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Dugout Discussion September 14

Firmino falls foul of rotation as Salah and Mané start for Liverpool

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Rotation inspired by the Champions League has finally arrived in the Premier League as Liverpool host Newcastle this afternoon.

Roberto Firmino (£9.5m) has fallen foul of it at Anfield, dropping to the bench with Divock Origi (£5.4m) leading the Reds’ line. Perhaps that is no surprise as the Brazilian was in action for his country in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

Ahead of a packed fixture list with seven games in 21 days, Jurgen Klopp has also opted to give Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (£6.3m) his first league start of 2019/20 at the expense of captain Jordan Henderson (£5.5m).

Liverpool’s defensive quartet remains unchanged in the form of Trent Alexander-Arnold (£7.1m), Virgil Van Dijk (£6.5m), Joel Matip (£5.5m) and Andy Robertson (£6.9m) with Adrian (£4.6m) continuing to marshall the backline in the absence of Alisson (£5.8m). 

Klopp’s decision to rest both Henderson and Firmino is telling of the packed fixture list that sits on the horizon, yet this may also point to a propensity for rotation within Liverpool’s squad over the winter months, but for now the highly owned attacking assets of Mohamed Salah (£12.5m) and Saido Mane (£11.5m) retain their starting berths. 

Steve Bruce has opted to make just one change to the Newcastle side who drew with Watford last time out, with Jonjo Shelvey (£5.0m) earning a start in place of Sean Longstaff (£5.0m). 

The attacking option in the form of Shelvey as opposed to the more defensively-orientated Longstaff could be telling of Bruce’s plans to play swift, counter-attacking football against the Reds, but the likes of Fabien Schar (£5.0m), Jamal Lascelles (£4.5m) Paul Dummett (£4.5m) and Emil Krafth (£4.5m) will have to be on top of their game at Anfield to take anything from the side who currently sit 1st in the Premier League going into Gameweek 5. 

Liverpool XI (4-3-3): Adrian; Alexander-Arnold, Van Dijk, Matip, Robertson; Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Oxlade-Chamberlain; Mane, Salah, Origi.

Newcastle XI (5-3-2): Dubravka, Schar, Lascelles, Dummett, Krafth, Hayden, Shelvey, Willems, Atsu, Joelinton, Almiron.

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  1. My heart goes Salalalalah
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Plenty Mané VC jam if Sterling doesn't play

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    1. WVA
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Mane VC, Aguero C

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    2. Fernando Torres
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      That wouldn't be jammy...

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      1. My heart goes Salalalalah
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Nah joking. I'm in the same boat. That's planning

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    3. Sedemuda
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Same for me. Obvious VC for Sterling.

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  2. Rainer
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Firmino intended target assist.

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  3. Christina.
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Mane EO in top 10k only 15%

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    1. Clintymints
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      And probably very few caps

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  4. Make United Great Again
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Sadio Mané has now scored 25 Premier League goals from the start of last season, no Liverpool player has more.

    The Main Man(é) strikes again

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  5. Rainer
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Mane limping

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    1. WVA
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Still better than Salah with a limp

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  6. Hazz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Nearly at 2 million OR after this.

    Christ almighty 😀

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  7. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Salah has been anonymous

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  8. FISSH
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Early kick off captain success must feel good. Well done Mane cappers. I couldn't do it!

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  9. Top Lad Dakes.
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    May have to go Mane over Mo when I play WC - extra 1.0 could be useful

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    1. WVA
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      The cool kids did that over the international break

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    2. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Nah i still wouldn’t

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      1. pingissimus
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Sand meet head

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    3. My heart goes Salalalalah
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Weren't you just giving people sh*t for owning Mané? You must be fun at parties...

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      1. Top Lad Dakes.
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Wouldn't call that giving people sh*t. You must be sensitive.

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        1. My heart goes Salalalalah
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          Didn't ask what you call a tantrum. I'm telling you. Just relax a bit

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  10. BRKFCTrueRover
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Everyone calm down Salah could easily score 2 in the 2nd half!

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    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      So could Mane.

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    2. Herman Toothrot
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      And the rest

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  11. Ian Davis
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Best 4.5-4.8 defender option?

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  12. SADIO SANÉ
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    holy shite that was disappointing

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    1. Annie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Change your name?

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      1. SADIO SANÉ
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        I'd rather transfer just him in - I liked the idea of corners and pens making Salah a better pick :'( two years ago, when everyone was creaming over Salah I had Mane all season and refused to get Mo 😀

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        1. SADIO SANÉ
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          good English there

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  13. Gudjohnsen
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    This is painful to watch as a Salah capper and non Mané owner.

