Scout Notes

Scout Notes – Champions League Tuesday

A Trent Alexander-Arnold free-kick grabs the attention, but it is keeper Simon Mignolet who deserves the plaudits as Liverpool win 2-1 at Hoffenheim in their Champions League play-off match.

And a pre-season match after the start of the league campaign? Man City travel to Spain for just that.

Rotation? What rotation?

Jurgen Klopp named an unchanged side, and even the same bench, for the trip to Hoffenheim, which suggests that rotation might be a factor for Saturday’s visit of Crystal Palace.

It also highlights the slenderness of a Liverpool squad that is now well placed to be involved in plenty more high-level midweek European matches before Christmas.

That could have ramifications in both the short and long term.

The front three of Sadio Mane, Roberto Firmino and Mo Salah were prominent in Germany, but they will struggle to maintain their brand of pacey, high-pressing intensity if required to play twice a week for the foreseeable future.

A late Hoffenheim goal kept the tie alive, making it very difficult for Klopp to consider resting players in the second leg – even with a visit from Arsenal coming just four days later.

The attacking trio are far and away the most popular Liverpool players in Fantasy Premier League, with all enjoying more than 20% ownership. Something will likely have to give at some point, be it form or fatigue.

Neither scenario is attractive for their FPL owners.

Two full-backs, one star

A pair of 4.5-priced full-backs, Trent Alexander-Arnold and Alberto Moreno, took to the field against the Germans, and the former had a night to remember.

The young right-back continues to deputise for the injured Nathaniel Clyne. He’s also growing in stature as a set-piece taker and opened the scoring with a fine free-kick.

There’s a lot to love about a full-back with so much potential for goals and assists – particularly at that price – but the chance of clean sheet points is another matter entirely.

Liverpool’s defence managed 12 shut-outs last season. On the evidence of the first two matches of this campaign, they’ll struggle to surpass that modest sum.

Having conceded three goals at Watford, they could easily have done the same in Germany, relying on the profligacy of their hosts and a superb display from goalkeeper Simon Mignolet, who saved a penalty amid a range of excellent stops.

Moreno continues to look the weakest link in a porous backline and even the sainted Alexander-Arnold was at fault for Hoffenheim’s goal, appealing for an offside instead of getting on with the rather more pressing matter of stopping Mark Uth from getting in on goal unopposed.

The youngster, currently owned by just 2.7% in FPL and also boasting a share of corners, has very tempting attacking credentials at such a knock-down price, but Liverpool are some way short of impressive as a defensive unit.

Milner still out of position

One player Klopp could have used to shore up the Reds’ leaky left flank was James Milner.

Having impressed as a left-back while classified as a midfielder in FPL last season, the former England international ironically now seems destined for a midfield role now he’s down as a defender this year.

That could be an advantage to us – if he gets the pitch-time.

Milner only came on for the last half an hour in Germany as a straight swap in midfield for Jordan Henderson. On Saturday, against Watford, he played the last five minutes in place of Salah.

Klopp himself has stated that Milner is like having a new signing in midfield, which is just as well when Adam Lallana is injured and Philippe Coutinho determined to leave.

With specialist left-backs Moreno and new man Andrew Robertson – who is yet to even make the matchday squad for the Reds – at his disposal, the manager has so far been true to his word regarding the veteran.

Should Milner also snatch back penalty-taking duties, he could be a steal, even at 6.5, for an out of position defender.

But for now, that seems unrealistic. He’s currently an expensive bit-part player, albeit one who provided an assist for Liverpool’s second goal in Germany.

Firmino on form, not fire

A generous 8.5 FPL price has prompted 23.7% of managers to go with Firmino up front, and he provided an immediate reward with a penalty against Watford last weekend.

In Germany, he showed his creative talents, dropping deep to play Mane and Salah into the space that he created.

But as a striker, he was limited to just the one big chance on the night, while his attacking team-mates were given, and squandered, rather more goalscoring opportunities.

The Brazilian supplied two goals (one from the spot) and three assists in pre-season and his role is more facilitator than finisher.

His price remains attractive, but 8.5 is still a lot of money for a man who could end up with more assists than goals this season, particularly if Milner does start looming again as a spot-kick alternative.

City get a random run-out

The first Tuesday after the start of a long and gruelling new campaign is the perfect time to be travelling to Spain for a friendly – if you’re Pep Guardiola.

Man City’s entire first-team squad – minus Kyle Walker for personal reasons – boarded the plane for Girona and many got a run-out in what the club span as ‘an intensive training camp’.

Four City players – Douglas Luiz, Aleix Garcia, Pablo Maffeo and Marlos Moreno – are on loan at La Liga side Girona, which also happens to be owned by Guardiola’s brother, Pere, and City are reportedly considering making an investment in the Spanish club.

Add all that up and an interestingly timed post-pre-season pre-season friendly was the result.

Guardiola again went with a three-man defence that included Tosin Adarabioyo, John Stones and Eliaquim Mangala – with Danilo and Leroy Sane taking up the wing-back roles.

Meanwhile, new signing Bernardo Silva also started and fellow midfielder Ilkay Gundogan was given a 20-minute run-out as he returned from a knee injury that has kept him out for eight months.

The match also provided both Yaya Toure and Raheem Sterling – the latter playing up front – with some extra pitch-time. Gabriel Jesus was brought on for the last 20 minutes.

New arrival Benjamin Mendy was included in the squad as he steps up his recovery from a thigh complaint but the former Monaco left-back was not even named on the bench, suggesting that he will be eased into contention by his manager.

City lost 1-0, in case you were wondering.

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  1. Rupert The Horse
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    • 11 Years
    7 years, 2 months ago

    I'm rolling my transfer this week and then it's Kane time.

    1. White Hart Kane
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Boomfa!

    2. Fuchs Mane Kante
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Same if Shearer blanks at Wembley troll status will be confirmed.

  2. gunnerboy
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 2 months ago

    So, what's going on with Alexis? Will he be gone come the end of the transfer window?

    1. Rupert The Horse
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      • 11 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Yes. Then a big club is going to get a £100m player for free.

    2. Lallana_
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Due to Arsenal failing to get Lemar, I think he's staying. They'll potentially lose a lot of money on him when he goes for free next season.

