Scout Notes

Goals for Sterling and Jota as Wan-Bissaka exhibits attacking threat

There were five Premier League teams in action early on Wednesday afternoon, with Manchester City, West Ham United, Newcastle United and Wolverhampton Wanderers all taking part in the Premier League Asia Trophy and Manchester United facing Leeds United in Australia.

We’ll round up the main Fantasy talking points in the Scout Notes article below, while the updated pre-season minutes spreadsheet can be viewed here.

West Ham United 1-4 Manchester City

  • Goals: Mark Noble (£5.0m) | David Silva (£7.5m), Lukas Nmecha, Raheem Sterling (£12.0m) x2
  • Assists: Felipe Anderson (£7.0m) | Adrian Bernabe, Leroy Sane (£9.5m), Kevin De Bruyne (£9.5m)

Raheem Sterling (£12.0m) took less than half an hour of his first appearance of pre-season to remind Fantasy managers of his goalscoring credentials.

With Sergio Aguero (£12.0m) and Gabriel Jesus (£9.5m) on an extended break following their participation in the Copa America, Sterling led the line for City in the second half of their meeting with West Ham and recorded a brace as Pep Guardiola’s side emerged as 4-1 winners.

Introduced off the bench at the interval, the England international raced on to a Leroy Sane (£9.5m) pass to slot in his first goal and was then teed up by fellow substitute Kevin De Bruyne (£9.5m) to cap off City’s victory.

Pep Guardiola gave youth a chance in the first half, with David Silva (£7.5m), Aymeric Laporte (£6.5m) and debutant Rodri (£5.5m) effectively the only first-team regulars on show – although Claudio Bravo (£5.0m), Danilo (£5.0m) and new signing Angelino (£5.0m) were also handed run-outs.

The left-back position is perhaps the most difficult to call in Guardiola’s squad but Angelino didn’t get his second spell at City off to the best of starts, struggling against Felipe Anderson (£7.0m) down the West Ham right and conceding the penalty from which Mark Noble (£5.0m) converted.

Oleksandr Zinchenko (£5.5m) replaced the Brazilian full-back in the second half, with the absent Benjamin Mendy (£6.0m) reportedly still receiving treatment for a knee injury.

David Silva, in his final year at City, pulled his side level with a superbly taken goal from an equally excellent pass by winger Adrian Bernabe before Lukas Nmencha won and converted a spot-kick to put Guardiola’s side in front.

The cavalry arrived at half-time with Sterling, De Bruyne, Sane and Bernardo Silva (£8.0m) all thrown on and there was no surprise that City looked more potent as a result, with Sane, in particular, catching the eye down the left flank.

The German winger has been linked with a move away from Eastlands this summer but Guardiola – as one would expect – was full of praise for his mercurial midfielder:

He’s a great player with incredible quality. I want people to want to stay here – the club is there so the desire to have him is always there. The club made him an offer for the past year. I have said many times that we want people to be happy here and we want to help him to reach his potential.

Rodri won’t appeal to many Fantasy managers but he had a decent enough debut in the ‘Fernandinho (£5.5m) role’, earning praise from his manager after the game:

He is a young, typical defensive midfielder who thinks very quickly. I hope he is here for a long time. Rodrigo is tall, which for a short side like ours is very good. He is great at set-pieces but we didn’t buy him for that. Ever since we arrived here we have tried to buy players who are 21, 22 or 23 years old. [Rodri] is a Spain national team player and there they call him ‘the next Busquets’. I think he is a very good player.

With De Bruyne and Ilkay Gundogan (£5.5m) on the field either side of Rodri, Bernardo was again pushed forward into a front three alongside Sterling and Sane – food for thought, perhaps, for any FPL managers considering the Portuguese midfielder as a cut-price route into the City midfield.

The summer signings of Sebastian Heller (£7.5m) and Pablo Fornals (£6.5m) have given cause for optimism at West Ham and there are a number of their Fantasy assets who appeal early in the season, with the Hammers top of our Season Ticker from Gameweeks 2 to 12.

This was perhaps a reminder of the work still to be done in east London but there were positives to take away from this defeat, with Anderson, in particular, impressing in attack.

The busy Michail Antonio (£7.0m) was again ‘out of position’ as a central striker before being replaced by Javier Hernandez (£6.0m) at the break although the midfielder’s run up front is surely coming to an end following the capture of Haller.

Manuel Pellegrini still namechecked Antonio, however, when discussing his new signing and his striking options this season:

So we needed to find a new one [a striker], we have different options now. He is not only a box player, he will play well outside of the box. It will be his first season in England and I know he will be a good striker for our team. We also have Michail Antonio, Javier Hernandez too.

Manuel Lanzini (£6.5m) also caught the eye cutting in off the left flank, with Jack Wilshere (£5.0m) perhaps the placeholder for when Fornals is match-fit following his exertions at the European Under-21 Championship.

The strength of Pellegrini’s first-half XI was arguably an early indication of who he might favour for Gameweek 1, although the likes of Lukasz Fabianski (£5.0m), Fabian Balbuena (£4.5m), Fornals and Heller, of course, are still to be integrated into the team.

