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Why impatience can be a virtue in Fantasy Football

Former FPL world champion Simon March discusses when the laissez-faire approach might not be the best one when it comes to Fantasy management.


I sometimes talk in these articles about what I see as the importance of patience as an attribute among Fantasy managers and, while I stand by those views, I’m going to use this article to confuse things a little and suggest that a lack of patience can also be a virtue among Fantasy Premier League bosses, in certain circumstances.

There’s an old Wall Street saying that goes: “Cut your losses and let your winners run.” That basically means: “Sell your losing shares and keep the ones that are making you a profit.” Applied to FPL, this principle would recommend that we sell the blanking or underperforming players and hold onto the ones who are scoring us points. This makes obvious intuitive sense; if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. However, following the ‘let your winners run’ principle too dogmatically can also backfire, and here’s why.

Our tendency as humans to not want to change something that is working is a fairly natural mindset. Even in the world of actual Premier League management, there is a commonly accepted maxim that you should ‘never change a winning team.’ Indeed, in FPL, it’s very difficult to get rid of a player who has been delivering for you. I’m almost certain that anyone who has played this game for any amount of time has, at least once, brought in a player for a set run of good fixtures and ended up keeping them long after that run had ended because they’d done well during that time. This is an example of ‘letting our winners run’.

Obviously, it’s difficult to justify getting rid of a player when they appear to be ‘in form’ but jumping off players at the right time can be as important as bringing them in at the right time in this game. To help illustrate why, consider the following.

Say you created a ‘dead team’ last season (i.e. one you make no changes to over the whole campaign) and all 11 of your starting players averaged 175 points – a very strong return per player that year (almost the equivalent of 11 x Andy Robertson). With captain points doubled, that would equal 2,100 points overall. Let’s be extra generous and chuck in another 50 points for choosing your captain extra well and another 100 points from your chips. That’s 2,250 points which, last season, would have got you approximately a 125k finish. Not bad by any means, but still about 100 points short of what would have been needed to break the aspirational top 10k.

The point here is that, in FPL, you can make really good player and captain choices and still not trouble the top 100k. To do really, really well, you’ll also need to transfer players in and out in an effective manner, to exploit their peaks and to avoid their lows.

So, short of being extremely lucky, how do you do this? Obviously none of us have a conclusive answer (yet) but we each have our own ways of determining a player’s expected return. Some of us, for example, look at fixtures and assume that players will score better in easier than harder matches. Others look at underlying stats with the belief that, if a player is delivering high numbers in a certain attribute, they are worth investing in. Alternatively, we sometimes bring a player in because they are, perhaps temporarily, playing out of position and their scores benefit as a result of that.

The key thing here is that, whatever your objective means of predicting player performance, if you believe it works, then you should, logically, stick to it both with respect to bringing players in, and in moving them out. If your system is successful in predicting that a player will score well, then it stands to reason that it should also be successful in predicting when that player will stop scoring as well. When this happens, it is time to move the player out. The temptation, as discussed, will be to ‘let your winners run’ but the consequences of this may not only be to hold on to a player whose performance subsequently dips but, also, missing out on the opportunity to bring in a player who may outperform them.

So, in summary, while patience in FPL is a virtue when the conditions are right for the player in question to do well, impatience can be equally virtuous when those conditions change to their detriment. Knowing when to make changes is only half the battle; FPL managers need also to be willing to execute those changes and that might mean transferring out previously high performers.

As Charlie Chaplin once said (probably about FPL): “This is a ruthless world, and one must be ruthless to cope with it.”


Simon is a former FPL world champion, claiming the coveted price in 2014/15. But there is more to this man than one season of good fortune. Since 2009, Simon has finished in the top 7k four times, only ending up outside the world’s top 60k once in an 11-campaign career.

737 Comments Post a Comment
  1. The Hunt
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Werner still on the Watchlist? Is that because he couldn't score in a barrel load of fannies?

  2. DRIZ ✅
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    England line up tonight:

    Pope, Trippier, Gomez, Coady, Saka, Keane, Winks, Phillips, Grealish, Ings, DCL

    1. Hy liverpool
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Is that the bench or the starting line up?

      1. DRIZ ✅
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Starting lineup haha

      2. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        The goalkeeper is a big improvement at least.

    2. davidfromkent
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Is that England or a local park team LMAO

      1. The Road to Turfdom
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        what does that make the Welsh team?

    3. The Polymath
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      How rude, the lot of you!

      1. The Polymath
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        You'll eat your words when they win 5-0

        1. davidfromkent
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          That's because Wales have the Park Team reserves out on the field lol

    4. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Have the veterans been playing like a team to be proud of? Give the lads a go.

