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Our series on the newly-promoted Premier League sides continues with this look at Nottingham Forest’s head coach, Steve Cooper.

We assess his background, tactical approach, tendency to rotate and openness with the press ahead of Forest’s Fantasy Premier League (FPL) debut, as well as looking at areas of his squad he might strengthen in.

An article on the Championship play-off winners’ defence and attack will follow.

To help us with our research, we spoke to Fantasy Football Scout’s founding father and Forest supporter, Mark Sutherns, to provide a fan’s view.

Everything you need to know about fellow new boys Fulham and Bournemouth can be found here.


WHAT IS COOPER’S BACKGROUND?

After a fairly unremarkable playing career in Welsh football, Steve Cooper stepped into coaching at academy level, first with Wrexham and then with Liverpool, a period which saw him develop such young talents as Raheem Sterling and Trent Alexander-Arnold.

He then moved to the England set-up, guiding the under-17s side to World Cup success in 2017, with his team widely praised for their attractive, attacking style of play.

“It’s about playing our way… we want to play with purpose, dominate possession, play forward and get the ball back as quick as we can. That’s always our plan.” – Steve Cooper discussing his team’s approach whilst England Under-17s manager

Having achieved international success with the Three Lions, Cooper took his first step into senior football management with Swansea City in June 2019. During his two seasons in charge, he led the Swans to back-to-back play-off qualifications, but suffered defeat on both occasions and departed after losing to Brentford in the 2020/21 final.

Cooper’s next job was at the City Ground in September 2021, where Nottingham Forest were rock bottom of the Championship upon his arrival. The side he inherited from Chris Hughton had lost six of their first seven games, but he instantly transformed their fortunes, guiding them to Premier League promotion at the first time of asking via the play-offs.

In his 46 games in charge at Forest, Cooper has won 27, drawn 11 and lost just eight.

WHAT TACTICS DO FOREST PLAY UNDER COOPER?

Above: Nottingham Forest’s starting XI vs Huddersfield Town in the play-off final


Steve Cooper has mainly used a 3-4-1-2 formation at Forest, a system he settled on during an excellent second half of the 2021/22 campaign.

A back three of Joe Worrall, Steve Cook and Scott McKenna formed a tight defence, with Djed Spence deployed as an advanced wing-back on the right. The youngster was not only allowed over the halfway line but actively encouraged to bomb down the wing.

Above: Djed Spence’s 2021/22 season heatmap, via SofaScore


However, with Spence not expected to return to the City Ground next season, it will be interesting to see who will play this role in the Premier League, as it does carry potential in the current set-up.

Central midfielders James Garner and Ryan Yates were largely box-to-box, with Philip Zinckernagel at his best in a number 10 role behind forwards Keinan Davis and Brennan Johnson.

Having previously been deployed in a wider role, the speedy Johnson thrived in a front-two alongside Davis and was the outstanding young player in the Championship last season.

Matters are further complicated, however, given that three of those aforementioned players – Garner, Zinckernagel and Davis – were also on loan and have since returned to their parent clubs.

Cooper can be flexible but already has a preferred system tailor-made for the Premier League. He’ll unquestionably go with a 3-5-2 with the wing-backs pushing up very high in home matches, while sitting deeper in away matches. I imagine we’ll sign a defensive midfielder – perhaps Ainsley Maitland-Niles – to partner Yates in central midfield and unlike Garner last season, they will likely remain more disciplined, with Yates the most likely to raid the box late when in possession.

Cooper has shown willingness to switch formation according to opponent and the match situation and will revert to a straight back four if he feels the midfield is being overrun. However, he’ll need the personnel to do that so much depends on the squad size as to the level of flexibility available to the manager. Yates can be used as part of a back three, so we might see McKenna sacrificed in some games to chase a result, with Yates an option to drop back should he seek to revert back later in matches.

