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Why impatience can be a virtue in Fantasy Football

Former FPL world champion Simon March discusses when the laissez-faire approach might not be the best one when it comes to Fantasy management.


I sometimes talk in these articles about what I see as the importance of patience as an attribute among Fantasy managers and, while I stand by those views, I’m going to use this article to confuse things a little and suggest that a lack of patience can also be a virtue among Fantasy Premier League bosses, in certain circumstances.

There’s an old Wall Street saying that goes: “Cut your losses and let your winners run.” That basically means: “Sell your losing shares and keep the ones that are making you a profit.” Applied to FPL, this principle would recommend that we sell the blanking or underperforming players and hold onto the ones who are scoring us points. This makes obvious intuitive sense; if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. However, following the ‘let your winners run’ principle too dogmatically can also backfire, and here’s why.

Our tendency as humans to not want to change something that is working is a fairly natural mindset. Even in the world of actual Premier League management, there is a commonly accepted maxim that you should ‘never change a winning team.’ Indeed, in FPL, it’s very difficult to get rid of a player who has been delivering for you. I’m almost certain that anyone who has played this game for any amount of time has, at least once, brought in a player for a set run of good fixtures and ended up keeping them long after that run had ended because they’d done well during that time. This is an example of ‘letting our winners run’.

Obviously, it’s difficult to justify getting rid of a player when they appear to be ‘in form’ but jumping off players at the right time can be as important as bringing them in at the right time in this game. To help illustrate why, consider the following.

Say you created a ‘dead team’ last season (i.e. one you make no changes to over the whole campaign) and all 11 of your starting players averaged 175 points – a very strong return per player that year (almost the equivalent of 11 x Andy Robertson). With captain points doubled, that would equal 2,100 points overall. Let’s be extra generous and chuck in another 50 points for choosing your captain extra well and another 100 points from your chips. That’s 2,250 points which, last season, would have got you approximately a 125k finish. Not bad by any means, but still about 100 points short of what would have been needed to break the aspirational top 10k.

The point here is that, in FPL, you can make really good player and captain choices and still not trouble the top 100k. To do really, really well, you’ll also need to transfer players in and out in an effective manner, to exploit their peaks and to avoid their lows.

So, short of being extremely lucky, how do you do this? Obviously none of us have a conclusive answer (yet) but we each have our own ways of determining a player’s expected return. Some of us, for example, look at fixtures and assume that players will score better in easier than harder matches. Others look at underlying stats with the belief that, if a player is delivering high numbers in a certain attribute, they are worth investing in. Alternatively, we sometimes bring a player in because they are, perhaps temporarily, playing out of position and their scores benefit as a result of that.

The key thing here is that, whatever your objective means of predicting player performance, if you believe it works, then you should, logically, stick to it both with respect to bringing players in, and in moving them out. If your system is successful in predicting that a player will score well, then it stands to reason that it should also be successful in predicting when that player will stop scoring as well. When this happens, it is time to move the player out. The temptation, as discussed, will be to ‘let your winners run’ but the consequences of this may not only be to hold on to a player whose performance subsequently dips but, also, missing out on the opportunity to bring in a player who may outperform them.

So, in summary, while patience in FPL is a virtue when the conditions are right for the player in question to do well, impatience can be equally virtuous when those conditions change to their detriment. Knowing when to make changes is only half the battle; FPL managers need also to be willing to execute those changes and that might mean transferring out previously high performers.

As Charlie Chaplin once said (probably about FPL): “This is a ruthless world, and one must be ruthless to cope with it.”


Simon is a former FPL world champion, claiming the coveted price in 2014/15. But there is more to this man than one season of good fortune. Since 2009, Simon has finished in the top 7k four times, only ending up outside the world’s top 60k once in an 11-campaign career.

737 Comments Post a Comment
  1. leo_messi
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    How many of you sold Son twice (before gw2 and gw4 of course) and still have a pretty good season??

    1. St Pauli Walnuts
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Done the first bit (and gone back for thirds!) ... the other bit, not so much.

  2. Dynamic Duos
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    That England team is so bad

    1. Joey Tribbiani
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      why so negative

    2. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Better than most teams.

    3. Right In The Stanchion
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      It’s a second team v a second team in an empty stadium.

      Some great prospects in that England team and they’ll easily win.

    4. Hulk Smash
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      It's bizarre to set up with 5 at the back and 2 defensive midfielders against Wales. Grealish looks quality though.

