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Vote for the best FPL goalkeeper of 2019/20

The Fantasy Football Scout end of season awards have officially been launched with the first poll now available to vote in.

As ever, we begin with the goalkeepers, assessing the key candidates on the strengths of their 2019/20 from a Fantasy Football perspective.

Overall points, price and value in Fantasy Premier League are all factors to consider.

It must be said that the goalkeeper position was a tricky one to navigate once again this season, although for completely different reasons than the previous campaign.

In 2018/19, the high-performing assets were largely more expensive ones from big clubs. But their respective sides, of course, required attention in other positions and most of the budget options proved reliable only for short spells at a time.

Arguably, 2019/20 was the complete opposite. This time around, the expensive premium options failed to provide the usual level of consistent returns allowing some of the cheaper mid-price assets to assume ‘set-and-forget’ status. Although, even then, it was a somewhat underwhelming year for goalkeepers in the £4.5m price bracket…

2018/19 Team of the Season Review – Goalkeeper

  • Goalkeeper: Alisson
  • Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold, Andrew Robertson, Matt Doherty
  • Midfielders: Sadio Mané, Mohamed Salah, Raheem Sterling, Ryan Fraser, Eden Hazard
  • Forwards: Raúl Jiménez, Sergio Aguero
→ Which team has allowed the fewest number of big chances this season (41)?

After securing a place in the 2018/19 Team of the Season, Alisson did not have the best follow-up campaign.

2019/20 began in the worst way possible for Liverpool’s goalkeeper, as he picked up an injury just 38 minutes into the Gameweek 1 win over Norwich City.

Even though that unlocked Adrian as a £4.5m option in the Reds’ defence, they still only kept two clean sheets from a possible nine before Alisson’s return.

And even the Brazilian’s comeback did not help stop the rot at the back as Jurgen Klopp’s men struggled to match the defensive heights of 2018/19, ironic considering they ended up winning the league this year.

After collecting 21 clean sheets during his first campaign in English football, it took Alisson until Gameweek 16 to secure one in 2019/20. With issues elsewhere in the defence, despite a return from injury in Gameweek 9, he went another seven matches before earning that all-important shut-out.

In the end, Alisson did manage to get a total of 13 but, as is to be expected with a big club, he could only supplement this with 58 saves.

Therefore, it was a score of just 122 points this season, 54 fewer than the year before. It also made for an inferior points-per-game total, Alisson averaging 4.2 in 2019/20 compared to 4.6 in 2018/19.

2019/20 CANDIDATES

DEAN HENDERSON

It was quite the debut campaign in the Premier League for Dean Henderson, whose total of 160 points was the second-highest among goalkeepers, making him a rare shining light among a drab £4.5m bracket.

With four double-figure hauls between Gameweeks 18 and 30+, that impressive overall score came from a total of 13 clean sheets, an impressive tally for a newly-promoted shot-stopper, as well as 16 bonus points and 97 saves.

Those additionals carried mixed value for Fantasy managers. While the 16 from bonus was the third-best in the division, eight different shot-stoppers produced more stops than Henderson.

It is that fact that probably denied the Sheffield United man the prize of highest-scoring FPL goalkeeper, but Fantasy managers should consider the quality of saves Henderson made this season, especially as he could be fighting for starts at Manchester United in 2020/21.

Across the course of this season, the Blades’ goalkeeper recorded an xG Prevented score of +8.30, behind only Hugo Lloris (+9.50). That means the saves he did make were mostly from very high-quality chances. Combining that with Manchester United’s 36 goals conceded in 2019/20 (third-best) could be a powerful pairing next year.

RUI PATRÍCIO

2019/20 was a season of improvement for Wolves’ defence, which was good for the roughly 10% of managers who backed Rui Patrício.

During their debut Premier League campaign, Nuno Espirito Santo’s men were certainly adept at keeping things tight at the back but they often struggled to convert this into clean sheets.

With just eight shut-outs in 2018/19, Wolves’ second season in the top-flight saw a continuation of astute defensive play but, largely thanks to Willy Boly’s return from injury, there was a much more mature approach to closing this out into clean sheets.

It was 13 of these, in the end, of Patrício, the joint-third-best in the Premier League.

That was enough for 153 points across the campaign, the fourth-highest among goalkeepers.

However, what hindered the Portuguese international from taking his Fantasy value to the next level, perhaps combined with his starting price of £5.0m, was the lack of additionals.

With Wolves playing a style of football that largely protects the goalkeeper, he managed only 90 saves and eight points from bonus.

NICK POPE

Even though he missed out on a share of the Golden Glove, 2019/20 was still an incredible campaign for Nick Pope, the only other £4.5m option to offer real prolonged value across the season.

16 clean sheets for Burnley, the club’s highest ever tally in a top-flight season and second only to Ederson this year, was the lynch-pin of Pope’s 170-point score, his best-ever.

But it was the additionals that made the difference for the Clarets’ rapidly improving shot-stopper.

His 120 saves was the fourth-highest in the division while nobody in the same position came close to matching his 23 bonus points.

Pope really does offer the complete package for goalkeepers. Some offer clean sheets without much prospect for saves or bonus, while others can secure those additionals on account of facing more shots but, inevitably, this means fewer shut-outs.

With Burnley’s style of play, which does allow plenty of attempts on goal to their opponents, helps Pope register saves and bonus, but because they are good at limiting these shots to outside of the box, the clean sheets are also much more achievable.

The question now is whether or not this will still constitute value for money in 2020/21 when Pope is likely to be as expensive as £5.5m.

AARON RAMSDALE

While not hitting the dizzy heights of Pope and Henderson, there was something on offer from £4.5m option Aaron Ramsdale for spells in 2019/20.

A total score of 126 points across the campaign does not look too special on the surface but it was good enough to finish in the top-five for the Value (Season) statistic on the official FPL site, working out at 28.6 points per million spent.

Bournemouth’s perennially porous defence allowed Ramsdale to rack up 128 saves, more than Pope and behind only Martin Dúbravka and Tim Krul in the overall standings.

The autumn was when Bournemouth’s goalkeeper was the most popular. Between Gameweeks 6 and 12, the Cherries kept three clean sheets and Ramsdale scored 41 points across the seven matches.

Averaging 5.9 points per game during this period, he also added an assist into the mix, one of just three goalkeepers to register one in 2019/20.

Ramsdale’s efforts have been good enough to earn transfer rumours of a purported move to stay in the Premier League despite Bournemouth’s relegation. Depending on what the future holds for him, Fantasy managers would do well to keep an eye on him moving forward…

MAT RYAN

It was another solid if not spectacular year for Mat Ryan, who was somewhat overshadowed in the £4.5m bracket by Pope and Henderson.

135 points was only just good enough for the top 10 among goalkeepers, and lower than his personal best of 146 during his debut campaign, but there was still something on offer for his 11.5% ownership.

Allowing greater spending elsewhere, the Brighton goalkeeper finished in the top five for points per million spent, his score of 28.7 beaten only by Patrício, Henderson and Pope.

It was also a top-five finish for Ryan’s total of 117 saves and 14 bonus. It was perhaps clean sheets where he came up short compared to the high-performers, with a total of just nine.

