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Fantasy Premier League – Player List Analysis – Goalkeepers

More than likely you’ll have heard the news by now but for those unaware, the new Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game is up and running. Having taken time to soak up this season’s current player list, we roll out the first in a series of articles focussing on each position – not surprisingly, we start with the goalkeepers.

The Budget Bracket

Southampton’s Artur Boruc comes in at just 4.5 – the most expensive of his side’s three keepers. The Pole looked to have established himself as number one under Mauricio Pochettino last term, though, and is bound to receive plenty investment, with a schedule that sees him entertain Sunderland, West Ham, Palace, Swansea, Fulham, Hull and Villa in his first seven at St Mary’s.

Simon Mignolet’s departure from Sunderland leaves new boy Vito Mannone and Kieran Westwood to battle it out for the number one jersey – both have been priced at 4.5, though the opening schedule is somewhat tricky for the Black Cats, with plenty of saves, rather than clean sheets, perhaps anticipated. Everton new boy Joel Robles is also been handed a budget price tag but while Roberto Martinez has admitted the Spaniard could push Tim Howard all the way for a starting role, too many question marks hang over his game time at the moment to make the former Latics man a viable proposition.

Promoted trio David Marshall, Julian Speroni and Allan McGregor all come in at 4.5. As mentioned in a previous article, the latter two offer up a home/away rotation pairing right across the season, with a decent opening eight Gameweeks (TOT, NOR, SUN, CAR, SWA, SWA, WHM, AVL, FUL). Faith in both Hull and Palace’s abilities to register clean sheets is understandably low but for those Fantasy managers looking to spend an absolute minimum on their keepers, this pairing is the cheapest option on offer with a guarantee of regular game time.

Marshall has some tricky opening fixtures but not only does he rotate with Swansea’s Michel Vorm, the Cardiff keeper also offers decent back-up for those willing to take a punt on Mignolet nailing down the Liverpool keeper’s jersey.

The Mid-Price

Jussi Jaaskelainenand Asmir Begovic – last season’s standout budget options – have both been handed a significant price hike in light of their heroics between the sticks. The duo will now set you back 5.5 apiece compared to 4.5 a year ago; a move that will severely dent their appeal. As always, Jaaskelainen will offer save points aplenty and, with (CAR, new, STO, sot, EVE, hul) could barely ask for a better opening schedule – while he offers a strong rotation option with Boruc over the 38 Gameweeks, there are cheaper routes into Sam Allardyce’s backline that may sway Fantasy managers. Begovic has a dire first few matches, with only a home clash against Palace likely to appeal in the opening five, and with Stoke set for a more attacking approach under Mark Hughes, many may choose to hold fire on investing in the Potters backline options.

Both Simon Mignolet and Pepe Reina will set you back 5.5. The Belgian’s arrival at Anfield suggests the latter’s days are numbered and if the former Sunderland man can nail down a regular role, he’d offer the cheapest route into a defence that registered 16 clean sheets under Brendan Rodgers last time round. With only one tricky fixture in the first nine, Liverpool look primed for investment from the offset.

Everton’s Tim Howard has been priced at 5.5 after the Toffees shipped just 41 goals in David Moyes’ final season in charge. With Roberto Martinez now at the helm, question marks remain over the Merseysiders’ ability to keep out opponents if, as expected, they roll out a 3-4-3 – bearing in mind that Seamus Coleman is cheaper and should be fielded as an out of position prospect on the right of midfield, Howard’s appeal is significantly reduced.

Midlands duo Ben Foster and Brad Guzan both cost 5.0 and offer a home/away rotation pairing with West Brom and Villa over the season. Guzan’s saves are crucial to how we assess his potential – despite producing just five clean sheets in 2012/13, the US stopper still finished as Villa’s top scoring defensive option and looks a viable alternative to the similarly priced Matt Lowton, though there are cheaper alternatives to consider at Villa if you fancy them to improve defensively. Foster is 0.5 cheaper than Gareth McAuley for the Baggies and could well outscore the centre-half this time round if he can stay injury-free.

While Jaaskelainen and Begovic have been priced out of many managers’ reach, the 2011/12 star duo of Michel Vorm and Tim Krul have slipped in FPL’s estimations after registering 92 and 75 points apiece in the campaign gone by. The pair are now down to 5.0 and while you’re unlikely to find a cheaper alternative in the Swansea set-up (unless 4.5 Neil Taylor can nail down left-back at Ben Davies’ expense), there are a couple of 4.5 price options in Newcastle’s defence which may see Krul bypassed. With home games against West Ham, Fulham and Hull, in addition to a trip to Villa by Gameweek 5, the Tynesiders – opening day trip to City aside – offer a decent opening schedule.

