[sbu_large_image] Moving Target
16 August 2012 2282 comments
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Manchester United shook the Premier League and Fantasy football world to its core last night with the confirmation they have agreed terms with Arsenal for the transfer of Robin Van Persie. With just two days to go before Saturday’s deadline, Fantasy managers have been handed a major dilemma as they weigh up the impact of the Dutchman’s departure from the Emirates and the possible knock-on effects for both sides in the season ahead:

Speaking on the transfer earlier today, Sire Alex Ferguson couldn’t hide his delight before going on to reveal that he expects to have the new boy available for United’s Gameweek 1 match at Everton:

It’s great to have a player of Van Persie’s qualities coming into the squad. He is on his way up from London, he will have a medical later this afternoon and we hope that goes according to plan. His agent is in talks with David [Gill]. Hopefully everything will be tied up by the end of the day. I am sure he will be available for Monday’s game

The Statistics

Van Persie’s career began at the age of 14 in the youth set-up of Dutch club SBV Excelsior, though he left for Feyenoord just a year later. Promoted to the first-team squad due to injuries to others, he made his debut in the 2001/02 campaign, providing two assists in 10 league matches, but Van Persie’s game time at the club was somewhat limited due to regular spats with then-manager Bert Van Marwijk. His final two campaigns produced 15 goals and seven assists from 51 appearances and, having refused to extend his contract, he was snapped up by Arsenal in May 2004.

Over his subsequent eight seasons at the Emirates, Van Persie has been plagued with injuries; indeed, only twice in his first six campaigns for Arsene Wenger’s side did he manage to notch more than 10 goals. Gradually shifted from a left winger to a more central role, he notched 48 times and provided 31 assists in 131 games between 2004-05 and 2009-10 but each of his first four campaigns were blighted by injury – toe, knee and metatarsal problems kept him sidelined for a significant amount of time.

Named Arsenal’s Player of the Year for his displays in 2008-09, the following season saw Van Persie installed as the lone frontman in a new 4-3-3 system after Emmanuel Adebayor’s departure to Man City but, having made a strong start to the campaign, he was sidelined for five months with an ankle problem soon after signing a new long-term contract. The Dutchman’s start to the 2010-11 campaign was quickly curtailed by another ankle injury in the opening month but, after returning to goalscoring ways in January 2011, Van Persie proceeded to demonstrate the sensational form that made him the most formidable Fantasy player around in the past season-and-a-half, with 48 goals and 21 assists from his last 63 matches for the London outfit. The 29-year-old has also featured 68 times for his national side and found the net on 28 occasions.

The Prospects

There are two schools of thought on the United situation and at the moment the move raises more questions than answers. On the one hand, a partnership with Wayne Rooney looks mouth-watering and could be set to boost both players’ Fantasy appeal – with last season’s top two Fantasy Premier League (FPL) players leading the line, Sir Alex Ferguson’s side could be on course to top their 89 goals from the previous campaign as they attempt to wrestle the title back from City. Having added the creativity of Shinji Kagawa from Borussia Dortmund, Ferguson is clearly intent on banishing the ghosts of last term, which saw his side suffer the ignominy of being pipped to the title on goal difference in the dying seconds of the season.

Alternatively, the acquisition of Van Persie could, potentially, reduce the appeal of Van Persie and Rooney. When on the pitch last season, the Dutchman had a hand in 54.2% of all Arsenal’s goals in the league; with set-pieces and spot-kicks in the bag, he was certainly the more stable of the two players and produced the goods away from home far more consistently than Rooney – this, however, was playing as a lone frontman for the Gunners in a system that has served him so well over the past couple of seasons. The sceptics will point to his form for Holland, for example, to illustrate the fact that there are no guarantees that “Arsenal’s Van Persie” will offer the same sort of output as the one plying his trade at Old Trafford.

