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22 February 2023 516 comments
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Throughout the 2022/23 Fantasy Premier League (FPL) season, our team of Pro Pundits, Hall of Famers and guest contributors will be sharing their thoughts, tips and own transfer plans.

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Here, former champion Simon March looks at the players with infamous reputations in FPL.

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If you’ve played FPL for long enough, there’s a good chance that there is at least one player who, despite them seeming to perform well most of the time, and definitely for your rivals, they never quite seem to do it for you. The classic phrase in FPL circles is ‘I’ve been burned by them in the past’ and it’s a widely accepted justification to label that player ‘a troll’ and subsequently avoid them like the plague.

The problem is, most of the players who we individually label ‘trolls’ also somehow manage to be among the highest-scoring players in the game, if not for the whole season, then for parts of it at least. To write them off completely means we’re also writing off our chances of gaining those points.

So why, when we consider a player, do some of us see trolls while others see assets? Is it a bias and, if so, how do we overcome it? These questions will be the focus of this article.

Beware of Trolls

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Top of mind right now when it comes to this type of player is Manchester City’s Riyad Mahrez (£7.8m) who, due to his alleged ‘troll-like’ behaviour in the past (appearing to be a really good option before immediately losing all form or being unexpectedly dropped from the team altogether), was overlooked by many as an option ahead of City’s first of two recent Double Gameweeks. Unfortunately for those managers, Mahrez went on to score 40 points in his next four Gameweeks. Fortunately for those who did avoid him, he then got benched completely in Gameweek 24. So maybe they had a point.

But Mahrez is far from the only player with this reputation, Chelsea’s Reece James (£5.8m) is another contemporary FPL asset whose inevitable hauls appear to require monk-like patience and surgical precision in order to hit. Even Eden Hazard, one of the best FPL assets in recent memory, was tagged by some with the ‘troll’ label. 

For me, if you’re interested, that player was former Arsenal, Man City and West Ham United midfielder Samir Nasri, who I owned countless times throughout my FPL career, yet I somehow never managed to get as much as an assist out of him. All of these players are or were, statistically at least, good FPL assets. So why do they end up trolling us?

It’s our fault

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To some extent, the reason we label FPL players as trolls is down to us. Our personal experience of the world is only a fraction of what is actually going on, yet it tends to disproportionately influence how we perceive it. 

The same applies to FPL and, consequently, since we cannot own all the FPL players all of the time, our perceptions of FPL assets will be based heavily on our own personal experiences with them. If we owned a player and they frustrated us by blanking, we may well view that player as a ‘troll’. Since personal experience is usually a more powerful influence on our beliefs than objective data, we might be reluctant to ever own that player again, even if the stats suggest that they are a good asset and that we were just unfortunate at the time.

Of course, this works both ways and we might put undue faith in players who we did happen to own in their better moments. It’s for this exact reason that I have to often physically restrain myself from transferring in Aston Villa’s Danny Ings (£6.4m) because, if Ings actually scored in general at the level that he has somehow managed to score when I’ve owned him in FPL, he’d be talked about alongside the like of Lionel Messi and Gerd Muller. I think most of us have one or two of these ‘favourites’ for whom our soft spots aren’t quite accurate reflections of reality.

Finally, we have to factor in the possibility that, sometimes, we jump on players who we were simply wrong to put our faith in in the first place. Lots of players can go on a run of scoring points and it’s up to us to determine whether or not this is sustainable. If we transfer in a player who is somehow finishing every chance they take, for example, there’s a good chance that their run won’t continue and we’ll be disappointed. It’s unfair to label these players ‘trolls’ when, in reality, we’ve mostly trolled ourselves.

No, it’s their fault

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Certain players are, however, objectively more prone to troll-like behaviour, though this still doesn’t mean they’re necessarily bad FPL assets.

A key characteristic of FPL trolls is a tendency to score in an inconsistent or erratic manner and there is a strong likelihood that they also play in a team with a high number of fixtures, various alternative options in their squad and a tendency to rotate.

If you want to get points from these types of players, you almost have no option but to keep them in your team and persist with them through the blanks and the benchings until they do eventually score. Then you have to hope that, when they do come, those scores will be worth your patience. 

Sometimes they are. A player who scores a huge haul every few Gameweeks but blanks in the others is often as good, in pure point-scoring terms, as a player who consistently racks up smaller scores more regularly.

It really comes down to what you are willing to stomach and, if you prefer a greater level of consistency in your squad, you’re probably better off avoiding players with these particular characteristics.

Summary

Because our personal experiences are hugely influential on the way we perceive things, we are prone to judging FPL players disproportionately based on our own histories with them. Consequently, we tend to feel trolled by, or sometimes overly enamoured with, certain players based on whether we owned them in their worst or best moments.