However, there is potentially a lot to like about the Australian for 2020/21, who might just be able to stay in the £4.5m bracket for a fourth successive season. If he can sustain his level of saves and bonus with greater conversion rate on the clean sheets could come a landmark season for Ryan.

KASPER SCHMEICHEL

Despite the disappointing finish to the campaign for Leicester City, Kasper Schmeichel was an important Fantasy asset during the first half.

In the first 15 Gameweeks of 2019/20, the Foxes’ shot-stopper produced seven clean sheets, two more than any other during that period. At the end of the campaign, his total of 13 was the third-best in the division.

Eventually, both Pope and Henderson overtook his season score and Schmeichel ended up finishing in third-place among goalkeepers, 156 points his best-ever FPL return.

His starting price of £5.0m and the cheaper option of Caglar Soyuncu in the same defence did stop the former Manchester City man from ever soaking up humongous levels of ownership but for a prolonged period he was one of the most reliable goalkeepers of 2019/20.

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  1. Pedersen
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 8 months ago

    Did anyone else get a mail saying their subscription have ended despite having already paid for a year more and still have access to everything?

    1. The Spion Kloppite
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      No.I have just renewed mine ok without any problems.

    2. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      I renewed yesterday. Still ok even though I had the email.

    3. cravencottage
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      yes - same with me

    4. Chelsea Dagger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      i got the same message, however when i checked my profile it stated i was paid thru July 2021.

    5. General_Zod
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      Nope, just renewed now. All seems in order.

  2. wulfrunian
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 8 months ago

    Prediction for Cardiff-Fulham?Hoping for a 3-3.

  3. FOO FIGHTER
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 8 months ago

    Continued from previous page

    @Teror

    Not many players get 32 goals in a season, especially their debut season. His first season for LFC was increadible. Record points for an FPL player 303.

    Followed by 259, 233 and 233.

    How can that be in decline?

    1. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      Re Salah...

    2. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      I think his price will come down to 12

      Kdb 12.5

      Mane to stay at 11.5

      Sterling / martial / auba 11

      Vardy will still be cheaper

      Salah is however becoming less clinical imo

      1. Tinkermania
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 8 months ago

        Sterling will be higher. He has had a poor season by his standards. I expect he will be lethal next season.

      2. Forever In Our Shadow
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 8 months ago

        I think Salah tries too hard to be clever. If he just lashed it like he did in his first season he would be great again.

    3. The Cisco Kid
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      32 goals as opposed to 22 and 19 is certainly the outlier; whether or not that’s decline is another matter. Consider that this past season he played 350 minutes fewer than 18-19 (2879 v 3254), I think that just about accounts for the scoring difference in the past two seasons. At 12.0-12.5, I think he remains an appropriately priced premium option who, injury aside, is as likely as anyone to hit 20 goals next season.

    4. Teror
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      It's decline because he gets less points with every season. That is what decline means after all.

      Not saying he's not one of the best players in the world but he does appear to be in decline.

  4. goriuanx
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 8 months ago

    Alex Ferguson announces Jurgen Klopp as LMA Manager of the Year.

    1. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      He he

  5. Siva Mohan
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 8 months ago

    Adam Lallana is due to have his medical at Brighton today ahead of signing his three year contract.

    1. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      Depending on his price, he might be a good enabler next season.

      1. SHOOTER MCGINN
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 8 months ago

        Interested at 4.5

        1. Forever In Our Shadow
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          Even at 5.0. Likely be 6-6.5.

  6. Is Salah in decline?
    FOO FIGHTER
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 8 months ago

    Sterling since joining City points each season

    96 149 229 234 204 and 204

    And some on here suggest Salah is in decline LOL

    How many players have scored 32 EPL goals in thier debut season and averaged 20 the folliwing 3?

    Salah in decline my behind.

    1. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      Salah on more penalties this season than in prior years. So arguably his open play output is in decline (from a FPL perspective). Whether you think the penalties is enough to make up for the decline is another question.

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 8 months ago

        So lets take away all the penalties Bruno scored and all the other players as well.

        How many penalties did Salah score this season?

        1. diesel001
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          Yes, you should take away Bruno's penalties and everyone else's. Then normalise by adding how many penalties you expect each of them (given the teams they play for) to get on average. That will give you a much better idea of 'value' in FPL once you factor in price.

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            So how many penalties did Salah score this season?

            1. diesel001
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              In the PL I have:

              1 in 2017/18
              3 in 2018/19
              3 in 2019/20

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                3 penalties boo hoo.

                Aguero scored 2. Rashford 6. Jimenez 4 I think and so on.

                Aguero missed 2 if I can recall.

                Why make things complicated?

                1. Eat my goal!
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 5 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  To judge whether a player is in decline you can only compare him against his prior form

                  The fact that his reduced goal tally in the last couple of years is support by more pens only further suggests that he is not as effective in open play

                2. diesel001
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  It really isn't that complicated. His FPL returns are clearly in decline. If they weren't in decline his points would be staying the same or going up.

                  Given he has broadly similar penalties over the last two seasons, then it must be his open play returns that are declining.

                  Given his open play returns are showing a declining trend and if he is priced at £12.5m then you need to consider, (i) whether his open play returns will increase and/or (ii) whether he will get penalty increases, which will mean he will reverse the decline in his FPL points.

        2. Tinkermania
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          Bruno would be 6.5million without penalties.

          1. diesel001
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            So now the question is, how many penalties do you think Man Utd will get in the PL and how many will Fernandes convert?

            E.g. 10 penalties, converts 9 of them.

            1. Tinkermania
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              He will miss before he gets to 10 and probably lose the responsibility.

              1. Baps hunter
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 6 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                U serious?!? 😉

              2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                I don’t know what this thread has become

                A showcase for organised clownery

    2. Tinkermania
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      Not in decline. Sometimes other people chip in more as happened this season. He could easily get 30 again.

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 8 months ago

        Yep

    3. Long ago I drew a walrus
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      Well he is on the decline though. 32 goals followed by 22 followed by 19. That's the definition of a decline. Don't try and sneakily equate decline to bad option.

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 8 months ago

        I do not see how you can look at yhat as decline.

        How many players score 32 League goals each season, hhhmmm???

        1. Long ago I drew a walrus
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word decline. Salah's returns have been diminishing hence he's on the decline. It's really quite simple. Messi and Ronaldo have been on the decline for years and would still trump any FPL assets we have right now. Just because Salah started off with the greatest season ever doesn't mean he can't decline, if anything it makes declining more likely because standards are higher.

          1. Teror
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            Thank you for stating the obvious for me. The willful ignorance of this user is astounding.

          2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 14 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            A hundred times this

          3. FOO FIGHTER
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            Well let's see whether Salah scores the same amount of points or more next season comppared to his last two seasons.

            He also missed 3 games this season. I gues an extra 20 points from those 3 games and would make this conversation even more silly won't it.

            1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              He’s gotten 47 points since GW25 in games where Mane has started with him (84 points in total)

              Bruno has managed 117 points in that same time period

              That’s not an inconsequential gap

            2. Long ago I drew a walrus
              • 13 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              No, it won't.