The Hammers were unsurprisingly not as much of a threat after the break as their second-string players were given a run-out and Pellegrini highlighted the contrast between the two halves after full-time:

I think that was a clear game of two different matches of 45 minutes. In the first half, we played well and created chances in their box but then we conceded two goals in two minutes and, of course, when you are playing against Manchester City you cannot afford to concede those goals. In the second half, they improved a lot when they changed some players, while we wanted to give some minutes to some players and we had some players who have just returned from long injures, so they made a difference. Also, I thought we made some mistakes in our defending and they capitalised. I was happy with the offensive system and the way we played in our attacking, yes, because we created more chances than Manchester City, but we must be more concentrated in our defending.

Defending was an issue last season, with only relegated Fulham and Huddersfield recording fewer clean sheets than the Hammers.

 
On this evidence, there is still much to be addressed and it’s stating the obvious to say West Ham’s attacking assets appeal more than their defence.
 
Pellegrini added:

We are working on our technical side and it’s important that we have Wilshere, Lanzini and Yarmolenko this season as we didn’t have them for long periods last season due to injury. With them, we will have more balance in midfield and I think we are going to be a good attacking team. We are going to create chances, but we need to improve our defending.

Manchester City XI (4-3-3): Bravo, Danilo (Walker 63′), Harwood-Bellis, Laporte (Stones 63′), Angelino (Zinchenko 63′), Rodri (Aleix Garcia 71′), David Silva (De Bruyne 46′), Doyle (Gundogan 63′), Bernabe (Sane 46′), Poveda-Ocampo (Bernardo Silva 46′), Nmecha (Sterling 46′).

West Ham United XI (4-2-3-1): Roberto, Fredericks (Zabaleta 62′), Diop, Ogbonna (Reid 68′), Johnson (Cresswell 62′), Rice (Sanchez 46′), Noble (Obiang 62′), Lanzini (Diangana 62′), Wilshere (Snodgrass 46′), Felipe Anderson (Yarmolenko 46′), Antonio (Chicharito 46′).

Wolverhampton Wanderers 4-0 Newcastle United

  • Goals: Diogo Jota (£6.5m) x2, Morgan Gibbs-White (£5.0m), Tom Allan own-goal
  • Assists: Jonny (£5.5m) x2, Leander Dendoncker (£4.5m), Ruben Vinagre (£4.5m)

Diogo Jota (£6.5m) hit a first-half brace as Wolves demolished a dismal Newcastle United in their Premier League Asia Trophy semi-final on Wednesday.

Jota produced a smart finish from the edge of the box after collecting a Jonny (£5.5m) pass to open the scoring, later capitalising on an error from Isaac Hayden (£4.5m) to score his second and Wolves’ third.

The Portugal under-21 international, carrying on where he left off at the end of 2018/19, looked sharp in a 65-minute showing and was again deployed as a striker in Nuno Espirito Santo’s now-familiar 3-5-2.

Speaking after the match, the Portuguese attacker said:

Scoring goals always gives you an extra boost in terms of confidence and you have to take advantage of that and keep working hard to be 100 per cent for the first match. For the second goal, I tried to react fast to the loss of the ball. Fortunately, I scored and it was good for me and the team that we were able to make it 3-0 very soon.

In the absence of Raul Jimenez (£7.5m), who was handed a breather following his exertions in the CONCACAF Gold Cup this summer, Jota was paired up front by an ‘out of position’ Morgan Gibbs-White (£5.0m).

Wolves will surely recruit a backup striking option this summer but it was interesting that Santo turned to Gibbs-White as a makeshift forward with Jimenez unavailable.

That said, had Matt Doherty (£6.0m) not been injured and Adama Traore‘s (£5.0m) services not been needed at wing-back, then the speedy Wolves utility man may have been given the nod alongside Jota instead.

Gibbs-White found the back of the net in between Jota’s two strikes, with Jonny collecting another assist.

The newly reclassified FPL forward said of his partnership with Gibbs-White:

It was different, Raul plays in a different style, Morgan isn’t as strong as Raul is, but we linked together very well and tried to do the best we can.

Santo added on Gibbs-White:

He did well. It’s not his natural position but he gives certain things and this is the versatile players that we have and that we must have because we are a short squad, we want to maintain, so players must do more than one position on the pitch.

Except for the missing Jimenez and Doherty, Wolves were pretty much at full strength and their extra week of pre-season – their Europa League campaign begins next week – was telling as they swatted aside the rudderless Magpies.

The regular back three of Willy Boly, Conor Coady and Ryan Bennett (all £5.0m) were handed 90 minutes each, while the now first-choice midfield three of Leander Dendoncker (£4.5m), Ruben Neves (£5.5m) and Joao Moutinho (£5.5m) played the bulk of the game.

Dendoncker caught the eye and it was from his run and cross that Jota scored his second, while the all-action Jonny excelled from wing-back.

