Fantasy League

How to prepare for a Fantasy League auction

Last week we alerted you to the relaunch of Fantasy League for the 2019/20 season, with a Q&A with founder Andrew Wainstein and an introduction to the long-running auction-based game.

For those looking to master Fantasy League, we’re lucky enough to have an in-house expert – Fantasy Football Scout site user Clouseau – to help us out.

Clouseau’s previous article looked at the merits and basics of auction-based Fantasy Football based on his two decades of experience playing the Fantasy League game.

This latest feature is the first of a two-part piece which will look in more detail at how to have an effective auction – from prepping in advance through to the big night itself.

Take it away, Clouseau…

The Scene-Setter…

First of all, let me give you the context of this article. For a lot of what you’re about to read, you should put FPL from your mind. Although the advice in this piece should translate to any auction-based fantasy game, I’m looking at it from the perspective of playing Fantasy League (FL), using their traditional scoring system.

Where I talk about FL points, this is based upon three points for a goal and two points for an assist, both irrespective of the scorer’s position, and, for goalkeepers and defenders, one point for an appearance, two points for a clean sheet with -1 point for every goal conceded.

There are no bonus points and, for goalkeepers, no points for saves/penalty saves. Fortunately, there are also no minus points for cards or penalty misses. Furthermore, whilst your league can select any number of permitted transfers, I am assuming that just 20 are allowed for the course of the season, with a starting squad of 15. This puts the focus very much upon the auction rather than your ability to constantly swap players in and out.

Think Long Term!

The principal thing you need to understand if you are a veteran of FPL, but have never played the auction-style before, is that you are looking to select a squad for the full season. As a result of this, you should try to forget about fixtures and Season Tickers because, ideally, all your players will play every team home and away.

Understanding the Player List

Most of the things which make good outfield players good FPL players also make them good Fantasy League players. That’s the good news. What’s slightly less good news is that I tried to do some rudimentary comparisons and analysis to see if there was a common margin/denominator by which FPL points convert readily to FL points; there isn’t. I also specifically said outfield players because goalkeepers throw up a lot of anomalies which I will discuss a little further down.

What I’ve managed to do is break it down by category (and for the purposes of this I have amalgamated full-backs and centre-backs, which are separate categories in Fantasy League, into an amorphous group) and, based mostly on FPL’s ‘premium’ and upper-mid-range players (I may have swapped a few players in and out of the list based on expectations for the coming season), I came up with the following average margins by which FPL points convert to FL points:

Strikers (priced 8.0 and up): 2.7
Midfielders (priced 7.0 and up): 3.6
Defenders (priced 5.5 and up): 4.3
Goalkeepers (priced 5.5 and up): 5.2

Put simply, if your striker scores you 200 FPL points, you can expect them to get you around 74 FL points. However, remember that these are based on averages and the very best players will have margins lower than the average due to their scoring the majority of their points through goals, assists and clean sheets; as an example, both Sergio Aguero and Trent Alexander-Arnold had margins of 2.5. Salah and Sterling had margins of 2.9 and 3.0 respectively, due to their playing in teams which kept a lot of clean sheets and, therefore, got additional points for them in FPL, but still much lower than the mean for midfielders.

Goalkeepers are the real outliers and, with them, it’s doubly important that you understand the difference between a good FPL goalie and a good Fantasy League stopper; remember, there are no points for saves/penalty saves or bonus.

Let me use two examples from last season: Lukasz Fabianski and David de Gea. Fabianski was the fifth-highest-scoring goalkeeper in FPL with 143 points. In Fantasy League he was the 21st ‘best’ goalkeeper with a massive score of -3 points; you’d have been better off picking a non-playing goalkeeper for the season. De Gea similarly scored 120 points in FPL, making him equal-ninth best, but got -2 in FL.

With goalkeepers, notwithstanding De Gea’s horror show last season, you are best sticking to those from the top six clubs and, after that, looking to clubs you hope will keep things tight at the back, not ship a cricket score too frequently and pick up the occasional clean sheet. Don’t be tempted by keepers in sides you know will have shots rained in on them like it’s the Alamo, but where you expect them to make 25 saves a game. That will just end in tears.