      1. Arteta
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        I hope not.

  3. Syd.
    • 15 Years
    7 years, 2 months ago

    That Liverpool defence is a shambles but TAA is tempting

    1. Lallana_
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Moreno + TAA defensively is a disaster but TAA is very attacking and good value at 4.5M

      Wait 3 more prem games to see where's he at

      1. UCL Fantasy
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        • 14 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        This is what I'm doing, happy enough that I don't need him over next 3 and then can see where we're at with Clyne once fixtures get a bit better.

        Even if he moves up to £5m in that time which is unlikely I'd be happy enough paying it

        1. gunnerboy
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          This.

    2. Lazarus Star
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Got TAA in for Hegazi (as had Foster in the sticks) before the GW1 deadline. Can't see Liverpool getting clean sheets (unless we sign VVD or send reset Lovren to his Saints days) but TAA is a good attack option at 4.5 until Clyne comes back...he may even slot into Rightside of the middle 3

    3. Fuchs Mane Kante
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Better options at 4.5 more nailed imo.
      Will be on the wagon though if he is consistant as plays for the better team.

  4. RLukaku
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 2 months ago

    Opinions lads? Cheers

    Foster ( Elliot )
    Kolasinac Zanka Stephens ( Suttner, long)
    KDB Willian Mkhitarian JWP ( Carroll )
    Kane Kaku Firmino

  5. Atimis
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 2 months ago

    GTG??

    Foster
    Kolasinac/Stephnes/Lowe
    KDB/Mkhi/Willian/JWP
    KAne/Kaku(c)/Firmino

    Elliot/Carroll/Suttner/Long

    Thought about playing Elliot over Foster but maybe it is safer like this.

    1. Lallana_
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      yeah

    2. RLukaku
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Almost exactly the same as mine above, I like it!

    3. Atimis
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Thanks ! I am just concerned about Firmino long term - maybe I will switch him to Salah on WC or in some period of time as he may not be given enough scoring chances competing to Salah or Mane

      1. White Hart Kane
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Hold another week or two

  6. gunnerboy
    • 12 Years
    7 years, 2 months ago

    Mendy didn't even make the squad last night. Feel better now about Danilo...

    1. RLukaku
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Danilo wasn't that impressive, failed to get involved in the game

      1. gunnerboy
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Doesn't matter. Still a good chance he starts against Everton.

        1. RLukaku
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Yeah he will probably start, Gaurdiola will not let Mendy come in straight away without any match fitness

      2. Mini Mane Mo
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Only a friendly

    2. Rupert The Horse
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      • 11 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      But it was a joke game.

    3. Bird Raymond
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Doesn't look like Mendy will be back but possibly at risk from Sane. I'll be starting him and hoping for the best.

  7. Emiliano Sala
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 2 months ago

    I picked taa over hegazi at last day and I'm deeply sad
    RIP

    1. RLukaku
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      TAA is still a good pick, good attacking returns for a 4.5

      1. Lawrø
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        All zero of them!

        1. RLukaku
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          I mean potential attacking returns, should of written it better sorry

          1. RLukaku
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            *wrote it better

            1. the snazzy viking
              • 8 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              *should have

            2. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
              • 7 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              "written it" was correct!

  8. A Team Of James McCleans
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 2 months ago

    Damn Zaha, i really wanted to hold out this week to have two transfers next week 🙁

    1. Kryten
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      • 10 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Yeah he has ruined alot of people transfer stragergy

      1. Zoostation
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        If the rest of your team looks good, then you can still go into the international break with two FT if you use only one now to get Zaha out.

      2. Atimis
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        This !

  9. FPL ZB
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    • 7 Years
    7 years, 2 months ago

    Seeing as I've already pulled the trigger on Tadic (god help me), I'm now worrying about Lamina. He plays deeper and is more likely to replace Ward-Prowse right?

    1. gunnerboy
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      I went Ramsey. Never really rated the Welshman but giving him a go the next couple of weeks.

    2. Lallana_
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Don't have JWP but statistically Lemina produces less numbers so he might be worse as a player luckily for you

    3. Karan14
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Davis or Romeu maybe. But Boufal is also waiting on the bench.

    4. DA Minnion (Former great)
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      I went brunt so god help us all.

    5. Luca Toni
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      No he would replace davis or Oriol Romeu most likely .

    6. Lord.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Probably more of a risk to Davies.

  10. How much is too much?
    J0E
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    • 15 Years
    7 years, 2 months ago

    Fantasy Football Scout daily hot topic

    At what point is a player over priced.

    On last night's Scoutcast there was an interesting discussion on whether certain players are over priced.

    Kane was mentioned - with Mark arguing that at 12.5 if Lukaku is a better captaincy pick then the Spurs man becomes too expensive for his price.

    Similarly the feeling was that KDB is too pricey at 10m when cheaper players like Eriksen and Alli can possibly provide more consistent returns.

    At what point do you say enough is enough with a pricey option?

    How much is too much?

    And what do Kane or KDB have to do to justify their price tags?

    1. White Hart Kane
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      They're worth their prices as soon as they notch double digits

    2. Elwood
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      I'm inclined to hold onto Kane, even at 12.5 million, until atleast the international break.

      Can't say the same for KdB. He is likely going to be the one to go to free up some cash for me.

    3. Lazarus Star
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Listened to last night and found out that in my current team Kane & JWP fit exactly into Firmino & Erikson. For 18M I think the latter could be the better value form money, even if Kane gets 20+ goals this season.

      1. Lazarus Star
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Also got KDB as a 'bank' need to give him more time. But was also trapped into that 'must have City cover' mentality

        1. Lanley Staurel
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          • 14 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Yep i treat KDB as my bank too. Good to know thatbwith 2 FTs I could shift to something very different using his value.

    4. FPL ZB
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      • 7 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Never been overly bothered with price. Get the players that you think will get the points, if it costs me 5.0 or 12.5 then I'll still pay it

      1. J0E
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        • 15 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        That's very much my attitude to Kane - he has the power to punish - that comes with a price. Very few other players can do that.

        All those goals at the end of last season - if he does that again then 12.5 will be a steal.

        1. Lazarus Star
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Cue Aguero reminding us why he held this top price attacker title 3 seasons in a row.

