Scout Notes

Another blank for Pukki as Villa expose Norwich’s leaky defence

Norwich City 1-5 Aston Villa

Goals: Josip Drmic (£5.4m) | Wesley (£6.0m) x2, Jack Grealish (£5.9m), Conor Hourihane (£5.7m), Douglas Luiz (£4.5m)
Assists: None | Anwar El Ghazi (£5.5m) x2, Hourihane, Matt Targett (£4.4m) Wesley
Bonus Points: Wesley x3, Michael McGovern (£4.0m) x2, Hourihane x1

Norwich City’s thrill-a-minute return to the Premier League continued on Saturday with a 5-1 battering at home by fellow promoted side Aston Villa.

The commitment of Daniel Farke’s team to attacking football is refreshing, exhilarating and, increasingly, self-defeating. Since Gameweek 5’s famous 3-2 win over Manchester City, the Canaries have lost three straight games by an aggregate score of 1-9.

Their well-documented injury woes – just the nine regulars unavailable against Villa – goes some way to explaining all of that, but an inability to defend on even the most basic level is starting to look like a terminal issue.

It was certainly exploited by the visitors, with striker Wesley (£6.0m) enjoying by far his best display since his summer move to the Midlands. He opened the scoring when he controlled Anwar El Ghazi‘s (£5.5m) cross and turned and fired past Norwich keeper Michael McGovern (£4.0m), before he doubled the lead with a tap-in from Conor Hourihane‘s (£5.7m) low ball from the left.

That made it four goals in eight starts for the Brazilian – not exactly a bad return for a forward who some Villa fans were criticising after last week’s 2-2 draw with Burnley.

He added an assist for the fifth goal when Douglas Luiz (£4.5m) curled home from distance to bring in 14 points, including maximum bonus, for his 2.0% Fantasy Premier League (FPL) ownership.

The only downer on his day came when he had a first-half penalty, and the rebound, saved by McGovern – a blip which cost that ownership a further six points.

Despite all that, there is no indication of an FPL rush to bring in Wesley just yet, probably because a) it was only Norwich, b) the international break is upon us and c) Villa’s upcoming schedule is far from appealing.

Dean Smith’s side host Brighton in Gameweek 9 before embarking on a punishing six-match run involving two trips to Manchester, one to Chelsea and a home fixture against Liverpool.

However uninspired Manchester United, or generous at the back Chelsea, might be, no side will be anywhere near as accommodating as Norwich at present.

The Canaries allowed their visitors 22 shots, of which 12 were on target; Villa’s midfield ran riot as a result.

Jack Grealish (£5.9m) made it 3-0 when he combined sweetly with El Ghazi, and the tireless Hourihane then capped a fine individual performance with his first goal of the season, set up by the equally industrious Matt Targett (£4.4m).

But while Wesley stole all the headlines, it was El Ghazi who was arguably the star of the show.

The Holland international now has two goals and three assists from his last five games and he was joint-top for chances created at Carrow Road. With just 0.8% ownership, he could be a major differential, particularly when Villa’s schedule eases dramatically from Gameweek 17 onwards.

One player proving way more popular than El Ghazi is the 11.7%-owned John McGinn (£5.8m), who came into the match with back-to-back goals and 214,000+ new owners to his name.

His blank was a bitter blow, as was the late consolation goal handed to Norwich when Tyrone Mings‘ (£4.6m) ill-judged back pass to Tom Heaton (£4.5m) allowed substitute Josip Drmic (£5.4m) to charge down the keeper’s attempted clearance and roll the ball into the empty net. That denied Villa a third clean sheet of the season – and a first away from home – but manager Smith was happy to dwell on events further up the pitch:

They were really good goals, our tactical discipline was really good today. Our performances have been there. That result today is probably what we’ve deserved in the last few weeks. – Dean Smith

And he was keen to praise Wesley:

He’s a young player, he’s only 22, he’s been in Belgium for a year or two and then Slovakia before that. So it’s a new culture, a new team a new group of players, and a big price tag. But he handles it well and I saw a big response from him this week. – Dean Smith.

