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How does Kai Havertz compare with Chelsea’s other FPL attacking assets?

Chelsea have continued their spending spree this summer with the acquisition of one of the most coveted young talents in Europe, Kai Havertz.

The attacking midfielder has signed a five-year deal with the Blues, following in the footsteps of Timo Werner (£9.5m) in moving to west London from the Bundesliga.

Arguably the club’s biggest statement since the signing of Eden Hazard from Lille, the German has been priced up at £8.5m – in a similar bracket to Christian Pulisic (£8.5m) and Hakim Ziyech (£8.0m) – by Fantasy Premier League and has the potential to be a real bargain.

Anyone who dabbled in Fantasy Bundesliga this summer would have been excited by what they saw – including some ‘out of position’ run-outs up front – so we’ll assess his FPL credentials in the article below.

The History and Statistics

YearAppMinsGoalsAssistsShots/gameKey passes/game
2016/17241451451.30.8
2017/18302141381.21.1
2018/193429011732.61
2019/203024621262.22
Average29.52238.89.05.51.81.2

Born in Aachen, Germany in June 1999, Havertz started out in amateur football at just four years of age for Alemannia Mariadorf where his grandfather, Richard, was club chairman. His father was a policeman and mother a lawyer so discipline was something that was impressed upon him at a young age.

It was his grandfather who encouraged him in his younger days, spending time with the youngster knocking down gnomes in the garden with his left foot. Richard’s passing when Havertz was just 10 led the German to join his first professional club, Alemannia Aachen.

He only spent a year with his hometown club, with a hat-trick against Bayer Leverkusen in an 8-3 loss impressing them enough to make them sign the youngster. He was highly sought after by clubs across the country, including Borussia Monchengladbach and Koln, but Leverkusen pulled out all the stops to sign the exciting prospect.

He notched seven goals and two assists over 23 appearances in his first season in the U17-Bundesliga West but the next season was where he really shone.

After scoring 18 goals, he was awarded the silver Fritz Walter Medal in the 2015/16 season after being named the second-best German under-17s player; two years later he won the gold in the under-19s category.

In October 2016, at 17 years and 126 days of age, he became the youngest debutant in Bayer Leverkusen’s history and later became their youngest scorer with a strike against Wolfsburg in April. 

He went on to become the youngest ever player in the Bundesliga to register 50 appearances. Coincidentally, the previous holder of that record was his new Chelsea teammate, Timo Werner. Havertz was also the youngest ever captain of Leverkusen.

After seven goals and 13 assists in his first two seasons, 2018/19 saw him become a household name in Germany with 17 goals from midfield, becoming the first teenager to hit that total in a Bundesliga season.

Nine of Havertz’s 17 goals gave Leverkusen a 1-0 lead and no player in the Bundesliga opened the scoring more frequently that season. Manager Peter Bosz’s attacking philosophy gave him a platform to flourish and he featured in every single game that campaign.

He took three penalties that season, posting an xG of 13.1 and a non-penalty xG of 10.9; this would indicate that he is a good finisher.

“I guess reading the game has always been one of my strengths. A certain composure on the ball and the ability to make the right choices quickly.” – Kai Havertz

Havertz started off the 2019/20 season by becoming the second-youngest player in Bundesliga history to score 25 goals with a strike against Paderborn on the opening day. He went on to register 12 goals and six assists that campaign with an xG of 9.1. Only one of these was a penalty, which meant his non-penalty xG was 8.3. Again, he outperformed his xG significantly and even upped his xA to 6.2.

Over his last three seasons, his non-penalty xG+xA per 90 numbers have been on the rise every year and he averages an expected goal involvement every other game over that period.

“If you can always be one or two steps ahead of your opponent, you can already win the game, and I think that’s just the player he is.” – Leon Bailey, Havertz’s teammate.