Either perspective is probably somewhat divorced from objective reality and, therefore, allowing it to guide our FPL decisions can backfire in all sorts of negative ways. As always, it’s a good idea to sense-check our gut decisions against a more impartial data source wherever possible.

That said, it’s not all in our heads and some players genuinely do demonstrate troll-like behaviour, especially those who tend to score erratically or in short, unsustainable bursts. We may need to demonstrate greater patience in order to get the best out of the former and greater rigour in our analysis if we want to spot, and perhaps avoid, the latter.



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  1. THE SHEEP HUNTERS
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Kev are you going to be alright for Saturday or what?

    1. The FPL Units
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Touch and go

      1. THE SHEEP HUNTERS
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        Ooof!

  2. Eleven Hag
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Saka vs Salah

    Captain who and why?

    1. notlob legin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Saka for consistency
      Salah for a higher potential

      I'm therefore on Salah as potentially a higher upside

    2. Ask Yourself
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Saka for me

    3. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Saka since I don’t like the idea of backing someone who appears to look good due to keeper errors!

      1. Arteta
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        What about those two classy assists?

    4. Eleven Hag
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Saka it is then

  3. Gizzachance
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Thoughts
    Patterson to Tark
    1 Shaw 2 botman to taa for free
    Kulu to Gakpo-4 ?
    Cheers

  4. dannyreeves1977
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Morning all. Which combo scores most points in GW25:

    A. Gakpo, Tarkowski, Mitro
    B. Darwin, McNeil, Ake
    C. Darwin, Iwobi, Ake

    Difficult one...

    1. THE SHEEP HUNTERS
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      I'm toying with the idea of putting the armband on Tarks. A

    2. The Mentaculus
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      With Laporte ill I'm much more optimistic about an Aké start. Probably C of those

      1. dannyreeves1977
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        Good shout. If Ake plays removes the issue around Mitro being injured.

    3. BERGKOP
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      A

  5. juicewagz
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Gakpo + TAA > KDB + Lewis for a -8? 4 games vs potentially zero games. Have Salah already.

    1. FourLokoLeipzig
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      You may come out slightly in profit this week, but doesn’t look great beyond that unless you plan to wildcard in 26/27

      1. juicewagz
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        Why? Lewis doesn't play and KDB is ill. Both don't have a GW28 fixture either. Liverpool will if Fulham lose in FA Cup

        1. FourLokoLeipzig
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 5 days ago

          Would you really want to hold Gakpo and TAA through 28 though when you probably want to be loading up on Brentford and especially Brighton? Liverpool’s defence is awful at the moment so TAA is terrible value, and Gakpo’s going to be sharing game time. The only possible Liverpool hold for me would be Nunez (who I don’t have), but even then you’d be missing out on Kane or Toney

  6. Pylynen
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Any forward up to 8.2mil worth bring in for Mitro -4?

    1. juicewagz
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Watkins

    2. Eleven Hag
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Watkins, Nacho or Felix

    3. BERGKOP
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Watkins

  7. WATERMELONS
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Help!

    A) KDB + Bruno > Salah + Mahrez (-4)
    B) KDB + Bruno > Salah + Gakpo (-4)
    C) Bruno + Shaw > Gakpo + Robertson (-4)
    C) Bruno > Gakpo

  8. juicewagz
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Risk playing KDB & Mitro in hope of minutes or take -8 to replace?

  9. tibollom
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    a.KDB, Schar and mitro to salah, tark and watkins for -4
    b. bruno, schar mitro to gakpo, tark + watkins for -4

    Kepa Ward
    Schar Trippier White Bueno Lewis
    Rash Mitoma Bruno KDB Saka
    Mitro Haaland Nketiah

    1. WATERMELONS
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      A if you are captaining Salah

      1. tibollom
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        thanks mate, actually thinking of salah or saka as C.. leaning towards Saka

  10. BobB
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    KDB to Salah done

  11. boc610
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    not going near gapko now. i think he drops out for either jota or bobby on saturday

  12. BobB
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Livepool won't rotate now they are out of the Champions League.

  13. juicewagz
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    KDB + Nketiah > Saka and Darwin -8?

  14. Legohair
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Which one

    A. KDB&Shaw to Salah&Tarkowski(free)
    B. A+ Kane to Darwin(-4)

  15. My heart goes Salalalalah
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Repost from the DZ for some opinions...

    Thinking of saving 1ft and only getting Salah for KdB? Will leave me with 0.4itb

    Kepa
    Kilman² Tark² Gabriel² Tete
    Ode² Saka² (S)alah²
    Kane Haaland Gnonto
    No bench

    Or rather Kdb, Kilman(bad dgw fixtures) to Gakpo, (T)AA? Will leave enough cash to get Bruno gw26 for Gakpo...