              1. Salah's returns have been in decline - 303 to 259 to 233 is a decline by the dictionary definition of the word.

              2. Salah's returns next season have no bearing on the fact that at this moment in time, his returns have been in decline. Again, by the dictionary definition of the word.

              3. Salah being in decline doesn't necessarily have a bearing on his returns next season. He may well return with a bang and it won't prove anything. But it is perhaps more likely that his returns continue to diminish - whether that's true or not depends on other factors.

              4. Players are more likely to miss games as they get older and this applies to everyone. KDB also missed a number of games this season through injury and rotation. He could have hit 300 otherwise. He didn't though so people don't mention it.

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                1st season 17/18. Started. 36 matches played.
                2905 minutes, 32 goals, 12 FPL assists. 26 Bonus points. 303 points total. FPL points record holder. Fair to say even Aguero will struggle to reach this.

                2nd season 18/19. 38 matches played.
                3254 minutes, 22 goals, 12 FPL assists. 18 Bonus points. 259 points total. Finished highest scorer again. Absolute beast.

                3rd season 19/20. 34 Matches played.
                19 goals, 10 FPL assists, 26 Bonus points. 233 points total. Remains a beast.

                FPL, real EPL or whatever, you cannot base his total scores on decline when he is still performing each season.

                He has scored 3 less compared to 18/19 and has 2 less FPL assists this season having played 375 minutes less this season. That adds up tò 4 matches less. With a points per game of 6.9, would you bet against Salah not having a bigger or same score this season 4 matches down compared to 18/19?

                His first season was simply incredible and again, Aguero will struggle to match it 🙂 so it is ironic that many having comented here want to hang onto his 1st season's points tally.

      2. coltan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        between the last year and this one, if you take into account minutes played there is not much difference.

    4. Teror
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      Both Salah and Sterling can be in decline at the same time.

    5. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 8 months ago

      How do Sterling’s scores in any way, shape or form change the fact that:

      - Salah’s first season score was 300 points
      - This declined to 260 points in his second season
      - And declined AGAIN to 230 points this season

      ??

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 8 months ago

        Did you expect Salah to score 32 goals in each of his seasons with LFC?

        1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          So have we addressed the question of the decline first, before opening any further threads on this?

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            Lets do this

            259 233 and this season 233 again

            I would call that consistently good from the record holder of points in a season. Not decline.

            1. Eat my goal!
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Probably struggle to make 200 next season

            2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              He only has one 233 - that’s this season

              You’re double counting this season because FPL have already added the scores at the bottom of the player histories

              Is that the problem here?

              Tell me that’s the problem here & you now see the decline in his points!

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Sorry, was looking at points scored and points table and added to the year totals. My bad.

                All players are in and out of decline then.

                Salah could have easily scored a hattie on the final day if Klopp started him.

                All ifs and buts. Missed 3 matches this season as well.

                You need to take all that into account.

                7.1 points per game 18/19

                6.9 points per match this season

                Look at the bigger picture.

                1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 14 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  “ All players are in and out of decline then”

                  Exactly - but not at the same time is the key thing

                  I.e. a player’s output can’t be simultaneously declining AND improving - it has to be one or the other (unless the unlikely event of scoring exactly the same amount in consecutive seasons)

            3. Zimo
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              There was no 233 again. He's been here for 3 seasons. Stop saying that again and again.

            4. Eat my goal!
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              You do realise you’re counting the same season twice, right?!

            5. FFSbet.com
              • 8 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Ignore them,233 last season and 233 this season while 0.5 cheaper is improvement not decline

              1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Errr... he didn’t get 233 last season - he got 259 last season, and 300 in his first season

                There is only one 233...

                1. FFSbet.com
                  • 8 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  ...dont chase my fishes...see i am fishing

                  1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                    • 14 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    This thread has jumped the shark 🙂

                2. FOO FIGHTER
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Se my latest reply. It was a joke/banter 😀

            6. Karan14
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              That's incorrect. He's only had 3 seasons 303, 259, 233.

              He is in decline compared to his last 2 seasons. His assists & goals have dropped every season. Obviously he could come back strong but at 12.5m it might be tough to justify with so many premiums around.

        2. @persecuted_by_mods
            3 years, 8 months ago

            I mean it's literally a decline in points, nobody is saying he's a bad player

          • Sanchit
            • 8 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            If a player scores 60 goals in a season.
            The next season he scores 50
            And next he scores 40.

            Definetely on a decline, at the same time it does not mean he's a bad option at all.

            Would you say he is declining or not?
            Google the definition of the word Decline please.

            1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Hang on a second, do you expect a player to score 60 goals every season?!

              How can he be in decline!

              *facepalm*

              1. Long ago I drew a walrus
                • 13 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Jokes aside MBP, with the standard of this thread people will take your comment literally

                1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 14 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Hulk this and just call it “Is Salah in decline?” to really get it going lol

                  1. Long ago I drew a walrus
                    • 13 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    I thought you were joking. They actually hulked this. My brain usage in decline...

                    Anyways I've just noticed you don't have the member's icon any more MBP? Thought you were a mod?

                    1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                      • 14 Years
                      3 years, 8 months ago

                      My membership must have just expired today then... need to renew!

                      But no, I'm not a mod - not last time i checked anyway - that thought would be quite worrying for quite a few folks I'd imagine 🙂

      2. Big boy Bowen
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 8 months ago

        It’s Salah’s bonus that’s in decline

        1. Pasqualinho
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          I think it's this thread that's in decline.

          1. Baps hunter
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            How low can it decline? 😉 Mods are not banning anyone, yet...

        2. Munchen KFC
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          Both players priced at £12.0m next year. If you had to pick a team,no transfers allowed,would you choose Salah or Dr Bruyne.

          1. Baps hunter
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            Easy KdB

          2. diesel001
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            KDB.

            1) Will be better without Silva as he will take on more attacking responsibility and free kicks
            2) Potentially on more penalties than this season

          3. FFSbet.com
            • 8 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            Both

      3. FOO FIGHTER
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 8 months ago

        Salah

        7.1 points per game 18/19

        6.9 points per game this season

        What a decline lol

        #FPLKing

        1. FFSbet.com
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          Wrong,6.9 last two seasons

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            18/19: 3254 minutes played, 233 points

            19/20: 2879 minutes played, 233 points.

            Scored the same amout of points this season in less minutes compared to last.

            Decline decline yadda yadda

            1. Zimo
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Are u back on with the same points? But u just said u realized u were looking at it twice. I don't understand

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                It was a joke :-O

        2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          This is better - and always a more effective metric for comparison than simple points

          Can you share your workings please so we can critique & understand

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            See above.

            1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              But he got 259 points last year though - presume that’s just a typo above?

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                OMG, people take life to seriuosly lol.

          2. FOO FIGHTER
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            Ha ha see what I did there lol.

            Ok jokes aside, less points does not mean decline.

            More minutes in 18/19 less minutes this season.

            1. Eat my goal!
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Take the minutes divide by minutes per game (90) = games played

              Take the points and divide by games played = ppg

            2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              So his points are in decline from 300 > 260 > 230...

              But his PP90 isn’t as impacted at 9.38 > 7.11 > 7.28?