Sensible Prices

My first piece talked about setting yourself reasonable maxima for players so that you don’t end up in a bidding war with someone over a player that you both ‘must have’, where you go way beyond what represents good value for money (VFM).

I’m not saying that you should always stick rigidly to your pre-auction plans, and sometimes you’ll have to sacrifice a player you really wanted in order to secure four of the other five upon which you’d set your heart, but remember, your pot of money has to get you the whole squad, not just a couple of players, and whilst there will be those you can pick up for free or for not a great deal, it’s a brave manager who goes all-in on only a handful of players and has 14+ slots to fill with the dregs.

When doing your auction prep, it’s worth thinking about how much players may go for in order that you can sketch out a potential squad for yourself. In my experience, the table below sets out the approximate costs for players by position and ‘quality’, based on % of auction budget (I’ve gone with this rather than absolute prices as different leagues will set different starting budgets):

 

The VFM point above is one I consider to be imperative in having a successful auction and you should always be conscious of the point at which no player is worth the amount you’ll have to spend. No player is guaranteed to score you a certain number of points and whilst certain players increase the likelihood of big scores, these have to be looked at relative to prices and points for other players.

Consider the top three Liverpool scorers from last season: Mohamed Salah, Andrew Robertson and Alexander-Arnold who scored 90, 82 and 75 points respectively in Fantasy League. Salah went for 28% of someone’s pot at my auction, whereas Robertson and Alexander-Arnold went for 10% and 4% respectively. Clearly that won’t happen again but I would expect Salah to be around 32% and the full-backs to be a maximum of 16% each. Based on last season’s scores, the two defenders would get you 157 points to Salah’s 90. Now, of course, this vastly oversimplifies the argument. For starters, it overlooks the fact that you’d have another player, picked up for free, to sit alongside Salah when working out how many points your 32% of budget had bought you. However, the chances of your picking up a freebie who will score you at least 67 points are very, very low. I’m not saying it can’t happen (I remain smug to this day that I picked up an unknown Michael Owen for free at the 1997/98 auction) but just bear in mind when you set yourself an eye-watering budget for a big player that you may be better off spreading the money around.

Starters vs Substitutes

Although picking players you expect to start matches is a good starting point, appreciate that it matters less in Fantasy League where there are, for example, no appearance points for midfielders and forwards. Impact subs at good clubs can easily outscore regular starters in lesser teams.

Leroy Sane is a great example of this. He currently sits in just 3% of FPL squads, reflecting his lack of certainty of starts, even though he was the 10th-highest scoring FPL midfielder. Last season in Fantasy League, he was the fifth-highest-scoring midfielder (and 18th highest in any position) and rightly went for 16% at the auction. Good players playing only 15 minutes per match can easily outscore 90 minutes per match from lesser players or those at lower-placed clubs.

Squad Structure

With Fantasy League giving you up to seven substitute berths (on the Legend package; the squad is fixed at 15 players for Novice and Pro), over which there are no positional restrictions, it can be very tempting to load up on strikers; you can, in principle, have up to ten of them with the Legend package.

A wiser move is to spread your substitutes around: for example, assuming that your starting XI is a 4-3-3 formation, having three strikers, three midfielders and a defender on your bench. There’s no perfect structure until your squad is forming but this is the sort of ballpark for which I aim in my pre-auction prep. Of course, you should keep an open mind and you should never limit yourself by enforcing a certain structure; to use an extreme example, you would never turn down the chance to get Aguero for a good price because you already had your ideal number of strikers, particularly if you were only missing a midfielder from your subs and the only options left in that category were players who only their mothers had heard of.

The caveat I give to this advice is that Fantasy Football is a game loaded with schadenfreude and, in the case of auction-based Fantasy Football, spoiling tactics. Every player you own is a player denied to everyone else. If the average number of strikers per manager is six, your taking ten means that you’ve removed four [presumably] desirable strikers from the pool who are now not available to your fellow managers.

The same can apply to goalkeepers. As you’ll see from my analysis of points by position in Fantasy League vs FPL, good goalkeepers are more of a rarity in the former than they are in the latter. Whilst a second goalkeeper (I would never advise getting a third keeper!) is rarely a boon from a points-scoring perspective, it can leave one of your opposition managers with the unpalatable choice of a goalie who will likely leak goals like a rusty bucket or one who will only ever be played by his club in League Cup games.