Don’t be fooled by the front two either, as the forwards will often drop into wide areas between the full-back and centre-backs to open up gaps for a raiding number 10. This is why I personally find Johnson’s classification as a forward as a little unkind given that he not only shows propensity to naturally take up a wide role, he’ll also often be instructed to take up this position, even in a front two.” – Mark Sutherns

WHAT STYLE OF FOOTBALL DOES COOPER FAVOUR?

“Our ambition is to play a certain style of football. It is not easy because I am asking for us to play a brave, positional game which is about trying to be creative and exciting. Those are things that are hard things to do in the game. Sometimes we get it right, other times we don’t. That’s football.” – Steve Cooper

Forest are likely to be a counter-attacking side next season, which is where they were at their best in 2021/22, with plenty of fast transitions.

In the Championship, they looked to dominate the ball and score goals, but were equally comfortable mixing it up. For example, at Swansea in April, they had just 30% possession but still ran out 5-1 winners.

They aren’t necessarily a pressing side but do look to win the ball back high up the pitch when there is an opportunity.

Can their current style translate to the top-flight? Some alterations, of course, will need to occur, but their approach last season should stand them in good stead, as evidenced by their FA Cup run:

“Forest are not a defensive team, they just defend well and, when they win possession and attack they are often quick and decisive. Cooper will likely create his tactics around those qualities, conceding possession to the majority of opponents and relying on organisation and Henderson’s shot stopping to keep Forest in games, while looking to the front two to provide a clinical cutting edge when the ball is turned over. So don’t expect high possession or even a high press, instead watch for Forest adopting an organised shape and then springing quickly, moving the ball without hesitation from back to front. The two wide centre-backs are often key to progression, they will be charged with driving into midfield, attracting defensive cover to spring the two wing-backs who, in turn, will look to slot in the front two with their pace in behind. Awoniyi – in the Keinan Davis role – will be expected to hold the ball up and bring others into the game, particularly the number 10 who will be charged on joining the attack at all times.” – Mark Sutherns

DOES COOPER LIKE A SETTLED SIDE OR WILL HE ROTATE?

 

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  1. The FPL Units
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Thoughts on this threeium?

    Raya (4.0)
    Cash TAA Chilwell Tomiyasu (4.0)
    Salah Odegaard Martinelli Son (4.5)
    Haaland Johnson (4.5)

    0.5 itb

    1. The FPL Units
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Sorry, rubbish top post.

    2. noquarternt
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      You know what, that isn't bad at all. Not for me personally (I love the 8m mids) but that is a nice team.

    3. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I don't like Son's price so it's a no from me.

      1. The FPL Units
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Do you like Kane's price?

      2. White Pony
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Joint top scorer 1.0 cheaper than his fellow top scorer?

    4. lugs
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      looks decent, but Treble Arsenal with double mids is a bit much, swap Ode for Trossard or ASM or some other 6.5 to spread the burden a bit imo

      1. The FPL Units
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks something to think about. How about Rashford if CR7 leaves and he shows some pre-season form?

        1. lugs
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          for sure, i'd be all over Rash at that price if he shows a bit of life, i do have a soft spot for him though ever since he came of the bench to grab me a hattrick as captain in a UCL game a couple of years ago

    5. White Pony
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I think you sacrifice too much elsewhere by going for three premiums, but I’ve seen the approach work in the early season before.

      The two Arsenal mids and Johnson is just a bit too flimsy looking for me.

      1. Andy_Social
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        I thought 3mium was a no-no until I knocked up a draft last night - and I like it. It boils down to who scores more:
        Kane and 2 mid-price defenders or 3 premium defenders.

    6. FantaCity
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Nice, assuming there will be 4.5 and 4m non squad player prices ... I've got a bad feeling FPL towers know there will be many people going 5-4-1 or 4-5-1 and might make it difficult on purpose

  2. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Will FPL open tomorrow?

    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Or maybe on Wednesday?

    2. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      They’ll wait longer until everyone works out how to sign in.

      1. Herogrows
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Could be a very long wait

  3. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Diaz played well last season but I don't really recall him being a good FPL option

    1. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      If you mean Pool’s Diaz he was fantastic for me, I preferred cancelo and leoporte to the city one

      1. Andy_Social
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        I assume he means the Villa player - who lost his place and probably will leave the club.