Wesley’s Norwich counterpart, the 43.5%-owned Teemu Pukki (£7.2m), could only dream of receiving such praise.

After three double-digit returns from his first five matches, the Finn has now blanked for three straight Gameweeks.

Norwich attacked throughout on Saturday – the top four players for penalty area touches all came from the home side, with Pukki among them.

But the Finland international managed just two shots, neither of which were on target, and has had just seven attempts across his current barren spell.

It is no surprise, therefore, that he is currently Gameweek 9’s most-sold player, even with a trip to a Bournemouth side without a clean sheet to come next.

The Canaries’ other popular asset, the 25.7%-owned Todd Cantwell (£4.9m), survived an injury scare to start against Villa, but he also blanked for a third Gameweek running.

He did at least out-shoot Pukki and he was also joint-top with Emiliano Buendia (£6.0m) for chances created among the home players. And the third-most-owned Norwich player in FPL? That would be goalkeeper McGovern (5.6%).

The 380,000+ Fantasy geniuses who have the Canaries’ third-choice stopper in their squads would have walked away with nine points yesterday courtesy of his penalty heroics, six other saves and two bonus points.

But that was if – and it’s a big if – he wasn’t languishing on their benches in all his £4.0m glory.

Glory was certainly far from Farke’s mind post-match:

We have to accept this loss. We made too many mistakes. We created maybe more than they did in the first half, but the mistakes and the goals we were conceded were not good enough. We had so many on the pitch playing with pain killers and they have not been able to train properly this week. So really we are not prepared as we need to be. Then in addition, one or two crucial players do not have their best day. – Daniel Farke

In truth, only McGovern had his best day against Villa, and even he looked nervy before his spot-kick save.

As for the rest of the players, the international break looks to have come at just the right time, allowing them to escape overseas, take a break or recover from injury – whatever is needed to reverse a slide that is looking unstoppable at the moment.

How many Fantasy managers keep faith in the likes of Pukki and Cantwell before November’s final break of the year is unclear. Their fixtures are okay – Bournemouth and Brighton away, Man United and Watford at Carrow Road – but their form is anything but.

Members Analysis

Norwich (4-2-3-1): McGovern; Aarons, Amadou, Godfrey, Lewis; Leitner, McLean; Buendia, Stiepermann (Roberts 76′), Cantwell (Srbeny 80′); Pukki (Drmic 84′).

Aston Villa (4-3-3): Heaton; Guilbert, Engels (Konsa 75′), Mings, Targett; McGinn, Nakamba, Hourihane (Douglas Luiz 78′); El Ghazi (Trezeguet 64′), Wesley, Grealish.

Lessons learned from Gameweek 8

3,153 Comments Post a Comment
  1. kidzac
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    I just love fpl. Just have to laugh at how it makes fun of me so much. The list of 1 pointers I've got vs norwich who have shipped in that many goals is incredible. Kdb, ayew, and this week mcginn!

    1. Syd.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      I enjoy the low scoring weeks much more than the high scoring ones.

      The despair is comical

      1. GreennRed
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Some reactions like it's life threatening!!!

  2. Rik Waller
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Which he do we get the 2nd WC?

    1. Rik Waller
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Gw*

    2. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      GW20.

  3. Brosstan
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Im very likely to do Aguero + Barnes + James -> Vardy + Wilson + CHO (-4). Leave extra money to upgrade elsewhere too.

    Had it with Aguero and constant fear of benching.

    1. Sgt. Schultz
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Who are your Captaincy candidates?

      1. Brosstan
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Salah

    2. DontPiqueTooSoon
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      I wouldn't ditch Aguero

  4. PocketZola
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    WC Active! First draft, what do you think?

    pope
    taa lund tomori
    mane sterling mount yarm
    auba abraham h.wilson

    subs, kelly, rico, dend

    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      h wilson?