              I could live with that as a statement for sure

              Still wouldn’t really encourage me on a 12.5m asset who’s scored 84 points in the last 14 weeks though when Bruno has lifted 117 and KDB has almost broken a ton as well....

              Lots of competition out there for Shares of that 100.0...

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                And you think Bruno is going to keep up his points per game next season? Would be incredible if he did but can't see it tbf.

                Would therefore see him in decline 😉

                1. Zimo
                  • 5 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  But he's not going to be priced at 12.5

                  1. FOO FIGHTER
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    How do you know what Bruno is going to be priced at 8.4 points per match?

                    If anything Towers probably now realise he was underpriced at 8.0

                    I will still pick Salah over Fernandes. If he keeps up with his current points per match then obviously could sway my mind.

                    Bruno will probably be between 11 and 12.0

                    Take your pick

                    1. Zimo
                      • 5 Years
                      3 years, 8 months ago

                      Don't think 14 games points to a 4m increase in price

                      1. FOO FIGHTER
                        • 4 Years
                        3 years, 8 months ago

                        Well we wait in anticipation.

                2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 14 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  If he kept up his scoring rate he’d end up with 320 points on a 38 game season

                  So - no he won’t do that

                  But he can afford to regress by 20-25% and still score more than Salah did this year, while costing less into the bargain

                  And if he only regresses 15%... or 10%... or 5%....

                  And all that assumes Salah *doesnt* continue to decline

                  1. FOO FIGHTER
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    How much will Bruno be next season?

                    UTD like having purple patches as well under Ole...

                    1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                      • 14 Years
                      3 years, 8 months ago

                      Pogba survived with an 8.5 from his purple patch with pens, DFK’s and a better career minutes per G/A than Lampard

                      My guess is 10.0-10.5 with the really big hike to proper premium 11.5-12.0 for the season after

                      1. Goonsquad245
                        • 7 Years
                        3 years, 8 months ago

                        He’s an auto buy at 10m (I agree with your assessment by the way)

                      2. Zimo
                        • 5 Years
                        3 years, 8 months ago

                        I agree

                      3. FOO FIGHTER
                        • 4 Years
                        3 years, 8 months ago

                        If he is at 10.0 I will try fit him in with Salah and KDB 😉

                        1. Goonsquad245
                          • 7 Years
                          3 years, 8 months ago

                          Thinking the exact same - plenty had Salah, Sterling, KDB at the start of this season for a combined 34m....

                        2. FOO FIGHTER
                          • 4 Years
                          3 years, 8 months ago

                          I started with Sterling and Salah in GW1.

                          GW3 I brought in KDB into the same midfield but he was under 10.0 lol.

                          Think picking your midfield next season is not as easy as KDB Salah and Fernandes next season..

                          But Salah KDB and (TAA pending £) all three in first.

            3. Zimo
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              But who's to say he'll play those minutes next season? He could be further rotated

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Minamino not going to start ahead of Salah when LFC will be defending their title. Neither will Origi.

      4. Big boy Bowen
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 8 months ago

        Posted this on another Salah on another Salah in decline post, so thought I’d share my 2 pence for what it is worth:

        I think we should ignore his first freak season for comparatives. That performance of sheer points will probably never be matched by anyone again.
        He was an unknown quality and flourished as a result, plus Mane hadn’t quite hit his potential in the red kit either.

        He is still in decline however definitely, mainly due to Mane scoring a lot, he seems more wasteful and linked to this his bonus potential has suffered.

        I don’t know the stats but I do feel he’s getting a similar number of chances.

        His price next season will be interesting, specifically compared to Mane’s.

        1. king_jackson
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          You cant ignore a 38 game season for comparisons sake!@

          1. Big boy Bowen
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            It’s such an outlier though. Like I say he or I doubt anyone else will achieve that for a very long time

      5. Camzy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 8 months ago

        It's not decline. It's proligacy. He was really deadly in his first season when really, he's not a particularly lethal finisher.

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          He just likes to take alot of shots, more than most.

          No player will finish all their chances, that is the way it goes. 73 goals in 3 seasons is as lethal as you can get.

          1. Camzy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            He's a fantastic player and he gets the most chances of any player because he's so good at exploiting space, being fast, dribbling etc. But he's statistically a poor finisher. Of the chances that fall to him, he does not fulfill its xG That's what I mean by he's not 'lethal'.

            1. Goonsquad245
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              He’s not statistically a poor finisher though.

        2. FFSbet.com
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          Agree very strange style,hes more pushing the ball than shooting.
          He gets in good positions and is strong hope he can improve shooting.

        3. @persecuted_by_mods
            3 years, 8 months ago

            So his finishing ability is in decline? And his points are in decline too

        4. Whiskerz
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          This is very entertaining.

        5. Goonsquad245
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          I’m really, really hoping this narrative results in Salah being a reasonable differential at least for the start of next season

          1. Nanoelektronicar
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 8 months ago

            He'll be second, or third most owned player when game starts. Bruno the first I guess.

        6. ElliotJHP
          • 11 Years
          3 years, 8 months ago

          He's 28 until he's 29

        7. Pinturicchio10
            3 years, 8 months ago

            Never fails to baffle me how unimportant topics can get so wildly out of control on this forum. If you like him as a pick, pick him. If not, don't. Is this really worthy of hours on end back and forth? Madness 😀

            1. @persecuted_by_mods
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Hot Toddy in decline

                1. king_jackson
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Everyone's will to live is in decline!

                2. Pinturicchio10
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    🙁

                  • The Mighty One
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    Dude this was a hilarious comment. Made me LOL.

              • Brosstan
                • 9 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                How is this hulked? I doubt Foo Fighter even knows what "in decline" means as his own stats clearly show Salah has had a decline...

                1. Piggs Boson
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  It's clearly a "hot topic" given the length and depth of the conversation.

                  I think you're wrongly equating hulking as some sort of badge of honour. It's merely a signpost for users to go back and read through the hottest topics.

              • Greek Freak
                • 8 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                What was the original post in response to?

              • TheDragon
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                What on earth are all these replies

                Salahs stats are declining year on year

                But...His stats are still incredible and he remains an excellent FPL option

                1. Piggs Boson
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  It's a literal statistical decline, sure, but given there's only 3 data points you could easily account that to random variance. I would not be surprised if he passed 250 again next season. So yes a literal decline, but decline as an FPL asset? Not convinced.

                  I doubt the 303 will ever be beaten though, that was freakish...

                  1. FOO FIGHTER
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    Not even Aguero will manage 303 points. But people want to believe Salah is in decline?

                    Salah is still performing at the standard points per game wise when comparing his 2nd and 3rd season having played 4 matches less this season.

                    He is in my team start of next season hands down, especially when LFC will be defending their title!

                    1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                      • 14 Years
                      3 years, 8 months ago

                      Just pray you never have to do a captcha that asks to "click on the numbers that are declining"

                      Something tells me you won't get let into the site 🙂

              • The Train Driver
                • 8 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                My mood was in decline, until I read this post...

                1. FPL Daniel
                  • 14 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Oh my

                2. FOO FIGHTER
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  😀

              • P-h-o-e-n-i-x
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                I just woke up to see this Hot Topic. Also skimmed through some comments. I think I will eat some popcorn in breakfast while I read through this.