    1. Biggsy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      For reasons set out below, I think being able to punt on Salah AND roll a transfer is a nice place to be this week

      1. My heart goes Salalalalah
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        Solid Biggsy, cheers

  16. Biggsy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Given last night's DGW announcements and performance from Liverpool, I feel like it has just reinforced that, unless you're going to WC before, you're better taking a more modest approach this week, maybe even rolling a transfer, getting an understanding of the GW28 blanks and preparing for the juicier doubles in 27 and 29. Feel like it would be possibly to FT towards a good 27/29 team, FH 28, BB29 and come out of it with a WC to play

    1. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Disagree, I would prioritise Liverpool attackers and triple Arsenal this week over DGW27

      1. Biggsy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        Arsenal not an issue for me, so it's the Liverpool bit that is.

        I don't think Salah is worth tearing up my team for (those getting him direct for KDB or Bruno I can see the appeal). Gakpo, Darwin, Firmino and Jota will share minutes it seems. All under the issue that there is little to suggest this is a Liverpool renaissance

        1. Pat Bonner
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 5 days ago

          That's fine if not interested in Salah but I'd guess vast majority have KDB or Bruno so it's not really that difficult. In my opinion having 2 Liverpool in a double gw when their ownership is likely to be relatively low is a massive opportunity. Might not work out but that's the way I play the game and it's done pretty well for me in the past.

  17. Quinny___
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Finding it tough to pick a bruno replacement without taking big hits. Alot going for gakpo but with firmino and jota back his minutes could be numbered. Im almost thinking of backing Maddison vs Arsenal. Any suggestions? Thanks.

    1. The Mentaculus
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Maddison is a much better option

      1. AC/DC AFC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        long term perhaps but against Arsenal v a double...

        Or am I being suckered in?

        1. The Mentaculus
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 5 days ago

          Yes mainly longer-term, but he scored against them at Emirates earlier in the season & Arsenal aren't totally invulnerable at the moment. Maybe Gakpo marginally outscores him this week but not worth booking the extra transfer for me

          1. Quinny___
            • 11 Years
            3 years, 5 days ago

            I watched united vs leicester and maddison was central to everything Leicester. They are in good goalscoring form, thats my thoughts behind maddison pick

    2. boc610
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      of all the pool picks its mo darwin trent and gapko in that order.gapko a great enabler at his price but of the front three i think he's the one who drops out for jota or bobby who both need minutes.

  18. AC/DC AFC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    I don't mind taking a hit this week but how will Liverpool and KDB respond?

    Would this be stupid....

    Pope to Alisson
    Fernandes to Gakpo
    Mitrović to Darwin

    Down the line I'd be looking at Felix or Toney and probably Bruno back but I've got a wildcard and FH to overcome FA Cup quarter final weekend.

    1. Karan_G14
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Jota & Firmino back worries me a little about mins for Gakpo & Darwin. They both should start 1 game out of the next 2.

      1. AC/DC AFC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        are they back match fit?

        or more likely to have 20 mins off the bench.

        I take your point tho.

        1. Karan_G14
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 5 days ago

          If not starting they will definitely eat up 20-30 mins each from Darwin & Gakpo. But honestly I think they might even start the 2nd DGW game depending who Koop prefers for the United game. Can’t see Klopp starting the same attack he did last night for the next 3 games in the next 8-9 days.

          1. AC/DC AFC
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            3 years, 5 days ago

            true

            2 up to a 5 2 loss

            He's got to shake it up

            Even Salah is only looking like 1 goal if at all

    2. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Who's your other keeper? Not sure I'd bother with Allison move

      1. AC/DC AFC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        Ward

        But I'm double up with Trippier on Newcastle and can see 2 clean sheets for Liverpool if they can shake last night off.

        The sensible moves would probably be Shaw and Bruno out but I can't get in who I really want. It's the blank rather than double which is more frustrating.

        Probably end up with 10 players atm.

        1. AC/DC AFC
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 5 days ago

          I wish...

          been awash with cash but KDB, Bruno and Haaland etc means no cash itb now.

          Might have to move King Kev but can't even do that straight swap to Salah.

          Maybe the Liverpool double is the red herring to avoid?

          1. Pat Bonner
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            3 years, 5 days ago

            I would look to do KDB to Salah as priority this week

    3. The Mentaculus
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Don't suppose you have the funds to just do Mitro - Darwin..?

      1. AC/DC AFC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        * above!

    4. Quinny___
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Yea, Gakpo scares me. I dont think hes playing well enough to have cemented his place, and being in a a struggling team, Klopp will rotate jota and bobby in until he finds an XI who perform

  19. Karan_G14
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Kepa
    White Tarkowski Patterson*
    KDB Bruno* Saka Andreas
    Haaland Nketiah Gnonto

    (Ward Shaw* Rashy* Trippier*)
    1FT & 3.2m

    A) KDB & Shaw ➡️ Salah & TAA -4
    B) KDB, Bruno & Shaw/Patterson ➡️ Salah, Gakpo & TAA -8
    C) KDB, Bruno & Gnonto ➡️ Salah, Gakpo & Darwin -8

    Thoughts please?

