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In Defence of Points Per Game

There is an ongoing argument around the relative merit, or otherwise, of points per game (ppg) or points per 90 minutes (ppg90).

The fundamental point of the game is to score the most points over the season.  Ultimately we want to have players in our teams who score high points in every game they play – I hope we can all agree on that much at least?

It seems to me that the rate at which points are scored is a useful metric, but I’m more than willing to acknowledge various caveats. Points alone provide no context. Dimitri Payet gets the same amount of points from dribbling around five defenders and scoring, as does James Milner for banging in a penalty, so too Alexis Sanchez from being touched by the shot from Alex Iwobi. Any goal credited is given the exact same amount of points – a goal is a goal is a goal.

The same for assists; a cross from open play can result in three points, or a deflected shot, or a foul before a penalty, or a simple sideways pass before a long range thunder-smash. So yes, there can be a tremendous amount of luck when looking at points – especially if we’re looking at just a small sample.

So if a player scored a lot of points last week does that mean that they are more or less likely to score points next week?

That is the big question, to which there is no simple answer.

Underlying Stats v Actual Points Scored

Some people will prefer to ignore points scored and instead look at the underlying numbers. The latest theory seems to be that the players who are most likely to score goals have:

  1. A high number of attempts at goal (Minutes per Chance or MpC)
  2. A high accuracy when shooting (Shot Accuracy or SA)
  3. A high number of touches/shots from close range (Shots in Box or SiB and Touches in Box or TiB)

Which makes complete sense, and it’s unlikely that anyone would argue against it. If a player is doing well in those three categories then even if they are not scoring many points in Fantasy Football, you would expect them to start doing better soon. Similarly, if a player is not doing well in those categories, then even if they are currently scoring a lot of points, you would expect them to stop doing so well soon (regressing to the mean).

I don’t believe that football is a game of luck. It is unpredictable, certainly, but over the course of the season – the best team will win. The best players will score the most goals, the best teams will concede the fewest. The ball is round, and bounces in a (theoretically) predictable way – it is just a question of which players are better at controlling it.

There is no ‘random’ element built into the game. This is not to say that fantasy football is as simple as picking the players who take the most shots, or have scored the most points in the last six weeks – but both of these are likely to be things which could be used to predict who will do best next week, and the weeks after that.

A criticism being levelled against pp90 is that it says what “is happening” or “has happened” rather than what “will happen”. Which is undoubtedly true, and there is no value in predicting the past. But an identical criticism can be levelled against any metric – nobody cares if a player has shot 200 times last season, if so far he’s shot just twice. Whether it is the eye test, points per game or MpC we are trying to do the same thing; we are trying to predict future performances based on past performances. The real question is whether the past performances (good or bad) are sustainable?

Capoue v Redmond

For examples like Watford’s Etienne Capoue, who has high points (48), and a high overall total PPG (6.85) despite low numbers of shots (9), there is a counter example like Southampton’s Nathan Redmond who has low points (24), and a low total PPG (3.42) despite a high number of shots (20).

All of Capoue’s stats show that, so far, he has scored at a very high proportional rate and it is unlikely to be sustainable. If you had decided to listen to the stats from the first for games (I know, I know, small sample size) you’d have heard 1.6 shots per game, with 1 SiB per game from just 3 TiB (which itself is a huge spike from a 7 TiB in GW3, compared to 1 in both GW1 and GW2) and said “he can’t sustain that”. And you’d have missed the goal and the assist in the fourth game. And probably the goal in GWK 5 too. Alternatively if you’d noted he was scoring five PPG in the first three games, you might have been more tempted, and you’d have profited from those goals in GW4 and 5. If you were looking to buy him now, you might be tempted by his overall PPG, but a closer look at his recent form shows a PPG of just 2.6 in the last three games which is much less appealing. Though for the price, you might hope there’s still value there.

Let’s say instead of going for  Capoue you went for a player like Nathan Redmond, who from the first three games had 2 SiBpG from 5 TiBpG and was having a chance every 31 minutes, rather than Capoue who had to wait 55 minutes per shot. In which case you’d have been frustrated throughout the subsequent four weeks, despite his underlying statistics staying healthy – in GW4-6 he had improved to 2.6 SiBpG albeit from 4.3 TiBpG, and his MpC was down to just 29. Obviously it’s not that simple, but his PPG went from 2.6 in GW1-3 to 0 in GW4-6 (and remains at 0 as he’s done nothing since his goal in GW1 despite most of his statistics getting better as time goes on).

