Scout Notes

Can Robertson sustain value advantage over Alexander-Arnold after 10-point haul?

Liverpool 3-1 Arsenal

  • Goals: Sadio Mané (£11.9m), Andrew Robertson (£7.0m), Diogo Jota (£6.3m) | Alexandre Lacazette (£8.5m)
  • Assists: Mohamed Salah (£12.1m), Trent Alexander-Arnold (£7.5m)
  • Bonus points: Alexander-Arnold x3, Robertson x2, Mané x1

Robbo’s Return

Andrew Robertson (£7.0m) is fast making a case to be considered the best Fantasy Premier League asset among Liverpool defenders this season.

His goal and 10-point haul against Arsenal took him to a total of 20 for the season so far, behind only Timothy Castagne (£5.7m), Tyrone Mings (£5.0m) and Ezri Konsa (£4.5m) among all defenders after three Gameweeks.

Crucially, the left-back is ahead of Trent Alexander-Arnold (£7.5m) by a total of five points and, unlike his right-sided counterpart, is yet to blank this season.

Robertson assisted in Liverpool’s 4-3 win over Leeds, kept a clean sheet at Chelsea and found the net against Arsenal. In that time, Alexander-Arnold blanked against Leeds, before stringing together two seven-point scores in Gameweeks 2 and 3.

While the right-back is not too far behind his colleague, at a time when Wildcards are the talk of the town, the fact that Robertson is proving better value, by 2.9 points per million spent to 2.0, will not have gone unnoticed.

There is no denying that Robertson is in great form right now but Alexander-Arnold owners will certainly feel rather unfortunate not to come out of Gameweek 3 with more attacking returns.

Alexander-Arnold’s persistence

The right-back enjoyed an evening defined by a constant stream of trademark balls into the box, fired in from deep – and he could easily have racked up a hat-trick of assists.

In the 11th minute, he put up an excellent ball for Virgil van Dijk (£6.5m), whose header back across goal was denied on the line by David Luiz (£5.5m).

Three minutes later, Alexander-Arnold fired in another delightful cross, met by an onrushing Sadio Mané (£11.9m), whose powerful effort was well-saved by Bernd Leno (£5.0m).

Then, in the 20th minute, the right-back unleashed his own shot from range which deflected through a crowd of bodies onto the crossbar.

In the end, Alexander-Arnold’s perseverance in the cross paid off when he found Robertson at the back post to poke home and put Liverpool 2-1 up.

Such a display, which came with maximum bonus points, is almost certainly enough to keep 

Latest on the Defensive double-up

Is there still value in the Liverpool double-up? Perhaps not on the clean sheet front, but the attacking returns are helping Alexander-Arnold and Robertson offer plenty of points potential between them.

The Reds are still waiting for their first home clean sheet of the campaign, and they have registered just two from a possible eight since February 24, but their full-backs still scored 17 points between them on Monday night.

That seems to be indicative of what this Liverpool team is all about right now. We have seen this side operate on a ‘risk-versus-reward’ basis for some time now. It is something that will lead to the concession of poor goals, as we have seen against Leeds and Arsenal now, but it also adds to how dangerous Liverpool are at Anfield.

In fact, Alexander-Arnold and Robertson were the very men at fault for Alexandre Lacazette‘s (£9.5m) first-half strike. The right-back was caught stranded high up the pitch, allowing Ainsley Maitland-Niles (£4.9m) to press into leftover space, while Robertson was the man whose clearance went straight to Lacazette’s feet.

But, considering their exploits further up the field led to Liverpool winning the game 3-1, and each full-back coming away with attacking returns, Jurgen Klopp will have no complaints, and maybe Fantasy managers shouldn’t either.