Comparison v other Chelsea assets

2019/20Mins/shotMins/SoTMins/KPSoT%Goals/shotGoals/SoT
Abraham25.263.5105.839.80.170.43
Mount25.652.6124.937.20.090.24
Giroud36.89956.348.70.210.42
Pulisic27.46957.540.30.150.36
Werner22.843.95344.90.180.38
Ziyech18.252.220.834.80.070.21
Havertz42.4584143.10.190.44

Unlike Ziyech, Havertz is not a volume shooter who takes a lot of speculative shots from outside the box: his minutes/shot is the lowest in the comparison.

However, a large percentage of the youngster’s efforts are on target (43%), compared to the Moroccan (34.8%). In fact, his goals per shot (0.19) is almost triple that of Ziyech’s (0.07).

What’s even more impressive is that Havertz scores with nearly half of his shots on target (44%) whereas Ziyech is closer to 20%. He even bests Werner, who has goals/shot of 0.18 and goals/shot on target of 0.38.

In terms of creativity, only Ziyech (20.8) created chances more frequently than Havertz (41) last season.

The Prospects

Havertz spent most of the 2019/20 season deployed as a no. 10, also featuring on the right flank and at centre-forward at times. Given that Ziyech’s preferred position is on the right wing and Pulisic has been effective on the left, Lampard is expected to use the German behind his compatriot Werner.

Werner is a very different striker compared to Olivier Giroud (£7.0m) and Tammy Abraham (£7.5m). As we saw briefly in the Brighton friendly, he works a lot more off the ball, similar to Roberto Firmino (£9.5m).

Ruben Loftus-Cheek (£6.0m), who was playing as a no. 10, found himself in the box very often as a result of the German’s link-up play and the 4-3-3 that Lampard prefers shaped up into a 4-2-2-2 in transition. Given Havertz’ goal-scoring instincts, the prospects are mouth-watering, to say the least.

Chelsea were second only to Manchester City for expected goals last season, so creating chances was not a problem and by adding an ice-cold finisher like Havertz to their ranks, the Blues’ goal output should go up significantly this season.

With Havertz having had zero minutes with Chelsea in pre-season due to international involvement with Germany, it is perhaps unlikely that Lampard throws him into the fray straight away against Brighton, with a cameo appearance most likely. His minutes should improve as the weeks go on and he settles in, however.

In terms of injury, he has a good overall fitness record with only the muscle tear he suffered in November 2019 causing him to miss more than 15 days out with injury. He has been unavailable for just six games over the past three seasons due to injury or illness.


Statistics taken from Opta, fbref.com and Whoscored.com

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  1. Vazza
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Which option is better

    A. Robbo, Jimenez
    B. Doherty, Werner

    1. Miguel Sanchez
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A - don’t think Doherty will have same license to get into box under Mourinho

      1. DontPiqueTooSoon
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Look at Aurier stats last year. Doherty will get just as many opportunities for goals & assists

      2. Pep bites Kun
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Not necessarily true Miguel - don't think Maureen may be implementing a 'Pep/Klopp' high push win?

        A: Both proven assets

    2. Stormbringer22
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A

      1. Think
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Aurier with 1 goal & 7 assist suggests that Doherty will have licence to go forward.Doherty will better the tally.

        Same way in Doherty less wolves team Jimenez appeal will reduce.

        So I will go for B

    3. DontPiqueTooSoon
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B

    4. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B

    5. Pep bites Kun
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A: Both proven assets

  2. The Train Driver
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Ceballos 5.0 underpriced?

    1. Dr. Rog
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      given his record yes

    2. Miguel Sanchez
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      It’s a tempting price for sure

    3. Stormbringer22
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Probably one of the best 5.0 mid options

    4. Amey
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Yup

    5. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Price due to 0 goals and 2 assists last season. I think he's going to prove a decent number of assists and should be close to nailed. Good enough for me.

      1. dunas_dog
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Do you think Saka worth.5 m more?

        1. Andy_Social
          • 11 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          If they had equal minutes I'd have Saka. But Saka has too much competition; I don't think Ceballos has any.