  4. Chalobah's Witness
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Harry Wilson at 6.0. Welcome to my team boy!

    1. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      It’s ano from me, so many others around that mark which I prefer

  5. Athletic Nasherbo
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Quietly happy with this draft. Feeds my incentive and desire to be different, yet feels relatively safe too. Think I’ve picked the best Pool assets, hence no Mo. I don’t want 5-3-2 as it’s wildly inflexible: yes James is better than Johnson.

    Alisson
    TAA Robertson Tomiyasu Jonny
    KdB Fernandes Bruno G
    Haaland Wilson Johnson

    Steele K.D-H Coufal/Mykolenko Lerma(4.5)

  6. Scots Gooner
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Ederson
    TAA / James / Tierney / Cash / Trippier
    Salah / Diaz / Saka / Mount
    Halland

    Fodder bench.

    Liking this draft. 2x premium defence, remaining 3x very attacking.

    Salah + 3 x 8.0 mids, where there are plenty of options.

    Only negative is zero bench. But that’s a risk I’ve often taken early season.

    1. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Have you gone for Fernandes because of this CR7 news? Not sure about him, reckon Diaz is better value, ederson not Allison maybe even de gea! This leaves cash to upgrade Jonny and the bench

      1. Herogrows
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Sorry reply fail to athletic Nasherbo.

        Scots Gooner, I like it apart from Mount and maybe Saka, rest of the team looks great. Maybe downgrade mount to upgrade bench

        1. Scots Gooner
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          I quite like Chelsea/Arsenal fixtures, plus ideally want as many of those 8.0 spots in my team as possible. Think the players at that price look great and want the flexibility to swap them about easily.

          The no bench is a definite risk though. Hoping the new subs rule means there are in fact less total blanks from players though.

          1. Andy_Social
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            You've thought it through, looks good. I think a weak bench is a calculated gamble worth taking so long as your starting XI looks pretty much nailed.

          2. Runnerboy31
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Like it! I’m also a big fan of the 8m midfielders so like the approach. Although I think there’s enough budget midfield options to downgrade one to a 6/6.5 to enable you to get a city defender in (I personally don’t think Ederson is worth locking up a city spot)

  7. Andy_Social
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    When these Forest prices came out, I nabbed a couple for my bench purely due to their low prices (4.5 mid, 5.0 forward). But reading Mark's analysis, I'm quite excited about Forest.

    1. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Did you order the Zinckernagel?

      1. Andy_Social
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        How did you know I'm eating my breakfast?

        Hollerback and Sludge, actually.

    2. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Surely a player called Cafu must be FPL gold

  8. Andy_Social
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    Left field opinion coming out of the deadzone here:
    I'm going to defend these alleged 'over-priced' forwards.

    The prices are not aimed at GW1 squads. The point is, once the season is underway, FPL Towers can't alter any, bar the market force led rise and falls.
    Some of these forwards are going to have good seasons. DCL and Bamford might recover their pre-injury form of 2 seasons ago. Others will emerge - they always do. The bandwagons will be too obvious if they come in at lower prices; I think as the season progresses, their prices will give us something to think about rather than no-brainers, which is how all FPL decisions should be.

    1. Boberella
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Totally Agree.
      DCL could be an interesting option if he stays fit now Richarlison is gone. Prob on pens too, just not sure about Everton in general really.

    2. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      This will certainly apply to Alvarez after Haaland gets his early injury

  9. fplgaruda
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    I'm ready for the 4 am event

    1. Andy_Social
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Would be sweet if they time the launch for us lot stuck in the wrong end of the globe. I just know they'll bias to the Brits, just when my kid's hogging the computer after school 🙁

      1. Boberella
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Would make up for all the times were shafted on daft o’clock GW deadlines!

        1. Onz
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          🙂 would be nice, I had to make a load of early transfers without the confirmed match day squads for the early game due to deadlines at way passed my bed time.