      1. PocketZola
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        bour has good fix

        1. Christina.
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          c wilson

        2. Business Cat
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          ...he's a midfielder

      2. Amey
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        OOP

    2. dee_top
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Very similar to mine below.
      Lack of Leicester

    3. DontPiqueTooSoon
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      No Leicester

  5. Slitherene
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Heaton
    Soyuncu Tomori Digne* VvD*
    Mount Son Salah KdB
    C.Wilson Pukki*
    Pope Diop Ayew* Stephens
    2 FT, 2.2 ITB

    A) Pukki -> Vardy

    OR

    B) Ayew -> Vardy, funded by either VvD -> Lascelles or Digne -> Rico

  6. dee_top
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Rate my WC team:

    Ryan
    TAA Pereira Tomori
    Mane KDB Maddison Mount
    Auba Abraham C.Wilson

    Subs: Button Lundstram Rico Dendoncker

    1. PocketZola
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      i like it, im wondering whether to keep sterling to bring in kdb again after selling him last week

    2. Squib
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Blew my WC last week but that team is almost where I am now. Bringing in Mount and Pereira next week.

  7. CFC1990
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Thoughts on the WC team:

    Pope
    Tomori, Soyunchu, Otamendi
    Sterling, Maddison, KDB, Mount
    Aubameyang, Pukki, Abraham

    Gazzaniga, Cantwell, Lundstram, Rico

    2.6m itb

    May stick with TAA/Robbo

    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      get TAA
      Get Mane
      LOse Pukki

      1. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Lose Ota

    2. dee_top
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Poor defense

      1. Bury94
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        How?

    3. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Vardy?

  8. Rash
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Bottomed

    What would you do with this lot?

    Pope button
    Trent otamendi lundy soy montoya 
    Salah sterling kdb mount cantwell 
    Barnes pukki tammy 

    2ft 5itb WC available

    1. Gudjohnsen
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Get rid of Barnes and Pukki for Wilson and Vardy?

    2. dee_top
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Get rid of Barnes and Pukki

    3. FPL_DON
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      I'd be tempted to WC

      1. Rash
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        WC? Who would you take out?

  9. Do I Not Like Orange
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Do you prefer Tomori or Rico as a Wilson/Vardy enabler next GW? (rest of defence is TAA Soy Lund Montoya)

    1. FPL_DON
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Cant see tomori getting many cs

    2. Squib
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      I have Tomori but he looked suspect today. Not sure what Lampard will feel moving forward. Clean sheets not looking likely tbh.

      1. Do I Not Like Orange
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Maybe go Rico for money saved & assist potential then? Think premiums other than Trent are just a waste atm and CS seem to be a lottery.

    3. DontPiqueTooSoon
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Tomori at home is decent. He has looked good to be fair on a young player making his way into the first team. Away will be more hit and miss.

  10. FPL_DON
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    On WC, who would you rather:
    A) Mane
    or
    B) Auba

    1. dee_top
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Auba or both

      1. FPL_DON
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        cheers mate, bit tough though!

    2. Amey
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Mane

  11. Shatner's Bassoon
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    2FTs for the IB which is always good. Pretty sure Callum Wilson’s coming in for me.

    Zinchenko -> Soyuncu or Tomori?

    Pukki or Haller -> Wilson?

    1. Bibelnissen
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Assuming you have Lundstram, for me, Tomori rotates better with him. If you also have someone like Rico, might want to check that out. Ideally you want to have someone cover GW12 for Soy or GW13 for Tomori.

      Not ready to give up on Pukki just yet, so Haller for me.

      1. Shatner's Bassoon
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Yeah fair points. Leaning towards binning Haller as well.

        Cheers

  12. Pedi
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    FPL noob here, is Free Hit chip the same as a wildcard?

    1. Ógie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Pretty much,only difference is it only lasts for one gw and then you are back to the team you started with.

    2. Amey
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Not exactly
      One GW, Unlimited FT.
      Revert back to your previous GW team after FH gw.

