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Dugout Discussion October 4

Son recovers from injury as Doherty and Davies drop to bench for United v Spurs

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Son Heung-min (£9.0m) is fit to feature in Tottenham Hotspur’s clash with Manchester United this afternoon, having made a swift recovery from a hamstring injury.

Having initially ruled the Korean out until after the October international break, Jose Mourinho appeared to be slowly backpedalling on that initial prognosis during the week and Son indeed makes the starting XI this afternoon.

Kick-off in the penultimate match of Gameweek 4 is at 16:30 BST.

Son may have been passed fit but Mourinho has otherwise rung the changes from the Gameweek 3 draw against Newcastle United, no doubt in response to the Lilywhites’ brutal schedule that has seen them play cup matches on both Tuesday and Thursday this week.

Full-backs Matt Doherty (£5.9m) and Ben Davies (£4.9m) drop to the bench, while Giovani Lo Celso (£6.9m) isn’t risked after sustaining a knock in the 7-2 win over Maccabi Haifa.

Midfielders Lucas Moura (£6.9m) and Harry Winks (£5.5m) are also among the substitutes, having started all three Premier League games before today.

Dele Alli (£7.6m) makes the 18-man squad but again doesn’t feature from the start.

Serge Aurier (£5.2m), Sergio Reguilon (£5.5m), Moussa Sissoko (£4.8m), Tanguy Ndombele (£5.9m) and Erik Lamela (£5.9m) are the players who come into Spurs’ side at Old Trafford.

The Manchester United team news is a lot more straightforward.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has made one alteration to his side from Gameweek 3, with Eric Bailly (£5.0m) replacing Victor Lindelof (£4.9m) at centre-half.

Almost 1.4 million FPL managers sold Son ahead of the Gameweek 4 deadline, with no other Fantasy asset suffering as many transfers out as the South Korea international in a single Gameweek so far this season.

Anthony Martial (£8.9m) was also out of favour, with his 303,342 sales making him the second-most sold FPL forward of this weekend.

Bruno Fernandes (£10.5m) is the only Manchester United player who has a double-digit ownership in FPL at the time of writing, with three Spurs players – Doherty, Son and Harry Kane (£10.5m) – featuring in more than 10% of Fantasy squads.

Tottenham Hotspur XI: Lloris, Aurier, Dier, Sanchez, Reguilon, Hojbjerg, Sissoko, Ndombele, Lamela, Son, Kane.

Manchester United XI: De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Bailly, Maguire, Shaw, Matic, Pogba, Fernandes, Rashford, Greenwood, Martial.

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  1. ace3.1415
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    One person in my mini-league hasson, kane, alli and doherty inhis team. How is this possible?????

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    1. ace3.1415
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      *has son

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    2. OverTinker
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      dead team who hasn't made any transfer

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    3. Says
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      had doherty from when he was still on Wolves?

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      1. ace3.1415
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        So it is possible?

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    4. Bushwhacker
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Had Doherty as a Wolves player

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    5. JohnnyRev7
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Bought Doherty when he was still a WOL player. No transfers since.

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  2. JoeSoap
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Played WC in the hope of regaining interest and thought Son was out.

    So took out Son (18 & counting) ASM (12) & Wilson (16). Safe to say interest has gone.

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    1. Jinswick
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Ouch!

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  3. AIRMILES
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Does anyone here think that Martial was right to go off, and that Lamela was right to stay on the pitch?

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    1. Gazza2000
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Would surprise me if there is...

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    2. Jack Burton
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      No neither or both first time I have agreed with Souness

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    3. Begbie.
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Martial deserved his red but Lamela should have walked too.

      VAR refs are cowards. Elbow a player in the face? Nothing. An eyelash offside? Can't be having that.

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    4. F4L
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      it's a 50/50. Martial had a clear intention to hit Lamela in the face, you can't prove that Lamela intended to elbow Martial in the face as he wasn't looking at him.

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      1. Begbie.
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        So? Bissouma didn't mean to boot Lewis in the face but he still got sent off for being reckless.

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        1. F4L
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          that's a completely different rule. That is a sending off for excessive force.

          Martial was sent off for obvious violent conduct, even if it was just a little slap. Those are the rules nowadays, I don't agree with them but you just can't raise your hands to opponent's faces nowadays.

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      2. HellasLEAF
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Do not agree at all. We have seen many blind elbows from in front result in red depending on where contact landed.

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        1. F4L
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          and you've also seem them not given as a red. Lee Dixon cited the Mane yellow for his elbow against Tierney last week, same as Lamela.

          But with Martial its different, there was clear and obvious intent to commit violent conduct.

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    5. thegaffer82
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Martial was stupid.

      But not sure how VAR don’t draw the ref’s attention to the Lamela elbow.

      I think two reds or two yellows (refs discretion) would have been fair

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    6. Bushwhacker
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Nope ; Lamela should get a several match ban. As should the ref.

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    7. HellasLEAF
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Neither red for me.

      2 yellows and get on with it.

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    8. Zilla
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      No that decision was a disgrace, either both or neither.