John Ruddy’s appeal has been hit by a cost of 5.0. The Norwich stopper made just 15 appearances last season and was expected to be a cut-price option – although he rotates home/away with Stoke, a partnership with Begovic is surely too expensive at 10.5. With Michael Turner priced at 4.5 in the heart of the Canaries backline, our plans for Ruddy may be shelved. Similarly, Fulham’s new keeper Maarten Stekelenburg could be overlooked by fellow new-boy Fernando Amorebieta – at 5.0 and 4.5 respectively, the more budget-friendly centre-half may prove a more popular option for those eyeing up the Cottagers as a source of clean sheets.

Arsenal seems very favourably priced at the back this year, with Wojciech Szczesny (5.5) potentially offering real value over the season ahead. If the Pole can retain the number one jersey, he offers a solid route into a backline that conceded just 37 goals last time out – the second most resilient defence in the Premier League. Arsene Wenger’s side face just one of last term’s top six in the first nine Gameweeks and have been handed the platform to sprint out of the blocks.

The Top Bracket

Just four keepers have been afforded a price tag of 6.0 or more this season. Surprisingly, Hugo Lloris’ name is amongst that quartet, despite the fact that Tottenham managed nine clean sheets in Andre Villas-Boas’ first term in charge at the Lane – less than Norwich, for example. While there’s no doubt the Frenchman is now fully established as Spurs’ first-choice stopper, his appeal is somewhat diminished by options elsewhere in the Tottenham backline; with the likes of Younes Kaboul at 5.0 and Benoit Assou-Ekotto also coming in under 6.0, Lloris will surely struggle to garner any real attention.

United’s David De Gea will also set you back 6.0. The champions’ first few fixtures, which pits them against Chelsea, Liverpool and City in the opening five, could be a lot kinder on David Moyes’ side and if the likes of Jonny Evans (5.5) can nail down a regular role in the new regime, De Gea looks an expensive commodity many will be more than happy to do without. New City manager Manuel Pellegrini’s promise to bring a more attacking style of play to the Etihad suggests 6.5 priced Joe Hart could struggle to mirror the resilience that has seen him produce 18. 17 and 18 clean sheets in the previous three campaigns under the more cautious Roberto Mancini. It remains to be seen whether Pellegrini will utilise rotation at the back to the same extent as his predecessor but if he settles on a regular back-four domestically, the fact that every City defender bar Vincent Kompany is cheaper than Hart is likely to play a part in Fantasy managers’ thinking as we look to save on budget to begin with.

Finally, Chelsea’s Petr Cech looks a nailed-on option under the returning Jose Mourinho. Aside from the similarly priced Ashley Cole, there remains plenty of uncertainty over the Blues’ likely back-four for the season ahead, with Cech offering a security of starts that boosts his clean sheet prospects – there are cheaper options in Mourinho’s defence, though, with 6.0 priced Cesar Azpilicueta’s runs down the flank offering real attacking potential if he can possibly cement the right-back berth.

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  1. DeathAngel
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    I haven't posted here in a long, long time but I feel compelled to.

    I am dismayed by the FPL price list for so many reasons. 🙁

    Sturridge averaged 1 G or A per game last season but is only 9.0M. Ditto with Coutinho.

    Walcott is clearly better as a fantasy player than Cazorla considering Theo only played just over half a season and Caz played pretty much every minute and only just outscored Theo. However Caz is priced higher and Theo is WAY under priced. Theo is also far more consistent whereas Caz gets 3 goals + assist vs Reading and 4 assists in another game, Theo spreads the love out more evenly and still had time for the 3 goals + 2 assists against Newcastle.

    There are lots of other inconsistencies too, but basically to sum it all up Bale and Van P have had a price hike, and most of the other players remain with similar prices to how they ended last season. How lazy is that from FPL?! Going into GW1 of this season will basically just feel like GW39 of last season. Far too many decent players are affordable, and too many solid defences have cheap access, (like Dawson etc), so it basically means we don't really need to look at most of the teams in the bottom half of the table, you can easily just cover Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U and co. Boring stuff.

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    1. Heisenberg:Crystal Meth Pal…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I agree. Sturridge is bargain especially with Suarez suspended/maybe sold. Walcott should definitely cost the same as Cazorla

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      1. DeathAngel
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        No, Walcott should cost MORE than Cazorla, Caz played 3,300 minutes and Walcott played 2,200 minutes off the top of my head, and yet they ended up on virtually the same score.

        It's points per match that is more important than total overall score, as Theo didn't have much of a first half of the season due to injuries and being left out of the side. When Theo played, he trumped Caz, pure and simple, and heading into this season both players are nailed on, so Theo is a better prospect and should cost more, no?

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    2. Twelve years a slave
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      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Strange , i consider Coutinho at 9.0 to be overpriced , but each to their own

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      1. DeathAngel
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        He played 10 games and scored 3 goals and 7 assists...

        You think he's overpriced, why?

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        1. GreennRed
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          A good start. No certainty of a great season and Alberto, Apsas, Downing, Sterling, Ibe and a few others fighting him for a spot. If Alberto could be nailed-on would be a steal.