    2. Boberella
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Doesn’t look like it happened!

      1. Onz
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Keep hitting F5 😉

    3. Herogrows
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Come on, come on …..

    4. Avery
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      maybe 7:30AM GMT... but I think last year wasn't it 3pm GMT?

  10. Scots Gooner
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    10am it is then 🙂

    I’m on nightshift, so will miss the mad rush tomorrow morning

  11. Santi sensei
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 5 months ago

    If it doesn't open today, we riot!

    1. @persecuted_by_mods
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Not before tweeting 5 times a day in the build up to the riot

      • Defcons are for Kinnear
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Where and how?

        1. el polako
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Online with emojis.

      • bitm2007
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Rest of the Arsenal squad prices at 10am, City at 12 etc

      • Top 210 Club
        • 15 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        It won't...

    2. JRD
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      who’s arrested??

      1. Holmes
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        FPL managers' hearts

      2. The Knights Template
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Your development.

      3. Andy_Social
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        29 year old England international near London.

        We don't know who that is.
        In the current international squad including those recently if not currently in the England squad:

        29 years old - Mings, Maguire, Sam Johnstone.
        The first 2 don't live near London; the third has just moved to Crystal Palace.
        The first 2 are capped; the third has no caps.
        Harry Kane is 29 later this month. Whew!

        That's what I got off a quick google search anyway. I dunno.

        1. GRIMANDI [formerly boring M…
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Don't see anywhere confirming he's english

          1. Andy_Social
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Ah, good point.

          2. bitm2007
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Son is 29, and plays in North London.

        2. Jordan.
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          the party is over at arsenal

        3. JohnnyCroat
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Conor Coady is also 29. Also, where they were arrested needn't be their home address.

          1. JohnnyCroat
            • 10 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            & further down the page, despite being Welsh, some ppl think the news is misleading and that it refers to a Spurs defender?
            All this notwithstanding, it could be a long time for any meaningful action, and the veracity of the claim will be known by the club's decision.

            1. Avery
              • 5 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              Ben Davies is happily posting pics on insta of his honeymoon in Italy.

              1. JohnnyCroat
                • 10 Years
                3 years, 5 months ago

                It was what Spurs Reddit was saying apparently, but I guess that shows what they know?

            2. Andy_Social
              • 13 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              'Lack of meaningful action' meaning coming to court. But we know of players and international managers who have to go on 'gardening leave' until they clear their name or otherwise.

              1. JohnnyCroat
                • 10 Years
                3 years, 5 months ago

                Oh for sure! Gylfi played no games, don't know if anything actually happened legally speaking. Greenwood still no trial.
                It'll be obvious if a player is left off the squad list, maybe not so clear if missing from a friendly because international players aren't all back yet.

                1. JohnnyCroat
                  • 10 Years
                  3 years, 5 months ago

                  Okay, think I have the name. No one in this thread. Guardian article is misleading if so. Not English.

                  1. Andy_Social
                    • 13 Years
                    3 years, 5 months ago

                    Cheers - wish I had your info!

                  2. Baps Hunter
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 8 Years
                    3 years, 5 months ago

                    Who are 29 years old Spurs players?

                    1. Andy_Social
                      • 13 Years
                      3 years, 5 months ago

                      I just read the report in Marca which says he's in his 'early 20s'. All others say 29.

                    2. bitm2007
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 11 Years
                      3 years, 5 months ago

                      Lucus Moura, Son, Davies

                      1. bitm2007
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 11 Years
                        3 years, 5 months ago

                        Xhaka, Partey, Elneny on the other side of North London.

        4. Arn De Gothia
          • 15 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Could be a female player?

      4. Fpl stress
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Thomas Partey. Source: trust me bri

        1. Fpl stress
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Bro* ffs

          1. Andy_Social
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            It is just as likely to be an Arsenal player than Spurs. I've read Son and Davies have been posting from abroad. The offence took place last month, but the alleged perp is in custody in London now.

