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Trent Alexander-Arnold (£7.5m) or Andrew Robertson (£7.0m): who makes your Fantasy Premier League (FPL) squad in Gameweek 1?

Alexander-Arnold was the top-scoring defender in 2021/22, with 208 points placing him third in the overall player standings. However, since the turn of the year, Robertson outscored his team-mate by a whopping 37 points and is also available for half a million less.

Is Alexander-Arnold a no-brainer, then? Can Robertson compete with his fellow full-back? And is double Liverpool defence worth considering?

In this, our latest Fantasy Football Scout Premium Members article, we’ll attempt to answer those questions.

ALEXANDER-ARNOLD v ROBERTSON: FPL RETURNS 2021/22

Salah's role one to monitor in FPL as Alexander-Arnold continues forays infield 2

Across the course of 2021/22, Alexander-Arnold finished 22 points ahead of his Scottish colleague, producing eight double-digit hauls, two goals, 12 assists, 18 clean sheets and 32 bonus points.

Meanwhile, Robertson racked up 186 points, courtesy of six double-digit hauls, three goals, 11 assists, 17 clean sheets and 23 bonus points.

Robertson mustered 6.4 points per match as he appeared in 32 Premier League fixtures, while Alexander-Arnold produced 6.5 points per match across 34 outings.

Robertson’s second double-digit haul arrived in Gameweek 22, when Alexander-Arnold already had six to his name, which drives home the fact that the Scotsman was the more viable Fantasy asset to own in the second half of 2021/22. Indeed, Robertson only blanked in three of his last 21 starts in a run that went all the way back to Gameweek 13.

However, an advantage for Alexander-Arnold appears once we start looking at the underlying statistics.

ALEXANDER-ARNOLD v ROBERTSON: ASSIST POTENTIAL

In-form Robertson an appealing FPL differential for Gameweek 23 and beyond

Alexander-Arnold grabbed 12 assists in 2021/22 and retains his title as the most creative Liverpool asset, leading the way among teammates for chances created (90) and big chances created (18).

And he could arguably have had more: his expected assists (xA) tally was 13.01, one higher than the actual assist total he ended up with.

Unsurprisingly, his overall xA figure was by far the best in the Premier League last season:

While Alexander-Arnold registered an impressive 12 assists in 2021/22, Robertson came very close to his colleague, posting a total of 11.

However, Robertson trails Alexander-Arnold by a considerable margin when we look at chances created (55), big chances created (nine) and xA (5.52).

Even from Gameweek 13 onwards – the start of Robertson’s fine run of form – Alexander-Arnold created 2.55 chances per 90 minutes, compared to the left-backs 2.14, while he was also ahead for big chances created per 90 minutes (0.45 to 0.39) and xA per 90 minutes (0.37 to 0.22).

ALEXANDER-ARNOLD v ROBERTSON: GOAL THREAT


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  1. MattLevett
    • 17 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Question for the hive mind. Do we have a playing Forward for 5.0 could possibly stretch to 5.5 ?

    1. Bartowski
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Broja possibly if he moves or if Chelsea don't sign another striker.

      1. gart888
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        If Chelsea don't sign another striker he's still not starting over Havertz or even Werner up front.

        1. Bartowski
          • 15 Years
          4 years, 4 days ago

          Werner is being mooted with a transfer to Juve. I can see Havertz playing the bigger games and Broja starting the others with Havertz moving back to his natural postion.

          1. No Professionals
            • 8 Years
            4 years, 4 days ago

            Broja was a flop at Southampton, no way he gets trusted at Chelsea

            1. Bartowski
              • 15 Years
              4 years, 4 days ago

              In none of the multiverses was Broja a flop at Soton. He was on a good run then got injured. Have no idea what you're basing that on.

              1. @persecuted_by_mods
                4 years, 4 days ago

                While I wouldn't call him a flop he did recover from the injury and did very little

                1. Bartowski
                  • 15 Years
                  4 years, 4 days ago

                  Soton were atrocious after xmas and he was in and out of the team so I don't think that's on him.

              2. No Professionals
                • 8 Years
                4 years, 4 days ago

                Stats

                1. Bartowski
                  • 15 Years
                  4 years, 4 days ago

                  So you made a judgment on a few numbers you saw on the FPL site, didn't watch any games, didn't know he had a bad injury that he struggled to recover from and don't watch enough of the PL to know Soton were in relegation form after Christmas. Good to know.

      2. Stamford B
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        He won’t be featuring for Chelsea. He’s been left out of the pre season tour and been told he can leave by Tuchel. If he goes to a club as the main striker he’ll be an option. West Ham are favourites apparently.