                1. 272MK
                  • 10 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Thiss

              • Baines on Toast...
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Why is a post like this a HT?

                1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 14 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  In fairness, it has generated over a hundred replies in a short space of time - that's probably an indication that it's a fairly hot topic

                2. Rolls-Royce
                  • 10 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Because it is comedy gold.

              • Now I'm Panicking
                • 9 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                The state of this thread

              • NABIL - FPL otai
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Statistically yes.. but who cares? We're not in statistics class.

              • Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Still going!

                This thread will run & run 🙂

              • Alberto Tomba
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                As a massive Reds fan I feel Salah under performed from an FPL perspective this year to give his all to a team effort to win the PL. Next year I suspect he'll want the Golden boot back.

              • Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                One of the highlights of this thread (and there are many) is that - at no point did it seem coincidental that both Sterling (with 204) & Salah (with 233) had achieved exactly the same FPL points in back to back seasons...

                Surely some sort of alarm bells were ringing there Foo Fighter! 🙂

              • The Train Driver
                • 8 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Is there a post of the season reward?

              • Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 14 Years
                2 years, 8 months ago

                So turns out the answer to this whole hot topic and all of its 122 posts was…

                Drumroll…

                “Yes”

                1. Andy_Social
                  • 11 Years
                  2 years, 8 months ago

                  Some people just HAVE to have the last word!

                  1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                    • 14 Years
                    2 years, 8 months ago

                    I feel we need Foo Fighter to help us make sense of what happened

            2. Captain Kakaroto (I blame R…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 6 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Anyone watch Cardiff Fulham ? How come Mitrovic not in squad ?

              1. Bada Bing
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                I was wondering the same.

              2. dunas_dog
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 8 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Injury

                1. Captain Kakaroto (I blame R…
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 6 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Cheers mate

              3. Lord.
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Expected to be OK for the 2nd leg, not that he’s needed now.

            3. Teror
              • 9 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              I think Cardiff will be promoted to the PL. V. defensive, scrappy team. Could be a good goalkeeper option next season.

              1. wulfrunian
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                I want to see Brentford in the PL and i think they deserve it.A really good attacking team.

            4. Revival
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Is 161 points total from goalkeepers good?

              I only used a playing keeper with a 3.9m sub all season so no rotation.

              1. Eat my goal!
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                173 and a few changes

                So yeah that’s pretty awesome imo

              2. diesel001
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Good, but you would have been better just getting Pope or Henderson this season and sticking.

                1. Revival
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Yeah Pope got 170 and say a 6 pointer from a bench boost keeper puts the max at 176. I used to always pick the wrong keeper in a rotation pair so happy to just stick with 1 keeper next season.

              3. Karan14
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Yes I would think so.

                I used a 4.5GK all season and got 153 points. That's about 4 PPG which is great for a 4.5m asset.

              4. Baps hunter
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 6 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                177 here, but needed two for bb and had also Martinez after Leno injury.

            5. Scratch
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              So I lost my ML being equal on points with 1st place because I made more transfers. But over a third of those transfers counted were from the transfer amnesty prior to GW30... hardly seems fair to count those

              1. diesel001
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                You knew the rules though. And if you didn't then you can blame yourself for your lack of knowledge.

                1. Flaming Flamingo
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Hard disagree. It's like the equivalent of counting your transfers used before the season starts.

                  1. Scratch
                    • 14 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    Exactly, or like counting the total transfers the week you play your wildcards.

                    1. Flaming Flamingo
                      • 7 Years
                      3 years, 8 months ago

                      Giving unlimited "free" transfers when PL returned was stupid as it was, but it's even worse when you consider they weren't free at all. It's very misleading to label it as such when you essentially lose places for each one you use.

              2. Revival
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                I agree it's harsh that they have counted those, given that everyone had unlimited transfers for GW30+

            6. Cok3y5murf
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              The reasons Salah's points have declined are...

              A. His debut season was his purple patch. It was the only season where he was a clinical finisher. He has since been a wasteful, below-average finisher much like Sterling, so he's not scoring as many as he should be with the number of chances he gets. He has scored 19 goals this season with an xG of 20.66 which, by definition, makes him a below-average finisher. So don't be surprised every time he misses chances because that's what he does.

              B. Mane has closed the gap and is sharing the points. Mane, on the other hand, is way more clinical than Salah. 18 goals with an xG of 14.58. No, this does not mean he has overperformed, this is a pattern you see with all clinical finishers. Check Auba's, Ings', Vardy's, and you'll find the same thing. Expect this to continue. Also, Mane's points per minute this season is 0.8 which is exactly the same as Salah's. If Mane had played the same minutes as Salah, he would've probably finished at around the same points. So even with Salah's penalty advantage, the gap has been closed and there is little to separate the two. There won't be more than a 0.5 difference in price between them next season.

              1. Je suis le chat
                • 10 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Liverpool scoring 15 to 20 goals less per season than Man City makes Kdb a better value pick/captain than Salah imo.

                1. Cok3y5murf
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  I don't know about that because KDB will be 12m next season. He hit 251 points this time, but his second-highest is only 209. Man City is a minefield and the points are so spread out between so many of their attackers (look at KDB's returns recently before GW38). So we might look to his cheaper alternatives like Mahrez and Jesus who will be 9m-ish.

                  While Salah has declined, he remains the "safest" pick to start every season with.

                  1. Camzy
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    Injuries for KdB. He will deliver 200+ if he plays similar minutes again.

                    1. Cok3y5murf
                      • 7 Years
                      3 years, 8 months ago

                      200+ is not worth 12m though. For 12m, you'd want 230+ at least.

                      1. Baps hunter
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 6 Years
                        3 years, 8 months ago

                        You don't have to own him all the time.

                      2. Camzy
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        3 years, 8 months ago

                        200+ doesn't mean he can't score 230+ either. And you're also forgetting his new penalty duty. He didn't get penalties until more than halfway through the season.

                  2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                    • 14 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    The only thing is, when you watch KDB you see the most talented kid in the playground - a player so head & shoulders above the pack that the game is just too easy for him

                    You don’t really see that (as much) with Salah imo

                    KDB didn’t start 6 games this season, and only got to take 3 pens - Dilva will no longer be there to share DFK’s either

                    Honestly think KDB’s just getting started & a future Ballon d’Or winner, wouldn’t surprise me to see him get a 20 goal/20 assist season to be honest - he’s just that good

                    1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                      • 14 Years
                      3 years, 8 months ago

                      *2 pens!

                    2. Cok3y5murf
                      • 7 Years
                      3 years, 8 months ago

                      Can't argue with that. It's like watching an alien play.

                      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                        • 14 Years
                        3 years, 8 months ago

                        Absolute Godlike ability - just got to enjoy watching him now for as long as possible

                    3. Sgt Frank Drebin
                      • 7 Years
                      3 years, 8 months ago

                      Salah and Mane benefit a lot from the tactical set up where the emphasis is on the wingers to score goals and not the central striker. Imho in some other team they wouldn't hit such great numbers.

