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Firmino falls foul of rotation as Salah and Mané start for Liverpool

Rotation inspired by the Champions League has finally arrived in the Premier League as Liverpool host Newcastle this afternoon.

Roberto Firmino (£9.5m) has fallen foul of it at Anfield, dropping to the bench with Divock Origi (£5.4m) leading the Reds’ line. Perhaps that is no surprise as the Brazilian was in action for his country in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

Ahead of a packed fixture list with seven games in 21 days, Jurgen Klopp has also opted to give Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (£6.3m) his first league start of 2019/20 at the expense of captain Jordan Henderson (£5.5m).

Liverpool’s defensive quartet remains unchanged in the form of Trent Alexander-Arnold (£7.1m), Virgil Van Dijk (£6.5m), Joel Matip (£5.5m) and Andy Robertson (£6.9m) with Adrian (£4.6m) continuing to marshall the backline in the absence of Alisson (£5.8m). 

Klopp’s decision to rest both Henderson and Firmino is telling of the packed fixture list that sits on the horizon, yet this may also point to a propensity for rotation within Liverpool’s squad over the winter months, but for now the highly owned attacking assets of Mohamed Salah (£12.5m) and Saido Mane (£11.5m) retain their starting berths. 

Steve Bruce has opted to make just one change to the Newcastle side who drew with Watford last time out, with Jonjo Shelvey (£5.0m) earning a start in place of Sean Longstaff (£5.0m). 

The attacking option in the form of Shelvey as opposed to the more defensively-orientated Longstaff could be telling of Bruce’s plans to play swift, counter-attacking football against the Reds, but the likes of Fabien Schar (£5.0m), Jamal Lascelles (£4.5m) Paul Dummett (£4.5m) and Emil Krafth (£4.5m) will have to be on top of their game at Anfield to take anything from the side who currently sit 1st in the Premier League going into Gameweek 5. 

Liverpool XI (4-3-3): Adrian; Alexander-Arnold, Van Dijk, Matip, Robertson; Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Oxlade-Chamberlain; Mane, Salah, Origi.

Newcastle XI (5-3-2): Dubravka, Schar, Lascelles, Dummett, Krafth, Hayden, Shelvey, Willems, Atsu, Joelinton, Almiron.

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  1. HNI
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Really surprised to see Salah on 2 bonus points! he doesnt even get 2 after scoring a winner forget third goal

    1. Gudjohnsen
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      He's on one

      1. Camzy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        He's 2 now actually 😀

        9 points I'll take.

    2. FISSH
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Yes that is weird. He's lost the ball a few times too

    3. Maddamotha
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Tbf he hasnt lost possesion as much as he usually does, and has created quite a few chances.

    4. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      He was invisible for most of the game. I agree. But fpl has its rules for points.

  2. Gudjohnsen
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Salah one BAP?

  3. fr3d
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    I want Firmino in my team

    1. Top Lad Dakes.
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      me 2

    2. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      So good, so sexy.

      1. Cilly Bonnolly
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Easy there tiger.

  4. Rainer
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Plenty of deductions to come.

  5. The Ejiptian King
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Just seen no Montoya in squad, excellent, what a signing he's been.

    1. WVA
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Fail

    2. HNI
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Better than also those free kick outs of herrera and smalling you foolish twat

    3. Ask Yourself
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Had a feeling potter was going to do something weird with him

    4. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Won't feel bad about Barnes going HAM now at least. Cantwell to come in lol!

    5. sunzip14
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Better than Dunk for attacking returns they said!

      1. The Ejiptian King
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        I'd take any kind of returns at all from him at this point.

  6. The Overthinker
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    How about this team on a wc

    Pope
    Lowton Cahill soyunchu mings
    Kdb sterling Salah mane
    Ayew Firmino

    Dendoncker Lindstrom 4.4

    It's actually possible

    1. WVA
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Dreadful

    2. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Puked a little in my mouth

    3. Canary_Kid
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      I've got something similar:
      Pope Button
      Zinch Soy Montoya Guilbert Lund
      Salah Sterling Mane KDB Cantwell
      Haller Pukki Wickham

  7. Dr. Agabuse
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    what happened before with Trent? Did he have another chance or was he in the way of smns chance?

    1. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Had a really good chance running onto a loose ball in the 6 yard box. His xGI will be monstrous this game.

    2. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Played some lovely 1-2s with Salah, ended up with a chance to shoot in the box. He did strike but Salah was kind of in the way, swivelling around so not as clear-cut of a strike as one would have liked.