Final Thoughts

Obviously these are two fairly extreme examples, and most players will fall somewhere in the middle. Most players who take relatively high number of shots, with a high proportion from inside the box, and show a general involvement in the penalty box, will score more often than those who don’t. And those players will also show a strong PPG.

It’s very tough to predict who will score well in any single Gameweek, but generally simpler to predict who will score well over the next six or so. There are many players who have stats which flatter to deceive (e.g. Redmond,  Andros Townsend and Ross Barkley) but these players don’t fool the PPG/90 metric. As with so many things, the answer is in moderation – there is no single statistic that gives a simple answer. I

don’t think it’s right to say there is no link whatsoever between points scored in the past and points being scored in the future, but it’s daft to suggest that you could predict the future using nothing but PPG (or PP90). I think it useful for showing a trend of things which have occurred, which resulted in Fantasy points.

If, after 20 games, the choice was between…
1.    a player with consistently high PPG despite consistently low chances per game, or
2.    a player with consistently low PPG despite a high number of chances

…I know which I would pick.

Spreadsheet Built a spreadsheet for fantasy football. Got a bit out of hand now.

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  1. J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Thanks for this. Another excellent stats discussion will ensue hopefully.

  2. Ziro
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Basically this is like arguing about 'casuals' and 'hard-core' FPLers.

    A bit of both is the balanced way to look at it. Looking at one while completely ignoring the other is what may actually be the 'casual' way.

    1. Ziro
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Many of us played Capoue in GW6 I think, that was including hard-core statisticians who knew the risks of the highly-owned player making a difference to ranks, even while acknowledging the ridiculous conversion-rate he had been on upto that point.

  3. Mavric Marco
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Great read thanks.

    Points to Redmond breaking his post GW1 duck sooner rather than later...Burnley could be just the fixture..?

  4. Eden Hazardous
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    "I don’t believe that football is a game of luck. It is unpredictable, certainly, but over the course of the season – the best team will win."
    Not really true. Anomalies can even last over multiple seasons. We are seeing West Ham and Leicester already regressing from their over performances last year.

    "If you were looking to buy him now, you might be tempted by his overall PPG, but a closer look at his recent form shows a PPG of just 2.6 in the last three games which is much less appealing."
    Those who didn't care about his stats made him their 4th mid. A different ball game now as an upgrade is tough and team structure is ruined. Mark playing Defoe over Capoue in GW 6 is a good example of stats over PPG.

    "If, after 20 games, the choice was between…
    1.    a player with consistently high PPG despite consistently low chances per game, or
    2.    a player with consistently low PPG despite a high number of chances"
    Well 20 games >>> 7 games and even then context is required. Last year Mane had a similar start to the season as Redmond but finished strong.

  5. AK ⭐
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Thing with this analysis is, it has only taken players that work for the argument of PPG over stats, and even then as you have said it already, the sample size is way too short to be able to draw conclusions for any argument at all.

    I am going to take the same example as you. Capoue. By the time GW5 ended, he had 4 goals and an assist to his name. PPG for Capoue after these 5 rounds comes out to be 8.8! (Very high, if you look at just PPG over stats, he is captain material at that PPG).

    But the underlying stats weren't there, and people expected him to stop scoring. GW6, he got 2 points, now you'd think that was just an anomaly and that he would be back in points in the following week, but again in GW7, he blanked and got 2.

    Saying that, there were people who benched him still (Mark), and the reason of course, was that the stats weren't there for him.

    PPG wouldn't have helped folks to anticipate the 2 blanks, the stats definitely did.

    PPG is a metric that looks at goals and assists and is limited to just that. While the underlying stats look at how much a player is involved when the team attacks, what kind of chances he is getting and what kind of chances he is able to put away.

  6. Dokdok666
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Great read!
    Capoues numbers are a little off: "Etienne Capoue, who has high points (34), and a high overall total PPG (4.86)"
    He is on 48 points and his PPG is 6.86. Or am I missing something?

    1. Spreadsheet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Yeah, the data I use ignores minutes. Hence saying Redmond is on 0 PPG. I'll always get into these issues, as I tend to use a pretty different data set. Need to remember to add a disclaimer as standard!

  7. sharadbajla
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Good article... However it doesn't talk about the main issue with PPG.. Its too volatile to analyse trends. .. You would be forced to look at longer history to make any sensible trends.. However all the other stats are more comparatively more stable and hence more credible in analytics. They are only used as a proxy for the points that can be scored..