Caveat Emptor…..

….. or ‘buyer beware’ for those of you who aren’t lawyers and/or versed in Latin. If you spend your precious money on a player who is crocked or is halfway out of the door, you kiss that money goodbye. Therefore, even if you do very little prep in the run-up to the auction, five minutes of last-minute cramming may well save your season. Check the latest injury situation.

I’m not saying don’t aim to buy players who are currently injured for the short term (see above for ‘think long term’ with your acquisitions), but be aware with your VFM calculations that being out until the end of September means seven games will be missed, almost 20% of the total season.

Similarly, check the gossip columns. The BBC does a handy daily round-up of all the stories from the main papers and outlets, and whilst if every transfer ‘story’ came true half the players around the world would be playing for three clubs simultaneously, you should still bear them in mind.

I learned the painful way 20 years ago when I spent one-third of my auction pot on Jimmy-Floyd Hasselbaink after he’d had that stellar season with Leeds, only for him to run off to Atletico, leaving me with a gaping hole in my squad and not a penny of my huge investment returned. Back then, I’d have had to buy a paper every day to know this; nowadays, with the proliferation of news and gossip through multiple, free outlets, there’s no excuse for not knowing the latest.

Finally….. Make Lists, Lots of Lists

Lists will smooth and caress your passage to the successful end of your auction. Ok, that may be a slight exaggeration, but lists help with focus in preparation and can act as a vital crutch during the auction, particularly towards the end when your player list, printed from the Fantasy League website, is getting harder and harder to read.

Break down by position the players you really want and maybe break them down again by premium, mid and low; you’ll probably want to ensure that you get at least one from the premium column and avoid delving into the low column as much as possible.

Print out at least two copies of the player list to take with you: one to keep on top where you’ll cross off players as they are bought, and one hidden underneath (away from prying eyes) where you’ll highlight the players you want, preferably using different highlighter pens to denote must-haves, highly desirables and ‘have at a push’.

I will be looking at how to tackle the auction night itself in the not-too-distant future so watch this space.

Clouseau Serious (for which you can read \'stressy\') fantasy football fan. Have been playing the auction-based version with its unique squads (fantasyleague.com) for over 20 years but more recently branched out into FPL. Follow me on Twitter @FFSClouseau

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  1. RAFA THE GAFFA
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    My Kane-Salah-Sterling team. What you think?

    Pope
    TAA AWB Digne Cathcart
    Salah Sterling Zaha Tielemans
    Kane Jota
    (Button, Dendoncker, Kelly, Nketiah)

    Notes:
    AWB could be Maguire.
    Tielemans could be Perez.
    Digne/Cathcart could be Coleman/Holebas.
    Jota could be King.

    Thanks 🙂

    1. The Ejiptian King
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      It's actually alright although I'd prefer to not have a Watford defender at all.

      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Yeah, possibly. Great initial fixtures though

        1. The Ejiptian King
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Still don't think I've got over them conceding to Hudds in the double GW, lol.

          1. FPL_Gyarados
            • 10 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Don't remind me

    2. LSK
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Decent. I prefer dropping Zaha right down to a 5.0 and having both Liverpool full backs and rotating 4.5s.

    3. Lovren an elevator
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      You've done really well. Personally I would downgrade zaha, then upgrade cathcart to VVD or even Robbo at a push. But downgrade zaha to someone you can rotate with dendoncker, maybe Norwood?
      Then I would prefer King to Jota, but that's maybe just personal preference and potential of pens.

    4. Tcheco
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I like it. Here's my version of KSS:

      --------------------Ryan
      Robbo Zinchenko Coleman Vertonghen
      ------Salah Sterling Perez Pereyra
      ----------------Kane King

      Dunk Greenwood Dendoncker

      1. Free Hat
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        If I had a 2nd team this would be it!

    5. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Cheers all. Torn between this and my other draft. Thanks

  2. TheSteel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Not seen many Kane teams. Think he’s being overlooked at 11 for another premium defender off the start when clean sheets are not as common.

    1. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I’m looking at him

    2. Lazaretti
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Going to be in my team

    3. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Moura could do just as well in first 2 as Kane. Then I want Son anyway.

