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The Numbers Game – Team Stats Analysis – Attacking
Filed under: Members - Posted by: Paul
With time to reflect on the first three Gameweeks of the new season, we roll out the first of a two-part series of Members articles. Focussing on overall team stats, we analyse the performances in front of goal and at the back so far, slicing up the key data in order to ascertain the most impressive performers to date:
Using the featured table in conjunction with the Goal Threat table under Team Stats in the Members section, we turn our attentions to attacking potential thus far:
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Goalkeepers
| Player | Club | Factors | |
|---|---|---|---|
| No Change | Hart | MCI | B, Vs |
| Up | Cech | CHE | B, Vs |
| Up | Robles | WIG | C, Vs, £ |
| No Change | Lloris | TOT | C, Vs |
| No Change | Foster | WBA | C, Vs |
| No Change | Vorm | SWA | C, Vs |
| No Change | Mignolet | SUN | B, Vs |
| No Change | De Gea | MUN | A |
| Up | Boruc | SOT | B, Vs, £ |
| No Change | Jääskeläinen | WHM | A |
| No Change | Begovic | STO | C |
| No Change | Howard | EVE | A |
Defenders
| Player | Club | Factors | |
|---|---|---|---|
| No Change | Kompany | MCI | B, Vs, Rest |
| No Change | Vertonghen | TOT | A, Vs, Rest |
| Up | Luiz | CHE | A, Vs, Rest |
| No Change | Baines | EVE | A |
| Up | Boyce | WIG | C, Vs, OoP |
| Down | Bassong | NOR | B, Vs |
| Up | McAuley | WBA | C, Vs |
| Down | Johnson | LIV | B |
| Up | Jones | MUN | A |
| No Change | Sagna | ARS | B |
| Up | Huth | STO | C |
| No Change | Cuéllar | SUN | B, Vs, £ |
| No Change | Rangel | SWA | C, Vs |
| Up | Clyne | SOT | B, Vs, £ |
Midfielders
| Player | Club | Factors | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Up | Bale | TOT | A, Vs |
| No Change | Mata | CHE | C, Vs, Rest |
| Up | Walcott | ARS | C, OoP |
| Up | Hazard | CHE | B, Vs, Rest, Inj |
| Up | Maloney | WIG | B, Vs, £ |
| No Change | Y Touré | MCI | B, Vs |
| No Change | Silva | MCI | B, Vs, Inj |
| No Change | Fellaini | EVE | C |
| No Change | Coutinho | LIV | B |
| Up | Morrison | WBA | C, Vs |
| Down | Cazorla | ARS | C |
| No Change | Snodgrass | NOR | B |
| Up | Kagawa | MUN | B, Rest |
| Up | Walters | STO | B |
| Down | Lallana | SOT | C, Vs |
| Down | Sissoko | NEW | C |
Forwards
| Player | Club | Factors | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Up | Tevez | MCI | A, Vs, Rest |
| Up | Koné | WIG | B, Vs, £ |
| Down | van Persie | MUN | A, Vs |
| Up | Sturridge | LIV | B |
| Up | Lukaku | WBA | B, Vs, Rest |
| Up | Benteke | AVL | A |
| Down | Aguero | MCI | B, Vs, Inj |
| Up | Rodriguez | SOT | A, Vs, £ |
| Up | Defoe | TOT | B, Vs, Rest |
| Down | Lambert | SOT | C, Vs |
| Down | Rooney | MUN | C |
| Up | Carroll | WHM | A, VsX |
| Up | Ba | CHE | C, Vs, Rest |
| Down | Berbatov | FUL | C |
| Up | Cissé | NEW | B |
| Down | Remy | QPR | B |
Selection Factors
| A, B, C | Current Form |
|---|---|
| Vs | Favourable Fixtures |
| VsX | Unfavourable Fixtures |
| Rest | Rotation Risk |
| Inj | Injured/Returning from Injury |
| OoP | Out of Position |
| £ | Potential Bargain |
| Sus | Suspended/Near Suspension |
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September 9 at 9:16 am
Kostja says:
As I see people still struggling with UCL teams, gonna repost my UCL budget options, these are only preliminary shallow notes based on this season stats, so sample sizes may are a bit small. But this could still be helpful. I did not pay too much attention on defenders as I feel good defenders are a must in this format. The players named here should be nailed on as they have played the majority of the games held so far. If I got something wrong let me know.