    1. RedProfessor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Agree. Great article but would like to see more analysis of the stability of the metrics over different game week ranges

  8. John t penguin
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    in my humble opinion there is a slight snobbery in that people can regard PPG based decision as the casual way. every example seems to based around capoue, I am pretty sure that all hardened players would and have brought in a sanchez based on 'I cant ignore those points'.
    I have mentioned this before, but I did a very simple analysis of points chasing, by taking any mid/ fwrd player who scored double digits and analysing their returns for the next six weeks. The results were surprisingly good across the board. Probably could look further into it in terms of how they obtained their points.

    1. Bøwstring The Carp
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      People don't ignore the likes of Kun and Sanchez because a high proportion of their teams chances come through them in high numbers

      Sanchez for example is playing OOP for a title-contending team that is having no problem scoring. He is a very good player, his stats are consistently good and his conversion/ finishing are clinical. The points are a product of this.

      If Sanchez had a slow start but good underlying stats coming up to Arsenal's current run of fixtures, many would still invest including myself.

      As for the last point, isn't that usually what we consider to be form? Nobody is doubting that if a player scores a haul and he has good underlying stats (like Son) we can expect it again so long as those stat trends continue. Whereas when Capoue hauled, and hauled again soon after, despite poor underlying stats, it might be considered "form" also, but we might differentiate it as 'lucky' or 'unsustainable' form.

  9. tm245
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    I always like specific examples and player comparisons. However, with all due respect, I think this argument has lost the plot a bit. I'm not sure what the focus is here -- is it just a long reply to comments from the previous article? The debate is taking place largely in the previous article you posted, it seems.

    1. Spreadsheet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Yeah, I realised after writing it there wasn't much point to it. Essentially, the debate in Bowstring's post was winding down, and I felt like stirring it up again 🙂

      Really I wanted to look at more players than just the two extreme outliers (Capoue and Redmond) but I'd already been looking at it for a couple of hours and had to get on with some actual work...

  10. Teror
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    What's the word on Sterling and Lallana? Still injured?

  11. Iceball
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Capoue replacement:
    A) Redmond, not so good fixtures, but more attacking player and Southampton score more than Hull
    B) Snodgrass, better fixtures, might be on penalties, but Hull not much of a scoring team
    C) Other max 6.2
    D) Hold Capoue this week

    1. Dokdok666
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      D) Snoddy has great fixtures starting from GW9

  12. L S P
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    I'd rather have Snoddy than Capoue.

    Though if Snoddy is your 5th MID you may have some selection headaches from time to time.

    1. L S P
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      oops - reply fail to HCTS

  13. Bøwstring The Carp
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    There is a reason why "Goals Imminent" and "Assists Imminent" tables regularly produce results each week, because the stats are suggesting a return and what they are suggesting is coming true consistently.

    On those tables are some players with dreadful PPG/PP90 so obviously the metric you are defending does not help whatsoever in predicting future returns.

    My argument: PP90 is the metric produced by a player who has turned his underlying stats into points.

    With regards to your final point, would you recommend a player like Milner who has put away 4 goals from penalties and amassed a fantastic PPG/ PP90 (7.2) from a LB position over let's say Mane (5.2) who has been a bit slow off the mark but is harboring underlying stats that suggest he will kick on?

    Even with the 2.4m price difference I would take Mane 9 times out of 10.

    1. Ruth_NZ
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Yes, but this is the thing BtC. You aren't just using PPG. You are using your judgement and that is being formed from a whole variety of things.

      We look at various stats, we look at games, we look at fixtures to come, we look at track record over longer and shorter periods. We look at individual players and assess gametime (rotation) risk and we look at the prospects of the teams they play for. We consider their opponents too. Maybe we look at what RMT or eG or similar models say. And we look at price and make some kind of evaluation of value (whether consciously or not).

      Importantly, we look at what our actual squads as they stand need and where the weaknesses are. Then we make a judgement.

      Anyone who wants to advocate one stat or one metric over another (and I'm not saying you are doing that) is missing the truth really. Which is that better decisions are made 'in the round'.

      1. Bøwstring The Carp
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        I agree with the one stat thing to an extent.

        The point of my article was never to try and standardize the game down to one specific stat, merely to find a statistical method/ model that was pragmatic and simple to apply.

        I do think minutes per chance and accuracy coupled together are the only STATS worth considering for future (with penalty touches and shots in the box thrown in there for more context) but definitely not the only FACTOR.