      5. Arn De Gothia
        • 15 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Was thinking the same

      6. WHUFCSmith23
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        The Internet has spoken and said it is Thomas Partey. What that is based on I don't know.

        Whoever it is, let's hope they go down for a few years. Scum

        1. Andy_Social
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Whoever it was, we don't know if they are guilty or were set up.

          1. WHUFCSmith23
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            True, I'm with you but seems unlikely that the police would pull you from your bed at 3am and keep you in questioning for 15 hours without sufficient evidence. At least you would hope not.... but its the met so who knows.

    3. amit1964
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      help to sign in please!
      i try to make new password but i fail time after time.
      i am doing like they say but steel fail
      any help please??
      thank you

      1. BrutalLogiC
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Try the app

        1. amit1964
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          sorry, but whatis app
          ........i am very very old haha dont know anyting about computer and tec things

          1. Avery
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            If you have a phone/ device you can download the official PL / Premier League app from the app store and manage your team that way. You can login to your account that way too.

    4. DavvaMC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Will Ben Davies be nailed to start most games do you think?

      Not seen much talk about him? The same question for Justin and Ricardo

      Thanks.

      1. Herogrows
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Justin will defo be if fit, Ricardo may play midfield not sure about Davies, did me well last year though so fingers crossed

      2. Avery
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Think Davies will be at risk more if rumours of Spurs going for Clément Lenglet happen.
        As for Leicester, sounds like Justin could be moved for development playing left back (instead of Thomas) - bit more recent news here: https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-transfers-colwill-tielemans-ketelaere-7289954

        1. ☈☾
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Rumour? Deal is done

          1. Andy_Social
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            So Spurs will have Romero, Lenglet, Dier and Davies. Last 2 are expendable in my book. May be in for one more class defender as well. Mind you, Lenglet has been poor recently.

            1. OPTA FPL
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              Lenglet,is LCB , direct replacement to Davies

              1. Andy_Social
                • 13 Years
                3 years, 5 months ago

                Bavies was great for me at the tail end of last season, but I'm looking at one of Romero, Doherty or Perisic now.

              2. yousunkmybattleship
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                3 years, 5 months ago

                Competition for Davies, not replacement for

      3. Van der Faart
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Davies will start the season as first choice LCB. I'd be shocked if our back 3 changed at all from end of last season for the first few games barring injuries. Lenglet in as rotation option as Davies had no cover last season. One more CB expected to compete with Dier

    5. ☈☾
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Chelsea looking to play 4 at the back this season

      1. Andy_Social
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Depends. They're after Le Ligt, Ake and Kounde.

      2. Wirtzle Gummidge
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Depends if the rumors are about him.

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62042674

        Spurs Reddit seem to suggest it's one of their players.

        Report says 29 year old. Which would mean Bavis, Moura... Or Son!

        1. OPTA FPL
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Son is still in Korea and will join Spurs there, he doesnt fly to England

        2. Wirtzle Gummidge
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Reply fail to above

    6. Avery
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Finally got 2FA/ MFA set up. Would've been easier to authenticate by a text message rather than having to have another app.
      Regardless, good news, hopefully cuts out a lot of the hacking that happened at the start of last season.

    7. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Is FPL having issues ? working through the new passwords etc but the system has stalled at Personal Details with the Update button not working or activating the next step … so annoying as there is no way out of it

      1. Andy_Social
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Yeah. They're updating. Gotta be patient.

        1. amit1964
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          this.......i work on it allnost 1hour and succed

      2. Avery
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Are you trying on Desktop or thru the App?

        1. Hotdogs for Tea
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          just completed it on the App

      3. Holmes
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        close the tab, sorted

    8. circusmonkey
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Ryan Fraser and Anthony Elanga are in the provisional line ups, both £5.0m.
      What chances do you think they have of getting a sustained run of games?

      1. Andy_Social
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        With 5 subs, they have a good chance of minutes although that might involve 1 point cameos. They're bench fodder for me.

      2. Holmes
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        few minutes here and there, thats about it

    9. Over Midwicket
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      Which PL/international player was arrested? 29 year old in North London.

      Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62042674

      1. Andy_Social
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Discussed up the page.

      2. Eze Really?
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Supposed to be going on pre season tour and expected to play in Qatar.

        1. Andy_Social
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Be in the squad or play? Anyway those detailed have been removed from the updated report now.

          1. Eze Really?
            • 11 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Only the team manager can answer that

            1. Andy_Social
              • 13 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              I just mean reporting 'expected to play in Qatar' would narrow the pool somewhat.

    10. amit1964
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      do you know when sky sport release the dates and tims for gw 2 ?
      thank you

    11. Botman and Robben
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 5 months ago

      I had a bit of trouble getting Son last season for 10M. Now at 12M, he better really do great so I start considering him. Wish he was on pens though.

      1. Old Man
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        I think that he's just become a little too expensive for me, taking account Richarlison/Kulu/Perisic/Moura and 5 subs. The big plus is that he rotates beautifully with Salah for the captaincy .... not a small consideration, but that applies to Kane too.

        1. Eze Really?
          • 11 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Down to 2 premiums for various reasons out of:
          Son, Salah, KDV, Haaland, Kane.
          Downsizing:
          Sterling, Ronaldo,
          Or getting 2 8 mil players instead of a 5.5 with a premium. Or very big at the back

      2. @persecuted_by_mods
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Without pens at that price him and KDB are hard to justify

      3. circusmonkey
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Having virtually all the prices before launch spoils it for me. I really don't like these social media business types.

        Anyway, 541 team:

        Ederson
        Cancelo, TAA, VVD, White, Tomiyasu
        Salah, Saka, Mount, Rice (or Elanga if he looks like playing)
        Haaland

        Bench: 4.0 GK, Mateta, the other one from above, 4.5 fwd

        Quite inflexible but I have the players I want.

        1. BrutalLogiC
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Ye I preferred one big reveal at game launch

        2. Botman and Robben
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          No CHE love at the back?

      4. Pointless
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        FFS Fixture Ticker no longer allows to sort by difficulty?! I’m using the same phone as last season, but it seems there no Difficulty option?!

        1. Holmes
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          not allowed

        2. Baps Hunter
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Use membership area?

        3. Studs Up
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Works in members area

        4. Jordan.
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          its in the members area

          1. Pointless
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Thanks but I don’t understand - I’m signed in as per normal?! Still can’t get ticker to work.

              1. Pointless
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 9 Years
                3 years, 5 months ago

                Thanks!

      5. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks for the article.

        I get why Mark is optimistic now. They seem to have a good system, a top manager, and an ambitious recruitment policy. Tempted by a punt on Johnson.

        1. Andy_Social
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          I rate the manager far above the other promotees and that can make all the difference when a squad lacks PL quality. I'm relieved Forest have bench fodder because I don't want Cherries or Fulham clogging up my bench no matter how cheap.

          1. DavvaMC
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 4 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            What Forest bench players are you going for and are they starters?

            1. Andy_Social
              • 13 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              Definitely not starters for me.
              The only 5m forward (currently) - Surridge - with 5 subs, I'm guessing he'll get the odd few minutes.
              and the first 4.5 mid who might get on the pitch, again prob as sub - Colback.
              They're my 2nd/3rd subs, ideally never to come off my bench!

              1. DavvaMC
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 4 Years
                3 years, 5 months ago

                Yeah same, I will only have one playing sub to begin with.

        2. Baps Hunter
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Haaland, Johnson, Gelhardt atm for me. I believe Johnson is the cheapest starting forward who hasn't failed in PL. Therefore he has the biggest potential to be one of first bandwagons. Fixtures look ok from attacking point of view also.

      6. Baps Hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        People here have forgotten Jesus!

        1. Andy_Social
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Heathen!

        2. Piggs Boson
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          We're all about Mohammed S. now.

        3. Baps Hunter
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          I believe it has something to do with the fact that he has no price.