    4. Podge
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      160 points you’d get that from plenty of 8-9 M options

      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        You've been playing this game for 8 years+.. Surely you know that he is a 200 point+ player who got 160 due to injuried

    5. Dybala10
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Price makes him very appealing now, even if he is a deep lying forward.

  3. LangerznMash
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    I think this merits it's own thread. Guess the total minutes of the Man City attacking assets. Pep usually plays with 2 x AM, LW, RW + CF so total gametime available for the five spots is (5 x 3420) = 17100 minutes split between 10 players.

    Aguero = 2000
    Jesus = 1400
    Sterling = 2700
    Sane = 1400
    Mahrez = 1500
    Bilva = 2500
    KDB = 2500
    Dilva = 1200
    Gundogan = 1300
    Foden = 600

    It really is a minefield.

    1. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      KDB’s injury probably effects him. I’d say him and Sterling are our best bets

    2. Siggy in the Middle
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Can't see 2500 minutes for KDB unless he gets injured.

  4. Zladan
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A) 4.5mGK TAA Siggy King
    B) Alisson 4.5mDEF Brooks Kane

  5. The Ejiptian King
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    How much am I gonna regret starting with my poverty Bournemouth duo of Brooks/Kings over Fraser/Wilson?

    1. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      The latter are where the goals are at!

    2. Baps hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      As much as last year probably. Not for me.

    3. Brosstan
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A lot

  6. Longiss
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts on this Salah, Kane, Sterling, Wilson team?

    Pope
    TAA Zinchenko Coleman Dunk
    Salah Sterling Perez Pereyra
    Kane Wilson

    1. ClothedinSun
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Looks good! I am reserved as to Zinchenko's validity at LB but that aside I really like the Perez/Pereyra setup and that front line will do damage.

    2. My neck my back my Saed Kol…
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Similar to mine, nice. I have zaha and Jota over pereyra and Wilson though

    3. Siggy in the Middle
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I read a post from a Watford fan in Reddit warning against Pereyra so I'm not sure about that pick. Not that there's many options in that price range.

      1. Free Hat
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        What would be wrong with him then may I ask? (team with Pereyra in it)

    4. Carlton P
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      2 Liverpool defenders is the way to go. They are the best value/set and forget players in the game...it really is as simple as that

  7. SpaceCadet
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Coleman or Zinchenko?

    1. anish10
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Coleman due to naildness, monitor Mendy fitness

  8. anish10
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Hows this, gone for a power 5 midfield.

    Ryan
    TAA Gomez Walker
    KDB Salah Moura Pogba Siggy
    Wilson Jota

    4.0 -- Greenwood -- Rico -- Kelly

  9. jamest4
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    A) Fabianksi & Zaha
    B) Pickford & Brooks
    C) Pope & Fraser (or Lucas)

    1. FPL_Gyarados
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      B

  10. Jafoole_88
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Kante will miss start of season. Drinkwater is locked into my draft team now.

    1. Athletic Nasherbo
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I’m going to have Drinkwater after I spat all my water out of my mouth reading this.

  11. SADIO SANÉ
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    what is the Kante injury situation? Pogba becomes a lot more interesting if United look like winning that first game

    1. Jafoole_88
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      but pogba will be sunning in Madrid

  12. KingOllie
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Is Deeney an ok pick to start the season?

    - Has penatlies
    - Ok Fixtures
    - Nailed
    - Easy to swap him round

    1. The Ejiptian King
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Decent pick as long as he doesn't get sent off.

      1. ClothedinSun
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        also, this.

    2. ClothedinSun
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      He's an ok pick for sure! I had him initially but then went for Deulofeu as I can see him sending Dunk, Duffy & Ryan into the 7th dimension in that first game...

    3. Brosstan
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Like him a lot more than deulo

  13. My neck my back my Saed Kol…
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Posted in the wrong article- Thoughts on-

    Pope

    Coleman TAA Dunk Zinchenko

    Salah Sterling Pérez Zaha

    Kane Jota

    Button Holding Dendonker Greenwood

    1. ClothedinSun
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      it's ok. That backline would give me worry though, I'd downgrade Zaha and Holding and invest the extra in your backline...particularly on upgrading Dunk...