        2. Lallana_
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          If you captain him during a haul you're gold

    5. Atimis
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      I may go for Kun and Eriksen for better value than Kane KDB who I own now

      1. The Tinkerman
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Or Jesus/Eriksen and save 1m

    6. Lallana_
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      I don't think KDB is worth the price because there are much better, cheaper alternatives and I don't feel comfortable captaining him.

      The same can be said for Kane BUT his explosive hauls make him a must have for me. When his Burnley (H) fixture comes around non-owners will be hoping to come out the gameweek unscathed.

      To find out if a player is worth it you have to watch until the template is established. If many premier midfielders are overperforming, they will take precedent over an expensive strike force. Only time will tell.

      1. denial
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Agree on kdb. He's a transfer to Eriksen waiting to happen

        1. Biancazzurri
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Yup. If Kevin blanks with Everton, it's Eriksen time; he's absolutely the Spurs' key man.

    7. Kryten
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      • 10 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Kdb maybe is 0.5 over priced when compared to alli and Eriksen but then which city attacker to get because jesus will get similar points to Kdb at 10.5.

      1. Kryten
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Maybe looking at wrong and kdb is correct prices but others are underpriced

      2. Jøssy ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        I have the same thought-process, and try as I might it's hard to get away from, but the reality is, if Eriksen is going to score more than KDB (or represent better value), then we should have him whether we have any other City attacker or not.

        Each pick in isolation. If Kun then looks better value than Kane or Lukaku, great! But if he doesn't we should have them over any City attacker

    8. DA Minnion (Former great)
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Moreno is over priced at 4.5 .
      He was brutal last night.

      1. Goat
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        He's brutal every time he steps on a field. Klopp is going down in my estimations always starting that clown

    9. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      The whole "playing deep" problem with KDB... If he didn't have that risk, he would be worth every penny of 10.0. As it is, expect Eriksen, Mané etc to outscore him early doors, which makes him overpriced in my opinion. Sure he's great and will explode, but 10.0?
      Kane is not playing deep, and had six shots against Newcastle. That's serious threat. Will be keeping him for that.

    10. Rupert The Horse
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      • 11 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      They just need to get going first. I was tempted to go without both in the beginning but got KDB just in case. But once they get up a full head of steam they'll be involved in everything.

    11. denial
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Too early to say on Kane. If he hasn't scored by end of September he's clearly overpriced. Then he might go and score five hattricks over Xmas and be well priced. It's all contextual and depends on rest of players in squad.

    12. Lord.
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      • 9 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      KDB has to start delivering, but another reason for getting him for GW1 is that is is easy to move on to whichever bighitter mids do hit the ground running. I am not concerned about Kane - he will come good.

    13. Karan14
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      I agree with Mark if Lukaku can prove himself as a good captain choice away and home we can downgrade Kane to Jesus & KDB to Eriksen and then we have 2.5m in our hands for another big hitter like Mane/Firmino/Siggy etc.

    14. UCL Fantasy
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      • 14 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      Feel this will be needed....

      *Disclaimer*

      No-one is saying get rid of Kane not with Burnley and Swansea (h) in GW3+5 (in fact there's some really nice fixtures coming up)

      *End of disclaimer*

      My point was that at some point during the season we may have to consider whether 12.5m is worth it IF you're happy to captain Lukaku most weeks (the same argument can be made the other way round, captain Kane and ship Lukaku).

      This is what got me thinking originally:

      Kane + Gabbiadini v Firmino + Morata / Lacazette / Jesus

      Kane + Gabbiadini v Firmino+Vardy+2.5m to spend in midfield....the difference between Zaha and Eriksen/Alli

      Again - not saying getting rid of Kane should be done straight away (maybe not even ever), but it's worth exploring the alternatives.

      1. denial
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Yeah. I think some people read 'overpriced' in discussion and think it's about getting rid straight away.

        1. UCL Fantasy
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          • 14 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Hence the disclaimer 🙂

          Suggesting at some point there may be better value = WHY ARE YOU GETTING RID OF KANE RIGHT NOW!!!!!

      2. chdixon90
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        so, reading between the lines, you're saying get rid of kane? 😉

        1. chdixon90
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          I missed this due to such a quick price increase on Salah - giving KDB a little longer to prove himself now but we'll see!

    15. Visionaries
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 2 months ago

      KDB is obviously class. But he became over priced when I saw he was playing a deeper role. Transferred KDB & Zaha > Salah & Mhki and couldn't be happier
      Worth noting I already have Jesus tho

      1. Visionaries
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Kane is not overpriced though

    16. MTPockets
        7 years, 2 months ago

        A point beyond 1 gw.

      • FrankieTheGent
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        A player is overpriced when there is a cheaper alternative matching their score (Aguero/ Lukaku?)
        or where spreading funds can out-perform. It's not hard and fast and depends on alternatives available.
        (Can Kane + 5.5 can be beatan by Firmino + 9.5?)

        I would say given how City, Liverpool, Spurs mids and Lukaku are playing you could make a case for Kane being overpriced. Going back seasons I think the landscape Aguero stalked at 13mil was not as competitive as it is now.

        Mark's point on captaincy is valid in that the premium you pay (and have paid in the past) is covered by captaincy but if you're going to be putting the armband on Lukaku (due to ownership and fixtures) then the premium doesn't have to be paid.

        1. SWANCK
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          This, although it's nice to have two good armband options at our disposal.

      • Norman Conquest
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        kane isn't over priced it is just people can get a more balanced team without him in ,kdb and alonso seem over priced to me but i wouldnt hesitate at putting in hazard as soon as he is fighting fit

      • roflmaofc
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        What if Kane scores two against Chelsea gw2 - will everyone want him for gw3 vs Burnley then?

      • Exdeo
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        did anyone call Kun or Sanchez overpriced last year?as long as the returns are fine the price is fine. If Mounie will outscore Kane then yes, Kane is overpriced. it's pretty simple. And FPL is very dinamic, just remember Hazard's exodus last year, but when he started to score again everybody got him back. KDB and Kane have to blank 2 more games for me to consider to take them out.

        1. Make Arrows Green Again
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Kun was overpriced last year. Most of us only got him in for runs of fixtures and/or DGWs.

        2. Lord.
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          I recall quite a lot of talk about Kun being overpriced last year, albeit it was combined with Pep wanting more than just a goal scorer.