There are several factors for Fantasy managers to consider which will, in all likelihood, only be clarified at the season unfolds. Ferguson’s tactics will be a key factor – will he move away from his 4-4-2 to incorporate his two marquee signings or will Van Persie and Kagawa simply find a place within United’s default formation? Quite where the Dutchman will find his place in the set-piece and spot-kick pecking order is another matter of concern – will he usurp Rooney for penalties or free-kicks or will the pair share duties? Kagawa is also more than capable of executing stunning set-piece delivery and is likely to be in the mix here, too. Bearing in mind that the EA Sports Player Performance Index is considerably weighted towards goalscorers, the captaincy issue is also a major point of concern – a converted penalty could, in any given Gameweek, potentially see a six point swing between Van Persie and Rooney, depending on who has the Fantasy armband.

Rotation is also a major issue. Van Persie played all 38 of Arsenal’s games last term, with only one of his appearances coming from the bench – the same scenario seems unlikely at Old Trafford, with Danny Welbeck and Javier Hernandez also pushing for game time. Ferguson will be desperate to avoid a repeat of last season’s European failure, where his side failed to get past the Champions League Group Stages and could be set for a “horses for courses” approach as his side fight for silverware on several fronts. Considering that Ferguson has just handed Welbeck a new contract and spoken of his expectations for a much improved season from Hernandez, it’s obvious the pair offer a greater threat to Van Persie’s starts than Marouane Chamakh ever did at Arsenal. As Ferguson went on to say this afternoon:

If you go back to 1999 season and we had Dwight and Andy and Teddy and Ole Gunnar – the four best strikers in Europe – and we are getting back towards that now. We have got Chicharito, we have got Wayne, we have got Robin, we have got Danny Welbeck and we have got Kagawa. That is a fantastic combination of players. Hopefully I pick the right combinations.

The Everton game aside, United’s opening schedule (FUL, sot, WIG) is surely set to attract significant investment. While Ferguson has hinted Van Persie should feature at Goodison, much may depend on the forward’s fitness – following his Euro 2012 involvement with Holland, he has featured only as a brief second-half sub against Cologne last Sunday for Arsenal and could well be eased into action, with plenty of alternatives on offer for United. Rooney could be the safer option to start off with, though as the Dutchman showed last term, there is no one quite as reliable in the domestic game.

From an Arsenal perspective, the move is set to boost the appeal of their trio of new signings prior to the Gunners’ Gameweek 1 home clash against Sunderland. Arsene Wenger admitted yesterday that there will be no influx of attacking players in light of Van Persie’s departure at the Emirates, having already acquired Santi Cazorla, Lukas Podolski and Olivier Giroud in anticipation of the move.

Giroud looks set to lead the line in the 4-2-3-1 formation; a system he flourished in at Montpellier last term, with 21 goals and nine assists firing his side to the Ligue 1 title – priced at 9.0 in FPL and 8.7 in the Sky Sports game, his FPL price in particular now looks far more appealing with game time looking guaranteed. Podolski comes in at 8.5 in both games and, while he is likely to feature wide left, was handed spot-kicks in the club’s last game, though it’s worth noting that Mikel Arteta missed out with a knock and could also be in with a shout. Cazorla – at 9.0 and 6.7 in the two games respectively – is now likely to take over free-kicks and should also grab a fair share of corners, too. All three look very reasonably priced and are set to be hugely instrumental figures as Wenger seeks to push on from the loss of a club captain for the second season in a row.

Further Reference

Robin Van Persie Wikipedia
Robin Van Persie 2011/12 Goals

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  1. SuperMario69
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    A) Bale and Wright-Phillips

    or

    B) Siggy and Taraabt

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    1. Tommy Svindal Larsen
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      I hate B) due to Siggy playing deep and Ramadan/bad fixtures for Taraabat

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    2. COMH
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      SWP is not up to much as a footballer anymore. Just goes through the motions.

      B but try to find £0.5m for Bale + Taraabt

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      1. Alright John
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        Vdv and taarbat?

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  2. Screaming Midget
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    What do we think to this midfield chaps?

    Valencia, Bale, Ramires, Allen Noble

    Any weaknesses?

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    1. Infinite Sheldon
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      I don't like Ramires or even Valencia that much. That's just my personal preference though. I would go with Nani.

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    2. the axolotl
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      i dont see allen getting many points. good player, but not in fantasy

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      1. bobby_bookah
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        ^^^ and Noble assured starter after acquisition of Diame and Diarra??