                      1. Sgt Frank Drebin
                        • 7 Years
                        3 years, 8 months ago

                        And KDB is just so great... I think this is my favourite player currently and will be for a long time. He always make such good decisions on the pitch, I feel like he always makes the best one possible. I just love watch him play

                  3. Zimo
                    • 5 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    If DeBruyne retains penalty duties then he can go higher

              2. Baps hunter
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 6 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Imo he has been more selfish and not assisting Mane enough.

              3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Foo Fighter in 3.... 2... 1....

              4. Goonsquad245
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Fun fact - this is Salah’s first proper season where he’s underperformed xG.

                Aubameyang has also (slightly) underperformed xG throughout his career (this season was his only one at Arsenal where he’s overperformed it)

                1. FOO FIGHTER
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Nice

            7. have you seen cyan
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              The discussions around early team leaks are so ridiculous.

              Leaking early team news it not allowed, the individuals who do it would lose their jobs if found out. Early team news is an unfair and taking advantage of it is bad smortsmanship at best and cheating at worst.

              People in other time zones or people who have commitments cant access this info, it doesnt matter if its on twitter, not everyone can access this info at that specific time.

              The only fair thing to do is to move the deadline two hours before.

              Even the scoutcast doesnt grasp this, probably because they all want early team news to beneift themselves.
              Joe has some common sense at least and raises the point about people in other time zones who cant access it. But his answer to that is if they cared they should stay up late or wake up for it - LOL
              Joes second solution is remove the deadline altogether and allow changes right up to the games. What backwards logic is this? Makes the bench totally irrelvant if you know who starts every week

              Any one with any morals deep down knows its wrong, and frankly im disappointed in FFS for condoning and endorsing it.

              1. Flaming Flamingo
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                It absolutely should be 2 hours before. What if someone is working and can't see the leaks? It provides an unnecessary advantage and moving the deadline forwards should be an easy fix.

              2. Eat my goal!
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Send your comments to FPL

              3. diesel001
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                FFS is a business. As a business they will support anything that helps them generate more income (e.g. more site traffic from early team news / leaks) as long as it isn't illegal or considered immoral (note that what is considered immoral changes over time).

                As I said before, throughout history, businesses have tried to push the boat out with innovation, and then the public realise it goes too far and want it clamped down on. A good example of this right now is social media giants and data privacy / data use.

                FPL is the same as all other business / industries. We have allowed the 'innovation' to occur by letting people get line up leaks before the deadline. Now is the time for the 'regulators' (i.e those that run FPL) to step in.

                1. Goonsquad245
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  This is a really good post (as usual).

              4. Camzy
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Agree with all this.

                There's also the major con of the game needing to be updated. It has to be updated by the time the games kick off in order for points to score in real time etc.

                A big part of the enjoyment is having your team in front of you when you're out watching the games and see your players get points.

                The only fair solution as you say is to move the deadline back. 2 hours before seems to be the sweet spot and gives managers as much time as possible without giving some an unfair advantage.

                1. Baps hunter
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 6 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  The only problem is people forgetting deadlines. And since this issue isn't big enough yet, don't see it happening this season.

                  1. Camzy
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    People forget the deadline all the time now. What does one extra hour do?

              5. Sgt Frank Drebin
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                The other factor could be that you never know if the leaked line ups are true, unless you have a really reliable source but those seem not to be available for long time. By making transfers based on those leaked teams you make a calculated risk.

                Frankly speaking I don't think they are going to do anything - first of all not many people benefit from it - taking into consideration how many people play FPL it is very, very small number. Not many reliable leakers too, if someone gets too popular he has problems like FPL Rockstar.

                1. Sgt Frank Drebin
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  But yeah I agree that the deadline 2h before kick off probably would be more fair.

              6. Rotation's Alter Ego
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 12 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Whilst I really don't like leaked team news and strongly wish the deadlines could be moved to 2 hours before, I'm not sure you can go as far as saying using the information is unsportsmanlike or cheating?

                As FPL managers, we always strive to have as much information as possible be it via press conferences, stats data and whatever else so it's only natural that leaked news would be something else we'd flock to.

                I think expecting a huge number of managers to willingly ignore this news in the name of sportsmanship is a real stretch, because you're asking them to put themselves at a disadvantage to thousands. I may not like the team news, but of course I'm going to use it if it's there, suggesting you're either all for it or all against it is a false dilemma.

                It is unfair for managers in other timezones who will find it harder to access this data, but I'm not sure you can put the fault on the managers using the information there, which is what I read your post to imply.

                1. Ógie
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Aye,it's kinda your duty as a fpl manager to take in as much info as possible and try and make the most of it.

                  It's very unfair on the casual manager and i am confidant fpl will fix it for next season.

                  Picking your first 11 is a big part of the fun,skill,luck or whatever else you want to call it and you just have to roll with the punches sometimes.

                2. have you seen cyan
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  I cant blame people for using it no, and yes its down to FPL to do something about it. Frankly im surprised its been allowed to happen in the first place and thats a big failing of the PL
                  I dont however agree with people supporting its use, thats more my gripe

                  FPL are aware of it this season as are the PL, and I think they will take measures vs it, which you'd expect to result in them changing the deadline and also rooting out who is responsible.

                  Call me old fashioned but I think a big part of the game is the uncertainity of not knowing who starts, it adds value to the bench and adds an element of luck. Some people even benefit when their bench player comes on.
                  Its a very good element of the game which makes it more exciting

              7. Blueberg
                • 8 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Removing the deadline only really makes the bench irrelevant in week 38 when all matches are together. Which I wouldnt mind. Might be a good reason for saving your free hit so you can have a terrible bench, rather than in a blank gameweek - it adds extra options. If you have played fanteam for example, they allow changes up to kick off and I think it works fine - you get 1 hour of confirmed team news to make a decision, rather than 10 minutes of either insider knowledge or lies to panic over.

                Yes for people in other time zones it may be difficult, but we are playing the English Premier League Fantasy Football game. I'm sure if you or I were playing the Australian fantasy football we would understand that it is the other side of the world and we might have a slight disadvantage...

              8. Madderegern
                • 9 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Why not just move the deadline to kickoff first match ? Problem solved.

                1. Flaming Flamingo
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  In what way does that solve the problem? All it does is maintain the uneven playing field, as the people who aren't able to access team news still won't be able to.

                  1. Madderegern
                    • 9 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    Come on. Thats part of the game....

              9. Ógie
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                I wonder who is behind the leaks anyway?

                I suspect it's someone from the TV people who get an early look at the lineups so they can be published but it could also be a club insider.

                1. have you seen cyan
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  The people behind the leaks are in the media, they get given it early to create graphics and write the online team sheets so they are ready on the dot. So someone in the media at the game presumably messages a photo of it to their mate/relative or whatever who then posts it online.

                  As I said, this would cost people their job, and in regards to betting this could have serious ramifications, wouldnt surprise me if this is considered ilegal in some way. Bookmakers will not be happy with team leaking in the slightest

              10. Babit1967
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Although I was one who checked the leaked news on gw38, I can’t disagree with any of this

              11. wulfrunian
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                I think is so simple like Pasqualinho's post "The deadline time change seems the most fair. If there are ITKs who get the team line up the day before then so be it - but those who get advanced knowledge due to media contacts 10 minutes or so before deadline would have an advantage that can easily be prevented."