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          1. DeathAngel
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Better to be safe than sorry though right? FPL should err on the side of overpricing a player, (so that if overpriced they get selected by no one and don't effect the game in a meaningful way), instead of underpricing them, (where that player then gets owned by everyone and effects the game too much).

            No?

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  2. Heisenberg:Crystal Meth Pal…
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    This has probably been asked numerous times already but can someone please post the rotation spreadsheets? Would be much appreciated 🙂

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    1. Bielsa's Bucket
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      10 years, 8 months ago

      http://bit.ly/1dB5zsH let me know if it works

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  3. सनकी
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone thinking Mignolet as an option? Liv's defence would be super solid next season..

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    1. GreennRed
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      A good option. But gotta pick between him and 5.0m Kolo, so getting 5.0m Vorm instead 😉

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    2. DropPointsNotBombs
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      10 years, 8 months ago

      He's an option but is he 100% going to start?

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    3. Twelve years a slave
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      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      If he nailed on he going be very good value

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      1. सनकी
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        I dont think he would come if he's not nailed on. Words on the street is that Reina is leaving. Why would Belgium first keeper switch to a team and be a bench warmer if the world cup is getting nearer ? Hm

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        1. DropPointsNotBombs
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Money

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          1. सनकी
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Money over world cup? I dont think so.

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            1. DropPointsNotBombs
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 8 months ago

              We'll see. Reina will start the season as first choice

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        2. GreennRed
          • 12 Years
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          Himself and Courtois are pushing for No. 1 spot. I hope he get's the Pool start. Reina always was a decent shot stopper, great to set up attacks too. But not great on set-pieces and especially not consistent dealing with crosses.

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  4. Hibbo
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    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Everyone else is doing it so why the hell not?

    Boruc Daniels*

    Garrido Shaw Collins Chester* Manolev*

    Bale Walcott Lampard Nolan Brady

    RvP RvW Lambert

    *s are autoselect choices.

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    1. In Like Flynn.
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      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I'm not convinced Lampard is going to be nailed on for starts. Worth a shout though I suppose.
      Looks good once you lose the *s.

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      1. Hibbo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Im not convinced myself Flynn but trying to live the impossible dream. Thou for some reason I see Frank bagging a few at the tail end of August and Sept.

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        1. TokyoRed 東京赤
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          • 12 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Chester is floating around in a few teams, might be an alright uber

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  5. Heisenberg:Crystal Meth Pal…
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Any rotation spreadsheets floating around?

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    1. Bielsa's Bucket
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      10 years, 8 months ago

      http://bit.ly/1dB5zsH let me know if it works

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      1. Heisenberg:Crystal Meth Pal…
        • 11 Years
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        Yep, thanks!

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  6. DeathAngel
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Evra scored more points and did more attacking things than Vertonghen, plus he plays in a better defence than Vertonghen, but JV is higher priced than Evra? Rafael had a stormer last year but is only 6.0M too. I expect the prices at this stage to be more or less correct, and things should only start to be undone slightly when a few players transfer to different teams that are siginificantly better or worse than their current team.

    Dawson pretty much nailed on as the Spurs captain but again FPL have missed this and put him at a measly 5.0M. At least last year was more understandable as Gallas/Kaboul were competing with him going into the start of the season.

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  7. In Like Flynn.
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    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    How good is Paulinho?
    I have him in mind if I go for RVP but no Bale. Only in mind though as there are lots of options.

    It's all about balancing the budget with decent players. Always slightly more difficult with players new to the prem, however good they were elsewhere.

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    1. Crokey
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I think he is potentially a good pick, he will score a few goals every now and then, he also makes a lot of tackles and is a decent passer so should benefit from the new BP system.

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      1. Hibbo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Cant see how Paulinho will benefit from the new bonus system when Bale will consistently mop up top bonus?

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        1. In Like Flynn.
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          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          He wasn't that great under OPTA stats in the Metro last year. Pretty good, but not great.

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        2. Chu Young Ping Pong
          • 11 Years
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          Not certainly. Check his score under the new system.

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        3. Crokey
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Well here's my thinking Schneiderlin got 214 BPS points the same as arteta, Paulinho will get similar tackling and pass completion rate as Schneiderlin, but he has an attacking edge so should get more BPS points. Most likely to get 1 or 2 points every few games.

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          1. In Like Flynn.
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            • 13 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Thanks Crokey. I have to say Paulinho is catching my eye, the little minx.

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    2. Bielsa's Bucket
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      In the Brazilian league he was really good! He is still young, only 24 years old, built like a brick **** house, so very strong and powerful. Only thing is whether or not he will adapt to the premier league, these days it seems more hit and miss whether a player settles.

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    3. सनकी
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Tbh i would rather have Bale than RVP. Tho im gonna have both, but it also depends on if Spurs sign Benteke/any decent striker. Then i wouldnt mind not having any other spurs player.