AC Milan
Boateng-has taken most shots on goal this season and very attacking
Piazzini- takes pens, differ
Arsenal- Gibbs 4.5 very cheap and should be nailed on
Chelsea- Lamps 7 mil might miss some games but takes pens and is a solid option otherwise
Bayern Munich-
Manducic- only 8.5 mil is a steal until Mario Gomez is out.
Cluj
Cadu, pens cheap price 4 mil
Bate Borisov
Renan Bressan CAM- pen taker 4.5 mil
Nordsielland
Stockholm CM- pen taker 4.5 mil
Porto-
Jackson Martinez forward- pen taker 6.0
Shalke-
Uchida- 4mil cheap defender, started all games this season
Shaktar-
Henrick Mkhitarjan 11 goals 4 ast in 8 games this season( crazy stats) only 5.5 mil
Spartack moskva-
Kombarov top scorer this season 3 out of 6( possible pen taker, taken only 1 this season, but many took pens last season) 5mil
Dinamo Zagreb
Vida, Sammir- pen taker and top scorer 5 mil
Galatasaray-
Umut Bulut 5mil- top scorer this season, felipe melo- could take pens 5mil
Juventus-
Lichtensteiner super cheap 4.5 and should be nailed on defender in a top team and Vidal pen taker and very OOP
Lille
Pen taker- Payet
Manchester United-
Ryan Giggs 6 mil- gut feeling he is going to play most UCL games(like last season) and put up nice stats
Rafael, with no fit RBs in sight he is bound to get games in UCL too. 5mil Evra is also 5m
Montepellier-
Belhanda- pen taker 6mil
herrera- top scorer so far 5.5
Malaga
4mil defenders- Demichelis, Welington
Olympiacos-
Holebas could take penalties has taken half this season took many last season too and is a cheap 4mil defender
braga-
Michel top scorer this season 4.5
Benfica
Rodrigo is top scorer so far 5.5
September 9 at 9:22 am
tw says:
mind if I put this up on the council site (giving you credit of course)? and if you want the list ammended you can just let me or another council member know and we can change it for you. this way more people can see your good work and use it as a resource
September 9 at 9:24 am
MartinUnreal says:
link to this council site?
September 9 at 9:26 am
tw says:
http://uefacouncil.wordpress.com/
it’d be posted under the best of the community section (check it out! there’s some very useful stuff there) and would also show up on the main page
September 9 at 9:29 am
Berbilly Gilmore - Nuevo Gerente del Betis says:
I should be able to do write ups at least for the next few GWs but maybe then not again until November.
September 9 at 9:37 am
tw says:
alright. if you cant just try to let us know the first day of the gw that you won’t be able to and then we’ll find someone else to do it and we can go forward on a week by week basis i’m thinking. i’ll let you know if things change
September 9 at 9:44 am
Berbilly Gilmore - Nuevo Gerente del Betis says:
Sounds good.
September 9 at 9:25 am
Kostja says:
I dont mind at all, have been trying to post it for just that reason, so people would ammend it and suggest other good options. Just check spelling and I forgot to add Vidas price and the fact that he is a defender under Dynamo Zagreb. All stats based on Transfermarkt and some random betting sites.
September 9 at 9:36 am
tw says:
there you go! http://uefacouncil.wordpress.c.....of-kostja/
September 9 at 9:40 am
Kostja says:
great, looks very rough
Hoping for some nice constructive feedback.
September 9 at 9:42 am
Berbilly Gilmore - Nuevo Gerente del Betis says:
Mandžukic
September 9 at 9:43 am
Berbilly Gilmore - Nuevo Gerente del Betis says:
also while Gomez is out.
September 9 at 9:26 am
Count Of Monte Hristo - Heisenberg 1 Gus Fring 0 says:
Nice work
September 9 at 9:30 am
baulchy says:
cheers mate
September 9 at 9:31 am
Fred the Red says:
Very useful!! Muchas gracias!
September 9 at 9:48 am
JN says:
Nice post Kostja, I will not be playing this game, but this is the type of info I like if I was, Short, informative, and to the point. Gives a good base to carry out further research for people like myself who do not follow Euro football that much.