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  4. Magic Zico
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    This is going to be madness ... I can do KDB Wood to Kane Son for TOT great fixtures. But I won't be surprised if then WHU turn up to nullify Kane Son. Trigger anyway?

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  5. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Jose lied to get one over on United right?

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    1. The Polymath
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Hope he has security to prevent any FPL managers getting near him.. 😀

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      1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Haha! I’m having a good gameweek but if I had these Son and Wilson points I could be right near the top of overall I think :O

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  6. George Agdgdgwngo
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Has son got a game during the IB?

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    1. teneighty
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Don't think so.

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    2. have you seen cyan
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Son to pick up an injury in the dieing minutes to rule him out of international duty, then back for GW5

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    3. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Nope both games postponed according to bbc website

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  7. Bruce Lee
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    mourinho purposefully left his comments on son vague and leant towards him missing out

    he did it to throw united off... they didn't know whether to prepare for son or not

    fpl is nothing in real life

    the reward for being the luckiest player out of the 5+ million is a football and a premier league bag

    wake up people

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    1. OverTinker
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      should they have done an extra training for Son or what?

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      1. Bruce Lee
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        this makes no sense

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    2. GAMBIT
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      You forget about the right to gloat

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      1. Bruce Lee
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        priceless

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  8. thegaffer82
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Seriously, Son has probably had his two best games that he will have all season already.

    Saints were woeful in DF. And now Utd are playing like school children.

    I’ll be bringing Son back for sure. But, I know in my heart I’ve missed Son’s two biggest hauls.

    He will still be a good pick of course and will still score well. But 20 point hauls will be few and far between going forward 🙁

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    1. Magic Zico
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Yeah maybe me too, with trimmed expectation he is still good value

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    2. ivantys
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Fulham/Brighton/Burnley/WBA are good time to get him back.

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    3. Klaren
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      20 point hauls are few and far between for any player.

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    4. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      I don't know about that. Son is a world class player. He's coming back in for me.

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  9. The Polymath
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    I can't decide who is the bigger liar, Trump or Mourinho!

    FPL Towers should not trust anything he says now when flagging a Spurs player,

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  10. Kodap
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Bottomed...

    May be a bit Kneejerk, but would you pull the trigger on these?

    Foden & Jimmy > Son & Wilson for a -4?

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    1. Niho992
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      keep Jimmy.

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      1. Kodap
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        So do Ings instead?

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    2. Warby84
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Think I am, I have exact same move with Podence/Werner so I’m likely to do this..

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    3. George Agdgdgwngo
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Very tempting

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  11. Warby84
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Exact money for Werner/Podence for Son/Wilson.. Looks like the smarter move, Kane just a bit too expensive..

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    1. Botman and Robben
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      I like that move

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  12. THFC4LIFE
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    What’s the website where you can see how many points your team would have if you made no transfers? Bet mine is minimum 50 points worse off now probably more lol

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  13. TheDragon
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    I can honestly say having a strike force of Werner & Martial has been an unmitigated disaster

    It’s the most extreme variance in points scored I’ve ever seen. It’s borderline impossible

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    1. Bruce Lee
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      everyone knows calvert bloody lewin and maupay are the better players

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      1. TheDragon
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        It’s impossible the points differential - impossible

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    2. MSTRKRFTSMN
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      How anybody had that frontline is beyond me. Martial didn’t even play in the first Gameweek. Moved from a midfield option to striker at a premium price. So you accept a 9m player on the. Each in week 1??? Bonkers

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      1. Bruce Lee
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        who said he had martial week 1?

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      2. TheDragon
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        I had Ings GW1 instead of Martial

        That’s a fraction of the variance

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      3. MSTRKRFTSMN
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Ok, Fair enough, but still, I don’t see how there’re has even been a time to bring him in so far considering united’s lack of preseason and poor play when we have seen them. As for Werner.... absolutely no track record. No evidence at all that he was worth holding.... just bad bad picks

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        1. TheDragon
          • 6 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          I’m not saying they were good picks - I’m saying the variance in terms of what they have scored compared to every single other striker is unbelievable

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          1. MSTRKRFTSMN
            • 10 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            I dint understand what you mean. The variance? What... we expect all strikers to score roughly the same points? Surely this isn’t what you mean.

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  14. Sun Jihai
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    The moral of the story is just to not make transfers until the day before
    and especially now with the international break

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    1. Begbie.
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Not always possible with the amount of kneejerkers that make transfers before a game has even finished.

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    2. Top Lad Dakes.
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Pricing out is an issue

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  15. Cookie Kid
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Contemplating wildcard now to get Son in - out of 10?

    McCarthy (Steer)
    TAA Robbo Chilwell KWP (Mitchell)
    Salah KDB Son Trossard (Bissouma)
    Jimi Maupay (Brewster)

    Still fancy Jimi over DCL, not sure if this is stupid

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  16. Willmissudimitrypayet
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Son looks like the real deal, just got to figure out if Kane is worth the 4mill extra over Wilson...

    Either

    A) Werner + Burke -> Son + Brewster

    Or

    B ) KDB + Werner -> Kane + Son + 1,1

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  17. Ronnies
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Worth a -4 ?

