them once they get a settled side.

    15. Bird Raymond
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      It's like the old cliche about politics where you are left wing in your youth, move to the centre in middle age and are right wing in old age.

      When the fixtures are released in the balmy summer weather with new season optimism and wanting to try something different 5 at the back seems like a great idea. Then we realise 5 at the back is a bit much and change to 4 at the back in maybe a 433. Then on deadline day we go for a good old 343!

      1. Andy_Social
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Not true. We're living in a new world of political extremes and CityPool dominance. New realities call for new rules.

        1. POLSKA GOLA
          • 10 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Agreed about the new times and new measures but 442 seems the way to go for me.
          4 set and forget at the back plus two premium mids leave 2 mid and 2 forward spots to find the form players. I think that’s best way to have some flexibility

          1. Andy_Social
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Yeah, that sounds good. This is the point some are not getting - you don't chop and change your premium defenders, so your transfer activity is focused on just 4 or 5 players.

    16. the Penman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Simply: people are seeing those defenders as being OOP midfielders. Hence better value for their price point compared to FPL midfields.

      Whether they're thinking about the opportunity cost further up the field is academic - that's why they're popular for a big back 5.

    17. Andy Unsocial
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      5-3-2 is a good option to start with especially those who are looking to play the early wildcard.I just think it's a very safe option to start with 5 defenders and clean sheets are easier to predict.Yes,it's not sustainable but for the start it could easier to predict.Also I think these days defenders are not just about cleansheets,so fielding five defenders who can get attacking returns is not a bad idea.
      This is my back 5 to start with until the first international break when I play the WC.

      TAA Robbo Digne Zinchenko Holebas

  5. dee_top
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Some thoughts about my teamdraft?

    Ryan
    Laporte VVD Trent Digne
    Salah Sterling Siggy Zaha
    King Deeney
    Subs: Button, Kelly, Stephens, Greenwood

    Would be very appreciated!

    1. alfast1c
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Great team according to me. Except maybe Deeney > Wilson and Laporte to Walker. What u think ?

    2. Annie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      not sure about Everton midfield double up

  6. dee_top
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Trent or Robbo?

    1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Trent

    2. Gooner97
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Trent

    3. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Robbo for me but it's a coin toss

    4. All For One
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Trent

    5. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Trent

    6. Pieterke30
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Virgil Trobbo

  7. Whats the Mata?
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Punting on a 5.5m City defender (Stones/Zinchenko) until my 1st WC.

    Community Shield will tell us more about it, but assuming one of them is nailed, this is my gw1 squad:

    Pope
    VVD - TAA - Digne - Stones/Zinchenko
    Siggy - Salah - Sterling - Perez
    Wilson - Deulofeu

    4.0 - Dendonker - Greenwood - Kelly

    Thoughts?

    1. The 5% Team
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      yes I like it (with Zinch)
      personally would go for Richa over Siggy

    2. George Sillett
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      With Zinchenko it's the same as many other teams. Safe.

  8. zon
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    One without Salah. Yay or nay?

    Pope
    Robbo TAA Zinchenko Digne
    Sterling KDB Siggy Zaha
    Wilson Haller

    4.0 Origi Dendoncker Kelly

    1. POLSKA GOLA
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      If you don’t have Mo you need Kane or Auba for captain options

      1. Andy_Social
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I think perma-captain Raheem is a decent strategy.

  9. Depldax
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    First troll of the season prediction ?

    1. Limited & Mediocre Mana…
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      VAR

      1. The 5% Team
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        good shout
        we had it last season in Dutch Eredivisie...gonna some very interesting/funny moments 🙂

    2. The 5% Team
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Vardy blanking in the first 4 GWs

      * I miss Hazard

      1. Pieterke30
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Not gonna happen

    3. Pieterke30
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Wilson if I get him in

    4. Brosstan
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Siggy while Rich hauls

    5. LangerznMash
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Siggy to miss a penalty and blank.

    6. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Norwich goal.

