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Fit-again Vardy only a substitute as injured Podence and Boly miss out

Jamie Vardy (£10.0m) makes his return from hernia surgery this afternoon but the Leicester City striker is only among the substitutes for the Foxes’ clash with Wolverhampton Wanderers.

Kick-off at Molineux is at 14:00 GMT.

Brendan Rodgers again trusts Kelechi Iheanacho (£5.6m) to lead the line in the West Midlands and has indeed named an unchanged side from the one that defeated Fulham in midweek.

As for Wolves, Nuno Espirito Santo hinted at injury problems in Friday’s press conference and has made a pair of enforced alterations to his starting XI.

Willy Boly (£5.4m) and Daniel Podence (£5.3m) miss out with hamstring and adductor problems respectively and are replaced by Jonny (£5.4m) and Leander Dendoncker (£4.6m).

This will be Jonny’s first appearance since suffering an injury in August and his return at left-back, coupled with Boly’s absence, means that Max Kilman (£4.0m) moves over to his more favoured centre-half position.

Romain Saiss (£4.9m) is also back from injury but is only among the substitutes.

FPL’s most-popular defender starts in this fixture: James Justin (£5.2m) features in almost 30% of Fantasy squads, with his ownership figure further swelled by a 15-point haul in Gameweek 22.

Both he and James Maddison (£7.4m) were transferred in by over 200,000 FPL managers ahead of Saturday’s deadline.

Justin also has the highest effective ownership among defenders in the top 10,000 Fantasy squads.


Wolves XI: Patricio, Semedo, Kilman, Coady, Jonny, Neves, Moutinho, Dendoncker, Neto, Willian José, Traoré.

Leicester City XI: Schmeichel, Justin, Soyuncu, Evans, Pereira, Choudhury, Perez, Maddison, Tielemans, Barnes, Iheanacho.

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  1. JONALDINHO
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Salah, Cancelo, Gundo. You know the drill. Knowing my luck 2-1 City with Sterling and Mane scoring.

  2. Jafooli
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    I’m selling Justin next week, been a good run, but totally unsustainable....

    1. Mr. O'Connell
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Castagne is back soon

      1. Utopsis
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        On his current form why would castange displace him?

        1. Mr. O'Connell
          • 11 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Tongue in cheek comment. Justin will play every minute this season.

          1. Utopsis
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 1 month ago

            Gotcha 🙂

    2. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      I thought that in 16 when I sold him. He’s on steroids now.

    3. The Invincibles
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Is this a quote from someone in GW8?

  3. TorresMagic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    LMS safety score currently 27 with 3 games left.

    1. Don Kloppeone
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Wow! How am I still in this?! 29pts

      Cancelo will end it for me probably

    2. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      On 21 points with Cancelo Gundogan Salah Bamford Raphinha Dallas to go-think may be difficult to qualify

  4. FPL Daniel
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Just go away Justin. Singlehandedly ruining my season 🙁

    1. Jafooli
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Away to Aston Villa in two weeks time...

    2. CheesyZoot
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Yeh legitimately the most annoying asset not to own

      1. The Invincibles
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Bring him in for Coufal then. You can’t have it all.

      2. FPLtfs
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Or to bench.

  5. Salah’s Sonnet
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Just wondering, why are people WC’ing in like GW 27 and GW30 etc?

    Sure GW 25 is the best possible case for doing so?

    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      So no reason then

    2. George Agdgdgwngo
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Fixture swing in 30. Plus get set up for the blank gw33

      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        By then it will be too late

    3. Gandalf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      For me I just can't imagine too many changes that would make on a gw25 wildcard than by just doing free transfers, so expecting a time when can use it better later

      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Afraid it’ll be too late to use by then for me to have any sort of good impact

    4. Sonaldo Nazario
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Most people already have been preparing for GW 26 since 1-2 weeks ago. I would rather use my wildcard to prepare for blank game weeks in 29 & 33 as well as fixture swing in 30.

  6. Egg noodle
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Liverpool to win this 1-0

    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      1-1 with 2 OGs just to ruin everyone’s day

    2. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      It will be 3-3

  7. HuttonDressedasLahm
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Not owned Justin this season

    Probably explains my rank 😆

    1. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Is it rank?

  8. The Invincibles
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Wait until Castagne comes back and Justin gets moved to left mid to make non-owners really mad.

    In all seriousness, I can’t see him being dropped, he’s been one on Leicester’s better players this season.