JN
September 9 at 9:53 am
Kostja says:
These were just notes for myself, but looked like some people will appreciate me posting these. As you can see, it is full of grammar mistakes and shht.
September 9 at 9:58 am
JN says:
Credit where credits due, correct grammar is not an issue.
September 9 at 10:03 am
samaael says:
great post bro, hows it going?
September 9 at 10:07 am
Kostja says:
Going pretty ok, my country just beat Serbia yesterday in basketball(second best team in europe) not in a friendly, so it was emotional stuff. But today I got to run 10 km with a slight fever, not so fun
September 9 at 10:12 am
samaael says:
estonia if i am not mistaken?
September 9 at 9:18 am
Hannibal Jack says:
Good morning/afternoon to you all. I have 3 questions,
1.Nasri to Cazorla for a 4 point hit? I already have Podolski
2.How serious is Ashley Cole’s injury? Enough to rule him out QPR game
3.Who to play, Friedel or Federici for the Spurs vs Reading game?
Thanks!
September 9 at 9:20 am
Fackinell says:
1. Probably not this week for a 4 hit.
2.no
3. Friedel
September 9 at 9:20 am
Kostja says:
1 no, Arsenal have 2 bad fixtures after the SOT game so you can wait with Carz especially if you got Poldi
2.Dont know, People get sent home from internationals for very little, but he could be out.
3.Friedel
September 9 at 9:26 am
Hannibal Jack says:
Thanks. On point n.o 1, if anything the Liverpool game has shown us that fixtures should not act as a deterrence towards overlooking certain players. All Arsenal’s attacking play is going through Santi and he has played exceptionally well this season.
September 9 at 9:27 am
Hannibal Jack says:
The 4 point hit is the only thing stopping me but I will get him after I wildcard in the next international break
September 9 at 9:32 am
Kostja says:
But he was due a goal there, his conversion rate is actually very bad as he takes most of his shots from outside the box. So there is no need to panic he wont be the new coming of Fabregas
September 9 at 9:40 am
Hannibal Jack says:
He doesn’t have the best conversion rate but 3 games is a small sample, Santi is leading all midfielders in chances created, through balls, successful passes in the final third, total shots and shots on target. I think he will be among the top scoring midfielders this season. His stats to date are impressive.
September 9 at 9:44 am
Kostja says:
Check this post out from my small fantasy diary. Youll see what I mean by bad conversion rate. I investigated his stats from his last season which was actually one of his best scoring wise. This was after GW1.
http://fantasyfootytips.blogsp.....rmers.html
September 9 at 9:22 am
Dogba says:
1. No IMO.
3. I’m wondering about this too, but I’m thinking Friedel. Tottenham have got to get a good match sometime soon, and I think he’ll start still.
September 9 at 9:29 am
Hannibal Jack says:
I hope so and AVB’s comments about Friedel remaining as N.O 1 is encouraging. Reading haven’t played for a long time too.
September 9 at 9:22 am
MartinUnreal says:
1. no the 4 point hit could hurt you and it might be wise to wait on Cazorla until fixtures are better
3. Friedel
September 9 at 9:32 am
Hannibal Jack says:
I guess I will wait and re-asses after GW 4. He is bound to rise tonight and that means I won’t be able to afford him by 0.1 and I want Santi long term
September 10 at 8:39 am
victory_is_mine says:
Firstly, do you have enough in the bank to take the hit on the price rise?
Secondly, taking a 4 point hit isn’t anything in the wider scheme of things especially when you’re talking about having Cazorla for the rest of the season….34 gws to go!! I would take the 4 point hit to make sure you secure him IMO.
Good luck
September 9 at 9:23 am
Dogba says:
I hate the international break. You get too much time to stare at your team. I went from thinking “ah, #1 in the two leagues I’m in, nice” to thinking “maybe I should just WC!?”.
September 9 at 9:33 am
Count Of Monte Hristo - Heisenberg 1 Gus Fring 0 says:
Yeah there is too much idle time. I just forget about my FPL team and started the UCL to stop me making any bad decisions.
September 9 at 9:26 am
Lachy484 says:
should i get rid of toure for carzola plz and replies r really helpful
September 9 at 9:32 am
Fred the Red says:
No Arsenal’s upcoming fixtures are very tough
September 9 at 9:34 am
Hannibal Jack says:
I’m facing the same conundrum albeit with a 4 point hit but if you have a free transfer I will do it irregardless of the fixtures.