    7. Jimmy Boy
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Felipe Anderson most definitely

      1. Jimmy Boy
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Frustrating both because of obvious reasons and because it would sweep up those Laporte, Zinch, Ederson, Mendy, etc clean sheets

  10. Kushal
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A. wilson, perez, felipe.A, ake
    Or
    B. King deulofeu siggy awb

    Please suggest

    1. ★Kuntheman★
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Wilson>>King
      Perez>Deulofeu
      Siggy>>Felipe A
      AWB>Ake

      I lean B

    2. Yoshimiwinz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A) but Zaha over Fanderson

  11. Rigid Digit
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    De Bruyne or Siggurdsson?
    Just done Vardy to Haller (yes I'm being hopeful) - spare cash in the bank could lead to upgrade.

    Midfield is:
    Salah Sigurdsson Maddison Brooks Dendonker

    but could be
    Salsh De Bruyne Teilemans (or Perez) Brooks Dendonker (or 5.0/5.5)

    So, in keeping with tradition: A or B
    (please show your workings)

    1. ★Kuntheman★
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      So Siggy+Maddison vs De Bruyne+Tielemans

      De Bruyne outscores Siggy, Maddison outscores Tielemans

      So unless your forward is Aguero, I'm picking KDB for City coverage

      1. Pieterke30
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Would rather have Siggy and Maddison +1.0 than KDB and Tielemans!! Every day of the week

      2. Rigid Digit
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Only City is Walker (at the moment) - possibly be Zinchenko or Stones (or even Maguire?) by the time the season starts

        My plan is - De Bruyne in, and if he is misfiring, sitting too deep to do any real damage, or injured, it's a simple switch (downgrade to Siggy)

  12. Diaby Does Gallas 22
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Gunn / Dubravka
    VVD, Digne, Robertson, Pereira (Rico)
    Salah, Sterling, Perez, Brooks (Dendonker)
    Wilson, Deulofeu (Greenwood)

  13. ★Kuntheman★
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Which team looks better?

    A)
    Ryan (McGovern)
    Taa Vvd DIGNE Zinchenko Kelly(BOU)
    Salah Sterling Perez (DENDONCKER, HAYDEN)
    KANE KING (Greenwood)

    B)
    Ryan (McGovern)
    Taa Vvd COLEMAN Zinchenko (RICO)
    Salah Sterling SIGURDSSON FRASER Perez
    HALLER (Greenwood, Wickham)

    1. ★Kuntheman★
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      KELLY 😉

    2. Pieterke30
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A

    3. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A is same as mine, you have 0.5 ITB

      1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Or is it 2 4.5 keepers?

        1. ★Kuntheman★
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Kelly from BOU is 4.5. A has 0.0 ITB.

          1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Ah thought it was Kelly Palace. Didn't read properly.

            Swap Kelly for A.Smith and that's my exact team

            1. ★Kuntheman★
              • 8 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Haha it seems a little too easy that's why I'm flirting with other ideas. But it seems a great way of fitting Kane+Salah+Sterling, two LIV defense, and Digne+Zinchenko. I just don't like relying on Perez and King that much, I'd love to fit in Siggy but I can't without downgrading my defense

  14. Dynamic Duos
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    How is this? Its abit different, but I kinda like it.

    Kepa
    Coleman VVD Dunk Zinchencko
    Salah KDB Siggy Perez
    Aubameyang Wilson

    Button Greenwood Dendoncker Kelly

    1. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Not too different, nice team.

      I'd be worried Greenwood doesn't start the season and drops in price, and not 100% sure on Dunk but neither are particularly bad choices.

      1. Dynamic Duos
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers mate , there is Diop and Cathcart at 4.5m I like to.

    2. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      It's good. This is just my opinion but i think Sterling is more essential than Salah until GW13. He has better fixtures, fixtures where he could score some big hauls. Personally, i'd rather Sterling and TAA over Salah and Zinchenko.

      1. Dynamic Duos
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Thats is an extra mil though i think .

        1. Drip Doctor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Would downgrade Kepa then.

  15. Drip Doctor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    All these people going big at the back, and they still have Pope and a 4.0 in goal. SMH.