Traore hasn’t always convinced (from a defensive perspective, anyway) when asked to deputise for Doherty on the opposite flank but he was another to impress in Nanjing on Wednesday.

Bennett said of his teammate:

Adama’s done brilliantly, I think he’s been spot on and you can’t fault him at all. You talk to him, the manager speaks to him and everything that everyone says, he really wants to learn. He just takes it on board. Tracking back is a bit unusual for him but he’s got stuck in. Then when he gets the ball he’s devastating, so we need to try and give it to him as much as we can. His attacking threat is unbelievable.

As for Newcastle, who appointed Steve Bruce as manager shortly before the game, this was an entirely predictable defeat ahead of what potentially could be a very difficult season.

While Wolves had the advantage of being further down the line with their training regime and United named several second-string players in their starting XI, there was no mitigating the gulf in class between the two clubs.

Stand-in manager Ben Dawson couldn’t call on the Magpies’ potent front three of last season for various reasons – Miguel Almiron (£6.0m) is on a break after international duty, while Ayoze Perez (£6.5m) and Salomon Rondon are no longer on the books – and Newcastle were limp in attack, barely mustering a shot of note.

Having been reclassified as an FPL defender this summer, Matt Ritchie (£5.5m) was stationed on the left wing but, with Newcastle in disarray, there’ll likely be few Fantasy managers interested in the first few Gameweeks of the season (and beyond) despite the ‘out of position’ tag and set-piece responsibilities.

Having posed little threat in attack, the Magpies were also wobbly at the back and Wolves’ fourth strike, a comical own-goal from youngster Tom Allan from a Ruben Vinagre (£4.5m) corner, summed up their afternoon.

Newcastle United XI (4-5-1): Darlow (Woodman 46′), Sterry (Manquillo 46′), Clark (Watts 59′), Lascelles (Fernández 46′), Lazaar (Bailey 63′), Murphy (Allan 63′), Hayden, Colback (M. Longstaff 63′), Shelvey (Ki Sung-yueng 59′), Ritchie (Aarons 55′), Muto (Sorensen 63′).

Wolves XI (3-5-2): Rui Patricio (Ruddy 46′), Adama (Perry 65′), Bennett, Coady, Boly, Jonny (Vinagre 65′), Neves (Taylor 81′), Moutinho (Cundle 81′), Dendoncker (Hong Wan 81′), Gibbs-White (Sanderson 65′), Jota (Ennis 65′).

Manchester United 4-0 Leeds United

  • Goals: Mason Greenwood (£4.5m), Marcus Rashford (£8.5m), Phil Jones (£5.0m), Anthony Martial (£7.5m)
  • Assists: Aaron Wan-Bissaka (£5.5m), Scott McTominay (£5.0m), Andreas Pereira (£5.0m), Tahith Chong (£4.5m)

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has teased the prospect of budget FPL forward Mason Greenwood (£4.5m) being involved in the Gameweek 1 clash with Chelsea.

Speaking after the 4-0 win over Leeds United in Perth, the Norwegian said:

He’s got a chance to start that one, definitely. He’s more than capable. He’ll always be there in and around the box, creating chances, and I won’t say that’s not a possibility. No, it’s a good possibility if he keeps going as he does. It’s difficult to keep players out who perform well.

Greenwood had lined up on the right flank of a 4-2-3-1 for United’s latest pre-season friendly success, in what was unquestionably the stronger of the two teams that Solskjaer sent out in either half.

The teenage forward opened his United account with the game’s opening goal on seven minutes, tucking in Aaron Wan-Bissaka‘s (£5.5m) low cross following fine work from Paul Pogba (£8.5m) in midfield.

Solskjaer said of Greenwood after full-time:

Of course, we’ve been delighted with the goal he scored. It’s important for scorers to get that goal, even though I’ve always said we know he’s capable of scoring goals. The first one is going to be a weight off his shoulders. I think with his movement and his cleverness, he’s going to be a very good player, the young boy. He can play all of the front-three positions, or across the front four, as he can play no. 10, no. 7, no. 11 and no. 9. He’s a natural footballer with his left foot, coming in, but he’s got two feet and can play anywhere along the front. He’s just a natural. When he takes a penalty with his right, then takes a penalty with his left, free-kicks with his left, free-kicks with his right. He is almost what you’d call 50-50, maybe 51-49 left-footed. You can see we’ve got a talented boy there and he’s every opportunity to make it as a Manchester United player. Of course, it’s also going to be about luck. He must stay clear of injuries, be professional and I’m sure he’s going to grab his chance. Everything is there for him.

Greenwood was part of a lively front four for United in the first half, with Daniel James‘ (£6.0m) searing pace causing problems on the opposite flank – although the summer signing from Swansea was still a mixed bag when it came to end product.

Juan Mata (£6.5m) looked better in what is clearly his best position in the hole but it was some Fantasy favourites of 2018/19 who perhaps warranted the most attention.

Marcus Rashford (£8.5m) made it two goals from two games when scoring United’s second, racing onto Scott McTominay‘s (£5.0m) pass and producing some nimble footwork before firing low past Kiko Casilla.