      1. My neck my back my Saed Kol…
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Yeah holding and dunk are just place holders for now as 4.5 rotating defenders. There any 4.0 likely starters?

        1. Ask Yourself
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Holding going to start over Mustafi and Sokratis ?

          1. My neck my back my Saed Kol…
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            If he’s fit he’ll start ahead of mustafi for sure, emery likes him and mustafi is toilet. I think it’s one to monitor in pre season as he was class before he got injured and that is a great price

            1. Ask Yourself
              • 7 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Yeah, for 0.5 more I think AMN offers much more value

              1. Lemongrab
                • 14 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                Personally I wouldn't be going anywhere near arsenal defence. Players look good value but we flat out can't keep clean sheets.

  14. Nightf0x
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts

    Ederson 4.0
    Robo diop taylor dunk boly
    Mane raz siggy/richar snod perez
    Deu jota wilson

    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I don't like the pricey keeper, personally. For example, I'd anticipate Pope + VVD > Edersen + Boly.

      Great front 3. Mané isn't going to start the season, will likely miss the first 2 games, according to Klopp.

  15. Sndeshdhkl
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    thoughts on this?

    pope
    robbo vvd zinc digne
    salah sterling kdb perez
    king deulofeu
    button dendo greenwood gibson

    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Almost identical squad here, but I felt Wilson was needed over King. Finding that 1.5m is the tricky part - I sacrificed KdB but it can also be done by switching out Digne for a 4.5m such as Diop or Femenía.

    2. Carlton P
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Same team but I also went with Siggy + Wilson over KDB + King

  16. Old Gregg
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Morning,

    fairly template. Which option/formation looks better?. Thanks

    Pope
    VVD-Taa-Coleman-____ (kelly)
    Salah-Sterling-Perez-____ (dendonker)
    Wilson___-____

    a) 4-4-2: Zinc-Siggy-Deulofeu-(greenwood)
    b) 4-4-2: Zinc-Doucore-Vardy (greenwood)
    c) 4-3-3: Holebas - (hayden) - Vardy - Deulofeu.

    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      a

      1. Old Gregg
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        thanks

    2. FPL_Gyarados
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      A

      1. Old Gregg
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks. Yeah I do want Siggy in my team

  17. Sam (Team Sam)
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    De Bruyne and Kane, or Rashford and Sterling?

    1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I have A in this line up

      Ryan (button)

      VVD-Robertson-TAA-Coleman-(Azpileceuta)

      Fraser-Sigurdsson-KDB-(Dendocker-Trybull)

      Wilson-King-Kane

    2. Kiwi Don
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Tough choice but I would do sterling and Wilson instead of rash.

    3. Miguel Sanchez
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      KaneDB

    4. UshFPL
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Find 0.5 for Vardy and Sterling

    5. Our Man Charlie
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      KDB and Kane for me

    6. EMBOLOFAN
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      b

  18. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Has the Harry Kane Bandwagon started yet?

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1152934597824602113

    1. SADIO SANÉ
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      that happened yesterday, it's died down again now 😉

      1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Oh right I see!

    2. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Deulofeu's back in 😆

      1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Obviously I am not up to date at all!

  19. Kambo
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    This look pretty safe to start the season with? Trying to play the fixtures for the first couple of weeks going for as minimal risks as possible with flexibility to be able to jump on early season budget bandwagons when they surface. But who isn't really!!

    Leno
    TAA-Van Dijk-Zinch-Coleman
    Salah-Rich-Fraser
    Auba-Wilson-Deulo

    (Button-Donker-Stephens-Kelly)

    Thoughts?

    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      why Rich?
      No City attacker? Brave.

      1. Kambo
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Rich historically a stronger starter than Siggy and likely swapped to Son pretty early. It was De bruyne originally as a place holder for Son but i see Richa matching early. If you aren't starting with Sterling then i don't see the point of other city attacking options. Hence why i'm starting with Auba as a money holder to allow Son later on.

    2. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Do you think Aubameyang matches Sterling's output? I know he's 1m less, but he has to be a reliable captain option at that price.

      I love Aubameyang, I just don't trust Emery and his formation changes.