    1. Pieterke30
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      What does SMH stand for?
      Honest question.

      1. Drip Doctor
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Shaking my head.

      2. Herman Toothrot
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Salah, Mane, Henderson

    2. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Go on so, who do you have in nets?

    3. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Because they want attacking returns from their defenders...

      Though i do have ederson too...

    4. A19
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      The gap between a 4.5 and a premium keeper is usually smaller than between cheap and premium Def

    5. Valar(Keith)
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Ya what noobs.. Wanting the highest scoring 4.5 million priced players in the game virtue of saves and baps

    6. sully29
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      From a value point of view that makes sense, I think.

    7. Carlton P
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      What is your issue with Pope and 4.0? If they are going ‘big at the back’ does that mean they have to get an expensive gk??

    8. Brosstan
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Cheap goal keepers offer more value than expensive goalkeepers. Expensive defenders offer more value than cheap defenders. Its completely logical.

  16. Herman Toothrot
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    352 1.0itb

    Foster
    Digne // VVD // Zinchenko
    Salah // Sigurdsson // Fraser // Bernardo // Perez
    Kane // Origi

    4.0 // Dunk // Kelly // Greenwood

    Will likely use the 1.0 on Origi to the 6.5 of choice for GW2

    1. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Same advice as i've given above. Sterling > Salah until GW13.

      1. The 5% Team
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        but a bit more rotation for Sterling / City (last season: of the first 9 matches, Sterling got rested/rotated in 2 of them)

  17. Irish Madridista ⭐
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    5 at the back draft

    Burnley
    Robbo - TAA - VvD - Coleman - Digne
    Sterling - Brooks - Perez
    Kun - Vardy
    (Woodman - 4.5 - 4.5 - 4.5)

    Would love an extra 0.5 to punt on Lacazette instead of Vardy.
    Might still chicken out and do TAA + Sterling -> Laporte + Salah

    1. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      If Pope vs Heaton is still unclear, he becomes Krul probably. Plenty of save potential there with their expansive style of play!

      1. Ask Yourself
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Norwich just signed Fahrmann on loan !!!

        1. Irish Madridista ⭐
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Ahhh interesting, one to watch out for! Plenty of time left to see who's in between the sticks for my team anyways 🙂

      2. George Sillett
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Quickly copies this.

        1. Irish Madridista ⭐
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          *shakes fist and changes team to 3-4-3*

    2. Kimmich
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Digne > Zinch + Vardy > Laca?

      Don’t know how much you value Digne.

      1. Irish Madridista ⭐
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Quite highly 🙂

        Also, although Zinchenko is a good pick to start the year, feel like it's yet another transfer I'm signing myself up for. Would rather a set and forget defence at least with the doubts in my midfield. Appreciate the thought though!

  18. sirmorbach
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Might be a rather stupid question but I'm not Englishman and it is hard for me sometimes to keep up with all thr starting XIs from Brazil

    The question is: Madds, Tielemans, Pérez; they all fit together? Or more minutes for one implies less for other?

    1. sirmorbach
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Not an*

    2. Kimmich
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Should all play. Perez RW, Mads AM, Tielemans CM

      1. sirmorbach
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks, Joshua!

  19. Drip Doctor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    What if, Leroy Sane is back in favour... what if.

    1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      More tap ins for raheem 😀

    2. SHOOTER MCGINN
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      That would shake things up. I could be tempted.

    3. Pieterke30
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      If he starts every game Id rather have him than KDB, or Sterling - 2.5.

      But he wont, so...

  20. Obi Wan Elokobi
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Do not understand this hype for defenders. Midfielders and Striker usually score better than defenders

    1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Have you sorted by points? 😉

    2. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      They do, for double the price 😀

    3. Valar(Keith)
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      If I was in a dead team league I'd understand it. However with 38 transfers and 2 WCs the logic kinda falls flat I agree 🙂

  21. Lucky Z
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    How to upgrade with 1.5ITB?

    Ryan [Button]
    TAA Robertson Laporte Digne Ake
    KDB Salah Siggy Tielemans [Jorginho]
    Wilson [4.5 4.5]

    Can go for Vardy with Ake Tielemans 4.5 => Kelly Den Vardy

    1. VanDijksToWatchOutFor
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I prefer Wilson for the first two. Could do it after though. Hold it and use when there is more clarity. Gives you good flexibility from a strong side.