      • Make Arrows Green Again
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        My thinking on this issue this season has led me to believe that there is better value to be had with 8-9.5m players and one top captain pick who should be captained every game if possible.

        At the moment, due to price, form and fixtures this is Lukaku for me, but I may well swap him for Kane at various points in the season. I think owning both takes money away from the important business of stocking up on as many mid-premium midfielders and strikers as the budget will allow.

      • Cok3y5murf
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        KDB has to be captaincy material to justify his price tag. Either that, or score as consistently as Costa did last season.

        Kane is already captaincy material, but to justify his price tag, he has to score much more than the other forward options that may become captaincy options, like Jesus, Aguero, Lacazette and Morata. From GW1's evidence, these four forwards impressed and looks like they can keep up.

        If they do, Kane will simply be last season's Aguero.

        1. Js31
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          I assume you've left Lukaku out cos he's the closest to 'essential now

          1. Cok3y5murf
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Hehe, yeah.

      • SADIO SANÉ
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        when you don't captain him, he is overpriced - like in GW1. I probably should have gone with my plan of starting without Kane as I was captaining Lukaku GW1 & 2 regardless. Luckily Chelsea were so bad that I'm happy to have him this week ready for his GW3 captaincy.

        1. Lord.
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          I was very tempted to go without Kane for GWs 1-2 for the same reason, and get him in for GW3. I decided not to as I did not want to pre-commit to 1 or 2 FTs before the season starts.

          1. SADIO SANÉ
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            exactly the same reason. The fact he nearly/should have scored twice makes me feel better though, looks like he will be staying in my team until GW9 at least - best captain option in GWs 3 5 7 8

      • Jigger & Pony
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        • 11 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        To me it's all relative. The benchmark here is someone like an Eriksen, who at 9.5 is perfect. He can be relied upon for 7-12 points most GWs. If the price of a player is above that (e.g. KdB) then he needs to beat that benchmark. Kane at 12.5 may be ok, if you captain him, as he can deliver 16-20 points some GWs and blank some others.

        For me the overpriced players amongst premium names are: KdB, Aguero, Mane, Alonso and Ozil.

        The underpriced players potentially are: Mkhitaryan, Son, Willian (until he plays), Firmino, Trippier/Davies and maybe Ramsey.

        I would see Eriksen, Alli, Kolasnaic, Salah, Lukaku and potentially Kane as fairly priced.

      • Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        This is very simple.

        CAPTAINS

        1. You need to have the 2, maybe 3 best captain options (or those you most want) over any specific period of games. Their price is much less relevant.
        2. "Those you most want" - this can factor ownership and the likely captain decisions of others in or not, up to you. Depends how safe a game you want to play. Otherwise it's the ones you think will score the most points.
        3. Beyond those 2-3 players you should essentially pick for value rather than for pure points.

        SQUAD

        1. You need to establish what your squad needs to achieve in terms of points per £1m budget excluding captaincy.
        2. You need to structure a squad that helps you to achieve that. This includes not wasting or killing budget on your bench. It also includes factoring value into player selection.
        3. You then need to make use of any excess budget wisely.

        COMMENTS

        1. Mark is exactly right if that's what he said about Kane. No player can justify a price tag in excess of £11m unless they are regularly captained. Probably not even in excess of £10m.
        2. On the last question: Kane would need to score around 9.1 points per week to justify £12.5m on value without captaincy. That's impossible. And that's why unless you are captaining him regularly (at least one week in three) he's a poor pick.
        3. KDB needs to score around 7.1 points per week to justify £10m. That's unlikely over a season but he might do so over a shorter period of games. So with players at that kind of level it's about being cute about when you own them.
        4. Once you get below 10m you are in the range where it is possible for a player to justify their place in a squad on value. But not necessarily easy. Eriksen and Alli would need to slightly out-perform what they did last season to justify £9.5m. Will they? Or was that already a high watermark?
        5. As a general comment, managers are mostly far too obsessed with points and far too ignoring of value. A £7m midfielder that can sustain a steady trickle of points and achieve around 4.7/4.8 points per week on average is a fantastic asset. But seldom one that will be highlighted on FFS where most managers are always seeking the bright lights of explosive hauls and lack the patience to let a player like that do that very useful job in their squad.

        That's how I look at it anyhow.

        1. Bunk Moreland
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Wow, Ruth. This is to the point, well written, and it taught me a lot about the game. It should be mandatory reading for would be FPL players.

          Thank you.

          1. Wild Rover
            • 14 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Lol

        2. Jigger & Pony
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Spot on

        3. choppers13
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          What s your target score/bench mark of points per million?

          Thanks

        4. The Non Flying Dutchman
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Nice post.

          I would be interested to know what calculation led you to the output below.

          'Kane would need to score around 9.1 points per week to justify £12.5m on value without captaincy'

          Thanks

          1. alexmj
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            0.73 points per million. Assuming an average score of 60 points per week (with a bench of 4, 4.5, 4.5, 4.5)

        5. Oddjobleff
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Disagree. Points > everything. That's the idea of the game. Choosing the premium and therefore (in theory) high scoring players you can afford and filling in the rest. 'The rest' are chopped and changed during the season as we look to score points. I wouldn't pick a player who I think is undervalued over a player who scores more points.

          1. Forza
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            This. I think it's odd to say that Kane wouldn't be 'good value' if he scores something like 8.1 points per game rather than 9.1. He's still bathing in points.

        6. alexmj
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          I've got a spreadsheet going tracking my team and value. My target is 0.72 points per million per player to give 60 points average per week (including captaincy).

        7. chdixon90
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          I definitely think a lot of what you are saying is spot on, however I think it involves a greater amount of skill.

          Me as a terrible FPL gaffer, see Kane as an easier option. With him I can guarantee myself between 200-250 points, say with a 4.5 bench fodder to even it out. Total price 17m. Gameweek one i could have had Mkhy and Salah and smashed it for that price, but I also could have had Zaha and KDB.

          What I'm saying is chasing the points on rotation even with a balanced squad is sometimes a lot trickier than leaving guaranteed points on board.

          1. Captain Roberto
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            I believe you have to have 2 or 3 season long players. Players who are capable of scoring against any opposition. One defender from a giant like Spurs, ManUtd, Chelsea. One midfielder likely either Ali/Eriksen, Mane, Hazard, Sanchez. And one epic striker who you captain. Kane/Aguero and now Lukaku. The rest you can try and balance for value. The support strikers should be transferred as soon as they stop scoring though because their costs are so elevated. Even a striker captain needs to go if he isn't scoring for several games for one that is.