Rashford had earlier hit the post and looked sharp as the spearhead of the attack, with United’s speed on the break and ferocity of pressing a refreshing antidote to the one-pace team of 12 months ago.

The England striker said after full-time:

There’s a lot to improve on still but, for us, it’s about getting the pictures in our heads. It’s been a while since we’ve been a real pressing team and I feel that now, in this pre-season, we’ve laid down the fundamentals of how we’re actually going to press. The first game against Perth, the way we pressed in the first half was brilliant. It’s tough going for 90 minutes but we’ll improve and we’ll get better at it.

Wan-Bissaka impressed up and down the right flank, displaying more attacking threat than we have become accustomed to seeing at Palace.

We voiced concerns about Wan-Bissaka’s assist potential in our recent Moving Target article because of the fact that United funnelled most of their play down the left-hand side of the pitch last season: no coincidence given that Pogba, so heavily involved when the Red Devils have possession, was mostly stationed in that zone.

We have seen the Frenchman on the opposite side of central midfield in pre-season, though, which could boost Wan-Bissaka’s Fantasy appeal significantly.

The pair’s respective roles in Greenwood’s goal underscored the impact Pogba could have.

The supposedly wantaway France international was nearing something like top form in this encounter although the fact that he seems set to play as part of a deeper central midfield two in future will be off-putting to some Fantasy managers.

Still, Pogba got forward to have several cracks at goal from the edge of the Leeds box and whistled a free-kick narrowly wide too.

Solskjaer changed all 11 players at half-time, with Anthony Martial (£7.5m) leading the line in the second half and scoring from the spot after a foul on Tahith Chong (£4.5m).

Phil Jones (£5.0m) had added a third before Martial’s penalty, nodding in an Andreas Pereira (£5.0m) corner.

David de Gea (£5.5m), Luke Shaw (£5.5m) and Romelu Lukaku (£8.5m) all missed out with minor problems and Solskjaer didn’t seem unduly concerned after full-time, saying:

David just fell ill today so he didn’t feel right. We’ll wait until the Inter Milan game [on Saturday] for him. They’re not ready, the others, either [Lukaku, Shaw and Lee Grant]. Of course, it’s not ideal when you miss a training session and he [Lukaku] was missing towards the end of yesterday’s session. He missed the game again and it’s two chances to play 45 minutes at this stage of the pre-season. It’s important for everyone to get fit and hopefully, he’ll be available soon.

Manchester United first-half XI (4-2-3-1): Romero, Wan-Bissaka, Bailly, Lindelof, Rojo, McTominay, Pogba, Greenwood, Mata, James, Rashford.

Manchester United second-half XI (4-2-3-1): J. Pereira, Dalot, Smalling, Jones, Young, Matic (Garner 78), A. Pereira, Chong, Gomes, Lingard, Martial.

2,114 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Earn your Spurs
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Hi Andy. Looks like your draft posted earlier is quite similar to mine. Differences are
    Yours. Ederson Pogba Vardy Jota
    Mine. Lloris Fraser Kane King

    No Bournemouth or Spurs love?

    1. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Pretty similar, yeh.
      BOU and Spuds.
      Last season BOU started with nice fixtures and I doubled up - Begovic and Daniels, maybe? Got burned. I think defensively they're too weak and I'm not going there. I have had Fraser and King in my drafts - certainly not ruling them out and they could return, but for now I feel Pogba and Jota will do more long term.
      For me, Spurs are in a slightly weird place. Their defence is currently unsettled - Lloris doesn't know who's going to be lining up in front of him and that puts me off a bit. Up the field, how is Eriksen's mood? Can Kane play without Son? Given GW2 is against City, I prefer to wait and see how Spurs settle. I can't get Kane in without wrecking my team anyway, but Pogba to Son down the road could be a possibility.

      1. Earn your Spurs
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        All good points. I guess I'm avoiding Wolves due to Europa league and pogba I really don't trust

        1. Andy_Social
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Fair enough. I didn't trust Pogba until he started playing these pre-season games. Attitude looking good.

          1. The Ejiptian King
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            His attitude changes like the wind, I hope you're right.

            1. Andy_Social
              • 11 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Plenty around his price point to shift onto.

    2. Pumpkinhead
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      It isn't that similar but k

  2. Forlorn Hope
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    I could do with a little strategy help please.

    I am looking at two options. One being with DeBruyne and King the other being Sigurdsson and Wilson.

    The strategy key question is if I go with King then I have two 6.5 strikers and a 4.5 which makes it difficult to move to a premium striker if one kicks off. However, I could always get there with two transfers as the other 4 starting midfielders would be Salah, Sterling, De Bruyne & Fraser ( Jota the other striker) in a 4-4-2 formation.

    The formation with Siggie and Wilson does make it easier to move to a Vardy for example if only looking for a 1.0 increase.

    What are people’s thoughts.