    3. Drexl Spivey
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      It's better than a wildcard. Once you've ballsed it up it disappears like nothing happened.

    4. Squib
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      It is a one week wildcard that reverts back to your previous team the following week (if that makes sense?)

    5. DGW Sane TC Fail....
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      No ..When you do a free hit it changes your team for just one Gameweek and reverts back to your previous Gameweek team.,

  13. The Ejiptian King
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Hmm, back to both TAA and Robbo with Alisson back?

    1. Rainer
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      After City.

      1. Brosstan
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        City cant even score against a team that shipped 5 to Chelsea

    2. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Yup

  14. cravencottage
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    On WC, currently only have KDB from City, and this feels light. Question:
    A) Auba
    B) Kun

    1. dee_top
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      I prefer Auba
      Kun under rotation risk

    2. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      A

  15. The SK
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    27 points all out this GW. Early thoughts on this? (WC is an option)

    Heaton Button
    Robertson Aurier Tomori Pieters Lundstram
    Salah Sterling KDB Son Dendoncker
    Pukki Barnes Greenwood

    2FT 0.1ITB

    1. FPL_DON
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Wildcarded a similar team

    2. ritzyd
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Can probably get that in shape with a -4/-8 though? Looks decent enough at the core.

  16. Surfeit of Lampteys
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    What's an alright score for fpl this weekend?

    1. Dosh
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      40 is ok. 45 is good. 50 is great!

      1. Surfeit of Lampteys
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        Haha thanks. Very almost good for me then. Sufficient I'll go with.

    2. Slitherene
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      40+

  17. Riggs
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Does the hits worth it?
    A) Salah, Barnes and Pukki OUT -> Maddison, Auba and C.Wilson IN for -4
    B) Salah, Sterling, Barnes and Pukki OUT -> Mane, Maddison, Auba and C.Wilson IN for -8

    If that helps my team is:
    Ryan (Button)
    Otamendi VVD Matip (Lundstram) (Kelly)
    Salah Sterling KDB Mount (Cantwell)
    Barnes Pukki Abraham

  18. Bartowski
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    I know Aguero has no international games but does Jesus also get a rest?

    Can see him starting against Palace if so.

    1. Business Cat
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Nah, Jesus starts most games for Brazil

      1. Bartowski
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 5 months ago

        One to monitor perhaps, the fixtures look like friendlies

    2. DGW Sane TC Fail....
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      He's looked really poor over the last few games. Am an owner to and i think he could see the bench at Palace even with a 2 week break.

    3. Maddocio
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Brazil have two games in Singapore

  19. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Best moves here for team as set up provisionally for week 9 below

    A Pukki and Salah to Mané and Wilson for free
    B Pukki Salah and Greenwood to Wilson Maddison and Vardy -4

    Pope
    TAA Otamendi Van Dijk Rico
    Salah Sterling KDB Mount
    Pukki Abraham

    McGovern Cantwell Greenwood Diop

    1. DMP
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      B

  20. Nightf0x
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    Pukki to jimenez ? Y or N

    1. Bartowski
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      I would if I had the change

    2. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      n

    3. DontPiqueTooSoon
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      Still not sure on Jimenez. Europa League still might have an impact (I know it didn't look like it today!)

  21. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 5 months ago

    All going down on city TV tonight. Not happy with pep

    https://twitter.com/Ricky92181968/status/1180871947820965888?s=19

    #pepout also trending

    1. Bartowski
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 5 months ago

      That guy looks old enough to remember how City used to be so god knows what he's on about there.

      1. Party time
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Hahahahaha. A very wise old man there

      2. Party time
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Hahahaha...

        • mookie
          • 10 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          That guy has 2 followers ffs.

        • MTPockets
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Wonder how many he had to ask for that response

          • Brosstan
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Pretty sure that is an ancient clip with the City - Wolves result photoshopped on.

