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Why I’m making a move for Adama Traore with an eye on Double Gameweek 24

Let’s Talk FPL’s Andy looks at ways of funding a Liverpool triple-up ahead of Double Gameweek 24.


One step forward, two steps back. That’s the story of my Fantasy Premier League season so far.

The high of my captain Marcus Rashford (£9.1m) scoring in the 95th minute had set me up for jubilation on Saturday evening, only for the decision of not captaining Sadio Mané (£12.3m) or Kevin De Bruyne (£10.5m) to bring me crashing back to reality with yet another red arrow and a rank of 592,933.

What I’m finding is mistakes are bringing indecision. Selling Trent Alexander-Arnold (£7.4m) in Gameweek 18 turned out to be a huge error. Going into Gameweek 20 I decided to hold my transfers instead of taking a further hit to bring in the Liverpool right-back along with Anthony Martial (£7.9m). That turned out to be another mistake.

When things are going well it’s easy to feel like you’ll keep making the right decision; I find the opposite happens when things are going badly.

If I’d had three green arrows over Christmas I think I’d have already made my decision for Gameweek 21. Instead I sit here writing this wondering whether taking out Dele Alli (£8.9m) before Southampton is the right call. If I make that transfer who do I bring in? There’s Martial, which may mean losing Rashford later on to fund three Liverpool players, or I could just bring in Adama Traoré (£5.5m), who would make the money situation a lot easier.

Is this a case of overthinking or not thinking enough? Is Traoré really the answer? I’m not sure any more and the buzz of sugar from all of the Christmas chocolate and mince pies isn’t helping me think clearly.

I continue to look at my team on paper and am quite happy with it. There’s certainly a Liverpool defender-shaped hole which I’ll rectify soon but other than that, it looks good.

Two free transfers means I have to make a move this week though and with Mané my only Liverpool player, I have to think ahead to how I get two more – hence losing Alli this week.

I can’t watch many more Liverpool matches without owning Alexander-Arnold. Liverpool have a full-back who can pass like De Bruyne and it’s a difficult watch for a non-owner.

This is where Traoré comes in. He lets me get three Liverpool players in just three moves. Given that I can only triple captain one, I’m currently leaning towards double defence instead of attack as going for Mohamed Salah (£12.3m) would mean losing De Bruyne. I think fixtures from Gameweek 24 onwards make it viable but it’s still a tough call. 

When you compare Martial and Traoré it doesn’t actually make for bad reading over the last four Gameweeks. The Wolves winger has created more chances and had more goal attempts, although not as many in the box. The quality of the assist potential looks good as well and it’s even better when you consider Wolves have played Spurs, Man City and Liverpool over those fixtures. 

You’d expect Martial to continue to get the better chances in front of goal but the £2.4m difference cannot be ignored.

According to FPL, Traoré is the second-best midfielder in terms of value over the season (based on points per million) and that doesn’t take into account that he played some of the earlier matches at wing-back. 

Given Wolves rested key players in Gameweek 20, I think Watford away might not be as bad a fixture as it may have looked since Nigel Pearson came in. With Newcastle and Southampton to follow, I think I’ve just about talked myself into buying Traoré.

That’s right, I’m going to buy Adama Traoré. At some point in May I’ll look back at where it all went wrong this season. There’s a few key talking points and this may well be one of them.


Andy is the face of Let’s Talk FPL, one of the leading Fantasy YouTube channels and has been a big part of the Scoutcast over a number of years. He has two top 10k finishes and an additional three inside the top 20k over nine years.

2,170 Comments Post a Comment
  1. MGMT
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    The most popular Question today,

    Grealish -> Traoré for free?

    Forget the extra cash, who is a better fpl player today?

    1. AuFeld
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Today, Traore, but we play for tomorrow.

      Still Traore imo.

      1. Tempestic
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Traore not on pens tho is the difference

        1. Tsparkes10
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          Doesn't matter when you can't hit the target :p

        2. The Ejiptian King
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          I don't think Grealish is either, second choice after Wesley although both missed their last I think.