  8. Hy liverpool
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Firmino is pure class. You have to love him

    1. HNI
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      He is best player of Liverpool but doesnt get the credit he deserves. Very underated much like Son

      1. Guru Mediation
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Neither are underrated. They're both acknowledged as fundamental to their teams. Especially Bobby

    2. George Sillett
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Fantastic player.

    3. JonBoy
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Unique player. Not one like him anywhere.

  9. have you seen cyan
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    sweet Salah on for 2 baps

    1. WVA
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      He shouldn't be

      1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        FPL handed him a load of baps from nowhere. Either Sutherns is up to his tricks or it's an error

        1. ‘Tis the Season
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          Sour much..

          1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 7 months ago

            I've got my own stalker..Wahoo. can I feel your muscles ?

    2. nxh84
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Should have been firmino for 2 baps

  10. Top Lad Dakes.
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    BPS deductions still to come guys.

    1. AzzaroMax99
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      1bps for Salah at least.

    2. Mr Arsenal
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Are you saying that Salah might even get 3BPS?

      1. Joyce1998
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        no it'll be
        mane- 3
        firmino- 2
        salah- 1

        1. EMBOLOFAN
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          why

  11. Rainer
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Did Mark captain Salah?

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Dunno

    2. KGFC
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Yep

      1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        That explains the random baps then.

    3. tutankamun
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Yes

    4. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Does it matter?

  12. IRBOX ⚽
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Mane is pretty bad

    1. jtreble
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      No hat trick. Poor.

    2. FISSH
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Excuse me

      1. jtreble
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Ignore. Troll.

    3. BERGKOP
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      11th, 11th, 7th, 8th, 8th........

  13. Tomerick
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Salah captain not a fail at least but I’m going to be cowering during the City game.

    1. HNI
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      pretty jammed with those 2 baps. Hoping for goal and assist bySterling

  14. Dr. Agabuse
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    is it over yet (voice from behind the sofa)?

  15. KGFC
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Will take that as a Salah owner but Non capper.

    1. Top Lad Dakes.
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Same. Fingers crossed for a Sterling haul later.

  16. ZeBestee
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Today showed that if Salah wants baps, then he can get them.

    1. EMBOLOFAN
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      hes been working hard this summer to improve his baps

      1. Tomerick
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        He’s been maintaining a bap heavy diet over the international break.

      2. ZeBestee
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Played like a team player today. Shows how good he really is.

    2. nxh84
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Fpl being generous to Salah, the 2baps shd have been firmino’s and the 1 bap to robbo

      1. EMBOLOFAN
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        theres a system its not random lol

      2. ZeBestee
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Fpl don't dictate baps, players themselves do on the pitch.

    3. HNI
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      he got less fouled and improved passing

  17. Dr. Agabuse
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    how bad? like worst or just pretty bad?
    or evil?

  18. EMBOLOFAN
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    trent 16 crosses

    1. Cok3y5murf
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Inconsistent with the accuracy though.

      1. EMBOLOFAN
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        if ur putting 16 in it doesnt really matter

    2. IRBOX ⚽
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      0 effective. anyone can whip a poor ball

      1. Tomerick
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        I think we know it’s rare that he whips in a poor ball.

      2. EMBOLOFAN
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        lol

    3. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      How many assists?

      1. EMBOLOFAN
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        2 in 4 so far mate

  19. Rainer
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Mane 41
    Salah 36
    Firmino 33

    1. Dannyb
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      How the hell? Salah was awful today apart from the goal.

      1. Guru Mediation
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        What were you watching? The play barely went anywhere near him in first half but he was tidy in possession whenever it did. Then took his chance really well in second half

      2. BERGKOP
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Agreed

    2. Respect My Authoritah
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Rarity for Salah

    3. Ask Yourself
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Ohhhh boy salah BAPs magnet

    4. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Thanks Rainer

    5. nxh84
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Should have been:
      Mane
      Firmino
      Robbo

    6. Amey
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      18 points from Mo © then
      Cheers buddy

  20. Respect My Authoritah
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Montoya ➡️ Otamendi looks a dead cert move for me this week then

  21. Ask Yourself
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 7 months ago

    Omg did Schär get injured wow I give up going for differentials now I am cursed he was meant to be playing for me next GW

    1. SADIO SANÉ
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      looked injured, carried on for a bit, probably is injured

      1. MTPockets
          4 years, 7 months ago

          yeah this. He asked to be subbed

        • Ask Yourself
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          Rats

          1. SADIO SANÉ
            • 8 Years
            4 years, 7 months ago

            feel the same with Montoya (and Trossard) - I don't mind differentials failing because I'm terrible, but bad luck isn't cool

      2. MITHRRANDIRR
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Yes, hapless defending on for Salah goal and got injured at the same moment.