  3. TorresMagic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    5th overall is pretty good regarding transfers in although GW4 was a bit tricky.

    https://fantasy.premierleague.com/entry/4586616/history

      1. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Of course, DCL & Grealish were transfers in.

        1. Epic Fail
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          What's the first sign of maadness?

          1. Better off with a pin and a…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Killing your parents with a spoon?

  4. Make United Great Again
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Grealish to DCL

    GOAL

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      GOAT*

  5. Del Griffith
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    DCL Goal Machine, lovely goal

  6. Dynamic Duos
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Some ball that

    1. Make United Great Again
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Grealish is class

  7. Corgz Dark side of the Loon
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    That's it......dont care both Grealish and DCL in this week......cant watch football not having these two anymore

  8. Hybrid.power
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    I don't know where to post this but I have to give out to someone. The camera direction in the Ireland match is the worst I've ever seen

    1. Epic Fail
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      They don't expect anyone to be watching.

      1. Hybrid.power
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        I don't know why I'm watching tbh!

    2. Free Hat
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      The Australian one is even worse. Everything seems to be upside down.

  9. RAFA THE GAFFA
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    D(C)L next GW?

    1. Hulk Smash
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      I can't see it being a bore draw. Both Salah and DCL underestimated as captain options in GW 5

  10. Super John McGinn-
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 6 months ago

    Super Jacky Grealishhhh

    1. @persecuted_by_mods
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Pure quality, incredibly underrated

    2. ChickenTikkaMoSalah
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Should I just do Werner—> DCL now to avoid more price changes?

      1. Epic Fail
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Before the match even finishes?

    3. The Final Boss
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Why grealish thigh is strapped???

      1. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Fashion statement.

      2. avfc82
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Slight hamstring issue last week in the run-up to the Liverpool game.

    4. Botman and Robben
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Grealish and DCL must haves?

      1. Leonard hatred
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        looking decent, aren't they.

    5. abhirup780
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Grealish injury?

      1. Dynamic Duos
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        What?

      2. Leonard hatred
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        couldn't work out if his thigh strap had fallen down and got wrapped around his boot, or if he was clutching his ankle.

      3. Leonard hatred
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        commentery says he saw the physio, but is still on pitch.

      4. Camzy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        He's back on and looks fine.

    6. LewanGOALski
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Who should be my 4th MID here:

      Zaha or Grealish?

      Salah - Son - J.Rodriguez - ___ - Soucek
      Kane - DCL - Maupay

      1. The Road to Turfdom
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        KDB

        1. The Road to Turfdom
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Grealish of those 2 sorry misread (would try get KDB too though)

          1. LewanGOALski
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Going Kane for now instead of KDB, but yeah it’d be ideal to hace them all at once 😉

      2. amonito
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Did you consider 3-5-2

        Salah - Son - JRod - Zaha - Grealish
        Kane - DCL - Brewster

        It comes to choose which one to exclude between Zaha, Grealish and Maupay.

    7. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Dcl (c) vs Liverpool

      1. Hulk Smash
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        Should bag 5 at least

        1. Weasel Boy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          6 or 7

    8. Rash
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Would you make any changes to this wildcard team?

      Martinez steer
      Castagne chilwell digne lamptey mitchel
      Salah kdb son Rodriguez grealish
      Dcl wilson brewster

      Have toyed with idea of having kwp and pulisic in place of digne and grealish

      1. Eat my goal!
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        I would drop digne for regs

        1. OLB
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Thought he got injured yesterday in international.

      2. OLB
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        How much ITB left? Wilson the only iffy pick - all rest good - if same money Maupay better fixtures.

    9. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 6 months ago

      Coady is in the box?! Crazy stuff.

      That man's statistics from last season are some of the most amazing I've ever seen.

      3420 minutes - all 38 games. 0 goal attempts. 2 touches in the final third.

      1. @persecuted_by_mods
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Haha he's not allergic to the box, it's a tactic from Wolves don't be so surprised

      2. Dynamic Duos
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        I want Grealish and Son asap

      3. Az
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 6 months ago

        FPL BlackBox goes live in 10 for anyone interested 🙂

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9et3cGq1gV8

        1. @persecuted_by_mods
            3 years, 6 months ago

            Clashes with the game but will defo watch tomorrow

        2. Hulk Smash
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 6 months ago

          Grealish has to start every England game for me. He offers you something no other England player can and if he can create chances with the team Villa had last season, imagine how many chances he could create with capable goalscorers in front of him.

