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Brighton and Hove Albion are the only club with four Premier League fixtures across Gameweeks 34 and 35, with their first “double-header” undoubtedly their most enticing from a Fantasy perspective.

Bournemouth and Cardiff City are the visitors to the Amex Stadium in Gameweek 34 before the Seagulls face two less-appealing away fixtures at Wolverhampton Wanderers and Tottenham Hotspur in Gameweek 35.

Brighton assets will obviously be more popular than usual going into this Friday’s deadline, then, so it is worth exploring some of the Seagulls’ underlying statistics to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Our Members’ piece below looks at both attacking and defensive options in Chris Hughton’s side and studies Albion’s team numbers as a whole.

Now that we are past the halfway stage of the season, memberships are available for just £10 and can be bought by clicking HERE.

  1. F_Ivanovic
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    A) Kola + Duffy
    B) Doherty + Dunk

    Leaning towards B. Got 2 strong defenders in Robbo/TAA.

    1. gaurava1216
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      B

  2. DR0GBA
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Bench 1 (playing Robbo)

    A) Luiz (liv)
    B) TAA (CHE)
    C) Jonny (sou)

    1. gaurava1216
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      A

    2. Shineonme
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      A

    3. Ask Yourself
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      a

  3. gaurava1216
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Bottomed on last page- Thoughts pls? Nearly there

    A or B pls??

    A) TAA + Salah + Moura
    B) VVD + Mane + Eriksen

    Ryan Foster
    Dunk Duffy Valery Trippier XXX
    Son Jota Sterling XXX XXX
    Aguero Deeney Jimi

    1. JJeyy
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      b

    2. Wetdream
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      B

  4. JJeyy
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    A) Vardy, Salah, Laporte
    B) Aguero, Sterling, Kola

    Yes Vardy and Salah don't have doubles but due to rotation and fixtures I believe they contest with the other option making this a choice.

    1. gaurava1216
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      B for me

    2. Wetdream
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Aguero mane laporte

      1. JJeyy
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        have mane already

    3. F_Ivanovic
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      B

    4. Ask Yourself
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      b

  5. jdogg
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Lloris ryan
    Laporte trippier taa duffy bednerak
    Salah raheem son duelofeu jota
    Lacazette jimenez deeney

    Seem decent?x

    1. Richd
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      What keeper do you bench this week ? It’s gotta be Lloris but it seems horrible

      1. jdogg
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        Ive not thought that far ahead.haha.just wanting a decent benchboost team really.x

        1. Richd
          • 13 Years
          6 years, 12 months ago

          Well it’s something to take into account. Team seems good. I prefer Valery to Bednarek if you got extra money

          1. Richd
            • 13 Years
            6 years, 12 months ago

            If you’re gonna play Lloris id have Gunn instead of Ryan

          2. jdogg
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            6 years, 12 months ago

            Cant afford valery.even if i swap gunn for ryan.x

            1. BUZZBOMB ♡
              • 11 Years
              6 years, 12 months ago

              Why has no-one else said this all season?

    2. JJeyy
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Laca going under the radar

      1. jdogg
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        Yeh not seen him in many teams.am i missing something?what do u think?x

        1. JJeyy
          • 10 Years
          6 years, 12 months ago

          Impossible to predict arsenal form. Looks good on paper

  6. Viper
    • 16 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    How does this bench boost look?

    Ryan (wol, tot), Vardy (whm) Mane (car) Robertson (car)

    Strong or a waste if on a WC?

    1. Richd
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Seems fine..

  7. Zlat-man
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Name two defender you really want to have for gw 34+35, who is NOT from Liv, Brighton or Wolves

    1. Richd
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      It’s very tough.

      Valery and Yoshida

    2. Shineonme
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Valery/ monreal/

    3. Wetdream
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Yoshida or Valery

  8. Lone Wolf FPL
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Better pair:

    A) Robbo + Dunk (triple BHA)
    B) TAA + Laporte

    1. Wetdream
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      B

  9. Flynny
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Hi....please can I have a view on this wildcard to bb35?

    Lloris foster
    Robbo Doherty Duffy dunk valery
    Kdb eriksen mane son jota
    Kun jiminez deeney

    0.3itb........ thanks

    1. Sparky6670
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Pretty Standard!

      1. Flynny
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        That will do!

  10. Lingard’s Shin Guards
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Anything to change on this WC?

    Ryan Foster
    Laporte TAA Doherty Duffy Valery
    Sterling Mane Eriksen Son Hoj
    Aguero Jimenez Deeney

