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16 August 2012 4984 comments
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Back for a new season, with “sailing fan” Granville now woken from his Olympic dream, we return for another podcast after a three-month hiatus.

While some of the regulars are shelved this week, we talk over the Sky Sports Game, welcome new Fantasy Football double act “Fenners & Merse” and start the clear up after Robin Van Persie kicked over the applecart.

The episode is underpinned by a new concept – the idea that Granville and I can join forces and actually be effective. The premise is we pick a ScoutCast XI and cross our beams to co-manage it over the season, arguing the toss in every ScoutCast episode on transfers and substitutions. The aim is harmony and a united success. It seems unlikely to end that way.

Oh, and there are actually two of my “jokes” that Granville misses in this episode – see if you can make out the second. I swear he was dreaming of gold medals in the sailing.

Listen in on the squad selection via this link.

Alternatively, stream it down your pipe using the player below…

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Freshy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    If Your thinking of a player who isnt on a any RMT's or are getting bad reviews for Your players...........

    Who was the Prem Player of the Month for August 2011?
    Correct answer gets an extra 5Mill for their team.

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    1. DRIZ ✅
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      13 years, 5 months ago

      that would be edin dzeko

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      1. Freshy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
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        You are correct sir

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    2. Evs
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Hmmmm, good question...

      Dzeko?

      Didn't he score a few v spurs?

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      1. Freshy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        4 vs Spurs - 6 for the month

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    3. hillbillypete
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      13 years, 5 months ago

      i got 6 in the bank

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      1. Freshy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        Give 5 to the boss...Im broke

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  2. Optimus.
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    anyone not (c) a dgw player?

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    1. McDog
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      Yeah

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    2. Piggs Boson
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      I'm tempted by Rooney or Tevez. I probably won't have the balls to do it though. Mata looks like a great option.

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      1. Sess!
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        13 years, 5 months ago

        Still on rooney, even with RVP enterting the fray?

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        1. Piggs Boson
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          Especially with RVP entering the fray! RVPs creativity and passing will help Rooney score, and Rooney will get more assists. An assist is only 1pt less than a goal remember.

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      2. Hiphopopotamus
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        Evenin' Giggs. As you're my guru shall i captain Mata over Lamps?

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        1. Piggs Boson
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          haha 😆 I would captain Mata over Lampard.

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          1. Hiphopopotamus
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            Cheers dude - unless something tangible forces a swap - Mata it is!

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          2. Timmy Cahill Rules
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            im skippering frank im selling him after DGW so hope he doesnt let me down

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    3. thattreblefeeling
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      yep Aguero all the way 🙂

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  3. Back on the horse
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    so people really think Michu is worth the 6.5m ?

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    1. Tommytour
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      If I didnt have Graham Id be all over him, great goal scoring record including pre season with the juiciest fixtures ever.

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      1. Sess!
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        I thought he only scored one in pre-season

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    2. SouthCoastSaint
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      Swansea's opening 8 fixtures help in the persuasion

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      1. Back on the horse
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        you got him then? I am deciding between

        Valencia
        Larsson +2.5m
        Michu + 2.5m

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        1. SouthCoastSaint
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          go Michu, beats Larsson with fixtures and Valencia over gametime

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        2. Cyril Figgis
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          I have Michu, but I'd certainly upgrade him to Valencia if I had the money,

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    3. Cyril Figgis
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      I certainly hope he is. He was very good in La Liga, had a great pre-season and seems to be linking up very well with Graham. Swansea look like they will be more attacking this season, so I see points for him.

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    4. hillbillypete
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      my thinking is i want a fulham player and swansea player.

      fulham dont have a decent midfield option so went petric and michu

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      1. Evs
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        • 16 Years
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        Be too, but Petic game (and tevez) stinks gw2 😥

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        1. hillbillypete
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          benching petric gw 2 and playing maloney

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          1. Evs
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            I see.... (I got Kacankailc)

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            1. hillbillypete
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              ive pondered him but will wait and see how it pans out......cant see many 65mins plus...

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        2. Cyril Figgis
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          I remember recommending Graham and Michu to you, so its your own fault 😛

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    5. Trigg ⭐️
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      Good goalscoring record, will almost definitely play in the hole, and good fixtures.

      With a lot of uncertainty surrounding new boys to the Prem, one of the more sensible punts.

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    6. Evs
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Well, any other better options except Nzog?

      Not keen on Evertons fixtures first few weeks to get pienaar.