    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      post your full team

      1. Forlorn Hope
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Pope
        TAA, VvD, Zinchenko (Coleman), Dunk/ Diop rotating
        Salah, Sterling, De Bruyne, Fraser, Dendoncker
        King, Jota, Greenwood

        The switch wood be De Bruyne to Sigurdsson and King to Wilson

        1. Christina.
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          I prefer siggy + Wilson

    2. SADIO SANÉ
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      what premium striker would you want straight after GW1 that you don't want now? if your team is set up well enough you can get whoever you want in GW3 for a -4 max

    3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Sigurdsson and Wilson, for every reason I can think of, right now.

    4. FPL Blow-In
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Sig and Wilson by a distance for me

    5. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Siggy and Wilson.

  3. SHOOTER MCGINN
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Done a fair bit of tinkering but always come back to the same endpoint. Can't justify Salah and Sterling for the sacrifices elsewhere in the team.

    Foster - Button
    VVD - TAA - Digne - Zinchenko - Cathcart
    Salah - KDB - Rich - Zaha - Dendoncker
    Vardy - Wilson - Greenwood

    Usually expect a GW4-6 wildcard so not looking too far ahead. Will probably double up on City attack once we see how the season starts. Would love Sane again if he became a regular.

    1. SHOOTER MCGINN
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Wait, I can't afford that. Get Digne out for a 4.5 rotation.

      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Do not get Digne out.

        Bad, bad advice!

  4. TheNovocastrian
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Posted this earlier, made one change (ASmith to Taylor). Opinions and comment appreciated....

    Alisson,
    TAA, Digne, Zinch
    Salah, KDB, Lucas, Maddison
    King, Jiminez, Haller
    (Button, Taylor, Diop, Dendoncker)

    My thinking....
    - This should cover me for at least the first 10 GWs with minimal transfers. I wasted about 60pts on -4's last season and really need to avoid this again.
    - This should be flexible enough to go 442, 433, or 343
    - Zinch is in as Mendy is reportedly out for the first month
    - After GW1 Lucas is out, Pulisic is in, and Alisson > Ederson after GW2.
    - WHU have a lovely run of fixtures after Man City, GW1. Diop will be Def #4 but rotates with Taylor if needed
    - A combo of King/Haller/Jiminez for the first 10 weeks gives: (SHU, lei), (avl, bha), (wat, BUR), (lei, NOR), (EVE, avl), (sou, cry), (WHU, bou, WAT), (cry), (NOR, SOU), (wat, SHU, new)

    Cheers.

    1. yakirh
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Alisson > Ederson after GW2 are you serious? Never ever plan these kind of transfers

  5. kolejorz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Have 12m to spend on 2 playing mids lads

    My thinking
    Noble+Willan
    Jorginho+Zaha

    Any suggestions please
    Thanks!

    1. Tsparkes10
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Zaha and Hojberg?

    2. Kimmich
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      What is the rest of the midfield?

      1. kolejorz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Classic.

        Salah, sterling, donkey

  6. Tsparkes10
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Any thoughts appreciated.

    Looking forward to sitting down when I get back and looking at fixtures etc properly. But for now, how does this look?

    Ederson Button
    Laporte VVD TAA JOC Dunk
    Zaha Lucas Richarl Robinson Sterl
    Kane Greenwood Origi

    0 ITB

    1. DantheManinaPan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Quite non-template around these parts. Not a huge fan personally but it isn't terrible

  7. Rock Papiss Cissès
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Simple one folks..
    A) Fabianski + Perez
    B) Ryan + Maddison

    I've been on B since day one, really think Maddison's going to be a gem at that price

    1. Tsparkes10
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B I like

      1. Rock Papiss Cissès
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers!!

    2. Pumpkinhead
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B - Maddison nailed and Perez we will have to wait and see.

  8. royals forever
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    In your opinion who is the best 4.5m MF to have out of

    Dendoncker
    Romeu
    Stephens

    Any ideas would be welcomed

    1. SADIO SANÉ
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Donck is a pretty obvious pick unless you think you'll want 3 other Wolves players

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Stephens, for security. Everybody on here is mad for Dendonker.

      1. Pumpkinhead
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        This - Stephens has been a great bench fodder. 4.5, Nailed.

    3. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Donkers.

      Stephens - new manager syndrome. Need to monitor pre-season.
      Romeu plays very deep.
      Donkers plays and has a chance of returns.

    4. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Le Donk.

    5. Poseidon.
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I would say Stephens just as he has the highest ceiling

      1. Pumpkinhead
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Le Donk has the highest ceiling. Stephens will only get 60-90 point.

  9. Ziyech on the Bench
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    How come Zouma not in the game yet?

    1. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Dunno if he'll be a Chelsea player or an Everton player.

      1. Cilly Bonnolly
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        He's a Chelsea player. He should be in the game and listed as a Chelsea player until he isn't.

        1. Poseidon.
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Has anyone contacted the police?

          1. Cilly Bonnolly
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Sorry, did I give the impression that I thought this was the crime of the century? I'm not that fussed, wasn't considering him either way. Just think it's weird to wait and see who he's playing for when he is a Chelsea player.