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    4. DropPointsNotBombs
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Really good player. Spurs midfield is so big though you just don't know who is gonna play (bar Bale)

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      1. In Like Flynn.
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        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        I'd have Dzeko before you could blink, if he was assured starts.

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    5. In Like Flynn.
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      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Thanks for the information/opinions guys. Obviously Bale is preferable as we know what he can do.
      £26mil for two players hurts is all.

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  8. HammersXI
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    RMT for the first time
    Boruc (ruddy)
    Shaw Coleman Turner (Chester Parr)
    Hazard Mata Mirallas Bale (Kacaniklic)
    Carroll Sturridge RvW

    Good to go?

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  9. TheSteel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    first draft
    foster (boruc)
    azpil nastasic alcaraz (clyne manolev)
    bale hazard walcott snodgrass
    anelka aguero lambert

    no united :S might throw kags in for walcott

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  10. Twelve years a slave
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    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    I like it , assuming Chelsea have double if not i would replace Mata with another pricey mid

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    1. Twelve years a slave
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      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      reply fail ( to hammersx1

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      1. HammersXI
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks mate! Shd i make Cech the gk and exchange Carroll with Jrod?

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        1. Twelve years a slave
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          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          up to you really , but Boruc and another cheapie are good enough

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          1. HammersXI
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Alright thanks!

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  11. DeathAngel
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Dawson pretty much nailed on as the Spurs captain but again FPL have missed this and put him at a measly 5.0M. At least last year was more understandable as Gallas/Kaboul were competing with him going into the start of the season.

    Poor.

    At this point in the season I expect the prices to be pretty much correct with things only becoming undone once a few players transfer to other teams that are significantly stronger or weaker than their current team.

    Here's another inconsistency:

    Evra scored more points and did more attacking things than Vertonghen, plus he plays in a better defence than Vertonghen, but JV is higher priced than Evra? What on earth? Rafael had a stormer last year but is only 6.0M too.

    I thought FPL were a professional organisation, why aren't they getting this sort of thing right?

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    1. DropPointsNotBombs
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Calm down. I think they price some players wi the view that they could be replaced by someone in their position like Evra being replaced by Baines. I personally think Dzeko is worth more than £7.5m but he's that price because City are likely to get 2 more strikers in which would significantly reduce his playing time and thus value

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      1. DeathAngel
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        This is incorrect in my opinion. A player's price shouldn't be based on how much playing time they are likely to have, it should only be what their value is given that they are playing in a random match.

        If you could not do transfers, then it makes sense for Dzeko say to be 7.5M, as over a season his total score will be only average due to a lack of game time, but since we can do transfers then if City have injuries and an easy home game at the weekend and Dzeko is certain to start for instance, then his true value is like 11.0M to 12.0M in my opinion as he will have a high chance of scoring points.

        No?

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        1. DropPointsNotBombs
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          It's not only based on playing time, but that's a big part of it I would say. If Dzeko was the main striker at a club where he would be starting every game (I.e. a Van Persie) presuming all players were healthy, I would say his value should be around £11.5m.

          So why isn't it? This must be because his playing time is gonna be severely reduced when new strikers come in ( again they would be presuming everyone stays fit)

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          1. DeathAngel
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            Do you not see my point though? If Dzeko ends up getting benched in the early weeks, then he has no value and no one will own him, so he may as well be sitting there with an 11.0M pricetag.

            Then should Aguero break his leg and be out for the season, guaranteeing Dzeko some action, then he is priced at 11.0M which is correct for a regularly playing Dzeko and no pricing loophole can be easily exploited.

            If they take game time into account, Dzeko is sitting there at 7.5M, suddenly Aguero breaks his leg and Dzeko is the main man. Suddenly everyone has to buy him in at that price and then one player effects the game too much as he will be in 9 out of 10 teams making FPL a snoozefest.

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            1. DropPointsNotBombs
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 8 months ago

              I get what you're saying but I can't see any other reason for pricing him at £7.5m other than he is gonna be heavily rotated. The manager has said he wants another 2 top level strikers in, and even then he may only play 1 up front.

              They obviously haven't priced players thinking that someone else in their position might break a leg. If he was the main striker I would agree he should be £11-12m but considering the circumstances, I think he's priced fairly.

              I think everyone seems priced fairly. The only real bargains that stand out at this stage to me are Coleman, Mirallas and Hazard

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              1. DeathAngel
                • 14 Years
                10 years, 8 months ago

                You're forgetting Walcott who is just ridiculously cheap at 9.5M. I'm not quite sure what FPL were thinking, this guy is nailed on and gets goals and assists most matches that he plays.

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                1. DropPointsNotBombs
                  • 12 Years
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                  I'll agree with you there actually

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                  1. DeathAngel
                    • 14 Years
                    10 years, 8 months ago

                    Rooney at 10.5M when he almost matched RVP when both were fit last season?