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      1. Back on the horse
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Larsson? on pens and corners and had a good euros, not sure about pre-season

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        1. lightspeed
          • 16 Years
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          Good call

          Reading
          Swansea
          West ham
          Wigan

          In the opening 6 gws

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  4. DRIZ ✅
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    13 years, 5 months ago

    score predictions GW1 for..

    Aguero

    Tevez.

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    1. SouthCoastSaint
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      oh loads. really? are we really doing these this season?

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    2. tangtastic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      -2

      89

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      1. Cyril Figgis
        • 14 Years
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        So Tevez is probably slightly better value then...

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    3. Piggs Boson
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      13pts
      12pts

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  5. CrouchDown
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    13 years, 5 months ago

    davis nailed on for southampton ?

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  6. SouthCoastSaint
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    Rafael 5.5

    easiest way into United coverage. Why the lack of love?

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    1. hillbillypete
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      cos he might not play

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      1. SouthCoastSaint
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Does nobody remember the end of last season and the partnership he and valencia formed?

        Jones and Smalling potentially unfit.

        Are we to take it that Fergie would waste Valencia at right back?

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        1. tangtastic
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          I agree. He might have a problem having played in the Olympics, but surely he is 1st choice RB atm. Can't fit him into what I have.. tough choice to leave him out (currently)

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        2. pubble
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          People think Valencia will start RB first few games since he has been there in a couple preseason games.

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        3. Freshy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          If his strongest team has Tony at Right Back thas were he will be

          de Gea
          Valencia / Ferd / Vidic / Evera
          Carric
          Nani / Kagawa / Young
          RVP / Rooney

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          1. tangtastic
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            Way too attacking.

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    2. GlasgowFF
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      No play no points no point.

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  7. J_K
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Curse my obsessive tinkering! Must have made about 100 transfers since my inaugural team. Would very much appreciate everyones thoughts on these fair polar opposites.

    DDG, Fed,
    Demel -- A Cole -- Clark -- Cuellar -- Rangel
    Yaya -- VDV -- Pienaar -- Gerrard -- Guthrie
    Torres -- Tevez -- Graham

    2.5 in the bank.

    DDG, Fed,
    Demel -- A Cole -- Lescott -- Cuellar -- Fabio
    Michu -- VDV -- Pienaar -- Gerrard -- Guthrie
    Torres -- Tevez -- Podolski.

    Nowt in the bank.

    There's not been a lot of love for Podolski or Arsenal's early fixtures on these boards but the big scores against Sun and Sot alone could be worth it. Liverpool look shaky at the back with Rodgers' high line and Stoke are without the mighty Huth (aren't they?)

    Many might also be questioning Gerrards inclusion over Mata or similar, but the strength of opposition for Gerrard (and Liverpool in general) usually works in their favour. The same reason I'm staying clear of RVP/Rooney is why I'm staying clear of Mata, Yaya, Kags. You just don't know out of all these front lines bursting with talent who is gonna grab the points yet.

    When its a fair bet Gerrard will nab something even when Liverpool lose.

    So have I convinced anyone?

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    1. European Bob
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Not with Gerrard. Wouldn't touch Liverpool for now

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  8. Skorge88
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    13 years, 5 months ago

    So what's the verdict on the Cashley/Ivanovic conundrum?

    Me thinks Ivan might be the better pick as there's no competition for his place with the Azpilicueta deal stalling, while Cashley could be rested ahead of Super Cup with Bertrand emerging as a viable alternative.

    Thoughts!

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    1. Sess!
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      I've had both at some poitn but ended up going with neither.

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  9. Marveaux or Kacaniklic
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    RMT please?

    DDG Fed

    Ivanovic Zabaleta Hangeland Fabio Tierney

    Bale Mata Pienaar Michu Kacaniklic

    Torres Tevez Petric

    2M in the bank for Torres>Rooney GW2

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    1. G8a
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      13 years, 5 months ago

      Tierny is a risk with Garrido signed. Look at Demel rather - rotates well with Fabio

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      1. Marveaux or Kacaniklic
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Cheers for the reply.

        Yeah im worried about Garrido affecting Tierney, my only real issue with my team at this stage.

        West Ham rotate well with QPR do they?

        Is Demel nailed on iyo

        Would McCartney not be a better choice

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    2. Pards Against Humanity
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Same keeper rotation as me, seems to work well for the mid term.

      Still not convinced on Petric, probably need to read up on his pre season though to be fair

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  10. Pards Against Humanity
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    I guess it's far enough along now to seek some advise on my team.

    Any input is appreciated,folks.

    DDG (Federici)
    Ivanovic. Zabaleta. Mariappa (Clyne, Demel)
    Bale. Guthrie. Ramires. Cazorla (Noble)
    Aguero. Torres. Podolski

    I'm worried about potential non starters, thoughts?