    0.3m itb

    1. Wetdream
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Very nice.Transfer value ?

      1. Lingard’s Shin Guards
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        103m

  11. Milk, 1 Šuker
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Price rise for Son tonight?

    1. Majestic Chanka
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Nah, doesn’t seem likely

      1. Milk, 1 Šuker
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        Cool

  12. Majestic Chanka
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Please call me mental

    Ryan Guaita
    Robbo Doh Mendy Duffy Valery
    Salah Son KDB Eriksen Sterling
    Jimenez Long Quaner

    Will turn Duffy to VVD in 35/36

    1. George Sillett
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Mental.

    2. Wetdream
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Those strikers....

      1. Milk, 1 Šuker
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        Those striker picks just as mental as the guy in your grav eh mate?

      2. Majestic Chanka
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        Only need the one

    3. gaurava1216
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      You like red arrows?

      1. Majestic Chanka
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        I like all aero display teams

    4. Kiwivillan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      No WC?

      1. Majestic Chanka
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        That is my WC, no BB though (obviously)

    5. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Where’s all the cash gone

      1. Majestic Chanka
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        £1.8 ITB

        1. Eat my goal!
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 12 months ago

          Long and Quaner?

          1. Majestic Chanka
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 12 months ago

            Bench 2 and Bench 3 slots

            Doubt I’ll need No. 2 and definitely won’t need No. 3

          2. Majestic Chanka
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 12 months ago

            Money is for Duffy upgrade after 34, Valery plays 35 if I hold a week

            1. Eat my goal!
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 7 Years
              6 years, 12 months ago

              No bench boost?

              1. Majestic Chanka
                • 9 Years
                6 years, 12 months ago

                Played back in GW1

                Maybe it backfires but I reckon it’ll be a huge differential over last few weeks.

                1. Eat my goal!
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 7 Years
                  6 years, 12 months ago

                  Sure, i can see the logic now

                  Doubt Mendy gets lots of mins

    6. DandyDon
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      I like the thinking in that not many reliable striker options for startsnow. Would ease up a bit and get in a second better striker like Deeney st least. Not sure about Guiata pick either

      1. Majestic Chanka
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        Guaita is a 36-38 pick as CP can get CS and only £4.2 (and I really don’t want Ryan beyond doubles)

        I think mids get most points so max out top mids, top def offers better value than £6-7m forwards so max out defense.

  13. McSauce
    • 16 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    G2G? All suggestions welcome

    Ryan
    Trippier Robbo Duffy
    Sterling Son jota Eriksen KDB
    Aguero Jimenez Deeney

    Lloris Deeney Doherty Valery

    1. Milk, 1 Šuker
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      I like the Deeney pick. With the DGW in mind?

      1. McSauce
        • 16 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        yes for DGW

    2. Wetdream
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Double d's ? We all like them...

    3. McSauce
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      sorry deeney not in starting 11

    4. dannyhesse
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      How did you manage to get 4 Spurs players?

    5. Crazygopher
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      How comes 4 spurs

  14. Oooo Matron
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    WC team thoughts?

    Lloris Foster
    TAA Duffy Dunk Van Dijk Bednarek
    Jota Sterling Son Eriksen Pogba
    Murray Aguero Jiminez

    Was thinking of swapping out Pogba & Murray after 34 for Deeney and Mane.

    1. Majestic Chanka
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Maybe as well taking Pogba out now then

      I’ve got rid

  15. gaurava1216
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Good to go?

    Ryan Foster
    Dunk Duffy Valery Trippier VVD
    Son Jota Sterling Mane Eriksen
    Aguero Deeney Jimi

  16. ã…¤Rising
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Anything to change here ?

    Lloris Foster
    Laporte TAA Dunk Duffy Valery
    Sterling Son Eriksen Mane JWP
    Aguero Deeney Jimenez

    GW35 Dunk to Doherty

  17. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    If your wildcarding this week and bench boosting in 35 which single gameweek players are you going with fellas???

    1. FPL Scoop
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Currently I have Robbo Mane and Vardy. Giving Vardy at least this week

      1. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        I have Robbo and Vardy atm will probably end up being Robbo and Mane closer to deadline

    2. ã…¤Rising
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      2 Liverpool

    3. Richd
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      TAA and Mane. But it’s boring and I wanna not do it.

      But really it’s sensible for the future.