  3. Hy liverpool
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Great article.

    1. @persecuted_by_mods
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Agreed, very good article and something very hard to do when posting for advice on a forum like this because anything other than letting winners run will be laughed out of town instantly

      • Lord.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        It makes some good points, but it is really an argument for sticking to a well considered plan rather than advocating the merits of impatience.

    2. tobsorensen
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      I'm on a WC and really need help with my team. Thanks in advance!

      Martinez
      Dallas - Chilwell - Lamptey
      Trossard - Salah - Grealish - KDB - Son
      Kane - DCL

      Forster - Brewster - KWP - Mitchell

      0.0 ITB

      1. Usmanov
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Solid

    3. Botman and Robben
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      How to improve this WC draft? Have 0.5 ITB

      Martinez
      Robbo Justin Chilwell
      Salah Sterling Son JRod
      Maupay Wilson DCL

      Steer Bissouma Lamptey Mitchell

      1. tobsorensen
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Maybe get rid of Justin? I reckon Pereira is coming back from injury soon. Would also go for Grealish/Barnes over James. Looks really solid otherwise!

        1. Botman and Robben
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Maybe Justin -> Saiss could work. Grealish does look like a gem.

          1. tobsorensen
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Justin to Saiss looks like a really good move. Not tempted by Kane?

            1. Botman and Robben
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 6 months ago

              Kane is pricey and bringing him in changes the team structure a whole lot. Could drop Son to a cheapie but cannot do both.

              1. tobsorensen
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 6 months ago

                Totally agree with that. I'm currently on both Son and Kane, but that means no Liverpool defence. Not overly confident without Robbo/TAA. Spurs' 4 next fixtures looks really good though, and going Kane means I have an oppurtunity of getting Aguero when he hits form.

                1. Botman and Robben
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 6 months ago

                  That could well work out.

      2. Right In The Stanchion
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Surely you should have Kane on a wildcard with their fixtures

    4. davidfromkent
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Fair perspective, however we only get 1 free transfer a week unless you like to take a hit, so it isn't always possible to go with all ones planned wish list of in's and out's at a moments notice. Then there are other factors to consider called sods law, Covid- 19, injuries, suspensions, unexpected player absences not foretold and it goes on, all the best laid plans of mice and men etc etc etc.

    5. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Wouldn’t be surprised if city light it up after the intl break!

      1. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Vardy has been in decent form to be fair other than that 1 blip.

    6. SomeoneKnows
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Here here! Cast your votes please! 🙂 The reasoning behind your decisions will also be appreciated

      1) KWP vs Konsa
      2) Castagne vs Chilwell
      3) Wilson vs Maupay

      1. The Road to Turfdom
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        A (attacking threat, plus I think Villa form won't last)
        B (similar attacking threat but back to Chelsea to hit form)
        B (Brighton look a bit better than Newcastle, better immediate fixtures)

      2. tobsorensen
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        KWP (mostly attacking threat)
        Chilwell (better team both defensively and offensively and on set pieces)
        Maupay (better team offensively)

    7. Champ
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Yeah good article. Thanks Simon. I try but don't always succeed. Dumped Grealish and Pukki at the right time last season but then hung onto DCL after the restart blindly and it cost me badly...

    8. abhirup780
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Which 4.0 def to keep in WC?
      Mitchell or Fergusson?

      1. seanie3
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        I would keep Mitchell, should get a few more games, maybe even longer in the team if PVA is moved further up

      2. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Mitchell. Ferguson could be out for a while.

    9. matiakez
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Is Ziyech worth a gamble on WC or still too soon?

      1. Right In The Stanchion
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Yeah get him in now and maybe he’ll start a match in a month or so.

        Good thinking batman.

        1. matiakez
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Didn't know when he was back, sorry for asking!!

      2. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        What's the rush?

      3. tobsorensen
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Would much rather punt on Pulisic

      4. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Don't know the status but if confirmed fit for GW5, why not!

    10. NATSTER
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      A few options to get Son, but need to drop one of Zaha or Foden (I have KDB)
      Which one do you feel best?

      A: Foden + R.James -> Son + 4.0 DF (I also have Mitchell)

      B: Zaha + R.James -> Son + 4.5 DF (between Dallas / Ayling / KWP)

      C: Foden or Zaha + Jimenez -> Son + Maupay or Antonio

      1. abhirup780
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        C

      2. Champ
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        B

      3. zman575
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        none. why waste trasnsfers when the players youre getting rid of already good.