“I didn’t see us really being sloppy in defending. I saw us in one or two passing situations when we gave the ball too easy away, which is just then a problem because to outplay Arsenal you need a quite expansive formation. Losing the ball without any pressure on yourself, that doesn’t make too much sense, that can really hurt you. So in these moments yes, but our defending was really good, really good, because you cannot defend Arsenal for 90 minutes with the quality they have. It’s completely normal that they have chances [and] you need a goalie for that, you need a block for that, you need all these kind of things.” – Jurgen Klopp

Magic Mané

Meanwhile, Mané insists on pushing Mohamed Salah (£12.1m) for Fantasy returns once again this season. With three goals in as many matches, the Senegalese international is now only three points behind his Egyptian colleague and, arguably looked the sharper of the two on Monday night.

While Salah had an evening characterised by snatched shots, and in some cases, snatching them away from his colleagues, Mané had the more clear cut opportunities.

He was on hand to gobble up the rebound from Salah’s shot in the 28th minute, and, just after the hour-mark, he clipped wide after a well-worked one-two with Roberto Firmino (£9.4m).

Furthermore, Mané has had the edge over Salah in away matches for the last year, with eight goals on the road to the Egyptian’s four since the start of last season. That particular statistic bodes well for him considering that three of Liverpool’s next five Premier League matches take them away from Anfield.

Meanwhile, Salah owners will feel a little unlucky not to have seen the Egyptian leave Gameweek 3 with two assists. He made an excellent run inside from his right-attacking-midfield station, across Arsenal’s defensive line and fed substitute Diogo Jota (£6.3m) on the left. The former Wolves man looked certain to score, but could only ruffle the side-netting.

And if we are focussing on Liverpool’s road-trip contributions last season, none of Salah’s colleagues registered more assists away from home in 2019/20, Robertson and Alexander-Arnold matching his total of six from over 200 more minutes each.

Time to consider Lacazette?

We are certainly at the point where the Fantasy community should start considering Lacazette for their squads.

Thankfully for the one million FPL managers who sold Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (£11.9m) for Gameweek 3, it was the Frenchman who, once again, represented the chief goal threat for Arsenal.

Lacazette was in the right place to capitalise on Robertson’s 25th-minute error and had two other gilt-edged chances to score at Anfield before Eddie Nketiah (£5.9m) replaced him in the 73rd minute.

That made for a seven-point haul in Gameweek 3, his third of the campaign, which takes him to a total of 21. That is only one less than the similarly-priced Danny Ings (£8.4m) and Richarlison (£8.0m).

Crucially, it also means that Lacazette is one of the most reliable Fantasy assets thus far, yet to blank and about to face Sheffield United (home), Manchester City (away) and Leicester City (home). Each of those clubs has conceded at least four times this season, giving up an average of 1.75 goals per game.

Perhaps the only thing that counts against Lacazette is his game-time. Given his scoring record, it seems unlikely that Arteta will bench him anytime soon, but it is still worth noting that he is yet to complete 90 minutes this season, averaging 78.3 per outing in 2020/21. 

Latest from the managers

Thiago Silva in action for Liverpool

There were plenty of developments on the injury front for this game. Thiago Alcantara (£6.0m) was missing for Liverpool, but Joe Gomez (£5.4m) slotted back into central defence and James Milner (£5.4m) returned from his yellow flag on the bench.

“After the international break, (Thiago) will be fine, for sure. That’s the situation, in the moment. He is not fit enough to be involved today, but that’s it.” – Jurgen Klopp

Kieran Tierney (£5.4m) was back for Arsenal, which should boost their already strong clean sheet potential for the Sheffield United game. There is perhaps less certainty about starters in the Gunners’ back-three than before Monday night though, as new signing Gabriel (£5.1m) was left on the bench, Arteta preferring David Luiz (£5.5m).

“(Gabriel) has done really well, adapted really well. He’s played a few games already with us. David [Luiz] has huge experience and has played here many, many times. He gives us something different.” – Mikel Arteta

Liverpool XI (4-3-3): Alisson; Robertson, van Dijk, Gomez, Alexander-Arnold; Keita (Milner 79′), Wijnaldum, Fabinho; Mané (D Jota 80′), Firmino (Minamino 90+1′), Salah.

Arsenal XI (3-4-3): Leno; Tierney, D Luiz, Holding; Maitland-Niles, Xhaka (Ceballos 60′), Elneny, Bellerín; Aubameyang, Lacazette (Nketiah 74′), Willian (Pépé 68′).