                    Rooney did 22 G or A's in 23 matches. Wowsers! And yet FPL give him a 1.5M price drop.

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            2. TokyoRed 東京赤
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 8 months ago

              You're paying for the option basically. If he doesn't play much he's worth sod all, if he is nailed on he could be 11MM easily so the price comes in between the two as it is not clear to what degree he will play.

              So, do you feel lucky?

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              1. DeathAngel
                • 14 Years
                10 years, 8 months ago

                Most of the time you know if someone is going to play though, as you can check injury news etc during the week and if everyone at City is fit, then Dzeko only occasionally starts.

                Also, with defenders, if Dawson starts in GW1 for example, (which he probably will), then you know he is AVB's first choice and so really Dawson should be 6.0M or 6.5M as he will always play and it's clear cut with very little uncertainty, and yet his price is stuck at 5.0M and most FPL managers then go on to own him, making him a boring player.

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    2. JWF
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      This time last year Dawson was on the verge of being sold and Vert and Kaboul were the preferred pairing. Although Dawson went on to establish himself as first choice following Kaboul's long-term injury he is by no means nailed on this coming season. I think the prices are about right for the Spurs defenders; Vert and Walker are the only two really certain of starts (barring new signings/injuries) with BAE next (but less certain as Spurs may look to strengthen at LB) and Dawson/Caulker/Kaboul competing for the final spot. If anything I would have had Dawson and Kaboul at 5.5 with Caulker at 5.

      The lower prices in the Man U defence are indicative of the uncertainty around new manager and new signings etc. If Baines is signed suddenly Evra's playing time looks significantly reduced.

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      1. DeathAngel
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        I'm not quite sure what a player's game time has to do with anything though. If someone isn't going to play much at all, then they have pretty much no value, in which case if Baines goes to Man U, then Evra is not worth 6.5M, more like 2.0M or 3.0M.

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        1. DropPointsNotBombs
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          That's the risk you have to take. Obviously the more minutes a player plays, the more chance of scoring points they have.

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        2. JWF
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          I'm confused! In your comment above you said that you think prices should be based on playing time but here you say you're not sure what that has to do with value...?

          Value is determined by point-scoring potential which is obviously linked to playing time, the quality of the team they play for, how central they are to the team they play on etc.

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          1. DropPointsNotBombs
            • 12 Years
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            He hasn't said value depends on playing time, I was the one who said that.

            I'm also struggling to understand how he can't fathom that the more a player plays, the more points they will get...

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            1. DeathAngel
              • 14 Years
              10 years, 8 months ago

              Lol, I can fathom that the more a player plays, the more TOTAL SEASON points they get. If we can't make transfers then the current pricing system is correct. RVP will score twice the points of Dzeko over a season, hence why he is twice the price.

              However we can make transfers and so what matters really is a players MATCH potential so that if we know Dzeko etc are going to play at the weekend, then we should pay a fair price for Dzeko's ability to score points. Now RVP is only slightly better in points per 90 minutes than Dzeko, and hence their prices should be closer matched by my reckoning.

              Do you understand now?

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              1. JWF
                • 14 Years
                10 years, 8 months ago

                OK, so I mis-read what you said. However, I still don't understand the point you're trying to make. Of course prices are going to be based on TOTAL SEASON points potential. How else can they do it? They can't set different prices each gameweek to take account of MATCH potential. The simple fact is that we don't know when and if Dzeko is going to play so the price is set based on season potential.

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                1. DeathAngel
                  • 14 Years
                  10 years, 8 months ago

                  Lol, no. They can set prices on a match potential based at this point in time at the start of the season, and then review it each year.

                  Over the last two seasons Dzeko has averaged just over a goal or assist per 90 minutes, RVP has averaged slightly better than that, but for both we can clearly see that their points grabbing ability per 90 minutes is very high and better than most players.

                  Once the prices are decided at the start of the season, (i.e. points per 90 minutes), then after that the prices should change in the usual transfers in/out 'demand' way. I have never suggested changing the prices each gameweek, I am not sure where you are getting that idea from.

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          2. DeathAngel
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            No, I am categorically saying that I don't believe potential game time should effect a player's price, but I recognise that FPL do account for it heavily and it is unnecessary for them to do so.

            Just price each player up under the assumption they are nailed on, and then the rest of the mechanics work themselves out. If a player is not in the first 11, then no FPL manager will own him, simples.

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    3. Bielsa's Bucket
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Evra is priced fairly. He only got ten more points than Ivanovic and Johnson, but if you rank it in the new bonus points system which they have taken into account, he falls well below, coming in only ranked 7th, 3 points away from 8th, the highest ranked defender in the new bonus points is.......JV 286, 64 points ahead of Evra. I think you should look at the new bonus point system and see that they have related it to that, and when compared you'll see the pricing is indeed fair. Things are going to be very different this season mate, and that's mostly because of the new baps scoring.