        4. Avery
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Always goes missing at GW Easter

          1. cutch
            • 11 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Yes, but somehow he always manages to come back after only a couple of days

      7. Fpl stress
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        It's Thomas Partey, I can almost guarantee it

        1. Piggs Boson
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Innocent until proven guilty.

          Would be a big blow to Arsenal though, almost of Mason Greenwood proportions...

      8. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 5 months ago

        Lots of people want only one or two forwards, but what's the minimum amount of playable subs you're comfortable with?

        A. 0
        B. 1
        C. 2
        D. 3

        1. Andy_Social
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          One 5.5 or 5.0 mid will do for me; 2 is better.

        2. Holmes
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          A. Its not like they perform when you need them. Anything at base price is enough.

          1. Piggs Boson
            • 14 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            I think you underestimate the value of 2pts.

            It's half a hit, half a goal, 2/3rds an assist. If you go one or two deep into your bench often, it's well worth having someone to come in imo.

            1. Holmes
              • 12 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              It probably depends on how much you value 2pts. At start of the season, I dont think 2pts is worth 0.5, that can be used in much better way. Different story for 2nd half of the season due to price rise/fall/team value.

              Normally there are 1-2 options at base price, so having zero players on bench is kind of rare. (barring injuries and suspensions)

              1. Piggs Boson
                • 14 Years
                3 years, 5 months ago

                Yeah, if you can get one for 4.0/4.5 no problem.

                But in a 451 or 541 that's just not possible. If you think it about it in terms of ppg, losing 2pts would be like turning a 7.6ppg Salah into a 5.6ppg player. That's losing far more than 0.5m worth of player...

                1. Holmes
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 5 months ago

                  But investing 1m extra on bench could mean picking Son over Salah, Ronaldo over Kane, Dias over Cancelo, Matip over Robertson for example.

                  1. Andy_Social
                    • 13 Years
                    3 years, 5 months ago

                    Exactly. That's why I've said previously, I'm prepared to go some GWs with 10 or even 9 starters rather than weaken my Starting XI. But in my current draft I'm fine with having Elanga as a semi-active benchie until a proper 4.5 options is revealed.

                  2. Piggs Boson
                    • 14 Years
                    3 years, 5 months ago

                    I guess what I'm advocating is not spending a large amount to get a backup striker on the bench, but switching formation to two up top so you can get a 4.5m mid/def there instead.

                    That way your money is still all in the XI, but on a slightly less efficient player. I think that drop in efficiency is worth the gains of an additional sub.

                    1. Brimble82
                      • 7 Years
                      3 years, 5 months ago

                      This is in my thinking.
                      Was set on 5-5-1 with the 5th DEF/5th MID rotating.
                      But it leaves you either exposed, or wasting funds on a non-playing FWD.
                      I’m now drawn to 5-3-2 with a playable fourth MID and only needing to find 2x £4.5m options spread across MID/FWD

                      1. Andy_Social
                        • 13 Years
                        3 years, 5 months ago

                        I've got 3 drafts on LiveFPL - one with one up top and 2 dud benchies, one with 2 up top and one dud benchie, and one with 3 up top. All look viable!

                        1. Brimble82
                          • 7 Years
                          3 years, 5 months ago

                          Yeah, I’m similar.
                          3 drafts
                          2 are 5-4-1
                          1 is 5-3-2

                          Haven’t tinkered with a 3 up top yet.

                          1. Andy_Social
                            • 13 Years
                            3 years, 5 months ago

                            Mine's Haaland, Kane and Jesus (no Salah)! It's my least favourite.

                          2. Brimble82
                            • 7 Years
                            3 years, 5 months ago

                            Wow!
                            Heck of a frontline.

                            I’d imagine it’s pretty bare as you work your way back?

                          3. Andy_Social
                            • 13 Years
                            3 years, 5 months ago

                            Better than you'd think, actually.