      1. Ask Yourself
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Auba is nailed for emery. I think he is settling on his 4231 as it means Auba gets to play in his best position and he can play laca. Rest of the attacker spots are where the rotation beauty happens until europa becomes serious

        1. Twisted Saltergater
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Oh I'm not saying Aubameyang is a rotation risk (although wasn't he at the end of last season?), it's more the flip flopping from 2 up top to being played wide left.

      2. Kambo
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2019/07/19/player-value-and-the-most-efficient-use-of-the-fpl-budget-part-2/

        Check out this community article written by Hedge. Shows historically you only really need one heavy hitter in your squad.
        Auba is really only in there for the first couple of weeks which i think he can more than match Sterling and Kane until the budget options become available in helping me restructure.

        1. Twisted Saltergater
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          With hindsight we can say only one big hitter is needed, but it's difficult to know which big hitter that is until after the season.

          I'm not advocating going with 3 big hitters, I'm suggesting that Salah + Sterling are statistically the better two options to start with.

          Aubameyang has the quality, and if you're comfortable captaining him home to Burnley when Salah is away to Southampton, then you're all set.

          1. Kambo
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            I'm quiet comfortable captaining Salah against Southampton as i plan on having Auba for a limited time until players emerge elsewhere in all positions.

            1. Twisted Saltergater
              • 14 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              Ah ok, understood. I wonder if Lacazette @9.5m from the off, then a switch to Vardy in GW3 is a possibility? Gives you an additional 1.5m to invest elsewhere.

              Aubameyang @11m does give you the ability to switch to Kane or Aguero, though, so probably ignore me!

              1. Kambo
                • 6 Years
                4 years, 9 months ago

                I've considered it but i'd rather be able to have that money readily available then invest the 1.5m over more than one option if you know what i mean. Plus Kane makes for an easy swap if in form.

    3. LangerznMash
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I like it

      1. Kambo
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        i like you

  20. Pia06rc
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    How many people aren't going to start with double Liverpool defence and why?

    1. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Absolutely no chance I'm going without double defence. Just a question of whether to get VVD or Robbo to partner up with TAA.

      1. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Has to be Robbo.

    2. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I've toyed with it. The only reason for doing so would be to have a punt on Origi.

      1. Marty McFly
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I've thought about this too but his price point is a bit tricky. He's not going to play the first 4 games, so it would probably require an early wildcard or a hit to move him on after the 1-2 gw's?

        1. Twisted Saltergater
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Yep, likely that he starts the first 2 or 3 only. A 1.5m saving over TAA / Robertson just doesn't seem to be enough incentive.

    3. Ask Yourself
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Going double attack instead

      1. Pia06rc
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Who with?

        1. Ask Yourself
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Salah Origi until GW3

          1. Ask Yourself
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Then my only pool player will be VVD

    4. Marty McFly
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Overall EO for Liverpool defenders is around 110%, so it seems the average team has 1.1 Liverpool defenders in it.

      Only 1.3 million players have joined. Last season there were around 6m players, so expect that number to change in the next couple of weeks.

      I'm currently on 2 myself.

      1. jomikijiq
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        it's more than 140%

        1. Marty McFly
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Are you including Alisson in that number?

    5. Ady87
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I've got 2 because Firmino can't be trusted and I'd rather have Sterling than double Liverpool mids. The fullbacks are also very good at defending and attacking and can return on days where they concede.

    6. Boris Bodega
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Just going with either Robertson or TAA. Don't see the need of loading up until it's clear how they're performing.

  21. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Digne & Coleman got 169 points in 30 games in 2019

    Good I hope Gueye stays so we get the chance to harness that type of scoring power for our FPL teams this season

    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Everton were really strange last season. For a long time, they couldn't keep a CS for toffee (bdum-tshh) then as their fixtures turned for the worse, they went on an amazing run.

      I do think Gueye is crucial to that, and probably Zouma too, so it might be a wait and see without those two.

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        In hindsight I think the level of managerial change, and personnel changes took 4-6 months to bed in

        Defensively they had a great second half of the season

    2. SADIO SANÉ
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      think I sold Digne for about 5.0 after a terrible run of nothing last season 😀

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        I think many had him on the bench for Burnley which was nearly worse

    3. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Looks likely atm that Gueye joins PSG

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        This is my fear

    4. jtreble
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      “... I hope Gueye stays ...”. It isn’t going to happen. Sorry.