  22. A19
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Pretty settled on my team but still have one main dilemma basically Vardy VS KDB

    A) KDB Perez Che (4.5 Def)
    B) Vardy Zaha Brooks (4.0 Def)

    I have Salah Sterling and King

  23. Drip Doctor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Call me crazy but i think Leno will offer good value this season at 5.0m starting price. Especially with Arsenals home fixtures until GW15.

    1. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Yep could do. I'd have expected him to be 5.5 before prices were released. Still, Arsenal are Arsenal and he'll be as infuriating as he is good value ha

    2. The 5% Team
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      but will he outscore Fabianski over a season?

  24. DAZZ
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Sorry i’m late its probably been discussed many times, is there an article anywhere or a HT with potential 4.0 - 4.5 bargain buys with chances of starting?

  25. DAZZ
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Also can you justify spending an additional 1.5 on Wilson over King? Especially when King takes penalties. Wilson owners, why?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Just scored 2 goals.

    2. bryant
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      similar ppm to kane and auba, 5.6 vs 5.7

      1. Pieterke30
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Last season, yeah. Which was Kane’s worst season in a while.

        1. bryant
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          5.9 the season before
          217 pts 37 apps(2 of them sub)

          1. bryant
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            16/17 only season he broke 6 ppm although it was by some margin

        2. BigBarn
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Auba was the highest-scoring forward in the game. I don't understand your point. Statistically, Wilson is/was better value than King. Both are decent value for their respective prices.

    3. Netley Lucas
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I would argue the margin could have been greater based on ppm and points. Wilson is edging towards top striker quality whereas King remains a decent 6.5. There is a gulf in class which may or may not be proven over the short-term.

    4. DAZZ
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      All fair points. Im currently on Wilson, just based on what i seen from him last season, he generally poses more of a threat than King

  26. LangerznMash
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    £15.5m to spend on two midfielders.
    I'm on Siggy and Fraser but not happy with it. My gut is saying they will fail.

    1. Pieterke30
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Id be happy with it. They wont fail.

    2. Jack Burton
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Should be ok

    3. Valar(Keith)
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      They won't suddenly stop producing.. Just don't expect points every week. Keep them for their brilliant fixture runs and swap them out when they are over. The worst mistake is swapping them out after 1 or 2 blanks and then seeing them score a goal while the player you brought in blanks lol. In the end everything averages out over a season

    4. Old Bull
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      See whether you still have that gut feeling 4 weeks in.

    5. Kimmich
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      KdB + Doucouré
      Richarlison + Ozil,

      Some different combos.

    6. LangerznMash
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Cheers folks.
      I'll monitor preseason but think it's important to go with your gut.
      I'd much prefer Pogba to Siggy but it's tricky to pick an outstanding £7.0m

  27. bryant
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    anyone else thinking the sheffield keeper whoever it may be (moore i think) will get a crazy amount of saves

    1. Old Bull
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Almost certainly

    2. Netley Lucas
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Beginning with one from the spot by King?

  28. Kimmich
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Would you ditch one of the premiums for upgrades elsewhere?

    Pope
    VVD - Coleman - Zinchenko - L.Kelly (Targett)
    Salah - Sterling - Perez - Brooks (Dendoncker)
    Kane - Haller (Greenwood)

  29. Across
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Hello. Do you know why Deeney missed today match against Ajax?

    Thanks for answers and have a good day/night. (:

  30. sirmorbach
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A. Digne, Pérez
    B. Coleman, Madds

    I feel like you're all gonna say A, but the thing is: I'm a huge fan of Madds. But maybe it is precisely because of that that I'm biased. What do you say?

    1. Yoshimiwinz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Perez will get into the box more, therefore, scoring more goals.

      1. sirmorbach
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I do appreciate it!

    2. Bullet Eder
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A easily

      1. sirmorbach
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        That settles it. Thanks mate!