    2. lifes a pitch
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Grealish long term. Villa fan here, not sure if that helps here. Lol.
      I think Traore bubble will burst but if u have nothing better on and fancy riding the wave then go for it

    3. clodhopper
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      No grealish a great player when u watch him if villa score he will be involved

      1. MGMT
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Grealish is such a good player, but dont trust Villa

  2. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Is it time to get rid of Richarlison on free? Options are probably

    A Willian
    B Traoré
    C Martial ( double up with Rashford)
    D Anyone else up to 8.2
    E Play Richarlison v City
    F Bench Richarlison and start Greenwood

    1. Netley Lucas
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      DCL is the value atm so you know... but not this week, prepare. C

      1. dunas_dog
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Thanks that would let me do Rashford to DCL before 24 and bring in Mané or Robertson alongside Salah and TAA

    2. teki0s
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Of course not. It's actually time to start getting EVE players in, not out

      1. dunas_dog
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Thanks- plan is to get DCL after City game to fund Mané or Robertson

  3. UnitedFan
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Grealish > Traore this GW?

    1. AuFeld
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      I wouldn't. WAT defense has made a lot of progress.

      1. UnitedFan
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        True. Though Burnley generally keep non top 6 sides quiet at Turf Moor.

    2. clodhopper
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      No

    3. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      No

  4. FDMS All Starz
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Worried Taylor may not start and come on as a sub for 1pt & Maupay vs chelsea

    Ryan
    TAA - Soy - C.Taylor
    Salah - Mane - Kdb - Martial
    Vardy - Jiménez - Maupay

    Subs: Macgregor - Kiko - Lunds - Romeu
    (1ft & 0itb)

    1. Tsparkes10
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Start kiko then. Maupay should be fine

  5. Tempestic
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Who are your biggest fears currently for players u don't own?

    Rashford is my main one, Salah and Jimenez also up there each week.

    1. UnitedFan
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Mane and Rashford.

      1. UnitedFan
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Oh and maybe Ings.

        1. Tempestic
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          Oh yeh definitely Ings actually although maybe not so much anymore

    2. ChuckN
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Martial and Mane.

      But my midfield is kdb Salah Grealish Traore Alli so not sure who goes.

    3. The Ejiptian King
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Mane, Rash, Martial, Ings.

    4. Tsparkes10
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Rash, Sterl and Jimenez for me. Just brought in Martial and Ings due to fear lol

    5. JelliedSpark968
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Mane, Rashford, TAA, Robbo, the list goes on...

    6. Fpl Richie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Salah (soon) but perhaps Rashford even more so. Ings frankly has been a right sausage too

    7. AuFeld
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      TAA, but I hedged his cleans with Gomez and pocketed the +2m. Jim is a good one. Martial, Rashford, and maybe Maddison.

    8. Tsparkes10
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Also Kane tbf, as my Rival brought in and has captained last 2 gws

    9. The Mighty Hippo
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Mane and Kane.

    10. Karhumies
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Aubameyang, Kane, Rashford, Alli

    11. SC not pearls before swine
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Vardy. I'm not a smart man.

    12. D.Glynn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Jimenez

  6. markus808
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    KDB being benched or getting cameo odds? Or would you captain mr reliable Jamie Vardy because of that (and the baby)?

    1. Tsparkes10
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Doubt it. He was the key to both city's goals. Pep won't take anything but 2nd now, that'd be a huge let down. I'm going Vardy though

  7. lordkippe
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Pogba > Traore for a minus 4 ?

    1. clodhopper
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Pogba should start wait for news

    2. Fpl Richie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Haha, never thought I'd see that. Is pogba still out? Sold him for Martial 2 days back

      1. lordkippe
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        really not sure about his situation or if this is worth a hit.

  8. Fpl Richie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Easiest route to Salah is through Alli or Kdb - so I'll do the former.

    If transfers are spare, is it worth having Sterling for villa (Gw22) instead of salah/Alli?

    1. The Ejiptian King
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Alli has Norwich at home when Liv have their double though.

      1. SHOOTER MCGINN
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        This is making me want to go double Liverpool defence just to get Son for that week too. Salah Mane double wipes out any Spurs attack.

        1. Karhumies
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          No love for Firmino?

          1. SHOOTER MCGINN
            • 8 Years
            4 years, 3 months ago

            It is an option, but leaves me with 7.6 for a midfielder and I'm not feeling too inspired by the options right now. Could change in a few weeks though. Also think Robertson could match him with clean sheets if Liverpool can keep up their current form.

      2. Fpl Richie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Sure but not owning Salah is the bigger risk - people will TC.
        There are other ways but aside from downgrading Jimi and Martial it looks impossible. Defence is obviously still an option.

        1. Uncle Gamst
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          TC Mane instead?

  9. lordkippe
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    A : Sarr
    B : Traore
    C: Antonio

    1. Karhumies
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Sarr. Except this GW, Traore is rested and Sarr is not. So switch after new year.

  10. Test Eagles
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Bottomed:

    And somehow I’ve ended up with Deulofeu in my side... says every thing you need to know about my season. Brought him in for a 2-week punt (to be fair he’s looked good) only to see Deeney steal the points.