              12. TheDragon
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                For those of you unhappy with the deadline leaks and want it moving back an hour...

                ... what are your thoughts on the fact Premier League players play FPL given they often know the team sheets and can actively impact the scores.

                Particularly given there are prizes in FPL I’m surprised they are allowed to play it

                1. have you seen cyan
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Well none of themk do any good I guess, and they do actually have a certain rule. They can only pick 2 players max from their own team, I believe TAA revealed this in an interview or Vardy

                2. Ógie
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Yeah that's a good point and i remember it being discussed on here a few seasons back.

                  There are certainly conflict of interest concerns and the PL have lots of rules on players gambling on games so if these players happened to be in a money league then they would be flying close to the sun in this respect.

                  I don't think it would raise many eyebrows until the time comes that an active pl player actually does well at the game.

                  You just have to realize that fpl would be an afterthought for a pl player and their club and career will surely come first.

              13. FPL Daniel
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Move the deadline 15 mins pre deadline just like UCL. 2 hours before is stupid imo, ruins the fun and excitement of the game.

                1. Greek Freak
                  • 8 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  It's not even that - in UCL fantasy it's literally at kick-off time. I prefer it, though I'd accept that pre-team sheets is more fair for everyone because of different time zones.

                2. have you seen cyan
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  but what is the point of the bench then if you know who starts every week. Have a total whack bench with 0 playing then. Or just delete the bench altogethher, no bench? I dont understand, this is a clear flaw in your suggestion

                  1. TorresMagic™
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 14 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    It's not GW38 every GW.

            8. Munchen KFC
              • 10 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              What a goal!

            9. Munchen KFC
              • 10 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Adiós El Mago and bye bye FPl. Have played now for 10 seasons and really enjoyed the first 8. Some great memories and feel privileged to be retiring alongside David Silva. Can't believe he's stealing my thunder retiring at the same time! Best rank 1411. Best memory playing my wildcard in my first season and only making one transfer!

              1. Munchen KFC
                • 10 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                As the bookie adverts say...When the fun stops......

                1. WALOR
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  You'll come crawling back like the rest

                  1. Zimo
                    • 5 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    Yeah It's a serious addiction

              2. Ógie
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Adios

                Seems to be a lot of managers retiring after this season for some reason.

                I actually gave the idea some thought myself as i was finding it hard to watch the games without the buzz of the fans but have decided to go again.

                Just a glutton for punishment.

                1. Lord.
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  I’ll be back ...

              3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                See you on 12 Sep!

              4. Je suis le chat
                • 10 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                All the best, this game is more addictive than booze. I've mastered the latter addiction, not the former.

            10. The 12th Man
              • 10 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              I can’t vote for Jordan Pickford!

            11. Lateriser 12
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Evening folks how are we doing now that the dust has settled?

              1. Sgt Frank Drebin
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                What am I supposed to do with myslef now...?

                1. Lateriser 12
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Rest your head

              2. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Looking forward to the tinkering of team selection once it all starts again 😀

                Was a fun season though 🙂

                1. Lateriser 12
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Already?

                  Na. We all need a break.

                  1. FOO FIGHTER
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    Even with FPL ending for now, no rest for the wicked. Two little ones and a teen driving me insane but would not exghange them for anything!

                2. Zimo
                  • 5 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  It's the best part of the whole game. I want it to restart soon 🙂

              3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Hiya buddy - doing good thanks, just like Alanis Morrisette once said:

                You live, you learn 🙂

                Congrats on the season btw!

                1. Lateriser 12
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Thank you buddy. If i'm honest, i'm happier that people have enjoyed the content i've put out.

                  1. Warby84
                    • 8 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    How did you do in the end? What a run you had..

                    1. Lateriser 12
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 12 Years
                      3 years, 8 months ago

                      31st finally

                  2. FOO FIGHTER
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    Always a pleasure to read your content. Made me change hmy approach to the game. My GW29 FH ended in disaster but sometimes you have to take risks.

              4. Je suis le chat
                • 10 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Well done on a great performance. Licking my wounds after a terrible finish. Looking forward to a competitive new season with Man U and Chelsea challenging the duopoly!

                1. Lateriser 12
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Next season isn't far off buddy.

              5. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                And well done with that rank! Incredible!

              6. Ógie
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Actually looking forward to a few weeks off from the game.

                Not much of a turn around until next season so we might as well make the most of it.

                1. Lateriser 12
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Absolutely

              7. Eat my goal!
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Waiting for my ML cash to come through!

                1. Firminooooo
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 8 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  +1

              8. The 12th Man
                • 10 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Looking forward to the break.
                Well done on your rank this season. Always a good listen too on various podcasts.

              9. Long ago I drew a walrus
                • 13 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Missed this chat because I spent the last hour typing up a long essay on my views on the team leaks debate. I find it very sad that this has become the predominant topic of discussion after, in your words, the dust has settled. Whatever changes are made I just hope FPL deal with things with speed and clarity, I'd hate for there to be more arguments about it when the game returns in August.

                If there are any mods on here btw, my comment has been marked for review. I'd really appreciate if, after the review, it can actually be posted, or at least returned to me with a note on which words I should remove. I understand why it's being moderated, after all I don't spend an hour of my life typing something up if I didn't feel strongly about it. Would appreciate a response, thanks! And apologies Lateriser for hijacking your thread for this.

                1. TheDragon
                  • 5 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Have you posted as a reply to a comment or a separate comment ?

            12. Fudgy
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              My price predictions;

              Bruno - 11
              KDB - 12
              Trent - 8
              Martial - 10.5
              Werner - 10
              Ziyech - 9.5

              1. Eat my goal!
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Think Bruno will be less.
                Kdb 12.5

                Martial 11 maybe.

                Value will be in that chelsea side for sure

                1. Fudgy
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Agree Werner nailed in my GW1 squad.

              2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                10.0
                11.5
                8.0
                9.5
                10.0
                9.0

              3. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Werner overpriced I reckon as well as Ziyech.

                1. Fudgy
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Werner for anything less than 10 is a bargain tho

                  1. FOO FIGHTER
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    Although I do not play CL fantasy, Werner's price is low. I reckon 8 or 8.5.

              4. Blueberg
                • 8 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Ziyech is 8.5 on fanteam... seems a bargain.

            13. Detweiler
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Membership renewed for another season. Thanks to all at Scout for a successful season and insight. Here's 20/21!

              1. The 12th Man
                • 10 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Think I’m going to give hub a try and compare.
                Will pick the one I like the most the following year.

            14. wulfrunian
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              I don't want Fulham in the Premier League.No offence.

              1. Fudgy
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Swansea will beat them

            15. El Magico5
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Kebano on the watch list if fulham go up...

            16. Az
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Final Scoutcast of the season done.

              Just wanted to thank everyone on here for their support with the SC and my articles on here - as well as my Blackbox pod.

              The feedback, support, well wishes etc. keeps me wanting to come back to FPL and make new content and continue to be involved in our little (well not so little anymore) community.

              Enjoy the break and see you when we can make our GW 1 teams!