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Much stranger things have happened than him staying

        And much stranger things have happened than him going

        Judging by the media speculation, it looks more likely he'll go... But the window closes in 17 days so we might get lucky

        1. jtreble
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Fingers crossed. :).

  22. Ady87
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts?

    Ryan
    TAA Robertson Coleman
    Sterling Salah Lucas Perez
    Jiminez Deulofeu King

    Subs: Playing Fodder

    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      similar to mine

    2. Marty McFly
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      The EL is putting me off Jimmy for the first couple of games at least. I reckon it's a decent differential NOT owning him.

      1. Ady87
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Fair point, plenty of similarly priced options I guess. If I wanted to go for a cheaper option like Murray etc it would also make Lucas > Son easier in a few weeks.

        1. Christina.
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Get Zinc in def and lose Jim

          1. Ady87
            • 10 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Zinc for Coleman I assume - Is his game time nailed?

            1. Christina.
              • 14 Years
              4 years, 9 months ago

              no, but might be worth a gamble early on especially if you WC early. Besides, easy downgrade.

        2. Marty McFly
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Murray is on my radar too

    3. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Very strong. Can I tempt you with these moves?

      Jiminez > Jota
      4.5m def > 4m def
      King > Wilson

      1. Ady87
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        My concern with Jota is reduced returns on reclassification as a forward - Shame as I'm a big fan as a player and he was in my GW 1 team last year. I'm not entirely convinced on him due to game time.

        Elmo is my £4.5m, I have Kelly, which other £4.0m would you recommend?

        I do prefer Wilson, if we can agree on the above I'd make the move!

        1. Twisted Saltergater
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Deulofeu and Watford have decent opening 4 fixtures. I'm going with him and Wilson.

      2. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        4.5m
        Robbo TAA Digne ZZ
        Salah Sterling Moura Perez
        Wilson Delefeo

        1. Christina.
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Robbo->Vvd gives me 2 FT + 0.5m that can give me Moura->Son in week 3

        2. Twisted Saltergater
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Very nice, mate. Almost identical here so I would say that. Only variations are Brooks over Perez and Zinchenko over Digne to enable KWP from Spurs.

    4. LSK
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Fraser over Jiminez? Although I don't think he will be rotated much. I think it will be Jota if anybody who is. Or maybe start with Haller? Good fixtures after City, and it is possible to score against anybody.

  23. Brosstan
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    The more I think about it the more I find Fat Drake is the 6.5 answer to the start of the season

    1. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Who is fat drake?

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Deeney

        1. internal error
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          ffs, I should have figured that out myself

          1. Brosstan
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            😀

      2. SADIO SANÉ
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        😀 😀

    2. fantasyfog
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Yeah or little mr, the tall thin line an option too

    3. KingOllie
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Hes in my team, gonna be knocking in penalties

      1. FPL_Gyarados
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        As long as he isn't knocking heads

  24. Athletic Nasherbo
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Salah-Sterling-Kane draft.

    Ryan
    VVD AWB Zinchenko Coleman
    Salah Sterling Perez
    Kane Wilson Andone

    Norris Romeu Stephens Aarons

    1. LSK
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Wilson to King and a 5.5 defender to a Liverpool full back imo.

      1. nisag17
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        This.

  25. Boris Bodega
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Current version, tbh not that much has changed since last one, but I am sure you are all missing my updates...

    Fabianski
    Digne - Robertson - Zinchenko
    Sterling - Fraser - Zaha - Perez
    Auba - Kane - Greenwood
    (Button - Dendoncker - Gibson - Kelly CRY)

    Armband swaps between Auba and Kane depending on home game. Greenwood, Zinchenko and Gibson all up in the air depending on reports nearer GW1 deadline.

    1. LangerznMash
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      It's really good except for starting Greenwood. Zinchenko not 100% but likely to play.
      Not sure if Zaha will start GW1?

      1. Boris Bodega
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        This too actually, thanks.

    2. SpaceCadet
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      No liv attack?

      1. Boris Bodega
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        No, not until Mané is back then I might look at either wildcarding or transferring him in for one of Kane / Auba / Sterling.