    What would you do with this hot mess?

    Pope
    TAA Söyüncü Dunk
    Mane KDB Alli Cantwell
    Vardy Rashford Deulofeu

    Ramsdale Traore Kelly Lundy

    1. Tsparkes10
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Like it a lot. If 1 FT then I'd save. Delu is a nice punt just been unlucky

    2. fgdu
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      deulofeu to dcl

    3. Karhumies
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Sarr is the WAT guy I would go for because Sarr is classified as a MID while Deulofeu is FWD. Deulofeu to Ings, Maupay or Jimenez?

    4. Karhumies
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Play Traore this GW. Bench either Cantwell or Deulofeu.

  11. JelliedSpark968
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Trossard and Richarlison >> Martial and Maddison

    OR

    just Trossard >> Martial/Maddison

    Have 5.4 ITB, 2FT

  12. Maddamotha
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    The best move here? 1.ITB

    A) Targett/Rico > Gomez ( or someone else?)

    B) Mount > Maddison/Traore (have 2 play Targett/Rico)

    1. JelliedSpark968
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      B, Mount to Madds, though I'd get rid of Targett soon

  13. DAVESAVES
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    So,

    A. TAA & Grealish
    B. Gomez & Martial

    1. Netley Lucas
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      A because one of those is essential, t'other 3 aren't.

      1. DAVESAVES
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        TAA for a hit this gw? Auirer out

  14. stu92
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Thoughts?

    Ryan (4.0)
    Robertson - Chilwell - Aurier - Lundstram (Tomori)
    Salah - KDB - Maddison - Traore (Hayden)
    Vardy - Jiminez (Connolly)

    A) Connolly > Calvert-Lewin, bench Lund
    B) Aurier > TAA, bench as is
    C) Calvert-Lewin & TAA in, bench Lund, -4 hit
    D) one of the above, but Maupay instead of Calvert-Lewin

  15. McGlynn8
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Zaha and Rashford to Traore and vardy?

    1. JelliedSpark968
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      You don't have Vardy?

      1. McGlynn8
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Took him out when he played city for rashford so only lost 1 goal in that time.
        But fear him again hence reason to take him back in

        1. JelliedSpark968
          • 4 Years
          4 years, 3 months ago

          Yeah I'd get him in then, any other strikers to get rid of over Rash?

          1. McGlynn8
            • 4 Years
            4 years, 3 months ago

            Ings and Kane other strikers

    2. DAVESAVES
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      You don’t have Vardy?

    3. Tsparkes10
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      You don't have Vardy?

    4. Dele
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      You don’t have Vardy

    5. The Ejiptian King
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      You don't have Traore?

    6. Tsparkes10
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      You have Zaha?

    7. TRIPOS TOPPER
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      mental to take Vardy out for 1 week

      gonna cost cash money to get him back

      1. McGlynn8
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        3 game weeks and only 0.2 mil xtra to get him back thought it was worth a punt on rashford for few gameweeks

  16. krumcake
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    I'm stuck.
    2 FT 0 ITB

    Henderson
    Soy Rico TAA
    De Bruyne Maddison Salah Pulisic
    Rashford Vardy Jimenez
    (Lundstram Willems Hayden)

    I had a bad GW and don't know what to do. Need to lose Pulisic probably, but what moves should I make?

    1. JelliedSpark968
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Pulisic to Sarr, then maybe Sidibe for Rico next week (after City). Sarr is a slight risk but has looked decent

    2. Tsparkes10
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      0 itb makes it difficult. I'd try get pulisic upgraded to Martial but not sure how. Maybe go with Mount or willian for now

    3. Netley Lucas
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Pulisic > Traore or Cantwell, you decide.

  17. Dele
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    G2G? Anything for a hit, £1.3ITB

    Pope
    TAA, VVD, Aurier
    Salah, KDB, Alli, Traore
    Vardy(c), Rashford, Ings

    Button, Kiko, Lundstram, Dendoncker

    1. Ynwalfc
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      What a team! Maybe pope to guita

  18. Thomas M.
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Hendo to:
    1. Ramsdale
    2. Ryan
    3. Guita
    4. Anyone else
    5. Hold

    1. JelliedSpark968
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      4, Fabianski

      1. JelliedSpark968
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Unless it's for a hit

    2. waldo666
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      2

    3. jaguar shark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      I did 1...

    4. D.Glynn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      I just got 2

  19. Garfield1001
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Thoughts on the following for free:

    Kiko > Trent
    Kane > Jiminez

    Thanks

    1. waldo666
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Great moves.