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    1. Pards Against Humanity
      • 14 Years
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      Any thoughts chaps?

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    2. J_K
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
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      You should be.

      What are you gonna do come GW3 when Mari, Iva, Ram, Guthrie, AND Torres wont play?

      Lose some chels or reading players and look at mid-range coverage outside the top 5. N'zog, Mclean, Pienaar, Snodgrass, Michu etc

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      1. Pards Against Humanity
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Haha I see your point. Glaring omission on my part

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    3. DropPointsNotBombs
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      Mariappa won't start.

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  11. Dynamo Fuchtherest
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    Will Lescott be a starter for Citeh?

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  12. Derailed Bandwagon
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    Who is more likely to score a goal gmwk 1: Lampard or Nasri?

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    1. Pards Against Humanity
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      Lamps

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    2. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
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      lamps

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  13. 1justlookin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    im on holiday tomorrow so would appreciate any comments on this team please? -

    DDG, federici
    Ivanovic, Zabaleta, rangel, Cuellar, Demel.
    Silva, Bale, Ramires, Noble, Guthrie.
    Torres, Tevez, Graham.

    2.5 mill in the bank.

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    1. Pards Against Humanity
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      Is Silva starting, notice a lot of people going for Nasri which to me suggests he isnt?

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    2. Optimus.
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      13 years, 5 months ago

      silva/ramires to nasri/lamp imo

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      1. 1justlookin
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        i dont think Lampard will play both games unlike ramires.

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        1. Optimus.
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          13 years, 5 months ago

          its a lottery but ramires played 90min last night the other side of the world

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    3. Evs
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      • 16 Years
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      Let it roll....

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    4. Derailed Bandwagon
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      Silva isnt certain to play is he. I heard he's lacking match fitness.

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    5. Albert Cole
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      2.5? You either go with 3.0 or 2.0.

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      1. 1justlookin
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        13 years, 5 months ago

        Keeping 2.5 mill back for Rooney to Torres in case rooney goes up before I get a chance to transfer him

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        1. Albert Cole
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          You just transfer him in on Saturday.

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          1. 1justlookin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            im away on holiday, plus if he gets injured in the EVE game then that would b a waste!!

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    6. Chris_White
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      Silva might not start.

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  14. Tommytour
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    Bring back the Euros!

    Lurkers are out in force 🙁

    *I wonder if I help out my rivals?

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    1. kennethrhcp
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      i always think that aswell, i know some of them check here out

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  15. Albert Cole
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    What do you think of Enda Stevens? Lambert seems to like him.

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  16. G8a
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    High fives for anyone who can rate this squad for me!

    Friedel - Jask
    Lescott - Hang - Boyce - Demel - Gunter
    Bale - Mata - Ramires - Noble - Puncheon
    Torres - Aguero - Graham

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    1. Call Me Old Fashioned
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Boyce 😆 5M for a wigan defender 😆

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  17. The Bandit
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    Barton to Marseille? Lol

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  18. Sess!
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    Best midfielder up to max £9m? I already have Bale Mata.

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    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      vdv or valencia

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    2. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
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      nasri, for now

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    3. Pards Against Humanity
      • 14 Years
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      Cazorla/kagawa. Risky though

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    4. GlasgowFF
      • 14 Years
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      Carloza

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    5. Albert Cole
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Kagawa or Cazorla.

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    6. Evs
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      KAGAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    7. Chris_White
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      13 years, 5 months ago

      Santi Cazorla or Nasri

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      1. GinjaWhinja
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Nas

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    8. Cyril Figgis
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Valencia.

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    9. Tommytour
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      13 years, 5 months ago

      Valencia > RVP/ROO = GOAL

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    10. Piggs Boson
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      Valencia, then Cazorla.

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      1. Call Me Old Fashioned
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        THIS

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    11. Sess!
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      Cheers lads. Valencia currently in my team. Cazorla tempting but think I'll hold off and see where's he playing first. VDV is the one that's really tempting me as spurs fixtures are great after GW1 and he'll be on pens until Ade arrives. Kagawa would have been an option if it wasn't for RVP....

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    12. MJ6987
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Yaya

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    13. Le Limpar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Walcott

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      1. Sess!
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Couple of leftfield picks just to balance it up

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  19. GinjaWhinja
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Sinclair vs Michu...???

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    1. kennethrhcp
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      sinclair for me

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    2. Sess!
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Sinclair all day for me. If I had an extra mill he'd be straight in my team.