September 9 at 9:36 am
GreennRed says:
Never. Toure is guaranteed points, more attacking than last season, Cazorla unproven in PL. Price difference goves you cash to splash.
September 9 at 9:47 am
Primigenia says:
Greenred makes a strong point. No argument about Yaya’s point return, especially during City’s good streaks. However, having seen the attacking style of Santi and the amount of goals that the Saints’ defense has allowed, it is possible that gwk4 could be the Spaniards’ breakthrough week. IMO
September 9 at 9:39 am
Daniel_tsl says:
well, toure has been consistent and i think he will be for the rest of the season, cazorla is starting to pick up but only since last week, though he has potential, i think you should just watch him for the next (few) game(s) and see if he can bring you good points, week-in, week-out, then add him
September 9 at 9:26 am
Arvinator says:
I’m new here and it’s my first fantasy season
I’ve used my wildcard during the break to make some profit and most of the players in my team are for profit. Are they good ones to buy? Any suggestions on who I should get for profit?
My team ATM(for profit, or at least a noob attempting to make some profit)
Vorm(Cerny)
Ivanovic Demel Reid McAuley MerteSacker.(bought most of them for the price they were at on(8sept)
Hazard cazorla michu toure sterling(had toure and hazard before GW started got michu and Cazorla recently Michu for 7.3)
RVP Tevez Pogbrenyak(Since GW 2 except pogbre)
Help?
September 9 at 9:31 am
baulchy says:
best 2 fwds for CL for 21.5 mil? Already have Messi.
September 9 at 9:33 am
Chris_White says:
Zlatan & Mandzukic
September 9 at 9:36 am
Kostja says:
+1
September 9 at 9:35 am
Hannibal Jack says:
Ronaldo and Soldado?
September 9 at 9:35 am
GreennRed says:
Tevez, Saviola.
September 9 at 9:37 am
Kostja says:
RVP and Mandzukic could be decent too.
September 9 at 9:52 am
baulchy says:
cheers guys
September 9 at 9:35 am
QPR expects...Taarabt to shine says:
Anyone worried that when ECL starts because of their group Citeh will have both Tevez & Agero play in the midweek competition then start with either Balotelli and/or Dzeko in Premier League games?
September 9 at 9:37 am
Kostja says:
One of Aguero or Tevez will always start in the PL IMO.
September 9 at 9:40 am
QPR expects...Taarabt to shine says:
Yes, but when it’s always the one you don’t have it may become a trifle annoying!
September 9 at 9:45 am
Kostja says:
It may for sure, big team strikers will be very annoying this season in general
September 9 at 9:39 am
MartinUnreal says:
Definitely, always a risk
September 9 at 9:36 am
Count Of Monte Hristo - Heisenberg 1 Gus Fring 0 says:
Any NFL fans here? If so can you predict a winner from these games?
Kansas City Chiefs v Atlanta Falcons
New York Jets v Buffalo Bills
Tampa Bay Buccaneers v Carolina Panthers
Green Bay Packers v San Francisco 49ers
September 9 at 9:39 am
GreennRed says:
Not really, still getting the hang of it, but I put in a team in the NFL FF.
Chiefs, Jets, Panthers ( Have Cam QB ???
), 49ers.
49ers, best defence in NFL, certs to beat Packers and almost certs for play-offs.
September 9 at 9:39 am
tw says:
sorta but haven’t been following much recently. here’s my best guesses though
falcons
jets
?
packers
September 9 at 9:41 am
QPR expects...Taarabt to shine says:
Huge NFL fan here
Falcons
Bills
Panthers
49ers
September 9 at 9:43 am
Count Of Monte Hristo - Heisenberg 1 Gus Fring 0 says:
Cheers lads
September 9 at 9:39 am
unitednations says:
My current WC team:
XXXX begovic
clark jenkinson rangel demel mcauly
hazard michu XXX fellani XXX
XXX rvp tevez
Have 26m in the bank….thoughts?