    1. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      just the 1 hit is enough

      1. Karan_G14
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        So A?

        1. AC/DC AFC
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 5 days ago

          yeah

    2. Lord of Ings
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      I prefer Darwin to Gakpo but I’d still say B.

      1. Karan_G14
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        I’m just worried about mins for both.

        1. Lord of Ings
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 5 days ago

          Likewise, but I’m still taking the risk. Even 110-120 mins should be enough for returns considering the level of opposition (with all due respect)

          1. Karan_G14
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 5 days ago

            What I like about both of them is that they are easy routes to Mitoma & Toney for their double in GW27. But then taking a hit and using a transfer to sell them in a week or two might erase all gains made.

    3. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Nice team. I think A is the obvious move here

      1. Karan_G14
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        Thanks mate. Leaning towards A now as I don’t mind keeping Bruno against Pool & Soton in GW26-27. Also still not sure when I would deploy the WC/FH so keeping Bruno could be sensible with DGW29 on the horizon.

        1. Pat Bonner
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 5 days ago

          Keeps your options open which is always good. I still don't have a clue when I'll use the chips! Pro and cons for all the different strategies

  20. Lord of Ings
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Do we think Gakpo starts atleast 1/2 games?

    1. subhojit123
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Yes

    2. Botman and Robben
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      yup

    3. THE SHEEP HUNTERS
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Both

  21. subhojit123
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Kane owners are you planning to hold Kane for the Liverpool double or replacing with Darwin?

  22. EL tridente
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    1ft left – already done KDB to Salah. What to do?

    A) Kane and Shaw to Darwin and TAA for -4
    B) Mitro and Trippier to Cunha and Robbo for -4
    C) Mitro and Shaw to Cunha and Van Dijk for -4
    D) Shaw to Tarkowski

    Will most likely WC in GW27, so leaning towards taking a punt on A

  23. artvandelay316
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Is Mahrez out with illness?

    1. Lord of Ings
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Think it’s kdb who was out, where did you see Mahrez?

    2. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Don't think so. Laporte and KDB are out of the game today with illness but didn't see Mahrez mentioned

  24. Boom XhakaLacaSaka
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    2FT 2.6itb
    Kepa Ward
    Tete Akanji Shaw* Trippier* Patterson
    Odegaard Martinelli Andreas Rashford* Bruno*
    Haaland Kane Nketiah

    A) Shaw/Bruno > Tarkowski /Salah (No hit)
    B) Akanji/Patterson/Bruno > TAA/Tarkowski/Gakpo (-4)

  25. TanN
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Couple of dilemmas on my FH:

    1) Trent or Robbo

    2) Third Arsenal Spot (have Ode and Saka): Gabriel, Zinchenko or Nketiah?

    1. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      TAA and Nketiah

  26. You Must Be Jokin Ere
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    I always found Lamptey to be a complete Troll.

    1. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      I've had him in good moments but then Brighton couldn't keep a clean sheet to back up attacking returns.

  27. Blue&White85
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Anyone else own both Shaw and Ake and considering selling Ake?

    City defence hasn’t been good but has a fixture this week so in isolation keeping Ake makes sense. However, beyond 25 I’d rather have Shaw and keeping saves a transfer getting him back for double 29. If I sell Ake, I can field 11 this week if Mitrovic plays (seems unlikely).

    Anyone in a similar position? What are you doing?

    1. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      I'm probably keeping both but totally agree that I'd sell Ake this week if I had to pick. Shaw still great pick long term

  28. Zack124
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Am I right saying that Mahrez is more likely to play as KDD have injury!

    1. TanN
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      well Mahrez isnt a direct replacement for KDB

    2. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Who knows with Pep. KDB just ill so might be back at weekend anyway

  29. TanN
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Most nailed City def? Ake?

    1. THE SHEEP HUNTERS
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      At this period of time I would put my roulette chip down on Dias.

    2. DavvaMC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Dias and Walker.

  30. TanN
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 5 days ago

    Am I being sucked into the dgw world of considering Pickford as my FH keeper rather than Ederson etc

    1. THE SHEEP HUNTERS
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Mint pick on a FH

    2. The Mentaculus
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      No Pickford actually has a lot more going for him than Ederson - all those save points add up & when he does keep a CS he can get almost twice as many pts for it as Ederson

      1. Brimble82
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 days ago

        Plus… you can then focus on getting a third more exciting City outfield option.
        And enjoy Pep roulette in triplicate!

    3. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 5 days ago

      Good move