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      1. JWF
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        That BP info is really interesting, will be interesting to see how big an impact the new system has on scores this season. I still think that goalscorers (and hence match-winners) will still monopolise the BPs but I guess we'll see a bigger proportion of points going to holding midfielders too

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        1. Bielsa's Bucket
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          When you look at strikers, the ranking of them pretty much stays unchanged, you'll notice players are rewarded a lot more for creating and making (key) passes, defending, runs etc hence why a player like Podolski, who is listed has a forward, but played mostly on the wing last season is ranked quite highly at 5th, only 10 points behind Suarez who is ranked 4th.

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      2. DeathAngel
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        He's 64 BPS points ahead, but since actual BAP's are not a massive part of a player's score over the season, (most players only get say 10 to 20 BP's if that), then it's not as big a difference as you seem to think.

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  12. DropPointsNotBombs
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Nasty sic is a definite starter right?

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    1. DropPointsNotBombs
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Nastasic

      Damn autocorrect

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    2. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Not absolutely certain. It really depends on the new manager but Lescott will fight for a spot.

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    3. Bielsa's Bucket
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      If you are keeping tabs on city defence, I'd keep an eye on Richards over Nasty during pre-season.

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    4. pundit of punts
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      depends on City getting a new CB. there's been talk of Pepe signing.

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  13. Heisenberg:Crystal Meth Pal…
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    The riskiest but probably the best value perfectly rotating pair is Mignolet and Robles.

    Both are obviously far from nailed on but if they are.. Liverpool were brilliant defensively at home while 4.5 is a bargain for an Everton keeper

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  14. Roonani
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    What do you think is the better option ?

    RVP +Navas (or silva)

    Aguero+Bale

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    1. DropPointsNotBombs
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      You have to have Bale in your team.

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    2. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Aguero Bale by a mile

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  15. gaijin_lfc
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    RMT if ya don't mind 🙂

    Boruc / Mannone
    Koscielny / Toure / Coleman / Clyne / McNaughton
    Bale / Hazard / Navas / Snodgrass / Thomas
    Agüero / Benteke / Cornelius

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  16. Jake9
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts on Dzeko? Is he a good choice?

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    1. In Like Flynn.
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Nailedoninessdoubtfulnesses. Otherwise I reckon he'd start with 30% ownership at least.

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    2. DropPointsNotBombs
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Great price but he will be heavily rotated when Jovetic and another striker arrive

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  17. In Like Flynn.
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    I have to say it is an absolute pleasure to see so many different player combinations in the RMTs so far.

    How long before you all knuckle under to peer pressure and make a change here a tweak there and end up with the same template team as everyone else before the deadline on GW1?

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    1. HammersXI
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I guess there's a possibility of that happening. I shall try to stay away from that! Having exams during that period means i might have to fix my team now and see it thru. 🙁

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    2. JWF
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Was just thinking the same thing! Think the RVP/no-RVP will be the key to how uniform teams get. I fully expect teams to start looking the same as people settle on the same cheap fillers based on the views on here. I'm assuming that Bale is the one true must have but I'm not convinced there are stand-out mid-priced mf options so there should be a little variation there.

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      1. Twelve years a slave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Crowd mentality will creep in , if you see 100 RMTs with player x in , chances are you will include player x in your own team

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        1. JWF
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          I know I will 🙂

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    3. Brutus619
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I can honestly say I won't.

      Although I may not stick with my 3-5-2 (did a RMT last page) I will definitely not bring RVP or any Chelsea players on board (unless DGW 1 confirmed). Trying to put RVP in my team just depresses me as I have to destroy the rest of my thought out and balanced team.

      I think this season will start off being all about value and captain rotations. Filling my mids and forward lines with the likes of Ruiz/Lambert/Mirallas/Nolan and also Bale/Walcott/Sturridge/Silva ensure that I have a mix of players that outperform their value and others who can rise to the occasion and beat RVP's usual 12 points as (C).

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      1. In Like Flynn.
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        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        I think there are a lot of good options around this year Brutus. I'd like to see people go for something a bit different from everyone else.
        I hope I can hold out too.

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  18. BigManBakar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Rate my team: (keep in mind chelsea and villa dgw)
    Cech
    Toure,Alcaraz,Dawson
    Bale,Hazard,Wilshere,Mata,Silva
    Helenius,Sturridge

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  19. Chu Young Ping Pong
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    No mention of Rooney?

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    1. Desertbug
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Just by Moyes, saying that he is clearly a number two to RVP.

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    2. In Like Flynn.
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I think everyone's waiting to see where he ends up Chu. Could be great if he gets the right move.

      I don't fancy him at all if he stays.

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      1. Chu Young Ping Pong
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        He'll stay and I'm sure he'll get 20 goals at least.