              1. Mighty Banana
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                I have withdrawal already...

              2. Firminooooo
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 8 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Have a good summer AZ. See you next season.

                1. Firminooooo
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 8 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Great to hear you will host scoutcast with Joe.

              3. TheDragon
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                It’s been a great season from you AZ, both FPL performance and Content you’ve put out.

                Looking forward to see what you’ve got in store for next season!

              4. FPL Daniel
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Thank you Az, you have been a joy to watch and listen. With Mark and Granville gone, you are kind the only one showing his personality while playing the game... I rarely see emotions by the other guys.

                Please create more content next year.

                Cheers

            17. FOO FIGHTER
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Lloris
              TAA ___ ___
              Salah KDB ___ ___
              ___ ___ ___

              Fill the rest of my team for next season 😀

              1. diesel001
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Arsenal defender
                Man Utd defender
                Pulisic
                Fernandes

                1. FOO FIGHTER
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  No Arsenal.

                  Not sure I want to start with any UTD due to the purple patches of playing well, playing really bad and then well again under Ole as very bad could follow again. But depending on Fernandes £ I will still consider.

                  Pulisic looking the way, if he can stay fit then he may well become extremely explosive. Also interested in Werner.

                  1 x Wolves defender will definetely go in.

                  Going to be an exciting season and LFC defending their title will not see Klopp playing second string sides 😀

              2. TheDragon
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Jimenez - always and forever

                Potentially Ings and Greenwood too if prices cheaply enough

                1. FOO FIGHTER
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Greenwood a good shout. Should be nailed as well but still want to hold and see how UTD progress under Ole. CL could be there undoing.

            18. Greek Freak
              • 8 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Why didn't Mitrovic play in the play-off semi-final today?

              1. diesel001
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Injured

                1. Greek Freak
                  • 8 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Thanks. Wouldn't mind having him back in FPL.

            19. Mid budget coach
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              It's true, and it was mostly Aguero

            20. Ógie
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              What happens if fpl move the deadline back to two hours before kick off but the leaks just keep coming?

              1. Mighty Banana
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                They wont. There's a reason they're usually in the last 15 mins.

              2. diesel001
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Hard to give official team lineup news that is 100% correct as the managers (or more correctly, the admin staff) won't have given in the team sheets to the refs / PL two hours before the first kick-off.

                Stuff may leak from training sessions etc, but that stuff is notoriously unreliable (see Pogba / Fernandes 'news' in the Mirror recently)

              3. TheDragon
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                We keep moving it back until we get to a stage where you set your team at the start of the season and that’s it 🙂

                1. Ógie
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  It's bad enough that i will probably be losing an hour of my sleep in at the weekends Dragon,if it's going to be more i might have to start thinking of moving to continental Europe or one of the Nordic country's so i can get my beauty sleep.

                  1. FOO FIGHTER
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    Ha ha

              4. Brosstan
                • 9 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                The teams are submitted to the official PL representatives at 1h15m before the game starts. Then the media gets the lineup at around 1h before. The problem with the leaks is that some people have 100% reliable leaked lineups because they have inside access to the official lineups that are submitted 1h15m before deadline. This wouldnt be an issue if the deadline was 2h before. There would still be "leaks" but they wouldnt be so reliable. They would be more like Jamie Jackson Aguero injury bs...

            21. Ginkapo FPL
              • 12 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Salah cant decline from subpar

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Well, not many players around going to be replacing him, not with his scoring record 🙂

              2. TheDragon
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Salah will be in my team every gameweek forever and there is
                Nothing anyone can do about it

            22. TheDragon
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 8 months ago

              Bruno Fernandes

              He is a strange one from an FPL perspective. If you take away penalties, is he really a good option? I know he was exhausted last few games but he certainly is no KDB.

              His FPL point scoring this season has been incredible but... it seems largely based on penalties and primarily getting points vs teams in lower half of the table

              GW38 a classic example where he did nothing and got an 11 point return. (I was a happy owner!)

              But can the penalties really continue to come with such incredible frequency next season? If not then is he really a good option if he is priced at 10m+? If not, at what price would he be an option?

              1. @persecuted_by_mods
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  He's only scored a few penalties, I actually think his open play goalscoring will come to the fore next season. He can't maintain the points scoring of this season but he's gonna be almost a must have. I love kdb but he's not greedy like Bruno is, a perfect fpl asset always spamming through balls and shots, on pretty much all set pieces

                • Eat my goal!
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 5 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Well both Manchester clubs play quick passes into quick players in the box - pens will continue imo

                • FOO FIGHTER
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  He will be in many teams start of next season. I am going Salah and KDB in midfield so pending price of Fernandes, Pulisic just as good as an option.

                  Chelsea look like they are ready to overhaul their squad and could be in for some very decent signing. Too many new additions could go tits up though.

                • pingissimus
                  • 5 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  MBP 3-2-1 🙂

                • pingissimus
                  • 5 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Suspect for me it may be a case of deciding if he’s the best value option at United - unless they get really juicy early fixtures.

                  The double triple up for me will require United to sustain late season form next season. Not a given. I can see a cheaper Rash or Martial or Greenwood being the value option I get there quite possibly if fixtures are just middling.

                  I defo don’t see him as a “season hold” auto pick. This time last year Sterling was that man. He could have been but it turned out he wasn’t. Same could just as easily be true of Bruno next time.

                  1. FOO FIGHTER
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    If Martial is classified as a FWD and his price is not hiked too much then he could be one of the too haves next season...

                • Piggs Boson
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  It's a classic case of quality over chances imo. His underlying chance data does not compete with the likes of Salah and Sterling, but Bruno has more quality in his final execution so may be worth ignoring the data for. I'd put KDB in that camp too, his data doesn't come close to Salah and Sterling, but his quality may supersede the data and make him worth it. Tough decisions ahead...

                • Big boy Bowen
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  He will decline

                  1. Piggs Boson
                    • 12 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    He has to really, those numbers are ridiculous. But in that declined state will he still be worth it? He might be...

                    He should still get lots of penalties given United's quick forwards.

                • Scholes Out For Summer
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 10 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  I think Pogba could be a sneaky good pick, especially if he can get back on form. His long and mid range passing could be huge with all those runners in the front 4

                  Definitely not a beginning of the season option but will monitor through the season

              2. FOO FIGHTER
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Bloody hell, my first hulked post on this page and the shocker of Sterling 204 and 204 ha ha.

                Was good banter though ladies and gents 😀

              3. goriuanx
                • 13 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                For 19/20 season:

                PL fixtures released 13th June
                Season started 9th August
                Gap of 57 days

                20/21 season starts in 47 days.. maybe we'll get them in the next fortnight.

                1. BENOIT
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 8 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  Bring on another FPL season. Sooner the better, IMO

                  1. goriuanx
                    • 13 Years
                    3 years, 8 months ago

                    We're probably less than a month away from a release.

                    August 12th~ gives a month of tinkering.

              4. BENOIT
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 8 Years
                3 years, 8 months ago

                Crazy how dead it is on here now....

                Wonder how many topped themselves after the carnage that was the final day of the season?

                1. Ginkapo FPL
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 8 months ago

                  No need