    2. SADIO SANÉ
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      probably just waiting to see the likely starters at Chelsea, same with the forwards

  10. The Royal Robin
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Best 5.5 GK?

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Pickford. But.

    2. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Lloris.

      But if you only want 1 Everton defender/attacker you can get Pickford and his handcuff, Stek, for £9.5m.

    3. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Pickford for early fixtures. De Gea could be sneaking up.

    4. Aztec Kamara
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Lloris for me, but cautious about the spurs defence to start with and in any case I would prefer do go cheaper and invest elsewhere.

  11. Left Peg
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    So, I've been thinking, do we need to change the way we view pricing?

    While we have a £100m budget to spend on players, the reality is that a decent chunk of this is 'fixed cost'. If we use minimum pricing per position, then we can work out the fixed element of our budget:

    GKP. Min £4.0m x 2 positions = £8.0m
    DEF. Min £4.0m x 5 positions = £20.0m
    MID. Min £4.5m x 5 positions = £22.5m
    FWD. Min £4.5m x 3 positions = £13.5m

    Total = £64.0m fixed cost.
    This leaves us with £36.0m to allocate for the team, i.e. the variable element. Essentially, this acts as the premium on the base price in each position. Rather than looking at Points per £m, perhaps we need to look at Points per £m Premium given the minimum pricing in that position. This means we're investing every incremental £m in the most effective way and ignoring the fixed cost.

    Any thoughts?

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      OverThinking - is that you, in there? 😉

    2. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      So exactly how is this different from looking at ppm?

      You pretty much won’t get any starters for those minimums so I’m genuinely not sure what you’re on about here.

    3. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Oh people dazzle us with this stuff now and again. It ends up with some nonsense about midfielders being 0.5 more than defenders. Stuff & nonsense. Just get the best players you can with the money you've got.

    4. TheNovocastrian
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I've been thinking the same for a couple of weeks now but not had time to do the graphing of how each .5m incrase above the base affects points per .5m increase.

      Would like to see the stats too if anyone has them...

    5. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      It’s a head wrecker that subject, a real can of worms

      Invariabaly ends up with worms spilled everywhere

      Is there a clever way of doing that approach while also bringing captaincy into it?

      1. Aztec Kamara
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        It’s not nonsense but agree with Maximus that it gets overly complicated very quickly - which makes it effectively useless unless you’re an analyst / mathematical scientist.
        It also falls down as it makes the budget players seem way better value.
        I think there can be some value in it when considering where to spend your last bits of cash (i.e. where you get the best return on a cheap vs cheapest player).

        1. DantheManinaPan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          I like this comment.

    6. Netley Lucas
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      This has been examined before, usually around this time of the season and the problems become obvious once you begin to look into it. The half spent on a keeper who gets 150 could be regarded as the most valuable but it isn't as you'll soon find out. Best live an easy life and have a nice drink, you will enjoy it more.

    7. Brosstan
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Pearls before swine to try to get that discussion going on here unfortunately.. Ive tried several times, people are happy to deal with outdated ideas of pricing.

    8. Like an Egyptian Magician
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Your logic is brilliant. You should definitely pursue it further..

  12. The 12th Man
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A few tweaks after this mornings advice.

    Pope
    TAA,Digne,Zinchenko,Cathcart
    Salah,Sterling,KDB,Perez
    Wilson,King

    Norris,Diop,Dendonker,Greenwood

    Cathcart and Diop to share the 4th defender spot.

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Getting there. What's KDB for, exactly? 😀

      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Placeholder for Son?

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Strange to me ... 😀

          1. The 12th Man
            • 10 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            You don’t rate him?

        2. The 12th Man
          • 10 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Not a bad suggestion

      2. Poseidon.
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Kevin De Bruyne

      3. The 12th Man
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I keep swapping between Sterling and KDB. I like him for the start so downgraded Kane > Wilson to fund Fraser > KDB. Then upgraded Jorginho > Perez with the remaining.

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          OK. If it were me, I would reverse that. 🙂

          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            - but I would keep Pérez.

            1. The 12th Man
              • 10 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Thanks I’ll have a look.

            2. The 12th Man
              • 10 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              The only way I can reverse that and keep Perez is if I downgrade Digne and TAA to Coleman and VVD.
              Not sure I want to do that.

          2. The 12th Man
            • 10 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            May well happen before our time is up. Several times. Lol

    2. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Similar to my team -very good I have Richarlison over KDB, VVD over Cathcart and 4.0 m defender over Diop as want to double up Liverpool defence and can see Richarlison starting season well as last couple with good fixtures

  13. Clive The Ram
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone else thinking about Origi, or am I stark raving bonkers?

    1. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      He might play GW1 and score. Problem is you'll want 3 Liverpool players and that makes it awkward to shift him out without taking hits.

      1. Clive The Ram
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I've also got TAA and Salah in my draft at the mo.

      2. Pumpkinhead
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        This

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Me - he is in both my teams. Essential 😉

      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Lying toad!