          1. dunas_dog
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Thanks

        2. The Pesci challenge
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          No Willian and Pepe about

    6. Pep bites Kun
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Under-priced if he gets the games. RM understudy, so should. Competing with Saka & others though?

  3. Stormbringer22
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    With Ziyech and Puli injured and Kai likely to miss GW1, that 4th mid spot is difficult to fill. Was keen on having one of the 3 Chelsea boys to begin with but now have to resort to a different 8-8.5 mid. Best bet? Willian, Alli, Pepe?

    1. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Alli is a good placeholder until the best Chelski emerges.

    2. PapaWengzz
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Im going with Alli

    3. Stormbringer22
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Cheers both. Was leaning towards Alli, even though it would be a double up with Son.

    4. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Willian....

    5. Ginkapo FPL
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Why is Kai likely to miss gw1?

      1. EgyptianKing
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Yeah, I think he might start as well

      2. Flair
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Played a week and other options like RLC, Mount are considered more fit. Don't totally buy the argument myself but that's the reasoning I've seen.

        1. Flair
          • 3 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          *Been here

          1. Ginkapo FPL
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            When Ziyech and Puli are injured, I'm not even sure it matters that Mount is fit.

            1. Flair
              • 3 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Ziyech isn't ruled out yet, he seems fine at the moment. The front three should be CHO - Werner - Pulisic in which case Kovacic and Mount could take the midfield spots.

      3. Stormbringer22
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Don't know if he would be thrown into the deep end straight away. Worth punting do you think? Would love it if he started since then my dilemma is resolved

    6. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Going with Alli week 1

  4. R.C
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    RIP Vinagre

    Wolverhampton are set to sign also Fernando Marçal from OL. The agreement has been reached on last hours. He turned down an offer received from an Italian club to join Wolves. Fee around €2m.

    @Fabri

    1. davies
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      He’s backup - Vinagre place to lose

    2. PapaWengzz
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I'll still start with Vinagre. Wolves desperately needed a backup CB and they got one cheap.

      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        looks like they are signing a cb

        1. PapaWengzz
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          I'd be surprised if they get both. Interesting to see as neither has been announced.

    3. Flair
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Backup and has played LCB 6 out of 7 times this season. Also been very poor at LWB when he's played and is 31, Vinagre should be fine.

    4. jtreble
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      RIP Marçal.

  5. MoSalalalalalalalalah
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Which is better?

    A) Soucek + Martinez
    B) ASM + Button

    1. Miguel Sanchez
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A

    2. Jullepuu
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B

    3. Pep bites Kun
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      What gk does A give?

      1. MoSalalalalalalalalah
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Martinez (Arsenal)

      2. Pep bites Kun
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        *B primary gk 🙂

        1. MoSalalalalalalalalah
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Don't know if Button will start over Johnstone for WBA. I have Mccarthy starting already btw

    4. Pep bites Kun
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Sorry my mistake :-). What's the playing gk option for B?

      1. MoSalalalalalalalalah
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        In both scenarios my starting GK will be Mccarthy

  6. MIGHTY JOE
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Any feedback much appreciated!

    McCarthy
    Egan TAA Mitchell Vinagre
    Son Salah Auba ASM
    Ings Kane

    Button, Bissouma, Douglas, Davis.

    GW2: Salah->Rashford
    G3: Auba-> KDB (3.0 ITB)

    Cheers, and good luck everyone.

  7. davies
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    TAA & ...

    A) Robbo
    B) Doherty

    1. SKENG
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      A

    2. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B

  8. zero90
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Adams/4.5m Mid or Ward-Prowse/4.5m Fw ?

    1. SKENG
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Adams but would prefer Armstrong

  9. SKENG
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Pretty settled on this BBGW1+WCGW2 team:

    McCarthy Johnstone
    Robbo Doherty Tierney Vinagre Justin
    Salah Ziyech Alli ASM Armstrong
    Werner Ings Antonio

    1. Ser Davos
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Interesting and looks good

    2. Ruud000
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      What formation are you planning to use?

      If you’re WC GW2 then why have you got so much money on the bench? It’s a free hit, so just pick one playing sub and 4.0, 4.5 the others.