          2. Dino
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Maybe if you are a "terrible fpl gaffer" your strategy is flawed?

        8. Fi_fpl addict
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          How do cone by kane 9.1 a gane , not a critism , interested to understand the logic

          Agree on the value of points per million across the squad etc

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Also for The Iceman...

            CALCULATING VALUE

            This is a hellish difficult subject to write about without it taking an age to write (and read). I am also not helped by the fact that I meticulously recorded some value data from last season combined with some from earlier seasons and then deleted it all by accident. So I won't be able to use specific data, just my recall and the general principles I have extracted over the last 3 years. People wanting the statistical evidence will therefore best not bother reading this, I think. The reader will either have to accept that I have some reason for what I will write or not, unfortunately.

            1. Value

            I guess the best place to start is to explain how I calculate value. In very simple terms, let's say we are aiming at 2500 points over the season. That's usually enough for a top-100 finish and thus within reach of winning the game. Which is what I am aiming for.

            Right, so how do you achieve 2500 points? Well, a fair chunk is captaincy. 8 doubled (and once tripled) is a realistic number for the top 100. It was last season, anyhow. 8 by 39 is 312 points, let's allow that for captaincy. And let's allow 22 points from the BB (the top 12 averaged 20 last season). So, 334 points in 'extras'. That leaves 2166 points to achieve in the normal way. That's 57 points per week. Now, someone will say that these figures aren't absolute. I agree. I don't need them to be, I only need them to be in the ballpark and (hopefully) you will see why in a minute.

            Alright, 57 points per week excluding captaincy and extras. How do we get them? Well, we need now to look at the £100m budget we begin with. It's easy to assume we have that £100m to spend as we like, but we don't. The game makes us have 15 players. We can't just have ten £10m players and say "I'll just have their points, thanks". We MUST have 15. That means we have two types of budget, which I will call "compulsory spend" and "discretionary spend". The compulsory spend is going to be around £67m initially, maybe slightly more because you need at least one forward that actually plays. But let's say £67m to populate our squad with 15 base price players, at least 11 of which will actually play for their clubs in any given week. Which means the discretionary spend is £33m initially.

            Now, we cannot expect that the compulsory spend will produce 67% of the 57 points we need. It just won't. No-one can produce a £67m squad and have it score 38 points per week before captaincy and sustain the 8 points doubled you need in addition from the captaincy. It's not possible. My calculation, having looked at base price players over a few seasons, is that you can't expect more than 0.3 points per gameweek per 0.5m compulsory spend, so 2.7 points per week from a £4.5m player. That amounts to 103 points per season and while there will be the occasional one that beats that there will be a much bigger number that undershoot it. 2.7 x 11 = 30 points, near enough. That's my ballpark number for the compulsory spend.

            So that means we need 27 points from our £33m discretionary spend. That's 0.4 points per gameweek for 0.5m of budget, near enough. Which gives me a tangible number to use when comparing players for value. Is Valencia (£6.5m) worth the premium over Bailly (£6.0m)? Well, assuming for a moment that they are equally secure in being picked (they probably aren't but I'm just trying to explain the methodology) it's very simple to answer. Valencia must score 2 points more than Bailly every 5 weeks to justify that premium, or 15 points more over the season. 5 assists more than Bailly is what he needs (or 1 goal and 3 assists more), assuming they get the same number of cards and BPs. So we now have a method to compare them. It may not be perfect - it isn't perfect - but that doesn't matter as long as it is in the ballpark. Because all I want is a practical guideline I can use.

            So, that's point one. I probably should have said at the outset that the rationale of all of this is that FPL is won by the manager that achieves the most points per £1m of budget. We can obsess about players but really we should obsess less about them and more about value. People will drool over a £11m player that scores 200 points and the same people will often denigrate a £6m player that manages 130 points. But assessed on value, the £11m player is undershooting badly, he needs 300 points to justify his price. Whereas the £6m player is getting much closer to his target of 148 points. He's actually delivering better value.

            Of course, as alluded to earlier, that isn't the whole story. You need that 200-point £11m player as a captain option. Captaincy adjusts the value equation completely. But you can't justify having 4 or 5 players like that, it may look good on paper but will actually lead to lower scores overall. We need to have 2 (at most 3) players as captain options and (tactical issues aside) the rest should ideally be selected for value, or at least with value in mind.

            I should also probably mention DGWs. Some will (reasonably) think that I have ignored them. Not really, they are included in the overall numbers. It's just that you maybe only need 55 points per week, not 57, with the missing 76 coming as 'extras' in DGWs, something like that. It only marginally affects the ballpark numbers I am working with.

            2. Does value always matter?

            Well, it varies. It completely depends on the price/performance landscape of any particular season (or phase within a season). Price = how FPL have priced individual players (and types of player); Performance = how well those players (categories of player) are actually performing.

            For example, 2015/16 was a very odd season (the Leicester season). A whole host of the top-priced premium players performed like drains that season whilst a number of way under-priced assets emerged to make a nonsense of FPL's pricing structure - Alli, Vardy and Mahrez to name but three. With super-performing budget players like that, budget wasn't an issue any more. There wasn't a problem fitting Sanchez, Kane, Aguero in. Put three 5.5m or 6m players in amongst your attackers this season and see how easy that makes picking the rest of the squad. It's easy street.

            So, value mattered much less that season. All you wanted was the highest scoring players. Affording them was unlikely to be much of a problem.

            Value becomes important when the majority (or a good number) of premium players are doing well. Especially if there aren't any outstanding budget options. Budget is then stretched and you can't afford everyone you'd like. That's when value comes in (and efficient squad structure and so on). Because you have to extract the maximum from your budget. Whereas in 15/16 the problem was sometimes that you'd have been better off not using it all. 😕 Believe it or not.

            FPL have learned from this. In 15/16 there were (as I recall) 9 players that started at 9.5m or more. This season there are 14. So FPL's eggs are in more baskets as it were. It is less likely that enough of those premium players will under-perform to make value irrelevant. So we have to start with the assumption that it is. If the price/performance landscape later shows something different we will need to adjust and all bets will be off where value is concerned. But right now we are probably best to assume that won't be the case.