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    3. blue cheese
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      Allen is a poor FF prospect, imo.

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    4. Alright John
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      Allen will be a good solid player for Liverpool but won't do wonders for fantasy scores, get rid

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    5. Touré De Force
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      Valencia no, not a fan of either Allen or Noble, but hey those are personal choices anywho.

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  3. Epilepsy
    • 13 Years
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    RMT:
    Vorm ruddy
    A Cole Shawcross Cuellar Hangeland McCartney
    Bale Lampard Michu Guthrie Noble
    Tevez Torres Aguero

    should i downgrade aguero for better def and mid?

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  4. mgrea
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    Repost RMT :L

    Federici
    Zab, Ivanovic, Hangeland
    Kagawa, Ramires, Bale, Arteta
    Torres, Pog, Tevez

    DDG, C. Clark, Michu Clyne

    1. Thoughts on Arteta, is ARS coverage needed?
    2. Start Hangeland or Clark?

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    1. Lovzat
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      start Hangeland. Swap arteta for yaya

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  5. sminkypinky
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    Going "weak" in forwards, could give you
    DDG Fed
    Koscelny Zaba Iva (Clyne Demel)
    Mata Valencia Bale Nasri (Noble)
    Jelly Defoe Graham

    Food for thought 🙂

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    1. Tommy Svindal Larsen
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      Valencia looks set to play RB for rednose. Just sayin'.....

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      1. sminkypinky
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        yeah well it could be which ever ManU you prefer...

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    2. mgrea
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      ooooh I like

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    3. bobby_bookah
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      decent food SP

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      1. sminkypinky
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        Yup 😀

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        1. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
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          Forwards are where the points are, so not the place to go cheap.

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          1. sminkypinky
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            Guess you're right. I myself will never have the guts to go like this... Just playing with the idea of a totally different team than the rest.

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    4. Evans
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      Like it also

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  6. The Milkman
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    Is Lampard likely to play the majority of both games this gameweek (Wigan and Reading)?

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    1. sminkypinky
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      I'm counting on him. Not the minutes but the score...

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    2. just a man
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      Wondering the same. Played for England last night, so feel like he might start both but could easily come off early.

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  7. just a man
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    Anyone feel like VDV over Bale?

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    1. Infinite Sheldon
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      A little bit. Bit I have neither ATM.

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      1. Infinite Sheldon
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        But

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    2. shegull
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      *raises hand*

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    3. bobby_bookah
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      I think we might see Bale getting some gametime up front so no.

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    4. Keano
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      Yep, when he plays he gets more points. Without Adebayor he'll be back on penalties aswell.

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    5. Tommy Svindal Larsen
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      Me. Especially if they don't sign a striker....as unlikely as that is

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  8. A2U
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    a) Vaz Te/ Hazard/ N Zogbia/ Rangel

    or

    b) Bent/ Michu/ Ramires/ Chico

    Can't make my mind up!

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  9. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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    Brendon Rodgers expects new arrivals in 48 hours.
    Lets guess Who they will be-
    My guess is Dempsey & Sahin.

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    1. The Milkman
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      If so Liverpool will be vastly improved.

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    2. Billy Gilmore
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      Sahin but I very much doubt Dempsey. Hopefully Gaston Ramirez.

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      1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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        Are you a Liverpool fan?

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        1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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          My Reply before your your post 😕

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        2. Billy Gilmore
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          Yep

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          1. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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            Then join the Liverpool League.
            Click on Design your kit link & select favourite team

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            1. Billy Gilmore
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              😳 I thought it did that automatically. Why wouldn't it?

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    3. DLL18
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      Ramirez

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  10. royals forever
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    If you have Aguero as your main striker and Graham as your 3rd -who should be your 2nd

    A Torres
    B Tevez
    C A N Other

    Playing 3-4-3

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    1. Touré De Force
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      (B)

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    2. A2U
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      Torres for the first couple of weeks I reckon

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    3. Cesc's old mullet
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      Torres for GW1, then see how he does

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    4. Ishaan-Do join my FPL leagu…
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      torres, and then rooney
      and dude. change the grav!