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          It's TRUE!!! 😯

          GW1(3-5-2):

          Patricio
          van Dijk, Digne, Alexander-Arnold
          Sterling(vc), Eriksen(c), Sigurdsson, Pérez, Gundogan
          Kane, Origi

          Button; Calvert-Lewin, Kelly, Rico … 19/20, 0.0 ITB, TV: 100.0

          GW1(3-5-2):

          Ryan
          van Dijk, Digne, Boly
          Salah, Sterling, Sigurdsson, Neves, Gundogan
          Kane, Origi

          Button; Calvert-Lewin, Kelly, Rico … 19/20, 0.0 ITB, TV: 100.0

          😛

          1. Andy_Social
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Okay, second one - 2FT Digne/Origi > TAA/Greenwood.
            That's about the only way you can keep 3 Pool without taking a hit.
            And I wouldn't want to sacrifice Digne.
            You can't even switch out Ryan or Boli for a 'Pool asset.

            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              That's fine by me. 🙂 I won't be letting Digne go, unless he is injured.

          2. Pumpkinhead
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            A for me

          3. The 5% Team
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            so which are you going with?

    3. Poseidon.
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Assuming he’s 4.5 he’s as good as any of the other options for maybe 5 minsa GW

      1. Poseidon.
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Just checked he’s 5.5. Not sure why you’d pay a premium for a player that’ll get maybe 5 mins a GW

        1. Clive The Ram
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          I can't see Mane playing in GW1 given he hasn't had a break and is playing in the Afcon final tonight. Origi finished the season in really good form too.

          I don't want him for the sake of it but if he plays in the opening weeks, 5.5m for a starting Liverpool attacker is bargain territory.

    4. THE SHEEP HUNTERS
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Some people still believe we went to the Moon in a baked bean can in the Sixties!

  14. Nomar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Mason Mount interest me...

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      It takes all sorts ... 😀 😀 😀

      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Ooer missus!

    2. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I've got a space in my squad for him at 5.5. come on!

    3. *sigh*
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Tammy Abraham interests me also...

    4. Clive The Ram
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      He was pretty productive for my team last year but that was the Championship. He'll be great in the fullness of time but I won't be bringing him in from the off. Watching brief for me.

      1. Andy_Social
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Frank knows and loves him. Watching brief - now, pre-season. today he was Chelsea's one good player.

  15. The Royal Robin
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A) VVD Zaha KDB Wilson Vardy
    B) Robbo Siggy Sterling King Deulofeu

    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B

    2. thorvaldsson
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B

  16. JJeyy
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A) Vardy, Wilson, Fraser

    B) Sterling, King, Brooks

    Best option here?

    1. The Royal Robin
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I take it it's Sterling vs Fraser. Raheem wins really.

      1. JJeyy
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        and wilson

  17. Kimmich
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Leitner starting for Norwich. Played over 20 last season which was hit with injury. Could be another 4.5m option in midfield for anybody looking for reliable starts.

    1. Kimmich
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Also Pukki scored.

      Schalke 0 - 1 Norwich HT.

      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Essential

    2. Kimmich
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      And also Hanley started (4.0). Not sure how long Zimmerman? I think is Injured for.

  18. bananaboy331
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Why are people going for TAA over Robertson? Just wondering

    1. SADIO SANÉ
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      better ppm and on set-pieces

      1. DantheManinaPan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Yep. Was the better of the two in the second half of last season. Marginally less nailed, yes, but more attacking potential.

      2. 7shadesofsmoke
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        this and this, basically...

    2. FC Hakkebøf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Go for both = no headache

      Both offer better value than any midfielder in the same price range imo

      1. Cilly Bonnolly
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Exctly this. I'm amazed more people don't have both. Seems a no-brainer to me.

    3. Amey
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Getting both to avoid the dilemma altogether 🙂

    4. Pumpkinhead
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      TAA better PPM but ultimately they are both great options.

    5. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Would do but can't afford the extra 0.5 so going TAA and VVD.

  19. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Knockaert leaving Brighton. Having a medical at fulham

    1. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Back to the drawing board with my team then

  20. Ian Davis
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A) Siggy
    B) Richarlison
    C) B Silva

    * also have Sterling

    1. FC Hakkebøf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A

    2. 7shadesofsmoke
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A

    3. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A

  21. FC Hakkebøf
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Pretty set on the team for now. But struggling witth three options

    A) Wilson, DCL, 4.5 mid
    B) Wilson, 6.0 mid, Greenwood
    C) Deulofeu, Fraser, Greenwood
    D) Haller, Perez/Brooks/other 6.5, Greenwood
    E) Deulofeu, Zaha, Greenwood (+0.5 itb)

    Current team

    Ryan Button
    Robertson TAA Digne Zinchenko Kelly
    Salah (C) Sterling SIggy (xxx) Dendoncker
    King (xxx) (xxx)

  22. Ian Davis
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A) AWB + Jota

    or

    B) 4.5 DEF + Jimenez

    1. Pumpkinhead
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I'm not interested in wolves but it has to be A

    2. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Another 5.5 and jota

  23. Markus
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Just doing some analysis re goalkeepers and save points, and feel like a moment of appreciation for Alisson who will be in nobody's team, but the last 2 seasons has prevented an extra 33% and 37% of goals that would have normally gone in...Makes me feel like the pool defenders won't necessarily regress as far to the mean as might have anticipated in terms of clean sheets if he maintains form.