A:podolski + nolan + morrison + howard
B:podolski + barfa + maloney + mignolet
C:lambert + cazorla + morrison/nolan + mignolet
D: any other thoughts on the team?
critisize away:D
September 9 at 9:45 am
bkerr1 says:
I like C with Morrison. Not convinced on podolski yet……
September 9 at 9:48 am
QPR expects...Taarabt to shine says:
Wonder whether Giroud’s injury will linger? If it does, Podolski playing through the middle linking up with Cazorla may well be FPL gold
September 9 at 9:51 am
GreennRed says:
Ah, Giroud is injured. That’s why he’s shite
September 9 at 9:47 am
GreennRed says:
Taking liberties and haven’t priced it but here’s my suggestion !
Foster begovic
clark jenkinson rangel demel Cuellar
hazard michu Ben Arfa fellani Nolan
Lambert RVP tevez
Howard and Mignolet don’t rotate with Begovic and West Broms defence is improved under Clark so Foster is a good choice.
September 9 at 9:58 am
unitednations says:
thanks but i need either cazorla or podolski in my team…
September 9 at 10:06 am
GreennRed says:
No you don’t. Ben Arfa will get as many points as Cazorla. Much more attacking and playing closer to goal with two great strikers. Arsenal have one very good striker and GIroud. Podolski good but Lambert will get nearly as many goals if not more for a lot less.
September 9 at 9:39 am
facer says:
Morning Chaps
anybody got a link to the top 20 total fpl points scorers from last year? (and the year before if possible) I thought Chris Glover did an article covering this, but I can’t seem to find it…
September 9 at 9:40 am
Rather-Ford says:
maxi whats your ucl code? On9 from mobile, cant search much
September 9 at 9:42 am
facer says:
you still about Kaz? sorry man, i had a client…what made you change your mind from playing 5 in midfield? was it based on the breakdown of top 20 points scorer mid/forward distributions?
September 9 at 9:46 am
Smurf says:
A bit random, but I will be in California for 3 weeks next August. I would love to watch a Baseball game, NFL match, a basketball game and an ice hockey match.
Am I right in thinking that only the Baseball season is on during August and the rest will not be in season?
September 9 at 9:49 am
tw says:
where in cali? its an NFL game just btw
NFL starts beginning of september. you could catch a pre-season game though
MLB will be in season
nba will not be in season but you could see a wnba game
and I have no clue about NHL sorry…
September 9 at 9:50 am
GreennRed says:
I think so. Might be college pre-season games?
September 9 at 10:06 am
QPR expects...Taarabt to shine says:
Colleges don’t play pre-season games. Soz
September 9 at 9:51 am
Count Of Monte Hristo - Heisenberg 1 Gus Fring 0 says:
NHL season September > February
NBA season October > April
NFL season September > February
MLB season April > September with playoffs in October
September 9 at 9:52 am
tw says:
don’t forget wnba and mls
September 9 at 9:55 am
Count Of Monte Hristo - Heisenberg 1 Gus Fring 0 says:
women’s basketball. No thanks
September 9 at 9:58 am
Nitin Nagaraja says:
You still here?
September 9 at 9:56 am
Berbilly Gilmore - Nuevo Gerente del Betis says:
NBA playoffs April > June.
September 9 at 9:53 am
Old Glory says:
I’m American.
You can see baseball, NFL and NHL wont be in season, and neither will basketball.
September 9 at 9:55 am
Smurf says:
Thanks for the replies.
I will be in LA, San Francisco & San Diego. What is the atmosphere like at a pre season NFL game? Will it be as quiet as pre season football games over here?
September 9 at 9:59 am
GreennRed says:
Forget the baseball in San Diego. The Zoo is class, apparently world class!, Seaworld is good. The Old Town is cool. Was there a few weeks ago. Allegedly Legoland is good but a bit far out of town.
September 9 at 10:18 am
Old Glory says:
San Diego zoo is awesome. Very very recommended. NFL preseason is boring, they play the starters for like 3 series and shut them down.
September 9 at 10:35 am
Old Glory says:
Legoland is a bit far out of town??? San Diego and Anaheim are not close
September 9 at 10:00 am
QPR expects...Taarabt to shine says:
Pre-season? Oh geez. Like going to the library.