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    5. Mr Ron Burgundy
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      bent/Jelly/Pod

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  11. RVP fc
    • 14 Years
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    What do you think of my team. Could i improve anywhere?

    Jussi-(Begovic)

    Cole Fabio Hangeland -(Cuellar,Williams)

    Bale Yaya Mata(C) Pienaar-(Noble)

    Rooney Tevez Graham

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  12. Bielsa’s bucket
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    This may be interesting from a fantasy perspective

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/aug/16/manchester-city-player-statistics

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  13. Touré De Force
    • 15 Years
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    Juan Mata for the armband - who's with me?

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    1. blue cheese
      • 14 Years
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      You are in danger.

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  14. Aye
    • 13 Years
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    I have no Man U attacking coverage.. i just can't see who is going to be playing where. Keeping £2m for the old Torres > Rooney

    Anyone with me?

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    1. Cesc's old mullet
      • 16 Years
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      you are not alone my friend

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    2. bobby_bookah
      • 15 Years
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      at the mo yes but keeping 3 mill just in case RVP "goes off"

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    3. sminkypinky
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      Me

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    4. mgrea
      • 14 Years
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      1Million more for RVP, more goals with Roon now deeper?

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    5. MrJefferson
      • 14 Years
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      yip, except ive 3 stashed away incase i want RVP

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    6. Alright John
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      Totally agree, going to wait and see

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  15. michu pichu
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    any doubts over aguero starting after international duty???

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    1. Cesc's old mullet
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      god I hope not

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    2. Dragon Arcana
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      Nope.

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  16. Dragon Arcana
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    Ireland or N'Zog? Money being irrelevant.

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    1. shegull
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      nzog

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    2. bobby_bookah
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      N'Zog

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    3. Mr Ron Burgundy
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      Nzog and if Ireland plays down grade and use the money else where

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  17. shegull
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    Bench gw1
    A)Kagawa
    B)Graham
    C)Guthrie

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    1. bobby_bookah
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      Graham

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      1. bobby_bookah
        • 15 Years
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        if you're going with the risky Kagawa you have to give him a chance and QPR prob wont give up too much

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    2. Cesc's old mullet
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      Kagawa definitely

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  18. Ikey Warrior
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    13 years, 8 months ago

    Lampard, GUTHRIE, Sinclair, Noble, Michu
    AGUERO, Tevez, Torres (+2.0 for Rooney in GW2)

    or

    Lampard, BALE, Sinclair, Noble, Michu
    PETRIC, Tevez, Torres (+2.0 for Rooney in GW2)

    So basically:
    A) Guthrie & Aguero
    B) Petric & Bale

    Please share your wisdom!

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    1. bobby_bookah
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      I prefer B cos I dont think Guthrie is much kop and you have city cover in Tevez

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    2. Cesc's old mullet
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      I'm guessing Kun is going to outscore Bale GW1, and you have the advantage of a double GW with Guthrie.

      So, A

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    3. Ikey Warrior
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      Thanks! That's 1 - 1 then, can anyone else pick the decider?

      Bobby_Bookah, what do you think of Petric's prospects? Do you think he's nailed on?

      B gives me more of a squad to pick from each week, but Aguero could completely outscore Petric.

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  19. MrJefferson
    • 14 Years
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    Chelsea fans, tell me this, and tell me no more....who will play most minutes in DGW, Fat Frank or Mata??

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    1. Mr Ron Burgundy
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      frank

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  20. Tommy Tynans Left Shin Pad
    • 14 Years
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    Thoughts guys?

    Begovic – Sorenson

    A.Cole – Koscielny – Hangeland – (Fonte – Tierny)

    Lampard – Cazorla – Bale – Valencia - (Guthrie)

    Torres – Tevez – Graham

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    1. Cesc's old mullet
      • 16 Years
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      nice

      bit weak at the back, but the rest looks yummy

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      1. Tommy Tynans Left Shin Pad
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        Cool. Think Im going with this...!!

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  21. Mr Ron Burgundy
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    is Bennet nailed on for Norwich anyone???