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  20. drinkup245
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    anyone wanna have a guess at the norwich backline?
    Trying to get a 4.0 defender in.

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    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Martin Bennett Turner Garrido

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      1. Evs
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Tierney?

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        1. kaz 96
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          him and garrido shd be rotated

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    2. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      looking to do the same but garrdio coming in rules out teireny who was probably nailed on.

      the other centre backs will all be rotated leaving us with only 4.5 nailed on defs 🙁

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      1. drinkup245
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        taking a punt on bennett then.
        I'm doing a 3 team rotation so hopefully he'll play on the week i actually need him.

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  21. kaz 96
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    again, does garrido's loan deal mean tiereny is not nailed on?

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    1. Gargamel
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Probably

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  22. Lestat
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    a) Hazard - Sessegnon - Sinclair

    or

    b) Mata - Maloney - Rooney

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    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      b

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    2. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      B

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    3. Trigg ⭐️
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      13 years, 5 months ago

      B for sure.

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    4. Pards Against Humanity
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      B no Brainer

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    5. kennethrhcp
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      13 years, 5 months ago

      3 mids vs 2 mids & a forward... you sure thats right?

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    6. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
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      b

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    7. Sess!
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      13 years, 5 months ago

      B for shizzle

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  23. Lestat
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    apologies..

    a) Hazard - Sessegnon - Graham

    or

    b) Mata - Maloney - Rooney

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    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      b still

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  24. RottenTroll
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Last minute panic, having had a set team for a week or so. Many thanks
    A. McClean and Maloney
    or
    B. Ramires and Britton

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    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      A

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      1. RottenTroll
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        Had A, then panicked to B

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    2. kaz 96
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      A

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      1. RottenTroll
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks chaps, as always best stick with original plans and not panic to follow the short-term GW points.

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  25. mysteriousgoat
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    RMT please?

    my still unconfirmed XI:

    federici (vorm)
    hughes zabaleta kaboul (rangel,mccartney)
    lamps ramirez kagawa nasri (britton)
    tevez, torres (C), graham/petric?

    2.5 in the bank
    - GW2 bale/vdv for lamps
    - GW3 rooney for torres

    thoughts anyone?

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  26. SouthCoastSaint
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    MARK!

    Where is Southamptons James Ward-Prowse! Could be our first 4.0 this season!

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    1. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      What is he your keeper?

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      1. SouthCoastSaint
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Midfielder

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        1. Don Cortese
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          Good shout mate! Ramirez/Philips as well. Rumour is we've signed someone today...

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  27. @ImpressiveTackl
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Anyone playing the Sky Sports game? I am struggling with these rules particularly the following:

    "In order to be eligible for scoring, transfers must be made before the earliest kick off that day; transfers made after the earliest kick off will start scoring from the next day. For example: If you transfer in Rooney before the earliest kick off on Saturday he will be eligible to score points immediately. If you transfer him in after the earliest kick off on Saturday, he will be eligible to score points from Sunday’s matches"

    So is this like McDonalds? If I have Aguero playing on a Sat and I don't like his points, I can transfer him fro Rooney playing on a Sunday and take his points instead?

    Also it states "Game weeks run first kick-off Saturday to Friday." If this is the case why is Chelsea v Reading not included in gameweek 1. They don't do DGWS?

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    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      ive decided im not going near it..it was nice for a play around while waiting for fpl but now ive lost interest

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      1. Sess!
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        I set up a team last year, then didn't look at it once again the whole season.

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  28. Le Limpar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Right, spent the evening tinkering like a tinkerer and now back with the exact same team I had this morning.

    This could mean I'm ready.

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    1. RottenTroll
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Done exactly the same !!

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      1. Le Limpar
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        We're ready!

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  29. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    anyone have a brief idea of the norwich back 4 ? had tierney but now garrido has signed wont be so nailed on? need a 4.0m player , barnett?

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    1. Le Limpar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      The Scout team news above has nailed the Arsenal one (the only one I have any authority on) so I presume they're not far wrong on the others.

      Although I am disappointed to see they went with Frei of Kackalalala;a;

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  30. European Bob
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    De Gea / federici

    Cole / zabaleta / Hughes / demel / clyne

    Bale / lampard / kagawa / noble / Guthrie

    Torres / tevez / giroud

    No cash.

    Any non starters or obvious mistakes?

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    1. Le Limpar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Very nice. Worry that Kagawa will play deeper now is putting me off him but might not be anything to that.

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    2. Sess!
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Podolksi over Giroud for me. Talk is he'll start centrally and could be on pens.

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      1. Sess!
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        That would allow kagawa > valencia and more peace of mind.

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