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    1. Garlana
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Yeh I'm with you, awful from Salah really, he's done nothing

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  14. Hazz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    The Newcastle player this just got blasted in the face :O

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  15. ZeBestee
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Mane and Salah will BOTH score plenty over the season. Relax.

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    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Wondering whether that extra £1m is better invested elsewhere.

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      1. ZeBestee
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Yeah, next week may be Salah's week. We have see that whole of last season. If you really need the 1m, downgrade to Mane and stick with 1 for longer.

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      2. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        dont wonder.

        😉

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      3. pingissimus
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        At start of season they were almost precisely equal value. Never did get the only one million argument . One million is a lot - especially on early season budgets

        https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2019/08/02/a-practical-guide-to-finding-undervalued-players/

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  16. Deulofail
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Someone has been anonymous

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    1. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Matip 🙁

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  17. Regin
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    I asked people Salah and rashford to mane and firmino for -4 and people were teasing. My mistake of not going thru with it. Mane clearly better player than Salah.

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    1. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      It wouldn't have been a good transfer long term.

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    2. ZeBestee
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      You didn't say that in the Arsenal game did you?

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    3. nxh84
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      I will still keep salah because in the long term, i think both will score similar points. This week could be mane who scores, next week may be Salah. However, i will definitely swap rashford to firmino

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    4. Valar(Keith)
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Are you showing off your weak willpower?

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  18. barracuda
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Salah cappers in top 10k?

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    1. Longlatini
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      30.9%

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    2. JonBoy
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      I'm one. Not sitting comfy.

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    3. barracuda
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Cheers

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  19. HollywoodXI
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Feeling a bit better about my Firmino transfer now 🙂

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  20. FOO FIGHTER
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Liverpool, Liverpool, Liverpool, Liverpool...

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    1. Random Name
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Why aren't you taking the piss out of people who picked Mane over Salah?

      oh wait...

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      1. pingissimus
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Waiting for the new Foo Fighter team where he has Salah and Mane as certain holds until the end of the season

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  21. gooberman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Had Mane (C) all week but changed to Sterling last. Looks likely I will regret that.

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    1. Gudjohnsen
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Nah, Sterling will haul because he's my vc.

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  22. Ady87
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Take the rough with the smooth. Held Salah when everyone dropped him and got his haul. Also, if there is one player capable of hauling the same points as Mané second half, it’s Salah. Just disappointed if considered Mané on my WC this week and bottled it.

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  23. Rainer
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Do Sterling C, Mane VC’ers want a Sterling benching?

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    1. CRO KLOPP
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Don't want Sterling cameo tbh

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    2. XabiAlonso
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Na just to outscore Salah with a city loss

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    3. My heart goes Salalalalah
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      70' or nothing

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  24. Peter Ouch
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Salah will still overscore Mane.
    These moves from a big hitter to each other are pointless

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    1. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      This

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    2. Pacer.
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Will he though?

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      1. Peter Ouch
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Same goals but more assist for Salah.
        Even if he wont they will be so close that it's not worth it swapping each other.

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        1. Christina.
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          exactly, just buy Mane and save the money.

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    3. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      he needs to outscore him big time though. thats the difference. Plus, if you own Salah @ 12.5m you need to (c) him week in week out...something about diluting points per million...or so they say.

      🙄

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  25. SHOOTER MCGINN
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Mane is worth 12.5m

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    1. Cok3y5murf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      11.5 is perfect. It's just baffling some people thought that was expensive

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      1. Cok3y5murf
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        ...when he got 231 points.

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  26. T.Henry14
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    2 FT and very tempting to do Salah&Pieters ----> Mane&Otamendi.

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    1. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Kneejerk

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      1. T.Henry14
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Mane or Salah, it doesn't matter, but 1M gives me Otamendi from City's def cover instead of Pieters (have Pope).

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  27. Dele
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Salah to Mane is the move to make, people on here have been speaking about it for weeks.

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    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      yet no one listened.

      sheep

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    2. Johnny 8
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Until Pool play away and Mane does jack.

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      1. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        like he did vs South? or Burnley?

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  28. dshv
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Have salah but my captain is sterling so now lets get my goal for him but later lets get my hat trick for Sterling...

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  29. TAT
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Can do Salah + Jota > Mané + Haller for free (with 0.0 itb after the transfers)..

    Yay or nay?

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  30. Camzy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    I really hate the captaincy. I think it just adds short term randomness in a game that's about longevity and planning ahead. So much of it is just luck to get it right.

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    1. PogChamp
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Same. Probably because I'm hopeless at it.

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    2. Cok3y5murf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Same here. It's a lottery and the most luck-oriented thing in the game. But without it, the game would be quite boring.

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      1. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        this. You can be having a bad gameweek but have the hope of your captain turning things around.

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    3. Random Name
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      This is an awful awful take

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