      4. No Salah
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        C. Son + Maupay

      5. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        B looks like the best option to me

      6. NATSTER
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Thank you for comments. B and C got two votes each and I'm now leaning a bit to B as it will give me another playing Defender. If I go B, I will have to keep hoping with Jimenez for one more week.

    11. abhirup780
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Least essential among
      Salah
      DCL
      Son
      J Rod
      KDB
      Kane
      ?

      1. Right In The Stanchion
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        JRod
        KDB

      2. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        DCL

      3. Champ
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Jrod

        1. seanie3
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Jrod has stared out of the blocks and although he won't score two every game he will certainly score enough goals and assists over the season

      4. tobsorensen
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        J Rod

      5. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Hamez

      6. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        JRod

    12. fusen
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      This article made me think of the last time I transferred out a player that had just hauled and I couldn't remember when. (I have just gotten rid of sterling on a wildcard but that isn't quite the same).

      I think I focus getting rid of poor performing players that unless I need the money I wouldn't really consider getting rid of a performing player.

      Considering how important form seems to be for footballers it feels a massive gamble

    13. seanie3
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      which is best for my WC

      1) KDB & Wilson
      2) Grealish & Kane

      1. Champ
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        3

      2. Champ
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        2 sorry. Fat fingers

        1. seanie3
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          thanks

      3. Corgz Dark side of the Loon
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        2

        1. seanie3
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          thanks

    14. Corgz Dark side of the Loon
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Guys, Anyone got any thoughts on what Pep will do for GW5 without a striker and clearly struggling up front for an alternative plan ??

      1. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Scoring hasn't been a massive problem. It's their defence.

        1. Corgz Dark side of the Loon
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          I agree about defence but has more than enough options.....but only 2 shots on target v Leeds tells you where the problem lies....

      2. Zimo
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        I think aguero is back. Jesus will be back shortly as well

        1. Corgz Dark side of the Loon
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          I though Aguero only back in training but not ready to start ??

    15. badpicks
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      How can I improve my WC draft? 0.5 in the bank

      Martinez McCarthy
      Lamptey Mitchell Justin Walkers-Peters Saiss
      Grealish Salah Sterling Son Rodriguez
      Bamford Wilson DCL

      1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Downgrade one keeper to fodder
        upgrade Justin to Regulion/Semedo/Chilwell/Castagne

    16. Champ
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Brewster minutes predictions anyone?

      1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Don't know much about Shu but I think he should start considering their lack of goals and crap strikers

        1. Champ
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Yup. Can't get much worse.

        2. Epic Fail
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Yeah given their current predicament you'd think he'd go straight in.

      2. Baines on Toast...
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        76. Two goals.

    17. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      It's early but am I benching the right players here?

      Martinez
      Saiss James Ayling
      Salah KDB Son Grealish Foden
      Jimenez DCL

      (Steer Brewster Justin Digne)

      Will try to get rid of this benching headaches asap.

      1. Champ
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        If I had Digne I would play him at home in the Derby tbh. Good luck either way

        1. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Been considering it. GL to you too!

    18. Baines on Toast...
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Love Simon’s posts

    19. FPL ElasticO
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Is it too risky to do this transfer given the fixtures?? On a WC..... Need some opinion.

      Jimenez >>> Maupay/ Antonio/ Watkins

      1. Vazza
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Potentially yes

        Who are your others strikers?

        1. FPL ElasticO
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          DCL & 4.5

          1. Vazza
            • 3 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Similar situation to mine. I’m upgrading Brewster to Watkins and keeping Jimenez

            1. Vazza
              • 3 Years
              3 years, 6 months ago

              Can you respond to my posts below please

    20. FPL ElasticO
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Is it worth dropping any LIV defence, given they let in 7 goals last time??
      What do you guys think???

      1. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        The defenders are likely to get you attacking returns at least.

      2. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Wouldn't mind a double up with Trent and Robbo tbh

      3. TLF
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        I'm still considering the double up although Alisson out is unsettling for sure.