          • Maddocio
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            This is now why i’ve pivoted and want Liverpool to win the league, the entitled fans. i used to love the City fans but now they get on my tits

        • thunder_mike
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          CWilson, King + Rick too much Bournemouth for the next two fixtures

          1. thunder_mike
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Lol Rico

          2. Business Cat
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Are you never gonna give them up? 😉

        • niko mate
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Aubameyang or Vardy?

          1. Pedram
            • 10 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Vardy

          2. dee_top
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Auba

          3. The Pesci challenge
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Both

            1. niko mate
              • 7 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              Both is also possible downgrading Digne and taking a hit. thanks for the idea.

        • Ser Davos
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 5 months ago

          Sterling's crippling my season.

          Anyone considered Sterling to Mane in one swoop?

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            • 4 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            I got rid of Sterling many weeks ago.

          2. MTPockets
              4 years, 5 months ago

              If Sterling's your biggest problem then doing ok. No

          3. FOO FIGHTER
            • 4 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            I may have had to get KDB back in shipping out Son but thank heavens I did not take a minus 8 hit this week getting Auba and Sterling in which was the plan. What a disaster that would have been!

          4. Drop Dead Tsimikas
            • 12 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Sign of the times: totally captainw@nked (Pukki) and all my big hitters blanked. OVR shot up almost 400K positions and I have 2FT to use after the IB. Truly a game I am beginning to completely lose grip on.

            1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
              • 12 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              Mini league rival took a FH and scored 19. Yeeeeesh.

              1. Business Cat
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                Impressive 😆

              2. Amey
                • 5 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                F...
                How's that possible 😀
                That's amazing for a chip score

          5. Doctor Evil
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            I can’t get a Captain pick right. Got a total of 82pts from my Captains so far. What you guys got?

            1. mookie
              • 10 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              130

            2. Dosh
              • 10 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              76

            3. Do I Not Like Orange
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              Not sure, but my last 4 have blanked. 3 strikes for Raz, no more armband for him.

            4. DontPiqueTooSoon
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              4 years, 5 months ago

              I don't think many have got their captain picks right. It has been a hell of a season so far getting it right.

          6. Bury94
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 5 months ago

            Beat my 55 points, I dare you

            1. Party time
                4 years, 5 months ago

                Tell that to Adama Traore

              • Big boy Bowen
                • 7 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                Would have done had Connolly come off the bench for me lol

              • Dynamic Duos
                • 10 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                Go away.

              • The Pesci challenge
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                Nope can’t do it, I got 44

              • Bury94
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 6 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                57 even!

              • Business Cat
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                56... (mic drop)

              • TorresMagic™
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 14 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                and the overall rank?

                1. Bury94
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 6 Years
                  4 years, 5 months ago

                  Gone from 471k to 155k

                  1. Party time
                      4 years, 5 months ago

                      Great

              • Maddi Son
                • 6 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                Were their any stand out Bournemouth players today? How did Harry Wilson look?

                1. Lemongrab
                  • 14 Years
                  4 years, 5 months ago

                  King and C.Wilson were their best two players but the team didn't play particularly well. H.Wilson was pretty anonymous but Bournemouth always struggle at the Emirates so wouldn't read too much into it.

                  1. Amey
                    • 5 Years
                    4 years, 5 months ago

                    Cheers for information 🙂

              • Big boy Bowen
                • 7 Years
                4 years, 5 months ago

                Why is it the managers that are always scapegoated?
                Like why do you never see "sack that player", "fire this player"?

                1. MTPockets
                    4 years, 5 months ago

                    Because they get to choose the players that play?

                    1. Big boy Bowen
                      • 7 Years
                      4 years, 5 months ago

                      And if they don't perform its always the manager that gets the full responsibility?

                      1. MTPockets
                          4 years, 5 months ago

                          Yes although full responsibility (in context of manager and club) isn't the same thing as full fault

                          1. Big boy Bowen
                            • 7 Years
                            4 years, 5 months ago

                            Granted, it just always feels like the players are far too protected

                            1. MTPockets
                                4 years, 5 months ago

                                I agree but clubs have to change that culture, and fans have to go along with it