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        1. In Like Flynn.
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          In that case, I've changed my mind. 🙂

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        2. Desertbug
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          If RVP blows a wheel, maybe. Otherwise, I'm not so sure about that. Really kind of hard to say what Moyes does with the United personnel, but we seemed to see a lot of 4-4-1-1 and I'm not sure that spells a lot of goals for whoever is back behind the top 1

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  20. Chu Young Ping Pong
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Welbeck, first name in my team. Bargain.

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    1. DropPointsNotBombs
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Same. Gets bucket loads of goals

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    2. In Like Flynn.
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I'd have to have cash added to my team value even to have him stink up the bench.

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      1. Chu Young Ping Pong
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        😀

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  21. RogerC
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Dear Scout Team,

    I would like to suggest if it is possible to turn on HTTPS service for the member site. Since members pay to subscribe for more useful information, it is good to secure their user information like username and password. Of course there are downsides for using https, eg. decrease of server performance due to overhead but hopefully you guys will consider my suggestion. Thanks.

    RC

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  22. Rotation for and against.
    Twelve years a slave
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Rotation or value ???

    Example

    For Rotation

    WBA Southampton Norwich Newcastle Hull
    are considered by many to be the best cheap five player rotation which ensures three have good fixture for virtually every round.

    Against rotation

    However this approach is very unflexible and means you cant take advantage of undervalued players from other clubs and those playing out of position.
    For example Coleman playing out of position and you can argue that Dawson at 5m is better than any WBA defender at 5m.

    So is it better to pick the best five undervalued players regardless of rotation,, or is it better to have a more organised defense with good fixtures each week?

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    1. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Personally I'm against rotation on the basis you have outlined. However its not that simple either. I think there is room for an element of both where you pick some players like Aspi (DGW) and Coleman (OOP) but also rotate three other uber cheap defenders for the final spot. I think Tommy is a big fan of that idea and it gives flexibility and rotation.

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      1. Twelve years a slave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        That is the way i usually roll . Any more than three cheapies is too many imo

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        1. Ryan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 12 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Its also much easier to rotate 3 defenders for one spot than it is with two. This makes it easier to replace one of them as well because almost any team can be part of a three way rotation for one spot.

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    2. JWF
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I'd go three cheaper defenders based on rotateability (that's a real word) along with 2 defenders picked for actual points-scoring ability (of those I'd only go with one expensive).

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    3. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      The other important factor is that fixtures are far more important than rotation. I doubt CP and Hull will get too many clean sheets as most of their fixtures will be tough. People can read too much into rotation then get stupid defenders from teams with a rough start or with little defensive solidity.

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  23. DeathAngel
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    I'd rather be able to afford only two 'big guns' maximum, not four or five, so that I have to be forced to check out which Crystal Palace striker is the best to own and pour through last season's data etc in order to gain an edge on rivals, but with the current prices I need to do none of that, I can just get the Walcott's and Hazard's in and have an easily affordable, solid template team like everyone else. 🙁

    I hate not being forced to scope out all of the teams for any of their treasures. Right now I expect I will not touch any of the players from about 7 or the 20 teams, but if the big guns were priced properly, then everyone is forced to go for a lot of cheapies to balance the books.

    I hoped it was this:

    RVP 14
    Bale 13
    Sturridge 11
    Rooney 12.5
    Coutinho 10
    Gerrard 10.5
    Mata 11
    Hazard 10.5
    Lukaku 11
    Suarez 12.5
    Dzeko 11.5
    Walcott 11.5
    Cazorla 10.5

    These prices would make things a lot more fun.

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    1. Desertbug
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      You'll have to look at those players to find your differentials if you want to pull away.

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      1. DeathAngel
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Which players are differentials? Those players in the list aren't.

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        1. Desertbug
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Sorry, I meant to say that you will have to look at that list of players from those other 7 teams that you said you wouldn't touch, if you are going to find your differentials.

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          1. DeathAngel
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            But I will lose out doing that as all my rivals can afford squads consisting entirely of the top 13 teams, so if I dip into the bottom 7 teams, then I make my squad weaker and so in fact lose to my rivals.

            However, if the prices are set better so that myself AND my rivals are forced to choose players from the relegation battlers, then my greater knowledge of all 20 clubs can be used to my advantage.

            Do you see my point? At the moment, this pricelist is too easy to afford a solid team.

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    2. In Like Flynn.
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      You need to check out the Metro pricing. Phew!!

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    3. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      RVP and Bale are both very expensive so in order to get both of them you will need to scour the market for dirt cheap bench options from the likes of Hull and Crystal Palace.

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  24. Muniains Tears
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    RMT GW1 ( counting on villa chelsea dgw)

    foster
    AZPI clyne turner
    TONEV bale MATA(c) HAZARD
    caroll long aguero

    GUZAN, gabbidon, nugent, kacaniklic

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  25. lfcserg
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    RMT

    Mignolet - Boruc
    Baines - Collins - Clyne - Saylor - Turner

    Bale - Hazard - Silva - Bellamy - Brady

    Sturridge - Carroll - RvW

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    1. In Like Flynn.
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Wow! Good to go LFCSerg. Seriously, perfectly acceptable team.