No one wants to be there but as most NFL teams make you buy pre-season games with your season ticket people turn up anyway and spend the time chatting, drinking and eating rather than watching the scrubs play
September 9 at 10:01 am
Smurf says:
Ok thanks. Looks like just MLB it is then
September 9 at 9:56 am
QPR expects...Taarabt to shine says:
Been there done the lot
I’ve been to 50+ NFL games and am headed to NY on Thursday then Charlotte, NC to watch my Giants play. Nothing like it.
NHL is good but only if you’re down low and close to the action. The game is like light speed but having players smash their noses up against the glass right in front of you and blood go everywhere is great!
NBA? Buy tickets after the game starts, drink heavily and then watch for final two mins. It’s the only time it’s worth watching!
Baseball? Remember that Simpson’s episode where Homer can’t drink and says ‘I never knew the game was so boring’? He’s right!!!! Like watching paint dry!
September 9 at 10:02 am
Count Of Monte Hristo - Heisenberg 1 Gus Fring 0 says:
Haha great analysis. A few guys I know said it was torture watching baseball. Not a good sport at all.
September 9 at 10:02 am
GreennRed says:
50 NFL games ? Must be loaded !
September 9 at 10:05 am
QPR expects...Taarabt to shine says:
Single. Plus I’ve been going 20+ years now! Went to my first game at 19 and been every year since except when I bought my flat in 2000
September 9 at 10:11 am
GreennRed says:
Fair play. I’m living in Abq nearly two years now. Say a minor league baseball game. Boring but you can drink pints so it had some compensations. The Lobos college basketball team are decent, wanna go and see them before I head home probably next year.
Went through Charlotte to Dublin before. Looks nice, very green. It’s a popular NASCAR or Indy car venue?
September 9 at 9:50 am
baulchy says:
Best team?? Not much difference but anyway. Feel free to make changes to my team and any ideas.
A.) 4-3-3
Sirigu
Alba Rafael Gibbs
Hazard Santi Shirokov Pirlo
Messi Ronaldo Pazzini/Mandzukic
Subs: Malafeev Vida Demichelis Tomas
B.) 3-5-2
Sirigu
Alba Rafael Gibbs
Hazard Santi Shirokov Pirlo Boateng
Messi Ronaldo
Subs: Malafeev Vida Demichelis Michel
or
C.) 4-4-2
Sirigu
Alba Rafael Gibbs Ramos
Hazard Santi Shirokov Pirlo
Messi Ronaldo
Subs: Malafeev Demichelis Tomas Michel
cheers
September 9 at 9:53 am
Giggs Boson - Gw6: The Battle for Jenna-Louise Coleman says:
What is Berbasex?
September 9 at 9:58 am
Optimus says:
http://thebusbyway.com/2012/07.....-overload/
September 9 at 9:59 am
Giggs Boson - Gw6: The Battle for Jenna-Louise Coleman says:
I see…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4bo5oOXSk
September 9 at 9:54 am
Count Of Monte Hristo - Heisenberg 1 Gus Fring 0 says:
Crawley 4/6 to beat Portsmouth today. Are Pompey terrible now?
September 9 at 10:41 am
v12w12 says:
Looks a good shout. Anyone else?
September 10 at 7:06 pm
Horse says:
Think Pompey will win 3-0
September 9 at 9:55 am
Gaz Downright says:
whats up lads
September 9 at 9:58 am
baulchy says:
the sky you?
September 9 at 10:04 am
Crouch Potato says:
Morning Gaz, and everybody else, just read a report saying Swansea are close to a deal for former Dutch u21 Dwight Tiendalli as cover for Neil Taylor.
September 9 at 10:18 am
Gaz Downright says:
loan deal then?
September 9 at 9:59 am
tw says:
off to bed, night lads!
September 9 at 10:01 am
Optimus says:
just getting up myself..night mate
September 9 at 10:00 am
Willis_Hide says:
New post laddies.
September 9 at 10:27 am
GreennRed says:
Cheeky
September 9 at 10:01 am
cag6117 says:
What are your thoughts on:
1) Noble?
2) De Gea?
3) Bale?
September 9 at 10:40 am
v12w12 says:
1 Yes
2 No
3 Not yet
September 9 at 10:40 am
v12w12 says:
Is Lampard likely to be rotated all season?
September 9 at 1:03 pm
mazzarscar...the wholy trinity says:
mcclean or pienaar first five……..