    2. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Firmino is not underrated, he’s just not seen as good a FPL option as Salah and Mane.

      1. Ask Yourself
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        And their defence

      2. Respect My Authoritah
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Lol

        Probably the most correctly rated player ever 🙂

        1. Wild Rover
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          I’ve lost count of the number of posts claiming he is underrated. I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t think he’s a top quality player

          1. Respect My Authoritah
            • 10 Years
            4 years, 7 months ago

            Agreed

          2. Epic Fail
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            4 years, 7 months ago

            Exactly that. If everyone is saying he is underrated then he clearly isn't underrated.

      3. tokara
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Firmino is...we are talking about football sense..he is under rated

        1. Epic Fail
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          Who doesn't rate him highly?

        2. Guru Mediation
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          Nonsense. He is acknowledged as fundamental to the way they play.

        3. Wild Rover
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          I’m also talking in a football sense and he isn’t

        4. Maddi Son
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          It's weird that everybody has been saying he's underrated for years now. Ask a random old lady in Tesco and even she'll say he's underrated.

          If everybody says he's underrated, doesn't that make him rated?

        5. Brosstan
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          Literally everyone rates him as essential for liverpools success...

      4. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        There’s a 3m and 2m difference tbf.

        1. Wild Rover
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 7 months ago

          Not the point though

          1. Twisted Saltergater
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 7 months ago

            You're comparing apples with pears though. Last season they were comparable because they were all a similar price, but this year he may be the best 9.5m player (after KdB) in the game.

            By no means a replacement captain option but in addition to.

            1. Wild Rover
              • 13 Years
              4 years, 7 months ago

              No, I’m simply saying that in the real world he isn’t underrated. The FPL reference is irrelevant 🙂

              1. Twisted Saltergater
                • 14 Years
                4 years, 7 months ago

                Oh I see. I think I’m interpreting “underrated” from an FPL point of view, as he’s widely accepted to be a world class player (like you say!).

      5. ZeBestee
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        That may change this season.

      6. have you seen cyan
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        the only people who could under-rate Firmino is those who just expect a CF to score goals and nothign else.

    3. Dr. Agabuse
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Who has more fantasy points in 2019? Mane or Salah?

      1. WVA
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        I would imagine Mane by some distance

      2. BERGKOP
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Hard to say. Salah just, by the end of the season.

    4. Doctor Evil
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Should of captained Mane instead of Sterling. D’oh!

      1. JonBoy
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Cant be sure of that yet...!

      2. BERGKOP
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Hind..... Sight

    5. WVA
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      BAPS and price changes are getting more fixed by the season!

    6. HNI
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Liv look likely for 3 cleanies in next 7 with quite some tricky matches. GW 13 best time forbLiv double up with VVD to come in for hectic boxing day nailedness

      1. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Come again?

      2. FPL_Crisis
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        World club championship might have a say

    7. My heart goes Salalalalah
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Now just a Kun and Kdb blank and we're laughing

    8. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      TAA: xGI = 0.99

      That 0.01 would have been nice 😀

      (Yes I know that's not how it works.)

    9. Ze_Austin
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Hold the freaking press

      Chelsea playing WING BACK?!

      1. Respect My Authoritah
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Indeed

      2. diesel001
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Conte style.

        To neutralise Wolves' 3-5-2.

    10. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Robbo catching TAA today in overall points. Who will come out on top over the season?

      1. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        TAA

      2. Respect My Authoritah
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Based on today's display, Trent

      3. ‘Tis the Season
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Should be neither here nor there with them

      4. WVA
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        TAA will smash him if they play same minutes

      5. Cok3y5murf
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Doesn't matter. Just own who looks good now.

      6. Camzy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        TAA. If you had watched the game, he had a number of really good chances and put in a ton of crosses.

      7. Eddie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        TAA provided he doesn't lose game time to Gomez.

      8. FPL_Crisis
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 7 months ago

        Robbo was very advanced as usual and should’ve actually scored himself. I get the TAA love but I expect both to be around the same overall season points. I’ll say ~180