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    1. Keano
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
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      I was wondering the same thing earlier and someone suggested that Howson is the best Norwich midfield option for 5.0, although they are all at risk of not playing.

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  22. lilmessipran
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    3rd repost pls reply if any 1 knows- hughes/senderos more likely to start for fulham????

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    1. shermanater
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      hughs

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    2. Mr Ron Burgundy
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      hughes if fit

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    3. blue cheese
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      Hughes more likely to start as he had been playing ahead of Senderos all pre-season.
      But he got injured recently and I'm not sure if he has recovered. Wait for the press conference tomorrow.

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    4. Acquafresca
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      hughes.

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  23. The Milkman
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    Who is more likely to play the most out of Lampard and Mata?

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    1. shermanater
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      mata

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    2. Mr Ron Burgundy
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      lampard but Mata will still out score him

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      1. MrJefferson
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        why didn't you tell me this?!! :/

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    3. TheresOnly1AW
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      I'd say Lampard just due to Mata being in Euros and Olympics

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    4. TheresOnly1AW
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      N'Zogbia or Taarabt?

      .5 Million dollar question

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  24. shermanater
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    park or taarabt or hoilett

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    1. bobby_bookah
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      Pienaar/Michu

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      1. shermanater
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        from qpr only

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        1. bobby_bookah
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          Taraabt then, I'm presuming theres a rotation issue which is why you want QPR if not there are better options imo for that money.

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  25. Seamy
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    Maloney or a 4.5m option? If so, then who?

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    1. bobby_bookah
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      Kaca seems popular as does Guthrie, Robson-Kanu might get some game time also.

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  26. Simon March
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    Taarabt a decent choice or is his position under threat?

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    1. Valar(Keith)
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      With Hoillett and Zamora in the picture will he still start in the hole?

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    2. shermanater
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      he probs got a higher ceiling than park but park will start every game and avgd 5 ppg for man utd? what do you think

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    3. Touré De Force
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      have you considered Buzasky?

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    4. Seamy
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      Decent choice. Most nailed on in their MF. But they have a lot of midfielders though

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    5. bobby_bookah
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      takes everything when on pitch, got to be better than last season, Ramadan might be an issue though.

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    6. sminkypinky
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      decent. Have him.

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    7. Simon March
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      Cheers guys - Figure he's worth a shot against Swansea (who he has a good record against). Hoilett is definitely tempting though but the 0.5 and set pieces are making me lean toward Taarabt.

      Park is a decent shout but I think his figures were inflated by the team around him. I don't see him replicating that for QPR, but I may be wrong.

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  27. Derailed Bandwagon
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    Torres (RVP), Tevez, Bent

    Done.

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  28. Fernando Torres
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    Valencia, Kagawa or Nani.

    First to 5 wins.

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    1. Fernando Torres
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      What's with the Kagawa love now?

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    2. blue cheese
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      Valencia.

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      1. Billy Gilmore
        • 13 Years
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        This.

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        1. bobby_bookah
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          ^

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    3. Derailed Bandwagon
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      Kag

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    4. Cesc's old mullet
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      Kag

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      nani

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    6. Doctor X
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      Valencia.

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    7. Ishaan-Do join my FPL leagu…
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      Valencia..

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    8. Mr Ron Burgundy
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      valencia until we know more

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  29. hillbillypete
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    got 5m in the bank and im set for gw1

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    1. sminkypinky
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      ooo... You really really sure?

      😉

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    2. bobby_bookah
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      4 for me at mo, burning a hole in my pocket though!

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    3. Mr Ron Burgundy
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      id check your team again if i were you.... 😉

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  30. Valar(Keith)
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Tomkins OOP? and is Demel still considered nailed on?

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    1. blue cheese
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      No. Yes.

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      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 8 months ago

        Did Doos say he was? 🙂 .. last i heard Demel was still at risk

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        1. blue cheese
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 8 months ago

          He never says anyone is nailed on. Demel is closest to being nailed on.

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          1. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 8 months ago

            Doos is lovely we all love him

            Doesn't.mean.he.is.right.

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