      1. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        Yeah that’s right mate I think il end up Robbo and Mané I keep thinking about Hazard too he likes to score against Liverpool and then it’s Burnley at home could he could get a return like the other night feasibly in that fixture

    4. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Salah + Robbo

  18. FPL Scoop
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    What does Valery offer over Bednarek for the extra 0.1m it’ll cost me

    1. DR0GBA
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      he gives you 2 less letters to type out every time you do a RMWCT

      1. Majestic Chanka
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        That is worth it IMO

    2. Richd
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Attacking threat. Insane attacking threat for his price.

      1. FPL Scoop
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        Cheers. Hasn’t come to much so far though is all

        1. Richd
          • 13 Years
          6 years, 12 months ago

          Well he scored against Man Utd and spurs very recently ..

          1. FPL Scoop
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 12 months ago

            Fairs

            1. Richd
              • 13 Years
              6 years, 12 months ago

              He was on my bench and scored 6,7,7,6. So I started him last week and he got 1 😀

              1. FPL Scoop
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                6 years, 12 months ago

                That’s gotta hurt

    3. gaurava1216
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      More goal threat

    4. Ask Yourself
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      OOPeness

    5. Twisted Saltergater
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Dakes would know this 😕

  19. Scotty B
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    De Gea
    Pereira VVD Dunk
    Salah Richarlison Maddison Mane Son (c)
    Wilson Higuain

    Gunn Rondon Doherty Bednarek

    0 ITB & taken a -4 this week

    Bench & captain look right?

    1. DandyDon
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Think so. Good to see another non wildcard team! Id be tempted to play Doherty or rondon or higuain to be honest. I got rid of him this week and I’d fancy him to not play many minutes against liverpool after few poor performances. See how they play in Europe without on Thursday

  20. Richd
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Here’s a crazy one

    Ederson Ryan
    Robertson TAA Duffy Doherty Valery
    Salah Sterling Eriksen Son Jota
    Rashford Deeney Jiminez

    1. FPL Scoop
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Bit different aye. I probably prefer the likes of Vardy/Aguero and Mane over Salah and Rashford. Then swap Ederson out and you’re basically template 😆

      1. Richd
        • 13 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        I doubt I’ll go for it. Just curious with a Salah/pool team and how it looks 🙂

    2. Ask Yourself
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      looks real nice to me, you got a template draft along with that then? I have something a little different too am so bored of the template

    3. BUZZBOMB ♡
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Like it but would prefer Lloris/Foster and KDB instead of Ster. Going with my gut.

    4. Majestic Chanka
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      I like it but I like crazy!

      V Good midfield and balance team, well played sir

    5. DandyDon
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Ditch the double pool defence and increase rashford to Vardy/laca

  21. Phil's Stamps
    • 15 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    I see a lot of squads with JWP in, I had him too in most of my drafts.

    In case you've overlooked him, Holjberg's overall score and stats are almost exactly the same and that extra .7 allows the likes of a Dunk to Duffy and Jonny to Boly upgrade, amongst others.

  22. MASTER ROSHI
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    If money is no issue, Salah or Mane?

    1. _Ninja_
      • 15 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Salah

    2. ã…¤Rising
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Salah

    3. FPL Scoop
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      If money is actually no issue maybe Salah. I’ll likely get both by 36 though

    4. Richd
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Without money it’s salah every day

    5. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Mane

    6. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Salah
      Hes staying in my team

  23. Ask Yourself
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    i'm not messing around here I have a perfect WC team to showcase. Could you find an improvement/criticism for a prize?

    Ryan (BOU, CAR) // DDG

    Doherty (sou) Duffy (BOU, SOU) Laporte (cry) // TAA Valery

    Sterling (cry) Eriksen (HUD) Alli (HUD) Son (HUD) // Deulofeu

    Jimenez (sou) Firmino (CHE) Rashford (WHU)

    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      not messing about? what?