    Leno/Ederson/Foster/Lloris had great seasons (shot prevention wise) comparably to the season before so some risk there.

    Dubravka could strangely benefit from Benitez departure as his gk stats are great, but the Benitez model was restrict the other team to only great chances so he was far at the bottom of the pile for shots on target/xG, which is rubbish for a FPL gk. Shame they won't be keeping many clean sheets though.

    The ones I've picked out from the stats as most likely to overachieve against their expected clean sheets (i.e. save and bonus points) because either their team give away lots of poorer quality chances and/or their goalkeeping performance has been strong, from each price point are: Alisson, De Gea/Lloris, Fabianski, Henderson which feels about right, although Henderson only has 1 year of data at a lower level so that one is more risky. Heaton/Pope also in with a decent shout looking at previous years' data.

    1. pingissimus
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Interesting viewpoint.

      Where does Guaita fit in? Palace concede heaps of shots (largely poor quality) and he gets the save points and cs. His ppm was fantastic last season. Fab alternative with potential cs? (Had them both last time)

      Downside is Palace are short of about 3 defenders right now.

      1. Markus
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I've just done it on season long data but recall separately his save% is pretty high so would thought he'd do reasonably well. I'll double check...

        1. Markus
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          He was brilliant for getafe, only just above average for palace last year, but palace bang in the middle of teams for shots per expected goal conceded over the course of season (which feels a better sample size for essentially the same team style which doesn't change based on Gk). An above average option especially given decent expectation of actual clean sheets,which is the main thing that earns points after all!

  24. 1justlookin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Are there actually any decent options for Aston Villa?

    Decent opponents from GW 2 - 9

    1. Pumpkinhead
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Targett and Mings are nailed (if you think they can keep a cleanie). McGinn (is slightly over priced) and the new forward they signed. Thats about it.

    2. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      No

  25. Miguel Sanchez
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Which 5.5 max def?

    A) Ake
    B) Zinchenko
    C) Coleman (have Digne)
    D) Christensen
    E) Vertonghen/B.Davies

  26. jomikijiq
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Coleman G. Both him and Digne had some more chances before that.

    1. Pumpkinhead
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Coleman is excellent it's a shame he suffers from the injury bug

    2. Queenofthestoneage
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Coleman with a goal, +60 min, clean sheet and full bonus: 14p

    3. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Digne saving it for when the season starts.

  27. N00B
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    My first draft for next season. 0.5 itb. What do you think?

    Dean Henderson (i think he will be 4.5)
    TAA VVD Digne Zinchenko
    Salah KDB Perez Brooks
    Kane Deulofeu

    Bench: Button, Dendoncker, Dunk, Greenwood

    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Looks ok, but my honest answer is that I don’t have a Scooby Doo how good that team is going to perform once the season starts.

  28. EgyptianKing
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Hi mates. Any advice on this team?

    Ryan
    TAA, Robertson, Coleman, Chenko
    Perez, Siggy, Salah, Sterling
    King, Wilson

    Cheers!

    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Helps if people post their bench too.

      1. Pumpkinhead
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        True

      2. EgyptianKing
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        True. Sorry.

        Bench:
        Button, Dendoncker, Kelly, Greenwood

        1. pingissimus
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Actually quicker not to - just write Template.

          1. Pumpkinhead
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Damn - Accurate but savage

      3. No Professionals
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Not really, if they don't post it you can assume its button Kelly Dendoncker Greenwood

    2. Pumpkinhead
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Question marks over Perez and Chenko naildness. Would monitor, other than that, it's pretty pre-season template.

      1. EgyptianKing
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        With Mendy missing the start of the season, Delph out and Angelino potentially being a back up there, I think there is a good chance Chenko starts the season.

        Rodgers seems to like Perez and I honestly expect him to have decent gametime and attacking involvment.

        I will monitor them closely, however. Thank you for the advice!

      2. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        In fairness, Perez was bought to get goals from midfield.

        Numerous Leicester managers haven’t been enamoured with Gray, Mendy or Albrighton, so I doubt that Pérez is going to be reduced to being an impact sub in that Leicester team.

        1. Pumpkinhead
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          In that Leicester team? What about Tielemans, Maddison, and Barns??? Perez may start but I don't think it's certain he wasn't exactly lighting it up with Newcastle.

    3. Netley Lucas
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Burnley keeper or Henderson if he goes back to Sheff Utd. Not bad, King to Jota/Deu is an option.

  29. Nomar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Forest v Palace tonight.

    Essential viewing.

    1. THE SHEEP HUNTERS
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      My money's on Forest.

      1. pingissimus
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        For how many though?

        1. Nomar
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          All of us.

          Must watch telly (illegal streaming).

  30. Union_Jacks
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Trossard wagon are GO!!