      1. sunzip14
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        says BB in GW1?

      2. wheato
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Bench Boost.

  10. Agamenmon
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Who will be Wolves Right back this season

    1. Jullepuu
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Adama

      1. Ask Yourself
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        This

    2. Flair
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      They will 100% make a signing, Traore is better utilized on the wing. Their #1 target atm

  11. The Frenchie
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    What do you think guys?

    McCarthy
    Alexander-Arnold / Van Dijk / Vinagre / Walker-Peters / (Dallas)
    Salah / Aubameyang / Bruno Fernandes / Saint-Maximin / (Stephens)
    Ings / Calvert-Lewin (Davis)

  12. FOO FIGHTER
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Cannot go without Ings looking at those fixtures, can you?

    Soton also played very attacking football preseason so hauls incoming...

    1. Ser Davos
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      He’s not budged from mine for weeks. Loves bonus too

      1. Think
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        I have him since game launched.

    2. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Agreed

    3. The Big Fella
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Yeah my probloem is I can afford Werner or Ings and I prefer Ings but Werner's ownership is so high and Chelsea also have good fixtures

    4. Flair
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Sure you can

      1. Think
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        I have both Werner & Ings.

        1. Flair
          • 3 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          I have Werner, Kane and Vardy with Aguero coming in for the latter in GW3. Can't find the space for Ings

    5. Shteve
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Not so sure, of the first 5, I'd say the West Brom game is the only one you'd definitely expect returns.

    6. HollywoodXI
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Ings is being overlooked. Nailed in my team and going nowhere.

  13. Agamenmon
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    A) Armstrong Or
    B) Saint Maximun

    1) Soucek Or
    2) Ceballos

    1. cravencottage
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      B,1 ( if fit)

  14. Make United Great Again
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Regulion to United needs to happen.

    1. Amey
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Why ?
      RM want buy back clause. I don't think we should sign a player that's not going to spend his prime with us. He's 23. Once Marcelo is done they'll want him back.

      1. The Ejiptian King
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Obviously only if we can negotiate no buy back, goes without saying.

        1. Amey
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Depends upon your skills pal 😉

    2. The Ejiptian King
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Yes please.

  15. Miguel Sanchez
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Do you think Saka and Keita start their side’s GW1 fixture?

    1. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Yes x2

      1. Miguel Sanchez
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        What will your mid be GW1?

        Hendo Fabinho Keita

        1. goriuanx
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Klopp mentioned yesterday Henderson prob won't make it iirc

          Alisson
          TAA Gomez/Matip VVD Robbo
          Fabinho Keita
          Salah Minamino Mane
          Firmino

          For GW1 in my opinion

          1. King Kohli
            • 11 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            If no Henderson for gw 1, is it still worth captaining Mo?

            Pool seem to play poorly without Henderson

            1. goriuanx
              • 13 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              If it's 4231, as I would expect it to be given Gini exit rumours, I fancy Salah to get a lot of chances

          2. Ginkapo FPL
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Isnt Salah striker with Firmino behind in the 4-2-3-1?

            1. Cok3y5murf
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              That's when Shaqiri plays on the right and Firmino in place of Minamino.

            2. goriuanx
              • 13 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Usually yes, but wasn't the case yesterday. Maybe cos Klopp wants Minamino central

  16. Atimis
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Is TAA worth over Robo? 0.5 would be handy ofc

    1. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Absolutely

    2. thepeen555
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Not sure whether to go with either but finding it hard to not then have 1 in the team.

    3. DontPiqueTooSoon
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Yes. More of a Goal threat from free kicks & takes corners too

    4. Jullepuu
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Yes

  17. thepeen555
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    So C Taylor better choice than T-ski.at Burnley? 1 because of the difference in price and I think T-ski might be on the move.