        1. Bartowski
          • 15 Years
          4 years, 4 days ago

          Ah wasn't aware of the pre season story. They'll probably need that £30 million from West ham to help pay for De Ligt.

    2. waltzingmatildas
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Seen a few people talking up Undav at 5.5 for Brighton

    3. lugs
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      for 5.5 i see Undav been mentioned alot, no idea how nailed he'll be though, also A Armstrong at Southampton should play if they don't get another forward

    4. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Undav at 5.5m only one with real potential.

    5. The Mentaculus
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Mateta or Edouard, depending on which way the wind is blowing. Palace forwards were a rotation nightmare though

    6. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      What's the situation with Gelhardt and Greenwood? They both played in the end of the season.

      1. No Professionals
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Bamford back, gelhardt becomes back up, greenwood becomes bit part

    7. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Tough with the cheap forwards this year, they even priced up Keinan Davis by 1m to 5.5m

      1. Ser Davos
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        A viable option if he gets a move. Watched him at Bramall Lane on Sky and he was rampaging

  2. Bartowski
    • 15 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Are there any good Fantasy Football podcasts?

    1. The Mentaculus
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      I haven't exactly sampled many so this might be a really obvious answer, but I like Black Box / The Wire

      1. Deulofail
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Sheeeeeit

    2. FPL Daniel
      • 17 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      tons off

      1. Bartowski
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        The only podcast I can find called 'tons off' appears to be a diet podcast for obese people but thanks anyway.

    3. Herger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      I’ve been around a bit and Planet FPL is by far my favourite.

      1. Deulofail
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Listened to one for the first time yesterday, and found that it didn't piss me off too much, so I'd recommend it.

        1. Herger
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          4 years, 4 days ago

          A good start 😆

      2. Bartowski
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Cheers. I'll give it a try.

    4. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Black Box is great, though can be a bit long! Tbh there is an overwhelming amount of FPL content around nowadays

      1. Bartowski
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        I know. That's why I asked for recommends. Too many for me to be arsed finding out for myself...

    5. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Always cheating is easily the best, funny and informative

      1. Bartowski
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Cheers. I'll download an episode.

    6. They are all a bit shite if we are being honest, unless you are a proper casual - BlackBox (purely due to Mark) and the Wire are probably the only passable ones, whilst FML FPL divides opinion, but those that like it seem to really like it.

      1. Andy_Social
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Who Got The Assist

        1. Bartowski
          • 15 Years
          4 years, 4 days ago

          Cheers.

    7. Stamford B
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Fpl wire is the best imo. Green arrow ok too.

      1. Bartowski
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Added Green Arrow to the list. Ta.

        1. Stamford B
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 4 days ago

          Depends what you want from a pod really. If you want a laugh listen to Fmlfpl. If you want advise then Fplwire is the best. Most are done by very average players not really worth listening to.

  3. Sad Pablo Arsecobar
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    A. De bruyne trippier

    B. Cancelo sterling

    1. Lemonade
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      cancelo foden and save 2m?

    2. lugs
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      A for me

    3. XX SMICER XX
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      A

    4. cravencottage
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Cancelo Mahrez

    5. DantheManinaPan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Only Cancelo from those 4 for me

  4. Jordan.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    pickford
    trent//trippier//laporte
    bowen//mount//jwp//diaz
    haaland//johnson//kane

    begovic//tomiyasu//andreas /nico

    1. Bobby Digital
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Different

  5. MattLevett
    • 17 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Thanks for your advice guys. Was just checking incase ive missed anyone!

  6. Lemonade
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    No love for Havertz?

    1. XX SMICER XX
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Yes, but I fear rotation

      1. Lemonade
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        see the thing is I don't want not to have him, not so much from a fpl perspective but because I like him as a player and I feel this season might just be his year, although I had the exact same feeling last year and he hasn't exactly delivered

  7. XX SMICER XX
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Goalkeeper dilemma:
    1. Arsenal set and forget £9.0m with Dunk £4.5m
    2. Brighton set and forget £8.5m with Tom/White £4.5m & £0.5m spare

    1. Geriatric Unathletic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      2. with Tomy

  8. Legohair
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    What would you chance?

    Raya
    TAA-Cancelo-James-Perisic
    Salah-Dias-Martinelli-Neto
    Haaland-Jesus

    4.0,Tomiasu,Pereira,Greenwood

    I now its quite early and template, obviously Martinelli will drop if Arsenal sign good winger. Dias could also switch to Kulusevski.

    1. XX SMICER XX
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Perisic to 4.5m
      Will Martinelli start?
      Lots of options at Dias price point

      1. Legohair
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        I do believe Martinelli will start and potentially 10+goals season for him.