            3. Specifics

            I mentioned earlier that Kane needed to average 9.1 points per week to justify 12.5m, captaincy aside. That calculation is simple because (as explained above) I am using 0.3 points per week per 0.5m compulsory budget and 0.4 points per week per 0.5m for discretionary budget as a guideline. 0.3 x 9 = 2.7. 0.4 x 16 = 6.4. 2.7 + 6.4 = 9.1. That's how I make the calculation for Kane. I don't say it is absolutely correct (it isn't) but I think it's in the ballpark and certainly sufficient to use as a guideline. That's how I use it anyway.

            1. Fi_fpl addict
              • 13 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              Thank you for the reply so much and detailed post , I will be sure to read it properly, really useful information, so will help

              I think I'm on the same page on the value part and it's the squad as whole , and the ppg on its own not a good comparison to compare a 10 mil to a 5.5 mill mid and set some expectation on each player accordingly

              1. Ruth_NZ
                • 9 Years
                7 years, 2 months ago

                Yes. A lot of it IS about having the right expectations of players. And that comes from knowing the role they have in your squad.

                If a manager has too many premium players they will almost inevitably find themselves falling behind. The premium players may well look as if they are performing OK so they'll blame their cheapies who are only getting 3, 4, 5 points. Which takes them into a point-chasing merry-go-round with budget players that only wastes FTs (which is another resource we need to extract value from) and seldom delivers unless a Mahrez or a Vardy appears to rescue them.

                Why the current fuss about Mounié? Anyone in their right mind will know that Huddersfield won't score many more than 40 goals all season and possibly as few as 30. Mounié can do well over a short period - any player can - but in the long run he'll quite likely disappoint. So, why the fuss? It's because the way many managers play FPL REQUIRES there to be a good budget forward. And if there isn't one there they are sunk.

                A good grasp of squad structure and value enables you to adjust to what is actually there, rather than forever seeking something that you'd like to be there but isn't. 😕 That's why I don't hold with fixed formulae for squad structure. You need to be adaptable.

                Mind you, a lot of the better managers make these kinds of calculation almost instinctively. You don't need to be able to compose an essay about game mechanics to be able to work intelligently with them. I'm just the kind of guy that likes to get under the hood and figure out how the engine works is all.

            2. The Son Haz got Atsu on
              • 7 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              This is the short version?

              1. Ruth_NZ
                • 9 Years
                7 years, 2 months ago

                No. The short version was my original post. This goes into more detail because a couple of people asked.

            3. Crystal Ball
              • 8 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              Insightful as ever Ruth, cheers

            4. ⓙⓚⓙⓚ
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              Good post!

        9. Hotdogs for Tea
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          ''A £7m midfielder that can sustain a steady trickle of points and achieve around 4.7/4.8 points per week on average is a fantastic asset.''

          The same can be said for the 4.5 - 5.0 mid that can generate 3+ points on average every week and is a starter in your team every week ... the payoff is else where is that you can afford your Kane/Lukaku combo and the 38 game captaincy rotation - get that right and you are maximizing the two top scorers as captain, but just having a choice of one of them as captain every week and you are leaving points on the table.

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Yes, I agree completely about that.

            As it happens I intend to start Carroll in some games while I have my initial squad. Simply because I think he will out-perform his price tag and is worth a spot in my rotation of 4.5m players. The 7m midfielder example was only that - an example.

            I have nothing against a Kane/Lukaku combo and it has much to recommend it. But then what will you do when Hazard and Sanchez come on stream or when Jesus gets injured and Aguero becomes a sure starter or when Morata starts banging goals in on a regular basis? It will all get a bit more tricky then.

            Anyway, my post shouldn't be interpreted as a recommendation of or against any player. It was purely about game mechanics and underlying principles relating to value.

          2. Captain Roberto
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Hazard Lukaku would have been a great captain rotation last season as they both scored the vast majority of points at home in an easily visible pattern.

        10. La Décima Chaser
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Right on the money! my calculations are slightly different, but the process is the same! It is this that I am focusing on this year to try and get better at the game!

        11. Ógie
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Quality post Ruth.

          Nice to see you contributing again 🙂

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            I pop in sometimes and lurk a bit. But won't be a regular contributor of stuff like this. Which some will be pleased about, no doubt.

            Hope you have another great season. 🙂

      • The Non Flying Dutchman
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        When a players price is set by FPL God's its based on expected returns over the coming season. If a player is priced higher than another he has been judged to have a higher expected return over the season.

        The main reasons a player can be overpriced because:
        1) changed clubs
        2) changed position/team formation
        4) poor form
        5) sold a key team mate
        6) new to league
        7) because another player is underpriced

        For Kane the only ones that could apply are 4 and 7. We do not have nearly enough information to make transfers out on this basis.

        1. Ruth_NZ
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          8) Because FPL got it wrong.

          1. Captain Roberto
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            9) they are deliberately making it more difficult

      • Oddjobleff
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Tend to disagree regarding Kane being expendable if Lukaku keeps up as a captain option.

        Just because Lukaku is doing well, why does this mean I don't want Kane's points? If Kane has a similar season to last year but Lukaku does even better, why would I not want the second highest scoring player as well as the first?

        1. Captain Roberto
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Because to get the same concept of value from the super expensive players as from the medium/low priced p;layers requires captaincy to increase their points total

        2. Dino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          For value reasons.

          As Ruth said above the points you can get with a cheaper striker and upgrading other players is easier and more likely than say a 4.5 mid and Kane. The problem with the 4.5 mid is that they rarely return enough points to justify the extra outlay on Kane. This is unless of course you find some budget players that fpl have incorrectly prices leading to the game model effectively breaking as it did in the leicester spurs value players year when a lot of noobs excelled and a lot of veterans did poorly.

      • shirtless
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Pre-price lists being announced the first four names in my mind were Sane, Kane, Jesus and Defoe. Even at the price Kane is a must have for me. Fantasy gold. Back-to-back Golden Boots, an incredible strike record, saved me at the back end of last season big time, just a must have.