        1. Tomm
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          Mane is back after charity shield

          1. Boris Bodega
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            So they say, but I'm still going to wait and see after GW1, unless it's very clear Mané starts.

    3. EMBOLOFAN
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      greenwood? lol

      1. Boris Bodega
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks for your input

  26. Lemongrab
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Which do you prefer...

    Ederson and Fraser

    Or

    Pope (or other 4.5) and KDB?

    1. golfboy
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Pope + KDB

      Never been convinced playing a premium keeper, I think the money is better used elsewhere

    2. nisag17
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I have gone with Ederson and Fraser. This is the first time I am going with a premium keeper. Reason that Man City are very reliable in the very high number of clean sheets they are going to keep and lack of any decent options at 4.5.

    3. Lemongrab
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      It's tough. Last season having no city defence at the tail end of the season killed me with Laporte racking up the clean sheets. However I really want KDB as I think he's underpriced and could be in for a monster season if he stays fit.

  27. golfboy
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Okey dokey.. 1st post this season. What do you think of this?

    Pope
    Zinchenko Coleman TAA VVD
    Salah KDB Perez Fraser
    Kane Deulofeo

    Bench: Button Targett Dendonk Greenwood

    My only concern is not having Sterling but I feel there's slightly more balance here and KDB is a fairly solid bet when fit!

    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I'm sure I've had this combination of players in one of my drafts. I like it.

      No Wilson or Sterling are the compromises.

      1. golfboy
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Yes agreed... Sterling + Wilson might be preferable to Fraser + KDB but tough to do. I'm sure I'll change it a few more times

    2. pingissimus
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      Nice

      Over the first two there's an argument that Auba has the better fixtures compared to Kane, .

  28. drinkup245
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    If anyone is interested in a cash league, we can use some fresh blood. Been running for about 7 years now. Typically around 30-40 entrants. Top 3 win cash. Also prizes for monthly winners. drinkup245@gmail.com for info.

    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      "fresh blood" being the appropriate phrase 😉

      1. 32chickens
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        nice

    2. jtreble
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      FYI: several managers have posted this past week wanting to join a cash league.

    3. EMBOLOFAN
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      how much?

      1. drinkup245
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        The buy in is $50 usd and we can accept via paypal.

        Here is our tentative prize structure. We typically get around 30-40 entrants.

        Prize structure for 2019/20 season

        1st
        -Cash to be determined based on number of entrants
        -Apple 3 series watch or Samsung Gear S3 Frontier intl ver

        2nd
        -Cash to be determined based on number of entrants
        -Amazon Fire TV cube with Alexa voice control and 4k ultra hd streaming media player

        3rd
        -Cash to be determined based on number of entrants
        -JBL GO2 waterproof ultra portable bluetooth speaker

        4th
        -$50 usd cash
        -Bose soundsport in-ear headphones

        Monthly winners (players making the most points in a month)
        -$50 usd cash

  29. fc_skrald
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    Is Noble still on penalties for West Ham?

    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      He took one and scored vs Man City in pre-season the other day.

      1. fc_skrald
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks - he only costs 5.0, could be worth a try then

        1. Twisted Saltergater
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 9 months ago

          We could also have Norwood and Jorginho @5m on pens too 🙂

          1. Ask Yourself
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 9 months ago

            Norwood is the one. Jorginho I doubt will make that team

    2. Ask Yourself
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      If on the pitch yeah but with Wilshere back like a new signing and fornals who is an actual new signing both taking up CM spots ahead of Rice it will be tricky to see who to drop unless Wilshere gets his usual injury

    3. LSK
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I can see Haller getting them personally. He has a good record and is a big money signing. Makes sense to give him pens to boost his goal tally and keep his confidence high. Plus Noble may play a lot less minutes this season with added competition in midfield.

      1. fc_skrald
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks - it is a risk then, but I need to gamble with a max 5.0 mill midtfielder ☺

  30. Tosa86
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 9 months ago

    first FPL draft:

    ederson- button
    Digne - robertson- VVD - reid- kelly
    Salah - Siggy/B.SIlva - zaha - moutinho - hayden
    king - kun - jota

    any suggestion?

    Kun or sterling?
    siggy/b. silva?
    hayden or other 4.5?