  9. Baines on Toast...
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    I increasingly think effective ownership is literally the only thing that matters in this game. Preventing points against you first and foremost.

    You might think you have some insights, analysis or hunches that nobody else does, but at the end of the day, the market is always right. It's like investing in a tracker fund. Let everyone else do the work for you, if you get a few lucky breaks with captaincy you'll be top 1K, and that's all there is to it.

    1. BobbyDoesNotLook
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Pretty much correct. Nowadays ot requires hell a lot more luck since there are more players playing like tracker funds = more goodish players.

      1. Baines on Toast...
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        It's really quite sad, because whereas a few years ago there were genuine gains to be made by spending time on analysis and so on, now it really isn't the case. It's less fun.

        It also means that most of the Patreon/Podcast crowd are absolutely full of it when they preach anything other than a simple, pragmatic approach. They will eventually regress to the mean (like LR this season) if they pursue this; others, like Fabio, are much simpler and steadier.

    2. Nanoelektronicar
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      I wouldn't say the EO shouldn't be part of decision making process, but it's not be all end all imo.

      1. TheDragon
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        The point he is making is that the highest owned players are the players who will score the most points / have highest expected points

        So going against it won’t work in the long run

    3. Forgetmeknot
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      I agree with your investment comparison to an extent, but to carry on the analogy ‘past performance doesn’t guarantee future results’.

      If your tracked nothing but large managed offices at the moment, you’d likely change them for something else...

      1. Forgetmeknot
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        If your tracker*

      2. Baines on Toast...
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Oh yes absolutely. I think the crowd are much more flexible now though. Good example is Antonio - ownership hugely spiked before any returns. Same with DCL recently.

        1. Flair
          • 3 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          This has been a big factor too, the general playerbase has shown itself to be much better as time went on. Antonio the best example.

          1. Baines on Toast...
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 1 month ago

            I guess it is - like much of the world, but in a rather niche area - down to democratisation of information, no more ivory towers and so on.

            It's why I never use the word 'casual' because I think it's a misnomer or, if anything, a compliment. If we call someone a casual we're probably admitting they get the same results for less effort.

            1. Baines on Toast...
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              3 years, 1 month ago

              Of course, part of this is 'I've been using FFS for 10 years and now everyone else has the same quality of information I did back then' 😉

              Maybe it's time to get into woodworking or something...

              1. Forgetmeknot
                • 5 Years
                3 years, 1 month ago

                I like your thinking. a big part of it is probability playing out. With 7-8 million players that is our biggest opponent I think - the time spent looking at stats will beat most, but sheer force of numbers and means not all.

                1. Baines on Toast...
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  3 years, 1 month ago

                  Yes fair point, our benchmarks for success here (top 10K, top 1K, previous finishes from years ago) are harder to obtain than ever before.

                  1. Forgetmeknot
                    • 5 Years
                    3 years, 1 month ago

                    Yep I think that’s it, the edges the insight and numbers give us are still there, but just lessened and we should factor that into what is a good season. I think 10k is now great and top 100k is decent (each year rather than a one off)

    4. TheDragon
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Exactly and the spoon feeding on here / Twitter means that anyone with half a brain who spends 10 mins a week can get a template team

      Honestly I think you could spend 20 mins on FPL a week, look on here / Twitter for template, captain the poll leader and you’d easily finish top 100k (if not a lot higher)

      I sometimes wonder why we bother spending the time

      1. Baines on Toast...
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        At the end of the day, I still enjoy it, but I think it's at the point where I have to accept that any time spent looking at stats is done purely for interest rather than any expectation of improved returns.

    5. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Yes. The big differentiator is (c). If you got the template and pick the (c) correctly every GW, you will probably win FPL.

      38 correct (c) choices.....

    6. Utopsis
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Love a tracker fund, me

    7. Ramboros
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      The price change system is just fundamentally broken for the amount of information sharing that occurs. When a bandwagon decides to move from player A to player B, there's no punishment for owning player A the previous week, yet you get the reward for moving in player B.

      1. Baines on Toast...
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        I do wonder whether eventually it becomes a problem they have to solve. But for now, the game has thrived in recent years, so I see no change for the forseeable.

        1. Baines on Toast...
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Maybe, eventually, you get a points boost for less owned players? Or some other sort of incentive.