        Watching games is an invaluable method which offers more context, but unfortunately due to subjectivity and how we view the game, judgement can vary and paint different pictures of the same landscape. I remember there was a game where I thought Bailly was dreadful and others thought he was magnificent. Obviously judging defenders is different to midfielders/ strikers but you get the jist of what I'm saying anyway.

        I am a big fan of context. If I wasn't, I would have never doubled up with Costa and Hazard from the start of the season unless I thought no CL and a new style would have produced the same poor returns of 2015/16 for Chelsea.

        Sometimes we go against the stats like I'm doing with Arnautovic in the hope that international form and kinder fixtures will help book an early ticket on a proverbial hype train.

        My article probably looks too stat heavy, as I did want to discuss more about context and the other factors that I've mentioned above, but dealing with a word count restricts how much I can mention.

    2. Bøwstring The Carp
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Actually let me refine that more

      A good PP90 is the metric produced by a player who has scored a few goals/ assists in the PAST.

      My argument: Good underlying stats are the metric by which a player should consistently return goals/ assists in the FUTURE, and incidentally raise his PPG over a given timeframe.

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        I tend to agree with that.

        I guess I have seen too many bandwagons happen and then collapse a few weeks later based on a temporary surge in recent PPG. Naismith a couple of seasons ago is an example that comes to mind but there are many. That season, those that chased recent PPG quite possibly shifted from Naismith to Ulloa to Bojan to whoever came next and missed the big FPL points from all of them. 😕

        Underlying stats can either add weight to the PPG or cast doubt on their sustainability.

        But my main point is that arguing "it's this" or "it's that" actually obscures the actuality. Which is that the best skill of an FPL manager is to judge the significance of the indicators they have. And the value of those indicators is not static.

        1. Jive Turkey
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          Pretty much this.

        2. FeverPitch
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 6 months ago

          That last paragraph, and last sentence especially, is pretty key to this whole thing. Nicely put

    3. Spreadsheet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      At this stage of the season, I'd take Mane (and indeed, I do have Mane). But if 10 more games come and Milner gets another 5 penalties, then honestly I'll find it very hard to ignore that. Certainly for the price, if he's getting penalties about half the time and still taking some corners and sending in crosses from open play, I'll just get in and hope for the best.

      PPX could maybe be ignored and replaced with a conversion rate stat. Though that focuses on goals, rather than assists/bonus/clean sheets. PPG/90 does also have a helpful element for those stats which as we've established elsewhere are a bit harder to predict based on the underlying numbers.

    4. RedLightning
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      The "Goals Imminent" and "Assists Imminent" tables do have a certain number of successes, but sometimes only 2 out of 10 players in the "Goals Imminent" table actually get a goal the following week, and often a bigger proportion of the players with high PPG or PP90 over a reasonable number of games will get good FPL points.

      Of course, some of the players with impressive PPGs are better prospects than others, but this also applies to players in the tables. Both methods can be useful starting points, but other factors also have to be taken into consideration.

      Of course, the tables would be a better comparison with the PPG stats if they did not exclude players who actually have been getting more than 1 goal or assist in their most recent matches.

      When a player's underlying stats do not back up his PPG then we need to consider other factors too. Sometimes these might suggest that the PPG might be unsustainable, but in other cases I would prefer to believe the PPG (at least until it starts to deteriorate).

      A few seasons back, Yaya and Ramsey scored prodigiously all season, despite not having strong conventional underlying stats, and many experienced FPL managers suffered the consequences of continuing to trust their underlying stats and to ignore their FPL points.

      In Milner's case, it is certainly true that Liverpool have been getting an unusually large number of penalties and it is possible that this might not continue. But if we consider other factors then we should be able to see that this might continue, though possibly not at quite such a high rate. These factors include refs awarding more penalties generally this season, and also that defenders have great difficulty in stopping the Liverpool midfielders without fouling them. Liverpool were also awarded a large number of penalties in Luis Suarez's great season, once he started making almost superhuman efforts to stay on his feet when he was fouled instead of going down a bit easily and the refs realised that he was not diving.

      Liverpool's goals and assists will often be shared between their midfielders, but I expect them to continue to be awarded a significant number of penalties. There are plenty of other good midfielders at higher prices but, at a mere 6.6m, Milner is certainly high on my watchlist.

  14. Respect My Authoritah
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    This is a strange article. Granted, it makes valid points, but the most fundamental way to determine if a player is going to score well is WATCHING GAMES!!