        This however caused a knock-on effect as pairing with Lukaku ate a lot of the budget for me, and Defoe being injured meant the lack of sub 8.0m forward options steered me towards Firmino as third striker at a lumpy 85m but still good value to have a piece of Liverpool action.. I decided to run with these three and in the event of Kane failing can always downgrade to Lukaku or upgrade Jesus. Jesus & Firmino just looked better than Lukaku & 7.5m.

        So basically for me, the cost of owning Kane is having Jesus instead of Lukaku for how I wanted to set my team up. Time will tell if this works out. So far so so, Firmino scored, Pogba did what he has been threatening to, and Baily returned a clean sheet, but that Lukaku brace...hmmm. I now have Mkhi paired with Pogba maybe these two will cover Lukaku's returns but it's all incidental unless Kane returns the goods.

        I expect 30 goals from him no less as the City pair, Lukaku, Morata, Lacazette, Vardy etc are all capable of 20 on their own.

      • Fi_fpl addict
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Not sure how effective yet but loomimg at at least 20 points per mil for any player and divide by 35 or 38 games to get points per game target 35 to allow for ofd missed gane

        So kdb would be 200 points 5.75/5.25 as a

        Other faceors wull be fixtures and form but is a good starting point and ppg and expectations for a player can be evaluated

      • Netley Lucas
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        As others have said, Mark's point is spot on if you're capping Kaku all the time and he's doing better than Kane and players elsewhere are producing more per £ like Alli, Eriksen, Mane etc etc. Not sure we're there yet though, a huge haul soon and this thinking may reverse quite sharply, and quite painfully for some.

      • Hotdogs for Tea
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        easy to trade down, even temporarily, hard to trade up.

        If Kane is getting you 200 points and an alternative striker is getting you 160, you need to earn more than 60 with the added value on your other player compromise.

        The answer, its never too much if you are receive the points benefit

        But ... the Kane / Lukaku captain rotation home/away or tough/easy fixture is hard to ignore ... at any price

      • EspanYOLO
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        People selling Kane after the first GW. same as Debryne.

        It's just madness, Kane scored 29 goals last year

        Someone gave an example that they could transfer Kane out and get Erikson and Firmino.

        They scored a combined 19 goals. 10 less than Kane! and he was injured for part of the season.

        I'm fairly sure the same argument was used in previous seasons for Aguero at £13.5 million. As soon as he scored a brace everyone starts scrambling around taking massive hits to get him in.

        If anything, Lukaku could end up being cheap. I certainly can't see Kane being too expensive.

        1. Dino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Kane scored 22 goals apart from those 7 away to teams who had downed tools at the end of the season and I think it was just 5 goals in 12 away games before those two outlier returns at the end of the season. Looking at the fact he has no home games this season would make you seriously question him hitting those returns again.

          Ps I think his conversion rate was something like 26% to which is way above a 14-18% return rate for a top striker and considering how many of his shots are from outside the box he should probably be shooting closer to 17% returning circa 20 goals on last year's numbers.

          1. EspanYOLO
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Yeah I appreciate it's not maybe as clear cut as I'm making it out to be. However, he was top for chances last week, he plays in front of two of the premier league's best assisters. You have managers of other teams saying they wish they had him as he consider him to be one of the top strikers in the world.

            I just feel all these things mean holding on to him for at least a few game weeks.

            The point I was making is everyone has Kane and Debryne in their team all of pre season and then immediately take them out when they don't score after one game week. Surely if he was in your team you planned to see if he makes returns over a few game weeks and not just one? Espeically as he had 6 chances. Same as debryne.

      • FPL_Pundit
          7 years, 2 months ago

          I listened to the Scoutcast and whilst I take your point about expensive players, GW1 is far too early to be calling out players. If Kane and KDB explode this weekend then there will be a lot of people eating humble-pie and trying to cash in on price rises....

        • Deulofail
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          KDB is only 'too pricey' because he blanked when Eriksen, Alli, Salah and Mane didn't. Similar story for Kane.

          I think the scoutcasters are letting themselves be a little bit too influenced by GW1's results. KDB wasn't 'too pricey' last week. The only new information we have is the FPL scores, and these scores seem to be the sole basis for claiming Kane and KDB are overpriced. Could easily imagine a scenario where the scores were different. KDB was class, and Alli's goal came from only one chance (I think); One of Lukaku's goals came off the post, and Kane is the biggest big hitter there is.

          It was quite a coincidence that the most expensive playing mid and most expensive forward blanked while those around them didn't (well, besides Jesus), yet we'd rather form some kind of narrative about price and risk rather than accept the coincidence.

          Perhaps we need the 'dark side of probability' quote back.

        • Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
          • 15 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          I think it depends on the context of your team:

          1) is there a cheaper alternative to the 'overpriced' player you have that will be consistent and you have confidence in?

          2) Will buying a cheaper player mean that overall your team will score more points as a result of spreading the funds around?

          3) Is the 'overpriced' player a viable captain choice for you? (less inclined to captain alternative options?)

        • Amateur Pundit Zan
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          When there is a cheaper player who delivers the same or greater points potential.

        • Grumpy Camel
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Kane (c) here this week. Likely differential option but Che are crocked at the back and why not take some risks this early. For 12.5 you can captain him 4/5 GWs. Worth it.

        • Captain Roberto
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          On a price related tangent, I've been wondering if anyone has looked into the points scoring threshholds that prompt runs on the market for players and over how many GWs these events take place? And at what point does points scoring give way to buyer panic as bandwagons take off?

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            On the transfers page the top scoring players in each position so far are shown. As long as a player is on there he'll get transfers in and he'll only start to drop once he drops off that list.

            That's one factor.

      • White Hart Kane
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Is Jones nailed for United?

        1. Bald Eagle
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          For next few probably.

          1. White Hart Kane
            • 13 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Who will take his place? Rojo?

        2. @fpl_phenom
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          For the foreseeable... Lindelof will be eased in like Mkhitaryan , bargain.

          1. White Hart Kane
            • 13 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Cheers

      • FPL ZB
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        I'd love to see a feature where you gained interest on anything that you left in the bank every week. (or just received 0.1 in your bank every weekend)

        1. RLukaku
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          I like that idea actually!

        2. Licious Lizard
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          This

          1. Licious Lizard
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            I posted that idea last year during the "What new features and chips would you want".

            Really think it could be a fun addition

      • Team Cruel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Is it possible to hot topic the price changes every night?