                            Raya 4.5 4.0
                            TAA 7.5 Cancelo 7.0 Van Dijk 6.5 Perisic 5.5 Tomiyasu 4.5
                            Diaz 8.0 Martinelli 6.0 Neto 5.5 Colback 4.5 Cafu 4.5
                            Haaland 11.5 Kane 11.5 Jesus 9.0

                            5-2-3. Rather saggy in the middle.

                2. Holmes
                  • 12 Years
                  3 years, 5 months ago

                  I guess its tough to judge and compute the benefits of having extra subs or having extra money for XI and results are likely to be different in different scenarios.

          2. Andy_Social
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            I like to have a rotation option for when my cheap defender has a tricky fixture.

            1. Piggs Boson
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              Or you have a player out with a knock for one week that you still want next week.

              Or you make an early transfer to hit price changes and get hit with a late injury.

              Having someone to step in and fill gaps can not only save you 2 app pts but also prevent hits...

          3. Baps Hunter
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Lundstram from bench with 21 pts was needed once 😉

            1. Old Man
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              I played him that week - what a man!

        3. Pino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          1

        4. Baps Hunter
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

          1st sub - good enough to be rotated
          2nd sub - starter who isn't card magnet, 2-3 eP
          3rd sub 1 pt cameo expected

        5. Sheffield Wednesday
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 5 months ago

      9. @persecuted_by_mods
          3 years, 5 months ago

          Please don't let there be a second wave of price releases

          1. Andy_Social
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            What we're mostly waiting for now is the chaff - the all-important 4m keepers and defenders, 4.5 mids and forwards. I doubt we'll get them until the game is released, when Jesus, Laporte, Ederson etc will be revealed too.

            1. @persecuted_by_mods
                3 years, 5 months ago

                That's what I'm hoping, no more trickle releases and the game comes out today. Sick in bed for a while now and still haven't done my first draft

            2. bitm2007
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              The rest of the Arsenal squad prices at 10am, City at 12 etc

          2. Botman and Robben
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Is the De Jong to United deal going through?

            1. Andy_Social
              • 13 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              My hunch is yes. Barca are fannying about to get more add-ons.
              But they need to move now if they're to poach Bilva off City.

          3. XX SMICER XX
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 5 months ago

            Morning all

            I see lots of 5-4-1 drafts on here / twitter. I think people are yet to factor in
            1. Covid (it’s v high in the UK)
            2. Top 4 schedule

            With seemingly no value in 4.5m mids / fwds, I’m thinking 1 probably 2 cheap enabling defenders are going to be required.

            Thoughts?

            1. Andy_Social
              • 13 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              I think people have factored that in. But it's off-set by the problem that there's currently no back-up striker options that come in at less than 6.0m You'd have to sink at least 3m into players you'd rather keep on the bench. That's unreasonable when there are so many bargains in defence.

            2. Eze Really?
              • 11 Years
              3 years, 5 months ago

              5 4 1 is dangerous in terms of balance.
              An injury to Haaland for example and where does it leave you.
              A lot to think about still.

              1. Fpl stress
                • 7 Years
                3 years, 5 months ago

                Haaland to Kane is easy enough

                1. Eze Really?
                  • 11 Years
                  3 years, 5 months ago

                  Fine, but limited to 1 choice or it is 2 transfers if you get my meaning. I like 5 4 1 but maybe an 11.5 with a 7.5 to start at the front.

                  1. Andy_Social
                    • 13 Years
                    3 years, 5 months ago

                    You're still left with the problem that your 7.5 forward is not going to out-perform TAA, Cancelo, Robbo, Chilwell et al. - not long term. You'd have to chop and change and hope you keep hitting hot streaks. I'd rather have the steady security of high-scoring premium defenders. For me, with the forwards, you either go big (9m+) or go home (4.5-5m)

                    1. Eze Really?
                      • 11 Years
                      3 years, 5 months ago

                      For sure, it is all subjective. I want big at the back but true to my name, the caveat of less clean sheets early on will create a bit of havoc.

              2. bitm2007
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                3 years, 5 months ago

                Haaland rotation as well if your lone forward doesn't play you're down to 10 men if 5-5-0 is still an invalid formation.