      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        • 14 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        a flaw is triple spurs imo though

        1. Ask Yourself
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 12 months ago

          just trying to bring some energy to the RMT. You think so? Great fixtures and have all the boys who score the points whilst kane is gone

    2. Emiliano Sala
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Alli won't be fit for hudds

      1. Ask Yourself
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        any evidence or? just a wrist injury. If not I have Deulofeu or TAA from the bench who I am more than happy with this week. want at least two of the spurs lads tho

        1. Planet Head
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          6 years, 12 months ago

          Feels like TAA will get the day off. Don't quote me on that though 🙂

          1. Ask Yourself
            • 9 Years
            6 years, 12 months ago

            Valery is cool too xx

            1. Planet Head
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              6 years, 12 months ago

              Yep he's currently on my draft bench along with TAA

              Ryan, Gunn
              Doherty, Duffy, Dunk, (Valery, TAA)
              Mane, Eriksen, Sterling, Son (Jota)
              Vardy, Jiménez, Auba

              0.3 ITB

              Auba's the top10k differential I'm thinking about

              1. Ask Yourself
                • 9 Years
                6 years, 12 months ago

                Yeah yours is sweet too I like the attack and mids a lot. Jota a lovely pick I couldn’t quite fit in

                1. Planet Head
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  6 years, 12 months ago

                  Thanks! Had a lucky season team value wise, plus Jota's been a nice differential for about 10 weeks now. Need a new sword!

              2. Ask Yourself
                • 9 Years
                6 years, 12 months ago

                About Auba tho. Emery doesn’t like those 2 playing together for some reason so not sure he gets two starts in the double at least if he’s a captain option. Could be a gem from now until the end tho

                1. Planet Head
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  6 years, 12 months ago

                  Feels like he's worth the risk right now. While part of me thinks "defending a potential first ever top 10k finish", Auba has always been prolific and has 2 home games against Palace and Brighton, against whom he's already scored away this season.

                  If he plays 90 minutes tomorrow, I'll rethink.

                2. Planet Head
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  6 years, 12 months ago

                  Could also do this one, with Sane as the diff:

                  Ryan, Gunn
                  TAA, Doherty, Duffy, Dunk, Valery
                  Sterling, Sane, Son, Eriksen, Jota
                  Vardy, Jiménez, Aguero

  24. Jimbo-Jones
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Any glaring oversights? 0.3 to spare.

    Ryan Foster
    Doherty Robertson Vertonghen Duffy Valery
    Sterling Son Mané JWP Deulofeu
    Aguero Jimenez Rashford

  25. nn11
    • 11 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Thoughts?
    Ryan lloris
    TAA Duffy kola Doherty valery
    Mane KDB Son Erickson Knockaert
    Aguero Jimmy deeney

    Thanks

  26. FPL Scoop
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Other than obviously ditching Pogba, see another way to get Eriksen in if you think he’s “essential” this week? 1.9 ITB

    Lloris Foster
    Robertson Duffy Laporte Doherty Valery
    Sterling Mane Pogba Son Jota
    Vardy Deeney Jimenez

    🙂

    1. Fantasy Premington
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Sterling and Vardy for him and Aguero?

      1. FPL Scoop
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        A possibility. Quite keen on holding V at least this week tho. May do sterling to erik if it sounds sterling may not play this week

        1. Fantasy Premington
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 12 months ago

          Was the same but just don’t want to be pencilling in somewhat necessary transfers, will mean a -4 if you get any injuries

    2. Ask Yourself
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      mate why are you not letting Pogba go come on

    3. DandyDon
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Home to West Ham. I will be leaving alone. Good chance they take down rashford or martial for a pen at least.

    4. Planet Head
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Aren't you a top lad anymore?

  27. Nigawan
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Anyone have Liverpool players for WC instead of DGW players?

    should I pick

    a) Laporte or TAA
    b) Sterling or Mane
    c) Lacazette or Firmino

    1. FPL Scoop
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      I do. Robbo and Mane in for me currently. Will likely have salah by 36.

      Really can’t decide could go either way
      Same, as I have both. Wait and see if we get any hints in pressers about sterling mins
      Firmino

      1. Nigawan
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        hmmm. maybe I should stick with DGW players ..

  28. Viper
    • 16 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    1. Aguero or Vardy?

    2. Mane or KDB?

    (WC)

    1. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Oooh that’s a good question mate I’d go Agüero and Mané I think

  29. Emiliano Sala
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 12 months ago

    Why not much love for moura? Kane is out and alli may be out for a while

    1. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 12 months ago

      Didn’t you just post a link that suggested alli is being made good to play despite the broken hand?

      1. Emiliano Sala
        • 9 Years
        6 years, 12 months ago

        hudds is too early

        1. Eat my goal!
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 12 months ago

          Maybe, just a hand tho

          Trying to work out which spurs to get is frustrating