        1. XX SMICER XX
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 4 days ago

          I really like him as a player, great fantasy price. Just worried with Smith-Rowe & Europa league

          1. Legohair
            • 10 Years
            4 years, 4 days ago

            Martinelli will probably start premier league and will be subbed 70+mins,im sure ESR play more in UEL than Martinelli

  9. sirmorbach
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Teasing the following threemium assuming we'll find a playing 4.5 mid for first sub. Reckless?

    Henderson
    TAA, Cancelo, Trippier, Justin, Tomiyasu
    Salah, Saka, Neto
    Kane, Haaland

    1. waltzingmatildas
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      If you are set on those three premiums, it looks good. I'm sure there will be a playing 4.5 mid

      1. sirmorbach
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Many thanks, sir!

    2. XX SMICER XX
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Risk is rotation when champs league starts.
      I think you need to have at least 1, probably 2 playing subs

      1. sirmorbach
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Cheers!

    3. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Keep an eye on Gibbs white if he leaves wolves could quite easily do better than Neto who quite likely will do nothing!

      1. sirmorbach
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Agreed. On my watchlist! Cheers!

  10. waltzingmatildas
    • 15 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Looking good?
    Ederson
    TAA Robbo Cancelo James Jansson
    Salah Mount Rashford
    Vardy Jesus
    (4.0 3x4.5s)

    1. sirmorbach
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Love the Vardy pick.

      1. waltzingmatildas
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Cheers!

    2. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      I like the look of this too, maybe Justin not jannson though

  11. Kabayan
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Which one?
    A. Raya - Cash - Trippier - L.Diaz
    Or
    B. Alison - James - Perisic - 5.5mid

    Need to decide last spot from Liverpool.

    1. waltzingmatildas
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Probably A. Not keen on Robbo?

      1. Kabayan
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        I want, but have to compromise elsewhere

    2. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      I wouldn't get Liv gk. Third Liv spot is simply too expensive to be wasted. Reasons mentioned in the article^.

    3. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      A for certain

  12. Lemonade
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    latest draft lol
    thoughts?

    Travers
    Robbo - Jonny - Cancelo
    Foden - Son - Martinelli - Diaz
    Haaland - Johnson - Havertz

    Bench : 4m / Malacia / Murphy / Niakhaté

    Cheers folks

    1. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Back to drawing board!

    2. cravencottage
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Not great

      1. Lemonade
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        What would you change?

    3. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      At least it’s different, havertz will be a waste of money though

    4. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Havertz is the biggest issue sucking money from defense, Robbo over TAA smaller, no Salah is naturally obvious. Bench is also poor.

  13. ekul the lokonga enthusiast
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    jacob ramsey or neto?

  14. ekul the lokonga enthusiast
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    pick one

    a) ramsey
    b) neto
    C) wissa

    1. cravencottage
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      C- most upside

  15. Jordan.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    enjoyable tinkering,slow day in the office

    pickford
    trent / cash / trippier
    martinelli / diaz / fernandes / mount
    haaland / johnson / kane

    begovic / tomi / andreas / neco

    fernandes/kane could be salah/wilson
    plenty of time to think ,i do enjoy switching it around ,one of the best parts of the season for me

  16. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Anyone else think the new comparison tool is cack?
    Is was great before, why mess with it?

    1. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Yep. Tried to compare Robbo (pre Diaz) and Robbo (post Diaz) but the 2nd Robbo had no data. Can't get it to work.

      The layout is always janky on whatever device and takes forever to load anything.

      Can't log into the old members area for some reason.

      1. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        I hope they sort it out, it's frustrating

  17. Toothis
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Do we think Sterling might get minutes up front for Chelsea in Lukaku's absence?

    Could do Trippier, Saka, Diaz --> Mings, Sterling, Rashford if they're both OOP.

    1. Jordan.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      im more inclined to think he will play on the wing ,probably giving chilwell more space

  18. fantasyfog
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    I'm planning on a 532

    It comes down to this, Haaland Vs Son, potential Vs proved

    Who would you prefer?

    Haaland gives me 2 city (Cancelo) but no Spurs

    Other certs are Salah Diaz Jesus Cancelo Trent Tomi

  19. clarkey_2000
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Likelihood of Haaland and Jesus being on pens?

    1. No Professionals
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Haaland I would say 99%, don’t think Jesus will be he’s got a pretty bad record

    2. Jordan.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      haaland yep,jesus no

  20. No Professionals
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Rotation being referenced a lot, but rotation for top players isn’t really a thing at the start of the season whilst only playing a game a week.

  21. The Train Driver
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Salah-less start for me since I am more confident that Diaz is a much better "replacer" for Salah than Kulusevski is for Son, and it's 1m cheaper.