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  1. how now brown cow
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Missed the 1st half tonight - and I gather chelsea were much better early on - but they looked really average 2nd half didnt they?

    Did werner look decent 1st half?

    1. Bubz
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Just his goal really, great finish. Not much else

      1. how now brown cow
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Thanks. I still really rate him as a player, but maybe he's one to get back later.

  2. Dynamic Duos
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Adding more attack in midfield and defence and attacking the fixtures

    Davies and Hames to KWP and Mahrez(c)

    1. I Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Harsh on James but I do think Mahrez looks like a great pick.

  3. RUUD!
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Is this for a -12 good or bad?

    Doherty, Son, Werner, Adams > James, Barnes, Jiminez, Vardy

    McCarthy
    TAA Doherty Justin Saiss
    Salah KDB Son
    Werner Adams DCL
    4.0 Romeu Bissouma Mitchell

    1. Neevesy
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      It's ballsy, but I wouldn't.

    2. Dynamic Duos
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      When does the hits become worthy of a wc?

      1. Neevesy
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        If you'v not used WC then use it. No point taking a - 12 when you have WC

      2. RUUD!
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        That’s the question. I see it as a mini wildcard

    3. Right In The Stanchion
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Loooool -12

    4. Nas
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      I would make all those moves individually so I don’t see why not. Adams to jimenez and Werner to vardy (if fit) look like upgrades considering form and fixtures. Son to Barnes if son is out is worth a hit. Not a fan of defensive hits especially not for a Chelsea defender but if needed to boost other positions I will

    5. skodaole2
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Have taken -12 twice but didn’t work, -8 usually work. Doherty - James is it can you avoid? Spurs have good fixtures after that and Chelsea defence doesn’t look good

    6. Bank$y
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      keep Adams and do a -8? Guess then you miss out on Vardy though which is worth more than 4 pts.

    7. Tony Moon
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Maybe do them all apart from Werner to Jimi? Then it's -8 and Jimi rarely hauls anyway.

  4. FPL_Devil
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Werner to Vardy or Martial to Ings?

  5. SH1M1
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Son back after international break Jose says

    1. Nas
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Get him back in at 8.8 then

  6. Bubz
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Werner cramp according to Frank

    1. Dynamic Duos
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      He has been a nightmare for his owners hasn't he ? I got the assist out of him gwk1 and then sold for DCL gwk2

      1. Bubz
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Yes but I have a feeling he will take the piss out of us all by scoring a hat trick randomly after we sell

        1. Dynamic Duos
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Tbh I was saying to the lads at work today, i wouldn't be selling, I would be buying if anything

      2. JBG
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Lucky and smart moves.

        1. Dynamic Duos
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          I seen how good Everton were and how bad Chelsea were even though they beat Brighton 3-1

  7. Tcheco
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Thoughts?

    --------McCarthy
    TAA Cstagne Semedo
    KDB Mane Barnes Klich
    ---DCL Ings Jimenez

    Bissouma Mitchell Dunne

  8. Camzy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    That was pretty discouraging for Werner.

    Help me with FanTeam!

    Lloris
    TAA VvD Saiss Vinagre
    Salah Sterling Havertz Rodriguez
    Wilson Werner
    (Meslier Soucek Zouma 4.0)

    I have 2 FTs and I'm really stuck.

    I kind of want off the Chelsea train but there's nothing natural. For the long term, I'd like to do:
    Werner, Havertz, Rodriguez > KdB, Grealish, Maupay
    But to do it this week seems insane when Chelsea and Everton have those fixtures.

    I could alternatively bide my time with Zouma > 4.5m defender and then make my move over the IB.

    1. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Ings or Jimenez?

      1. Camzy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        I could get either but I want to have a longer term plan.

        Werner > Ings

        But then what am I aiming for? Rodriguez > ??
        Should I be trying to get KdB or Fernandes in? There has to be ideas for where this leads.