    And not just the games he plays in, all the games - so you can see how a player's opposition play, where their strengths lie etc etc.

    Of course, like everything, this also needs a great deal of moderation and a bit of self control. A blinding performance (or 2) from Watford must be levelled against the fact the opposition let them do it. Coming up against sides which have themselves sorted, whether "weaker" or not, they may struggle a lot more.

  15. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    PP90 PPG and SIT SOT are all good stats if you know where to identify genuine trends and anomalies. I was almost going to say fair argument buddy and then you cited Redmond vs Capoue as an example. A very poor one should i say.

    I'll wager Redmond scores more PP90 than Capoue over the course of the season.

    1. Spreadsheet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Yeah, I had started looking at a few others, such as Antonio/Hazard but it was taking up too much of my time. So I just used the two extreme examples.

      The underlying numbers say that Redmond should score far better than Capoue over the season. But so far, he hasn't. Is it just that he's a crap striker? Or is the service not what he needs? Or something else? That's where watching the games gives a clue. But the fact he's not converting his chances into points means that I'm in no rush to pick him up.

  16. FPL Maldini
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Who has the better stats and replace Zlatan ?

    A) Deeney

    B) Benteke

    1. Edwardio
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Deeney

  17. FPL Maldini
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Is Arnie worth a punt for -4?

  18. sinik
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    It comes down to this..PPG may focus my attention on a target, but it's the underlying stats or eye test that will confirm him as a transfer for me.

    It's rarely the other way around.

    1. Bøwstring The Carp
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      This

    2. Spreadsheet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Yeah, I like that viewpoint.

  19. Edwardio
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Hi folks, Which one for the next 6 games ?
    A...Capoue
    B...Redmond
    C...Snodgrass

    Thanks

    1. mcrayeps
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      C of course

  20. FrankieTheGent
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    How about we have a competition?
    Competitiors submit a rule (PPG/ MPC/ Eyeing the beautiful game/ Name out of the hat) and nominates player over a period of time religiously sticking to their theory.

    Somebody run this post a community articles on it?

    (I bags the hat)

    1. FrankieTheGent
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      A different player (or set of players each week)....

      Oh wait that's the FPL !

      But isn't there a dead team in 8th place ?

  21. Eternal City FC
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Stats are worthless if you're not watching the games or following the sport. The human eye makes a thousand judgments a second that stats can never capture. But stats are a good way to point your eye in a direction your mind may not have come up with, or narrow down the complexity of real life into something simpler to assess. It's also a good check on human bias, especially in sport where we might have favorite players and teams.

    Capoue was at the bottom of the league among regular midfielders in PP90 last season, 2.30. Redmond was respectable at 4.23. PP90 may not be perfect, but those numbers are different enough on a large enough sample that I know who I'd bet on as being a temporary fluke. If past points don't correlate at all with future points, points are meaningless and so is the FPL game.

    1. Bøwstring The Carp
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      I tend to agree. Only problem is with the first part as everyone's judgement of a good performance in reality and a good FPL prospect will differ. But I know what you're saying.

      Like for example, Coutinho's penchant for hitting a long goal may raise his status in many people's eyes. It may look spectacular when Henderson hits a long-range stunner against Chelsea, but ultimately the hardcore player will refer back to the stats and other factors when considering them in FPL.

      Sustainability is a big factor for me. If a player scores a goal and had one shot all game with a deep average position, it will certainly put me off as compared to a player that was unlucky with a high volume of shots that might have been blocked or saved very well.

      What I do like about watching a match is it shows surging runs and other things like the quality of the shots, the target of unsuccessful crosses, etc. It certainly has an important part to play in FPL team management.

  22. youknowho
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 6 months ago

    Nice article. My team is a victim of this Redmond/Capoue dillema.
    Bench one for Tomorrow:
    A. Capoue
    B. Redmond
    C. Rondon

    1. Spreadsheet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 6 months ago

      Not looking at real stats, but I'd bench Rondon. A spurs defence that can hold off City should certainly be able to hold off WBA. Redmond cannot seem to do anything good, but his stats are rock solid and at home to Burnley seems as good as ever. Capoue is Capoue, and could easily convert his one chance against Middlesbrough.

      1. youknowho
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 6 months ago

        Thanks mate. Seems sensible.
        So "Fixture" or "Quality of opposition" should be your 3rd parameter for selection for a given gameweek
        .