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      1. lfcserg
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        srs?

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    2. TheSteel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      figure clyne will play a lot?

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  26. winter is coming
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Im guessing people will be sick of rating other teams by now but id like to hear other peoples opinions on first draft of this seasons team.

    Mannone
    Coleman-Luiz-Collins
    Mirallas-Bale-Hazard-G.Ramirez
    Bony-Aguero-Lukaku
    Subs- Boruc-S.taylor-Turner-Thomas

    Im clamming on sticking rvp in but i reckon my teams got a nice balance to it and he ruins it. Lukaku is just temporary even though i think he will step up for chelsea this season i want to see how he does in pre season. Appreciate any opinions on different players i could have

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    1. the cromulent one
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      I like your team's balance, too.
      I'm not convinced about Bony given Swansea's early fixtures. I'm thinking of Aspas.
      Is Collins nailed-on?

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      1. winter is coming
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Yeah swanseas opening fixtures are a bit grim but i missed out on michu at the start of last season so im drawn to him, plus i watched him play for vitesse always came through for me on anytime goalscorer bets. If suarez leaves liverpool i think it will ruin them they wont have much of a fear factor. I havent seen aspas play is he worth one of 3 striker slos? Bent for 6.5 potentially in the toon team is someone id consider over bony/lukaku. Not sure about collins he should play if fit but i could upgrade him somehow

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        1. winter is coming
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Striker slots*

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  27. the cromulent one
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Way too early for these RMTs. So much will change before the beginning of the season. .. transfers, injuries, DGW confirmations, managers' whims, etc. But it's all good fun.

    A few things strike me with all the RMTs:
    1. Not too much love for Nastasic. City have nice fixtures, and he has a nice price.
    2. I don't think I've seen one team with Tonev. At 5.0, he is an absolute bargain for a supposed "in the hole" midfielder. And with a possible DGW1, too

    Is there something that I'm missing?

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    1. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      1. He is probably only 75% nailed on. We have to wait and see what the new manager will do to that backline, Lescott might be in with a chance. Also people will probably favour a Chelsea player for that expensive defender spot due to the DGW.

      2. Who?

      Back to the RMT's I think its all for a bit of fun at this stage. As the season draws near people will get more serious and would have sorted out who they need once everyone has been discussed in full and once most of the pre season games are done.

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    2. pundit of punts
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      !. waiting to see if City sign a CB. if they do then Nastasic will be a risky proposition.
      2. dgw not confirmed yet, blank gw 3, tough fixtures. certainly one to monitor though.

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    3. Heisenberg:Crystal Meth Pal…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Is Nastasic nailed on though? I would think he would be competing with Lescott all season

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  28. DeathAngel
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    What's with this BS BPS system, where strikers get 8 BPS for a goal but defenders only get 4, despite defenders getting 6 FPL points for a goal and strikers getting 4 FPL points. Loads more BS to do with the BPS but that one sticks out the most.

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    1. Crokey
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      Just look at the actual BPS scores from last season and you will see that defenders are rewarded more than the previous system.

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      1. DeathAngel
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        So strikers that don't score goals are fooked then.

        Heskey has no chance of BAPS now.

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  29. TheSteel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    do we think shelvey will be nailed on?

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  30. Twelve years a slave
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 8 months ago

    Dont forget to update your FPL links , last seasons ones dont work.
    Need to go to the gameweek history and copy link , and pate into the scout site

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    1. Acquafresca
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      ah, forgot myself. Cheers trigger.

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      1. Twelve years a slave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        Thought you would be keen to do yours 🙂

        Nearly as good as mine .......But not quite !!!!!!!!!!!!

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        1. Twelve years a slave
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          Are you going to enter the top 1000 league?

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          1. Twelve years a slave
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 8 months ago

            538-691 is the code

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            1. Acquafresca
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 8 months ago

              Entered 🙂

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        2. Acquafresca
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          I'll try to keep up 😉

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    2. In Like Flynn.
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      foie gras? Thanks Triggerlips.

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      1. Desertbug
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        yum...

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    3. Beautiful Game
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 8 months ago

      this year i'll just copy your team from day1 😎

      give me your team 😆

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      1. Twelve years a slave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 8 months ago

        lol i wont even know it till the last hour or two before deadline.

        It way too erly to even be attempting to construct a team imo. Better to sit back and gradually take in all the implications of prices and transfers.
        There a lot to consider , how anyone can have a rte my team already is beyond me

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        1. Beautiful Game
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 8 months ago

          true dat!!!

          btw its the excitement thats making all of us make our teams trigie...btw Anderson paid you dividends 🙂

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