        1. Eat my goal!
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Well Wilson needs upgrading - so I’d be looking there first with the cash

          I’d probably bring in vardy at the loss of Havertz too

          1. Camzy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Interesting. We seem to have very different priorities.

            I am just fine with Wilson. He's on penalties, good fixtures for a long time. Nailed on for 90 (which is important for FanTeam).

            I also would rather lose Rodriguez than Havertz.

    2. Right In The Stanchion
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      How you finding fanteam? I missed the deadline stupidly and can’t bring myself to join late.

      Have they even made £500k yet? They’re on for a big loss

      1. Camzy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        That's why you should join! Big overlay is great for us managers.

        I'm enjoying it well enough. The interface is a bit annoying but it's a slight inconvenience.

        1. Wild Rover
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Nobody wins anything if they go bust

          1. Camzy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            This is acquisition for them. They run this insane promo and get a whole bunch of new people on their site. And then they make money from the sportsbook and other fantasy games that are there. I'm sure they are aware they weren't going to hit this guarantee.

    3. HashAttack
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Interesting that Werner was still on the pitch but not one of the 5 penalty takers

  9. Scots Gooner
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Languishing near the bottom of my mini leagues after a rubbish start. Too early for a differential captain (Foden or Jiminez) or just play it safe with KDB and play the long game?

    1. Tcheco
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Perma cap KDB for a few games should do the trick. I think him blanking last game helps this week

    2. Neevesy
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Play it safe, KDB. Can't see him blanking twice...... Surely!?

    3. Abra Dubravka
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      KDB

  10. Neevesy
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Price predictions:

    Fofana (looks like Leicester)
    Sancho (if it ever happens)
    Ruben Dias (Man City)

    1. Klaren
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      5.0
      9.5 or 10.0
      5.5

  11. TeddiPonza
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Best options to replace Son and Werner?

    A. Barnes/Zaha and Kane
    B. Barnes/Zaha and Vardy
    C. Rashford and Ings
    D. Something else

    Got 0,6m in bank and 1 FT

  12. Right In The Stanchion
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    https://twitter.com/corffpl/status/1311053198715691014?s=21

    Werner has just got cramp. I’m keeping

  13. Every Dog Has Its Day
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    blackbox league code?

    1. Right In The Stanchion
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Right on time

      1. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        🙂

  14. SALVA
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    What to do here? Already did Werner to Jimmy. 0FT 2.0 ITB

    McCarthy (Nyland)
    TAA Justin KWP (Taylor, Ayling)
    Salah Auba Son* Podence (Bissouma)
    Jimmy Mitro DCL

  15. FDMS All Starz
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Which issue needs addressing first and how?
    A) Davies
    B) Podence
    C) Werner
    ...or should I save FT?

    (1FT/0.0itb)
    McCarthy
    Justin - Davies - TAA
    Kdb - Podence - Salah - Bruno
    Adams - Wilson - Werner

    1. Roy Rovers
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Podence back in training this week and Werner just cramp....

  16. I Member
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Any glaring flaws in this WC draft?

    Martinez
    Robertson, Coady, Justin
    Salah, KDB, Mahrez, Podence
    Jimenez, Ings, DCL

    Steer; Lamptey, Mitchell, Anguissa.

    0.0 ITB

    Assuming Podence is fit. If he isn't Mahrez and Podence become Foden and Barnes.

    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Defenders with no attacking threat are not looking good

      1. Dynamic Duos
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Robbo, Justin, Lamptey and Mitchell all have attacking returns

        1. Wild Rover
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          But he’s starting Coady

          1. Dynamic Duos
            • 10 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Would expect a cs for Wolves v Fulham

            1. Wild Rover
              • 13 Years
              3 years, 6 months ago

              So? My comment was based upon his WC, not this weeks fixtures

              1. Dynamic Duos
                • 10 Years
                3 years, 6 months ago

                Hang how do you know who he his staring every week, you said he is starting Coady that is this week

                1. Right In The Stanchion
                  • 4 Years
                  3 years, 6 months ago

                  Fight Fight Fight

      2. I Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Don't see anyone better than Coady for 5m.

        1. Dynamic Duos
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Can you not stretch to James?

  17. Klaren
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Would you play Lamptey or Burke or get one of Rashford, Bruno, Mahrez or Zaha for a -4?