    2. Netley Lucas
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      It's Jimenez or Raul. Yes.

  20. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Start Jota or Grealish?

    1. Netley Lucas
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Jota, Wolves can score @wat, maybe twice.

      1. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Worried he won’t start?

    2. reeceon
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      jota

      1. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        What about rotation?

    1. ZeBestee
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Can't see Arsenal resigning him even if Auba leaves on Jan. Martinelli will have more chances while they are scouting another striker.

      1. It’s gonna Ben Mee
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        It’s just in line with the many other decisions. Very random. Big “Welcome home” celebration. Spin it as they cherrypicked another key player from Chelsea. I would be more surprised if he didn’t end up at Arsenal.

    2. krumcake
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Giroud (c)

  21. Letsgo!
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Sell cantwell for traore
    Or
    Sell ings for jimenez?

    1. Ynwalfc
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Cantwell

    2. jaguar shark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Jimenez would be my priority

    3. D.Glynn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Jimenez much better option

  22. JelliedSpark968
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    So what's the news on Lundstram?

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Faces late fitness test by sound of it

  23. Ynwalfc
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Pope
    TAA,Gomez,Aurier
    Mane,KDB,Alli,Grealish
    Vardy,Rashford(C),Jimenez

    Subs Button,Kelly,Lundstram,MCGinn

    Anyone thinking some starting players could be rested? Thinking maybe doing MCGinn to Traore for -4 and having for first sub? Thanks guys

    1. Karhumies
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      If you take a -4, it better be for opening XI player not just a sub IMO. Grealish first sub instead?

    2. Ynwalfc
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Thanks, just put him in

  24. reeceon
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Really struggling to use one of my 2 FT. £0.9 itb

    Ryan, Button
    TAA, Soy, Kelly, Rico, Lund
    Mane, KDB, Alli, Grealish, Dendonker
    Rashford, Abraham, Vardy

    All i can think of is Grealish > Traore....

    1. jaguar shark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Yup. I’d try that out for a week.

    2. Letsgo!
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      I will do abraham to jimenez

      1. waldo666
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        This.

    3. Netley Lucas
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Tammy/Grealish > Ings/Martial.

    4. Karhumies
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Options:

      Kelly/Rico to Gomez, Evans, Kiko Femenia or Holgate

      Dendonker to Mooy or Traore

  25. stu92
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    What would you do with this?

    Ryan (4.0)
    Robertson - Chilwell - Aurier - Lundstram (Tomori)
    Salah - KDB - Maddison - Traore (Hayden)
    Vardy - Jiminez (Connolly)

    A) Connolly > Calvert-Lewin, bench Lund
    B) Aurier > TAA, bench as is
    C) Calvert-Lewin & TAA in, bench Lund, -4 hit
    D) one of the above, but Maupay instead of Calvert-Lewin

    1. Netley Lucas
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Leave DCL until later. Do B.

    2. SC not pearls before swine
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      B.

    3. Karhumies
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Upgrade Connolly this week and play 343. Later upgrade Hayden to Mooy & Aurier to TAA?

      1. Karhumies
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        C with Maupay = D, I suppose?

    4. KDB4PREZ
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      B

  26. ZeBestee
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Chances in % of the 2 starting?

    1) Salah
    2) Mane

    1. Karhumies
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      90% 90% but both too tired to get any attacking returns

    2. ZeBestee
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      So best to keep but not captain?

    3. Tsparkes10
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Wouldn't capt against us.

      1. ZeBestee
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Cheers.

  27. Fpl Richie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    I'm confused - I thought adama Traore was just a sprinter with biceps and no end product?
    Is he a new player? 🙂

    1. JelliedSpark968
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Last season, he absolutely was, he's gotten miles better

    2. ZeBestee
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      He does step up against the big boys, am not sure he has done that against the lesser teams so far. Only 3 assists so far.

      That said, he lookee really good against Pool cameo and City prior to that.

  28. JelliedSpark968
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    Can anyone convince me to keep Richarlison? Can't decide over Madds or Martial, so I'm thinking of just ditching Rich and Trossard for both

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Richarlison to Martial

      1. KDB4PREZ
        • 4 Years
        4 years, 3 months ago

        Martial

    2. jaguar shark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      I switched to Adama...

  29. KDB4PREZ
    • 4 Years
    4 years, 3 months ago

    A) Traore
    B) Tielemans
    C) Willian
    D) Anyone midfielder up to 7.3

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 3 months ago

      Willian I would say, or Traoré if need cash elsewhere