    3 game ban for Martial.

    Martial, Reed -->> Son, Brewster ?

    Cheers.

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    1. Bushwhacker
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      If that card isn’t rescinded I’ll be surprised

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  18. ClassiX
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Kane is out-KDB-ing KDB. May have to do KDB to Kane until the City strikers are back...

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    1. Magic Zico
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      See above ... I may do it

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    2. tsm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Just be aware Kane has a lot of internationals to play

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      1. ClassiX
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Cheers

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    3. SHOOTER MCGINN
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Spurs for the next 4 then switch to City when their fixtures improve and Aguero is back. Perfect.

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      1. GAMBIT
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Strongly considering this too

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      2. ClassiX
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Exactly this

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  19. Atimis
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Which GK would you pick on WC ?

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    1. Begbie.
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Martinez set and forget probably.

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  20. FPL Blow-In
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    What is VAR there for. It is supposed to check Red cards. 100% red for Martial it was silly but surely Lamela has to go also? What an absolute joke. The game is ruined, if VAR is not going to be used correctly just remove it.

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  21. Krafty Werks
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    GW1 Son in side as one of my favourite Premiership players - looks trash as do Spurs & blanks - 2pts.

    GW2 Son > Bruno with 1.5 i saved purposely in bank - Bruno blanks & Son score 4 goals!!

    GW3 WILDCARD as have multiple injuries and a suspension, bring Son back in, scores 1pt as gets injured and off half-time, likely out for today at very least?

    GW4 Son > Mahrez as playing ultra leeky Leeds and a pretty much gtd starter? Mahrez blanks another 2pt'er...Son vs Man Utd 2 goals & 1 assist by half-time and still 45' to play vs extremely shoddy looking 10 man Utd!!

    GW5?? Can't wait?!!

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    1. Tinydancer
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Exact same as me, even the same WC and transfers

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      1. Krafty Werks
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Painful isn't it?!! Don't wanna watch the 2nd half now, sofa is no way big enough?!!

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        1. MSTRKRFTSMN
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          As a Liverpool I’m just getting comfy!

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          1. Krafty Werks
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Haha, i'm a Gooner and hating it but then i'd hate it if shoe was on the other foot too? It's the 'Son escapade' that's really killing me?!!

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    2. FPL_trail_runner
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      He didnt look trash to be fair week 1.

      Was the most advanced option for spurs, but they agreed looked poor and had lots of midweek games

      Leeds also dont have a leaky defence, they have the data for one of the best in the league.

      Yesterday against city - zero big chances. Will get lots of clean sheets this year.

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      1. Krafty Werks
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Ok so Son looked just about 'ok' GW1 but Spurs looked trash vs Everton at home?...and plan was always that if Son blanks GW1 then it's Son > Bruno for GW2 anyway hence why i saved 1.5ITB...and yes with such a crazy run of fixtures to take into consideration Spurs options did look even worse?

        Leeds' championship data won't stand up in the Premiership by any stretch of the imagination and City should of scored more yesterday with non-existent midfield 2nd half? To be fair they have already conceded 7 in 4 games so to me that's 'pretty leaky'? Son then looks most likely to be out for today and you'd take Mahrez vs Leeds over Son vs Utd any day of the week no?

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      2. Krafty Werks
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        P.S for GW5 i'll likely bring Son back in and then keep for the season bar any certain lengthy lay-offs? Cost me enough already?!!

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  22. FPL_trail_runner
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Expected a way big fall than 20k down to 77k after that first half.

    Not as many with Kane / Son as expected in top 100k

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  23. Niho992
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    anyone else is happy because is IB to rest from FPL ?

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    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Maybe you were right, Kane is better than Messi.

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      1. Niho992
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        ofc I am. !!!!

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    2. Bruce Lee
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      just stop playing if it's that bad

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    3. Easy Cheesy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Yes. Awful week w new WC team

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  24. Kodap
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Ings & Foden > Wilson & Son?

    Yay or nay

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  25. davies
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Worth -4?

    Mahrez/Jimenez > Son/Wilson

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    1. Bank$y
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Who knows. Next week could be the opposite.

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  26. Pep Roulette
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Best Adams replacement

    A. Wilson
    B. Bamford
    C. Mitrovic
    D. Maupay

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    1. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Wilson

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    2. Willmissudimitrypayet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      D

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  27. Right In The Stanchion
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Any chance Salah doesn’t play?

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    1. Muchentuchel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Somewhat Covid rumours still going strong.

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    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Always.

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  28. Jolly Good
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    So how many people have started with son, removed him for GW2 haul, bought him back for GW3 only to remove him for his GW4 haul because he was injured?

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  29. BobB
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Can't the PL depart from UEFA rules so that "raised arms" aren't a s/o unless they are violent?

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    1. tsm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      One rule I would like to see changed is if player has to go off to get treatment the other team player involved in the tackle has to join him until ref lets them come back

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      1. BobB
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        It should not be automatic for a player to go off if he needs treatment

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  30. Warby84
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    At least Rodriguez hauled..

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