    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Selling who?

      1. Klaren
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Son

        1. Wild Rover
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Take the hit

          1. Klaren
            • 6 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            I very rarely take hits but I guess it does make sense in this case.

  18. Zimo
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Will bale steal pens from kane when he starts playing

    1. FPL_Crisis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Wouldn’t think so
      It’s not like Kane is missing them

    2. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      No chance

    3. Abra Dubravka
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      No

    4. H.E. Pennypacker
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      no.

  19. Riggs
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    I have Werner Jimenez and DCL.
    A) Hold Werner
    B) replace Werner with Ings
    C) replace Werner with Laca
    D) replace Werner with Richarlison

    1. Abra Dubravka
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      A or B. B, just for me.

    2. Roy Rovers
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      A

  20. Abra Dubravka
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Keep Son and roll FT?

    Martinez
    Robbo, Saiss, Justin (Taylor, Mitchell)
    Salah, KDB, Foden, Podence, Son**
    DCL, Jiménez (Mitro)

  21. The Senate
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    ngl Mount really deserved to miss his pen after that horrendous simulation on 62 mins

  22. FPL_Devil
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Is it too early to WC in first IB? Current Team.
    Ryan (Walton)
    TAA Digne Shaw KWP (Ferguson)
    Salah KDB Podence (ASM, Burke)
    Werner Martial Mitrovic
    Cheers!!

  23. Flynny
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Evening.....dreadful start....4.5m rank....Thoughts on the following if podence is not fit?

    Werner and podence to ings and trossard- 4

    Martinez (forster)
    Taa saiss James (lamptey Mitchell)
    Salah kdb foden podence (burke)
    Werner jiminez dcl

    Thanks

    1. TLF
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Avoid the hit IMO, if Podence isn't fit he may be week after and still nice fixtures for Wolves. Let your bench cover if required.

      1. Flynny
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        OK thanks

  24. jcrawley1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Anyone wild carding this week? I’m on 169 points (after a dismal 39 in GW3!) and ideally want to hold off til GW5. But the fixtures suck that week so thinking of playing the wild card this week then I wouldn’t mind taking a hit in GW5 if necessary.

    1. Kurt Zouma
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      First WC draft, please dismantle

      Martinez (Steer)
      Gomez Justin Vinagre (Mitchell Dunne)
      Salah KdB Bruno Soucek (Stephens)
      Vardy DCL Jimi

      1. Roy Rovers
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        You may not have any of that defence playing in a couple of weeks.

    2. Kurt Zouma
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      I was replying to say yes, then forgot and posted my WC team

  25. Cheeto__Bandito
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Chilwell, Castagne or Saiss?

    1. Dynamic Duos
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Castagne

    2. The Senate
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Cas

    3. All about the galacticos
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Ca

  26. FPL FAN
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Mc Carthy

    TAA Robbo Saiss Justin
    KDB Salah Son ASM
    Vardy Mitro

    Button Mitchell Stephens Davis

    WC or not?

    1. TLF
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Why are you considering a WC ?

  27. FPL_Crisis
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    ICYMI
    Thiago tests positive for Covid, now isolating....

    1. Right In The Stanchion
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      If you mean Thiago Alcantara this is old news

      1. FPL_Crisis
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Morning news in AUS right now

  28. Right In The Stanchion
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    What are the elite managers on here doing with Son?

  29. LucasMoregametime
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    G2G?
    Pickford (Ryan)
    VVD, James, Saiss, Justin (mitchell)
    KDB, Zaha, Hamez (podence, 4.5)
    Kane, Werner, Jimi
    0.9 and FT in bank

  30. jay01
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Anyone have any idea or prediction to when Man UTD or City get their dgwks? Or when it can be fitted into the schedule?

    1. The Senate
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      If not tacked onto an International break, GW14 or 17 could work if teams get knocked out of the league cup. Otherwise it'll be much later.