    1. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      I like this thinking and agree entirely

    2. No Professionals
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      The problem is captaincy. Salah does his usual opening day demolition job and you’re already in panic mode

      1. The Train Driver
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Have Haaland and Son in my team which are both C material, even Diaz could be.

        1. No Professionals
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 4 days ago

          Yeah could be. Don’t fancy Haaland gw1 (as captain anyway). Don’t see Dias as the kind of player to get big hauls.

  22. sirmorbach
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Please, pick one letter and one number:

    A. Bowen, Martinelli / Brennan Johnson
    B. Coutinho, Pedro Neto / Jesus

    1. Cash, Luis Diaz
    2. Robbo, Pedro Neto

    1. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      A1

      1. sirmorbach
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Many thanks!

  23. Arn De Gothia
    • 15 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Out of boredom I came up with (for me) different strategy. Do you guys think it could survive with a few tweeks?

    4,5 / 4,5
    James / Laporte / TAA / White / Botman

    Kulu / Maddison / Mount / Diaz / Saka

    Haaland / Johnson / 4,5

    0,5 ITB

    It’s different but not so shabby?

    1. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      I’m trying to fault it but apart from mount I’m finding it hard! How about mount to martinelli, Johnson to Wilson ?

      1. Arn De Gothia
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        It’s all possible, all mids are 8,0

  24. Bobby Digital
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Mount or Kulu? No other Spurs or Chelski cover.

    1. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Kulu more explosive and bigger ceiling

      1. Bobby Digital
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        Cheers!

  25. the dom 1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Hi All,

    Need a little help please. I have 5.0m to spend on my last MID position.

    Recommendations at 5.0m please

    Cheers

    1. Nuka Girl
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Moutinho getting the minutes still?

      1. the dom 1
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        i'm on him now, just seeing if i may have missed another plum player at that price range.

        1. One or several may emerge over the next month due to injuries/transfers/pre-season, and if there is everyone will hear about and be on it. No rush.

    2. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      You would be as well just getting Andreas for 4.5m and either keep .5 in bank to cover price increases or spend elsewhere

      1. the dom 1
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        will he be a starter every week though?

        1. dunas_dog
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 4 days ago

          if move to Fulham goes though then yes-

          1. the dom 1
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 4 days ago

            very true

        2. TheBiffas
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 4 days ago

          Many think so

  26. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    Assuming Justin looks a starter preseason is this a decent enough defence. Paired it back to x 2 4.5’s and Trippier to allow second 8 m midfielder- Mount L Díaz for now. No Chelsea defence but unclear how they will be set up.

    Raya
    TAA Trippier Justin Cancelo
    Salah Kulusevski L Díaz Neto
    Haaland Jesus

    Ward Tomiyasu Andreas Greenwood

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      * sorry Kulusevski L Díaz for now

  27. Dacra
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    TEam can look so much better without Salah..

    Mendy (4.0)
    Taa - Cancelo - Chilwell - Perisic (4.5)
    Diaz - Mount - Martinelli (4.5, 4.5)
    Nunez - Haaland - Jesus

    1.0 itb

    1. Dacra
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Mount > Kulu actually

    2. No Professionals
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      So basically you’re getting Nunez and mount over Salah and Neto…

  28. apprehensivepipe4
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    RMT

    Raya (Begovic)

    TAA, Robertson, Dias, Ait-Nouri, Tomiyasu

    KDB, Dias, Mount (Gordon, Pereira)

    Kane, Jesus (Greenwood)

  29. Tea for the Tielemans
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    With the fixture congestion this season, how many non-playing bench slots are you planning to have?

    One keeper and one outfield player (F) whose role is simply to be cheap?

    Raya (Balcombe)
    TAA, Cancelo, Chilly, Perisic, Tomiyasu
    Son, Luis Diaz, Coutinho, Neto (Andreas)
    Haaland, Jesus (Greenwood)

    Tomi or Neto first off bench depending on matchups. Pereira lingering about to cover surprise rotation victims.

    1. Bobby Digital
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Jonny and Andreas are my playing subs. Greenwood non-playing.

      1. No Professionals
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 4 days ago

        You assume Andreas gets in Fulham’s team. I expect him to flop to be honest.

        1. Bobby Digital
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 4 days ago

          Well then there's Jonny! 😛

  30. Chris_l25
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 4 days ago

    RMT

    Henderson, Ward
    TAA, Chilwell, Jansson, Burn, 4.0
    Salah, Diaz, Bowen, Mount, Wissa
    Haaland, Solanke, 4.5

    Was set on Son but didn't feel like my team was balanced enough with him in it. Brentford and Newcastle fixtures rotate quite well early doors so wanted some defensive cover from them

    1. TheBiffas
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 4 days ago

      Burn isn't nailed. Get Botman