    8. WE GO FOR IT
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Yes Ownership matters, but at the end of the day you need players who gets most points. The reason why the players have ownership is because they've done well and are thus, more likely to get more points in the future GWs. The sad thing for us is our "differentials" aren't doing better than those "template" players more often than now.

      For example, Shaw/Justin/Mee (to get in) was a decision many managers have to make this GW. I got in Mee. He got 1. Shaw got 3. The manager who wen't for these were hoping that they would score more over Justin over the next few GWs. But Justin's 9 pointer has given all the managers who already had him a decent lead.

  10. BobbyDoesNotLook
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    At rank 200k I have red arrow even though I am above top10k and overall avg 😀

    1. Magic Zico
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Yep similar

    2. WE GO FOR IT
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Should beat the average in an around you. But I'm in the same boat as you. I'm exactly at the 10k average but it's a red.A Average in the 200-300k and 100-200k tier is 43.

      1. Magic Zico
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Ahh that explains!

    3. Mr. O'Connell
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      This season is an absolute slog

  11. g40steve
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Foden playing the KDB false 9 role?

    1. Greek Shamrocks
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Maybe GUNDO?

    2. Utopsis
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Looks like it - he's 1st on my bench as well

      1. g40steve
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Me too 🙁

        1. Utopsis
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          We've been punished mate 🙁

    3. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Sterling

      Foden and Mahrez out wide.

      4-3-3 dynamic line up.

      Gundogan Rodri Silva.

      Back 4 defending.

      Lob sided formation with Cancelo stepping in to space with the ball.

  12. KINGS
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Who is the better pick for next DGW?

    A) Gundo
    B) Hames
    C) McNeill
    D) Lookman

    1. WE GO FOR IT
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Gundo

    2. The Invincibles
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Gundo or Pope for me.

  13. Nightcrawler
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Absolutely NOWHERE to hide for Justin non owners

    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Who’s wanting to hide? Bore off

      1. Utopsis
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        A few on here spew the same dross every week - just take note and don't fall for their nonsense

        1. Salah’s Sonnet
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Indeed, he’s known for this anyway

    2. Gandalf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      There should be a 1 day ban for childish comments like this

      1. Utopsis
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Keyboard warriors

    3. Ozzy smith
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Absolutely no surprise to see you don’t have a linked team...

  14. Eleven Hag
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Ben Crellin fixture predictions show that Everton will likely have a DGW in 26 and another DGW in 25/27/28.

    Would you still look to sell them after the double, to accommodate the likes of Son, Kane or Vardy?

    1. WE GO FOR IT
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      If they win in the cup, they might have 2 over the 4 GWs. Otherwise, it might be one.

      Spurs have a fixture in hand as well. So, might do for Kane/Son for sure. TC candidates in GW26 if you are not BBing.

      1. Eleven Hag
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Two in addition to the 24?

        1. WE GO FOR IT
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Yeah they have the Villa game to be rearranged as well, right? So, if they reach the FA Cup QF. They'll have 2 games which could go in either of those 4 GWs. One would probably be in GW26 and one maybe in 27/28. 25 as wll maybe, but Ben says it's unlikely that any game gets added to that GW.

          1. Eleven Hag
            • 6 Years
            3 years, 1 month ago

            Thanks mate, Hoping for them to win the cup game so don't have to sell Digne and DCL.

            1. WE GO FOR IT
              • 8 Years
              3 years, 1 month ago

              Yeah, if they have 2, I might hold on to DCL as well. I don't have Digne and not particularly intrested as CSs are highly unlikely. Looking to bring James in next GW. Will decide on him on how Everton look in the next 3 games.

              1. Eleven Hag
                • 6 Years
                3 years, 1 month ago

                Good luck mate

  15. Coaly
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Would you move on Maddison (LIV) or Rashford (wba) for Gundo captain next week?

    1. The Invincibles
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      I think Maddison. Man U have some decent fixtures coming up.

  16. Amey
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    I hate James Justin !!

    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      That plus the game being rigged, absolute joke

      1. Amey
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        I kept waiting for Periera to be back. I blame BR fir misinformation. Wouldn't have ignored him had we knew RP was out till January 🙁

    2. diesel001
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Love that guy. Not flashy, stays fit, nailed, a good defender, cheap, plus plays for a team that actually keeps CS.