      4. Eat my goal!
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Last time Allison was out was painful

    21. Vazza
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Thoughts on Watkins as an FPL asset?

    22. Vazza
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Best defender up to 4.4m -

      A. Jamal Lewis (new)
      B. Liam Cooper (lee)
      C. Someone else

      1. Pep's Money Laundry
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        B

      2. Lucky Z
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Balbuena in 3 weeks

      3. choco27
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Balbuena

      4. Hotdogs for Tea
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        B more nailed, but either ok

    23. Pep bites Kun
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      I'm sorry, but this article sounds like a Trump speech; I can flip & flop; there is no reason or rhyme; I started out with a mandate, maybe not; argued for and against the rest and then came back to something approximating my initial words, but with semantics, so I couldn't be accused of sitting on the fence or being panned for standing for one thing or another. Next question please ... and stay tuned because we may have a different opinion next week that you can't pin us to 🙂

      1. @persecuted_by_mods
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Do you have a better article that makes more sense? 😉

          1. Pep bites Kun
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Not really a valid point, when I'm replying to a published article on a public forum. Naturally, obviously, I wasn't asked for prior counter-arguments when it was being drafted, but I'm presuming it's ok to respond with my own thoughts on a public forum?

            In terms of making more sense of this season - there is no sense to be made. It's football. There have been many predictions made on this season from PL/FPL pro-pundits, most of them wrong up till now. That is the beauty of football. Everyone can be an expert, everyone can be right or wrong up to a certain point. It's very levelling.

            I like competitive sport. My issue with this article is that it adds no value.

            1. @persecuted_by_mods
                3 years, 6 months ago

                Was just a joke.

                If you want my true response your post is a total nonsense because it's a very easy article to follow and at no point did it claim to have *THE* answer, if you feel it offers no value that's fine but "Trump speech" is hyperbole at best, it's not hard to follow what is being discussed

                1. Pep bites Kun
                  • 7 Years
                  3 years, 6 months ago

                  My post was written to sound nonsensical, unlike the article itself, which was meant to be and should have been an informative and intuitive piece of writing from a world-class player.

                  I accept your comment was a joke, so apologies if I was blunt.

                  My opinion remains; this article is sub-standard at best.
                  *sub-clause: based on my opinion alone 🙂

          2. Eat my goal!
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Basically everyone who stood firm to a plan that failed is publicly having to retract and explain why they need to change that plan! Adapting quickly to the circumstances is the only plan

            1. Pep bites Kun
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 6 months ago

              I agree with changing the plan if it's not working(it's more a question of when).

              What I really don't understand is 'everyone who stood firm to a plan that failed is publicly having to retract and explain why they need to change that plan'

              Publicly - really?. It's not like this is real-world - it's fantasy

          3. Epic Fail
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Why are you sorry?

            1. Pep bites Kun
              • 7 Years
              3 years, 6 months ago

              It's my name

          4. Zalk
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            I liked it, it was refreshing. I take it as a philosophical break in an otherwise statistical and calculating environment.

        • MaRooney 5
          • 11 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          What to do with this mess:

          McCarthy, Steer
          Aylin, Bellerin, Mitchell, TAA, Vinagre
          J Rod, KDB, Mahrez, Salah, Trossard
          Adams, Timo, Brewster?

          1FT, 0.5m ITB

          Thanks in advance!

          1. Lucky Z
            • 6 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Mahrez => Son

            1. MaRooney 5
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 6 months ago

              0.1m short, need a hit

              1. Lucky Z
                • 6 Years
                3 years, 6 months ago

                Mahrez Timo to Grealish Kane probably then

        • Lucky Z
          • 6 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Martinez
          TAA • Chilwell • Lamptey
          Salah • Son • Pulisic • JRod
          Kane • DCL • Maupay

          Steer • KWP • Stephens • Mitchell

          Thoughts on this WC team?

          1. MaRooney 5
            • 11 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            looks good

          2. Wonderful Wizard Hazard
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Lamptey injured?

        • Epic Fail
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Bloody man-buns starting to infect the England team now. They're gonna be the laughing stock of world football. Even more than they normally are I mean.

        • La vida FPL
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          On wildcard which would you go without (something’s got to give):

          A) double spurs attack (Son + Kane)
          B) city premium mid (KDB/Sterling)
          C) Liverpool premium def (Robertson/TAA)

          1. Wonderful Wizard Hazard
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            B. I think you can do C with either, but for now I'm going double Spurs and will bring City in later.

        • circusmonkey
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Question for auction league transfer window: bear in mind these are to some extent dregs.

          Who do you rate as having a chance of reasonable game time, clean sheets, assists, goals (compared with each other, not the better players that went in the auction).

          FB: Telles
          CB: Dias
          MF: Fornals, Trezeguet, Robinson, Townsend, Djenpo
          ST: Cavani

          Thank you.