    1. Jullepuu
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Yes

  18. Shark Team
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    I just post this ultimate team I'm not sure if I will go for it as it's weak for gw1:

    McCarthy
    TAA Davies Vinagre Robertson
    Auba Greenwood Foden
    Vardy Werner Ings

    Bench:4.0, Taylor, 4.5, 4.5

    1. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Too many hits incoming with that midfield.

  19. MoSalalalalalalalalah
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    RMT
    0 ITB
    Any opinion is appreciated!

    Mccarthy (Martinez)
    Trent - Vinagre - Dier (Egan & Mitchell)
    Auba - Soucek - Bissouma - Mané (Greenwood)
    Ings - Werner - Mitro

    1. Society
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Try to find someone more settled than Vinagre.
      If it's Egan, that's fine.

    2. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Starting 11 with a 5.0 and 4.5 mid.

      Meh.

      1. MoSalalalalalalalalah
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        ASM over Soucek? And then Button over Martinez?

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Decide on Greenwood after you have seen UTD GW2.

          You are benching 7.5m and taking away from points potential for GW1.

          What if Greenwood does not start GW2? Then you are stuck with a 5.0 and 4.5 mid.

          Not keen on ASM. Newcastle to go down this season IMO.

          1. MoSalalalalalalalalah
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            I see you POV and think I agree. Any better midfield options I could slot in over Bissouma, Greenwood and Soucek? As well as anywhere else I can improve?

  20. jimmyabs1987
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Doherty and Jiminez or Dier and Werner?

  21. Jebiga
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Is Ceballos at 5.0 good 4th mid pick ?

    1. Jullepuu
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Not really

    2. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Was the bandwagon last season worth it. Most were stuck with him for weeks on end.

    3. Old Man
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Maybe for 2 weeks

  22. DontPiqueTooSoon
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Soucek or Cellabos? Cellabos tempted me last year & got burnt.

    1. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I've just both into my draft. Both at a price I don't mind staying on/coming off my bench.

    2. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      He’s just not that good, he’s just there to move the ball about the pitch a bit better. Not attacking enough for me. Aubameyang for me from arsenal and that’s it

  23. goriuanx
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Callum Wilson to Newcastle then, 6-6.5m would make him very tempting.

    1. Lav
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Needed. But would stay away initially due to poor form last season.

      1. The Pesci challenge
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        No real preseason either

    2. Think
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Done ?

    3. Piggs Boson
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      You just know he'll be 7.0m to put us all off.

      If Ryan Fraser gets back his best at Newcastle, their attack is significantly improved...

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Yep, looks better on paper

        ASM Almiron Fraser
        Wilson

        1. pingissimus
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          ASM and Fraser both play on the left no?

          But it's an attractive looking attack if they are all on it.

          1. Piggs Boson
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            Fraser plays on the right a lot too.

    4. The Big Fella
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      If he is 6, he is in my team

  24. Lav
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Hows this defense?

    Ryan - Button
    TAA - Doh - Vinagre - Taylor* - Mitchell

    1. cravencottage
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Pretty template- good

      1. Lav
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Yeah, now time to potentially go without Aubameyang. Did it last year, but scared right now.

    2. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Good- other consideration is Dier Justin/KWP over Doherty Mitchell- Van Aanholt looks like could be back very soon

  25. pingissimus
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Just seen Dubravka is out - that's potentially serious for them.

    Started last season targetting Newcastle - that was the Pukki hattie. Now wondering about Antonio or Bowen. Returns against Arsenal week 2 seem possible.

    Bizarre how their other 2 keepers are 5.0 and 4.5.

    1. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I think if they can get the 3 signings (cilson, Fraser & Lewis) over the line I think they’ll be ok, they play 3 atb so I think they can cover for a bit

      1. Flair
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        They play a 4-2-3-1 now that is extremely leaky, the likes of Antonio and Wood should find a lot of joy targeting that defense. When it comes to bigger teams Bruce brings out the 5-4-1 and parks the bus which ruins the offensive assets.

      2. pingissimus
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Don't see those signings will affect defence. They were not just leaky last time but outperformed XGC fairly significantly - I imagine Dubravka was a large part of that. Only Norwich conceded more shot on target.