        1. Elwood
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Why not just check them yourself?

          1. Team Cruel
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Because this site is my source for everything FPL. Would save a few clicks every morning.

      • James Sykes
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Who do I swap Zaha for?

        1. Elwood
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Salah?

        2. DA Minnion (Former great)
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Probably need a hit to get someone decent. No point going for a 7m again.need an Erik, alli mane or salah goog forward.

        3. @fpl_phenom
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          What's your team?

      • Jonny Bananas
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        To go alongside Alli, Mkhitaryan, Salah....would you go:

        A) KdB Carroll (bench)

        B) Eriksen Carroll (bench)

        C) Son and Ramsey (selection headache)

        TIA

        1. Elwood
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          B - definitely B

          1. Dee Lixon
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Yup, B easily

            1. Jonny Bananas
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              Cheers

        2. @fpl_phenom
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          A if you can afford it

      • FPL ZB
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        'Important: Please note Leagues will be processed by Wednesday. We apologise for the delay and appreciate your patience. Rest assured future Gameweeks will be updated immediately. '

        It's Wednesday, they aren't processed. Draft is a farce.

      • A Team Of James McCleans
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Is it too soon to ditch kdb?

        1. jose1
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Definitely too soon he is unreal

          1. A Team Of James McCleans
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            I need to upgrade zaha though

            1. jose1
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              I'm in the same boat as you I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of him. I'm thinking off swapping for atsu or Richie which will free up funds?

      • jose1
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 2 months ago

        Do you think Zahas price will drop this week? Is it risky holding onto him until end of next week?

        Thinking Atsu or Ritchie as a replacement to free up funds?

        1. MTPockets
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Probably. Yes.
            I have Ritchie but not sure at all.

        2. J0E
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 15 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          New Community Article

          Here's Pav A Nice Day with a look at the players to consider and those to drop on this week's FPL Draft waiver.

          http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2017/08/16/watching-the-waiver-wire-gameweek-2/

        3. Tim Canterbury
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          No autosubs in Draft?

          1. Patty
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            No game not updated yet, fpl has said it will be updated today.

            1. Tim Canterbury
              • 13 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              Oh good. Well happy with 55 after subs

        4. DAZZ
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Anyone tripling up on man united? Ive gone double at the back, DDG + Jones, with Rom up top, cant ignore their fixtures

          1. White Hart Kane
            • 13 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Jones Mkh Kaku

        5. RLukaku
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          What are people's team value so far??

          1. Patty
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            100.1 🙂

          2. ooooo
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            100.3mil

          3. Team Cruel
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            100m sell value 🙁

            1. Rupert The Horse
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              Ha.

          4. Rupert The Horse
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            100.3.
            No transfers made.

            1. RLukaku
              • 7 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              Well played

            2. White Hart Kane
              • 13 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              Why'd you start Lejeune, Rupert?

              1. Rupert The Horse
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                7 years, 2 months ago

                Haha. I really do not know. I guess it just boiled down to home vs away fixture. Other than that I really don't know.

          5. Captain Roberto
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            100.3 🙂

            Rolling in it

        6. maclrc
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Current 3-man midfield is Zaha-Willian-KdB
          What the best option for getting Zaha out. Pogba/Mkhi look good (although Mkhi price rise makes things tricky...)? Should I downgrade kdB?

          Foster
          Daniels-Bertrand-Dawson
          Zaha-KdB-Willian
          Kane-Lukaku-Jesus

          Ellio-TC-Oriol Romeu-Mee-Hunemeier

          1. RLukaku
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            KDB to Mane
            Zaha TO Mkhitarian

            1. maclrc
              • 7 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              Have 0 ITB, so can't do that unfortunately

              1. RLukaku
                • 7 Years
                7 years, 2 months ago

                Oh sorry! What about this
                KDB to Salah
                Zaha TO Mkhitarian

                1. Team Cruel
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 2 months ago

                  Think you've missed the price changes.

                  1. RLukaku
                    • 7 Years
                    7 years, 2 months ago

                    Oh my bad, forgot Mkhitarian and Salah went up

                2. maclrc
                  • 7 Years
                  7 years, 2 months ago

                  Again, because Salah and Mkhi have both gone up 0.1m, that doesn't work either. KdB and Zaha currently worth 17m combined

          2. Patty
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Zaha > Ramsey

            1. maclrc
              • 7 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              Not convinced on Ramsey. It isn't clear if he's nailed

        7. Patty
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Bench 1
          A. Danilo (EVE)
          B. Daniels (WAT)
          C. JWP (WHU)

          1. RLukaku
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Danilo

          2. Luca Toni
            • 12 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Daniels as CS seems unlikely for Watford

        8. White Hart Kane
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Salah + Atsu
          or
          Ramsey + Willian?

          Tow of Atsu/Suttner/Lowe/RLC would play each week

          1. White Hart Kane
            • 13 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Also have Firmino

          2. Rupert The Horse
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Salatsu

        9. BrutalLogiC
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          So Zaha, still likely to play weekend but a slight doubt? Or is it more serious?

          1. Rupert The Horse
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            Month out.

            1. BrutalLogiC
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              really?

              1. Rupert The Horse
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 11 Years
                7 years, 2 months ago

                Simply google Zaha injury. Lots of info.

                1. BrutalLogiC
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 2 months ago

                  deary me

                  1. @fpl_phenom
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 2 months ago

                    He's rubbish anyway

        10. jose1
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          How did atsu play vs Tottenham ?

          1. Luca Toni
            • 12 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            He played well may be best amongst Newcastle players made some quick runs and getting into penalty box.

          2. BrutalLogiC
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            positive

            1. jose1
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 2 months ago

              I have read that he was their best and most dangerous player by far. Good fixtures and value looks like the best replacement for Zaha IMO.

        11. Puyol Pants Up
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Was all set for Mooy as my Zaha replacement until I realised he only managed 4 goals and 7 assists last season in the championship. For a side that finished in 5th place that's very average isn't it?

        12. FPLMatt
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          On a serious note has anyone heard the story about the two chairs, and marks ehhhhcker? I've found it to be a very good influence when deciding upon transfers.

          Regards,

          It's just my ehhhhhhcker tbh.

          1. Team Cruel
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 2 months ago

            The what? Put away the bottle mate.

        13. james_lebron
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 2 months ago

          Thoughts on Ince and Phillips?