          1. @persecuted_by_mods
              3 years, 6 months ago

              100%, it's like we've actually got a player of quality like foreign teams have in terms of comfort on the ball, dribbling, vision, ball control, to me I don't see an English player more naturally talented than him right now (other than Trent with his crossing)

              1. Hulk Smash
                • 8 Years
                3 years, 6 months ago

                Exactly. He's so good at just holding the ball until someone makes a run, then finding them. Funny you mention that he's like a foreign player because that particular skill is something they teach midfielders in Spain.

            • Epic Fail
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              3 years, 6 months ago

              He won't though. He must have slept with Southgate's missus or something.

              1. @persecuted_by_mods
                  3 years, 6 months ago

                  Yeah that's a very weird, has an irrational hate

                • Hulk Smash
                  • 8 Years
                  3 years, 6 months ago

                  Why do you think? Because he plays for a smaller club?

                  1. Epic Fail
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    3 years, 6 months ago

                    It seems to be personal against Grealish for some reason. God knows why.

                    Maybe he's just trying to make a point that he picks the team, because everyone has been calling for Grealish to get picked for ages.

                    1. Hulk Smash
                      • 8 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      It's the first I've heard of it. I don't watch many England games these days as they usually bore me to tears.

                      Fingers crossed he plays so well he's undroppable. Aside from him we look really weak in the middle of the park.

              2. The Big Fella
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 6 months ago

                Don't worry - Southgate will be back to picking his team based on size of the team they play for and reputation of the player over form/quality soon enough and Grealish will be back on the bench.

            • Slitherene
              • 6 Years
              3 years, 6 months ago

              A) Taylor (wba)
              B) Coady (lee)
              C) Justin (AVL)

              Select ONE to bench?

              1. @persecuted_by_mods
                  3 years, 6 months ago

                  Taylor or coady, probably coady for me

                • LewanGOALski
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 6 months ago

                  B

              2. sirmorbach
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 6 months ago

                Lads, help me out, please:

                Ryan / Walton
                TAA / Lamptey / KWP / Dallas / Mitchell
                Salah / KDB / Son / James Rodríguez / Harrison
                Jiménez / DCL / Brewster

                Good to go or WC needed? (Took hits already)

                1. @persecuted_by_mods
                    3 years, 6 months ago

                    Why would you wildcard that?

                    1. Epic Fail
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 13 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      And how many hits?

                      1. @persecuted_by_mods
                          3 years, 6 months ago

                          True if that's a minus 24 then i'd hit the wc

                    2. Hulk Smash
                      • 8 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      Looks like a lot of people's WC teams

                  • Ci Siamo
                    • 8 Years
                    3 years, 6 months ago

                    Kane didn't feature at all tonight, any news regarding this or just rested?

                    1. Better off with a pin and a…
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 11 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      Southgate said he'd be rested tonight. Expect him to feature in the competitive games.

                    2. Hulk Smash
                      • 8 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      Commentator heavily implied he's just rested. He's watching from the stand.

                    3. Fred54
                      • 9 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      This is a friendly, bound to feature in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

                    4. Steve The Spud
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 4 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      Dropped for dcl

                  • Steve The Spud
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 4 Years
                    3 years, 6 months ago

                    Not sure what was more likely at the start of the year a global pandemic or dcl becoming the best striker in Europe

                    1. Fred54
                      • 9 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      Sometimes when I feel a bit down I think of all the people that still have Werner over DCL. It raises a smile.

                      1. @persecuted_by_mods
                          3 years, 6 months ago

                          That was me last year ignoring ings expecting him to get injured the whole season

                    2. Brosstan
                      • 9 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      Mitroshit missing some absolute sitters for Serbia tonight.

                      1. Epic Fail
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        3 years, 6 months ago

                        I might watch A Serbian Film later.

                        1. Hulk Smash
                          • 8 Years
                          3 years, 6 months ago

                          I didn't know you were a man of culture

                        2. Brosstan
                          • 9 Years
                          3 years, 6 months ago

                          Absolute schlock movie...

                    3. Dynamic
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 12 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      Would you rather have Wilson or Maupay on wildcard?

                    4. Weasel Boy
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 11 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      Coady essential

                    5. Hulk Smash
                      • 8 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      Coady wow

                    6. abhirup780
                      • 9 Years
                      3 years, 6 months ago

                      LOL Coady