  26. Jimjam
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    (1) Son or Alli (+1m)?

    (2) Jimenez or Ings?

    1. cravencottage
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Son, Ings

      1. Think
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        I agree

        1. The Pesci challenge
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          +1

        2. dunas_dog
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          I agree too

  27. cravencottage
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Which to start the season;
    Keita or Ceballos ?
    Both should start IMO

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Ceballos

    2. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Both options stink, rather go with a 4.5 mid and use the difference somewhere else

  28. pmletch
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Any 5.5 midfielders took preseason by storm?

    1. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      ASM I think

  29. Society
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Template picks I don't understand ..... pls help !
    Stephens (BHA)
    St Maximan
    Vinagre
    Dier

    1. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Stephens - Playing 4.5m fodder.
      ASM - Very attacking mid. Poor team, but he creates a lot.
      Vinagre - Starting LWB for Wolves in Jonny's absence.
      Dier - Starting CB for Spurs. Some set piece goal threat that makes him better than Davies.

      1. Society
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        Respectfully disagree. Thanks Camzy.

        1. The Ejiptian King
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          With everything? Why did you ask?

          1. Society
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 7 months ago

            I asked because you guys see Dier as more eventful while he's playing centre back in rotation.
            I asked because you guys see 1 point per game Stephens as worthwhile.
            I asked because template teams have Vinagre starting ..... he's not nailed & templates have no bench.
            I asked because ..... isn't there something better than ASM ?

            1. Society
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              ASM, injured last season in PL, injured the season before while I sat on him in another league.

              1. Society
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 7 months ago

                Flies hard for 2 minutes.

            2. Flair
              • 3 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              Dier is nailed, Stephens is a bench midfielder, Vinagre seems pretty nailed, ASM seems the best option for 5.5 if Wilson and Fraser sign

            3. The Ejiptian King
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 7 months ago

              I'm not saying I agree with those picks but you already knew the answers.

        2. Society
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 7 months ago

          Ha, next post : Doherty.
          Sus early ! ..... but template ?

    2. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Stephens is bench fodder and seems to pick a point or 2 up but I think bissouma is the one you want this season.
      ASM has had a decent preseason as well as being the flair player and everything is going through at the moment.
      Vinagre is a cheap wolves option with Jonny out for a bit.
      Dier been playing in the defence during preseason but I’d rather have bavies or stretch to Doherty

  30. Aztec Kamara
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 7 months ago

    Ok really want someone to shoot me down on this and tell me why I’m wrong...
    It seems to be generally accepted that 4.5 GK is the way to go, but...
    Lloris outscores every 4.5 by at least a point a game and that’s a great return on 1m extra for any position. Spurs have great fixtures. I don’t like the look of their other defenders apart from Doherty, and spending a bit more on a player you don’t rotate makes sense.
    Why am I wrong? I’m struggling to convince myself otherwise.

    1. Flair
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      You're not. If Lloris plays every game a conservative estimate is that he gains 160+ points, which is excellent value at 5.5.

    2. The Pesci challenge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I think the best thing to say here is you play your game, if you think he’s worth then go for him. I just can’t see the value in Lloris, I’d rather have pope tbh. I think it’s more to do with the potential attacking returns for the likes of the spurs def’s. Doherty is the way to go

    3. Mike2795647
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Depends what you can do with the extra million. If you got a 4.5m keeper, you may lose 30-40 points, but you may gain them with a more attacking defender such as Doherty instead of Dier.

      That’s my logic at least, although am now tempted by the Lloris and Dier double up instead of McCarthy and Doherty for some reason

    4. Aztec Kamara
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      Thanks all. I had Doherty I drafts but just a bit of doubt crept in and even with the 4.5 keeper I’d need to lose another fwd I want in order to fund it.

    5. nolard
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 7 months ago

      I got Lloris.

      1. nolard
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 7 months ago

        But I am not settled on him. Could go Ramsdale.