      1. Amey
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        He was a bargain. 4.5m for a top 4 team !
        Shame I ignored him

    3. Sim Simma
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      I've had him since GW1, I adore and respect him

      1. Muchentuchel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Same here. Never got rid. He's brilliant.

      2. Amey
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Congratulations

    4. Lubic87
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      I sold him weeks ago when Leicesters fixtures supposedly got worse, and he was supposedly due to lose his place.

      Now he just destroys my rank every week along with Martinez. Hated them both ever since!

    5. Old Man
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Just buy him Amey - it will solve everything. (I haven't got him either. Yet.)

      1. Amey
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Yup. I kept waiting for Recardo ...
        I might get him around DGW though. Castagne looks not too good for PL yet.

  17. Muscout
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    One of my biggest FPL regrets is buying Vinagre at the beginning of the season instead on Justin...

    1. Egg noodle
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Vinagre was considered to be the messiah around these parts back then, so I don't blame you

    2. Muscout
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Of*

  18. DAZZ
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Would you rather Gundogan or Grealish for the next 3/4 gameweeks?

    1. The Invincibles
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Gundo, but not by much.

  19. BobbyV
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Wait, you guys don’t have Justin?

    1. Magic Zico
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Like this 😆

    2. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Yawn

    3. The Train Driver
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      These kind of posts are getting really annoying. Ffs used to be a good site to chat and compare teams and stats, now it's just full of annoying lol @ kids with a vocabulary of a 5 year old...

      1. BobbyV
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        It’s only a game

    4. Utopsis
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Wait, you went with Antonio (C)?

      1. BobbyV
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Punt gone bad yeah lol

    5. SINGH
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      took him out in GW5 when people on here said he will be replaced by Perreira

    6. Greek Shamrocks
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Exactly! He had a rough patch for 3-4 GWs. Great the rest of the season.

    7. g40steve
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      With a 1.6 million rank I would stay quiet.

      1. Utopsis
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Haha

  20. EWH2020
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    So I have WC, BB and TC left. What's the optimum time to use WC to get a good BB for DGW?

    1. SINGH
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      I am doing WC in 25 and BB in 26

    2. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      It all depends on your team. There is further need for wild card if you can hold it.

      No such thing as a template approach to chip use.

      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        I can’t afford not to deploy it later than 25 for me, rank is too high

    3. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      WC25 BB26

      I don’t know how anything can better this approach really

      1. AC/DC AFC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Game week 29 a free hit or wild card will be handy.

        1. Salah’s Sonnet
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Why? I dunno how people can look past wildcarding for the biggest DGW of the season in 26 tbh

  21. MoSalad
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Bye bye Barnes welcome Hamez

    1. Van der Faart
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      With you on this. He was a truly abysmal transfer in for me

    2. OneDennisBergkamp
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Raphina could be better?

      1. MoSalad
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Hamez to Raphina GW25 mate

        1. OneDennisBergkamp
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          seems like a waste of 2 transfer to just keep Hamez for 1 week? I know he has a double but one of them is City, Raphina could hurt Arsenal i think

  22. Muchentuchel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Klopp has completely lost the plot.
    Henderson again in the back and a midfield that will be completely overrun by City. This will be the end of the season for every Liverpool fan.

  23. SINGH
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    from 140K to 450K rank in the space of 5 game weeks lol

  24. Steve The Spud
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    At least that’s the end of the Justin pain (sort of) for a couple of weeks with most people owning lots of Liverpool and villa assets

    1. FPL Alaska
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Seriously, Justin has been killing me.

  25. Dele
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Grealish > Hames for a one week punt?

    1. Captain Vantastic™
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      He is carrying an injury.

    2. The Invincibles
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Rodriguez’s minutes might be managed so might not play both games in the double.

      1. MoSalad
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Just read that he may have a Calf injury ahhhhh.

  26. FPLtfs
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Yet again my bench almost outscores my team. DCL, Justin and Coufal. I have good depth at least.

    1. F_Ivanovic
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Good depth is worthless and over-rated.

    2. Eleven Hag
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      like the spirit

  27. Captain Vantastic™
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Need a haul from Gundogan to save my gameweek.

    1. TheDragon
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Gundogan 10 goals all assisted by Cancelo should do it

  28. F_Ivanovic
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Just when I thought I was on for a good week Justin comes laughing at me with his 9 pointer.

    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Game is one big joke nowadays

  29. Champions League Varane
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    City 1-0 win needed with Sterling grabbing the winner

  30. SADIO SANÉ
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    started Raheem and Gundog, benched Foden - tears incoming