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30 April 2013 1088 comments
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As Benteke runs riot and Liverpool blossom without Suarez to spank Newcastle in their own backyard, Fantasy managers were treated to a profitable Gameweek, with a fair smattering of controversy thrown in. As the dust settles, we pay tribute to the Belgian destroyer, the Merseyside blitz and try to find sense amongst “Bale-gate” Monday.

The Player

With just Monday night’s Villa Park encounter remaining, both Daniel Sturridge and Romelu Lukaku looked primed to wrestle the mantle of the Gameweek’s star man. Christian Benteke’s latest one-man show changed matters, however.

While we’ve already dealt with the numbers behind Benteke’s achievements this season, one statistic that sums up his role more than any other is the fact that he’s played a part in 59% of the goals scored by his side – a level of involvement that surpasses any other player in the league. Quite simply, Villa would likely have been relegated by this stage had the Belgian not been a factor.

The irony of all this is that, early in the season, Paul Lambert was being lambasted for leaving Darren Bent in the stands, watching on while a largely unproven striker led the line. Lambert knew better, however. His patience with Benteke as he settled into his stride and Villa’s pattern of play should be commended. By the time Benteke struck a brace as Liverpool were embarrassed by his talent at Anfield in Gameweek 17, it was clear that Lambert had been right to back the new arrival. Bent has failed to earn a recall, leaving Benteke to notch 18 goals in first top flight season.

The summer will doubtless bring mounting speculation on Benteke’s future at the club but, in many ways, Lambert deserves to have the impressive Belgian at his disposal next term, as a reward for his judgment and unshakable faith in young players. Certainly, Fantasy managers will welcome the opportunity to work with Benteke again, although this season’s price tag of 6.5 in the Fantasy Premier League game is set for an almighty hike.

The Team

They were supposed to be a one man team. Without Luis Suarez, Liverpool would struggle, many assumed. Instead, a trip to St James’ Park afforded the Merseysiders the perfect opportunity to draw a line under the biting controversy that had dogged them since the Uruguayan decided to sink him teeth into Branislav Ivanovic the previous weekend. With Daniel Sturridge handed the chance to lead the line in Brendan Rodgers’ 4-3-3, Liverpool tore apart a sorry Magpies side in a display of slick, attacking football that not only caught the eye but delivered their most emphatic victory of the season.

Sturridge was hugely instrumental. Having climbed off the bench the previous week to deliver a goal and assist against his former club Chelsea, he vindicated the show of faith that had persuaded over 50,000 FPL managers to snap him up in light of Suarez’s suspension with a brace and assist in a clinical performance. Since arriving from Stamford Bridge back in January, Sturridge has now delivered seven goals, four assists and five bonus points – over 11 appearances, that’s 66 points, or six points per game; only Robin Van Persie (7.0) and Suarez (6.4) have managed more this term amongst forwards. With Suarez set to remain on the sidelines for the remaining three games of this season and the first six of the following campaign, Sturridge has the potential to be a key Fantasy asset – many will surely be pencilling him to their three man frontlines over the summer when the price lists are rolled out in July.

Elsewhere for Rodgers’ side, an able cast of midfielders chipped in with substantial returns. Philippe Coutinho maintained his impressive displays since joining from Inter in January with a pair of assists and has now produced two goals and five assists in just nine starts, while the previously maligned Stewart Downing and Jordan Henderson continue to step up under Rodgers’ guidance. Downing mirrored Coutinho’s creative contribution while Henderson, operating as the most advanced central midfielder, equalled Sturridge’s haul with a brace and assist and is clearly thriving as a result of a consistency of starts. Frustratingly for Steven Gerrard’s owners, he failed to contribute to any of the Reds’ goals and now has just two converted spot-kicks in the last eight, with his deep-lying role relying on penalties and set-pieces to boost his points potential.

Encouragingly for Fantasy managers, Liverpool have now scored 67 goals this term – only Chelsea (68) and United (79) have managed more, though aside from Suarez and Gerrard, their assets have been kindly priced this term. Given the impact of Sturridge and Coutinho, it remains to be seen just what sort of price hike can be expected next time round but if the Reds continue in the same rich attacking vein, their popular Fantasy prospects will undoubtedly extend far beyond a certain Uruguayan.

The Talking Point

“Balegate” dominated our Monday morning. We spent the weekend waiting for the situation to resolve, only to see a status update that was first to deny us the assist and then, hours later, reward it. There was confusion, there was minor outrage but, when all said and done, most are in agreement that the right decision was made.

We shouldn’t lose sight of that. The Premier League reviewed the goal to assess whether Gareth Bale touched Tom Huddlestone’s cross, came to a conclusion and then reassessed that original verdict after further review. The process wasn’t perfect but at least it was transparent and, to my mind, the end decision was correct.

To a great extent, Monday’s events are a symptom of the current assist ruling. A definition that leads to few contentious issues over the season but, when they do arise, they create scenarios that have to be assessed with a human eye and are often incredibly difficult to unravel. They require an individual or a group of individuals to assess footage to an almost forensic level in order to ascertain whether player X has touched the ball.

The alternative is to tweak the ruling to revert back to what we had two seasons ago; to only consider touches when they make a significant difference to the path of the ball. Perhaps a flick on or touch that changes the course of the pass or cross before the goal is converted.

The problem here is that we are then increasing the subjectivity by making it an individual’s decision to judge what is a significant touch. Arguably, this would not only lead to an increase in the number of decisions to be made but also a hike in the amount of contentious assists awarded. It would also make it far harder to maintain consistency over the season.

So what do we want? Clarity and consistency that leads to fewer decisions but with the possibility of more controversial incidents? Or a degree of subjectivity which could lead to more frequent contention, perhaps on a smaller scale.

Personally, I lean towards the latter because I think it’s impossible to rule the subjectivity out completely using the existing system. It’s going to happen once or twice a season and when it does, it can create a storm rather than a mild tremor. For me, it seems easier to argue for or against a significant touch than to painstakingly examine footage to decipher whether the ball glanced off a stud or shin.

Imagine we had Bale’s incident but on the final day of the season with the overall game leaders and mini-leagues waiting on the decision. If we were basing the assist on a significant touch – whether Bale’s intervention led to Boyce scoring the own goal, the decision seems cut and dry – Huddlestone’s cross did not deviate enough to rob him of the assist – we don’t have to spare a thought as to whether Bale touched it or not. That’s a decision that can be made in seconds and, in this case, the argument against the verdict seems paper-thin.

This is just one case when, over the season, there would likely be a decision to make every match. To solve this, I’d probably go a stage further and let an expert make the decisions. Opta’s view of an assist is pretty clear:

“The final pass or pass come shot leading to the recipient of the ball scoring a goal.”

While this would give us fewer assists in the game and reduce the number of points being churned, it would mean that we’d have a ready-made decision maker available to assess each assist and an established and proven set of criteria available to refer to.

Opta are used to making these judgments, it’s their business. With Opta now the data provider for the Premier League, this route should be available but it would mean a fairly radical change to the game, in that we’d see the number of assists reduced which, in turn, could also reduce the bonus points allocated (depending on whether the PPI is retained as the basis of the bonus system next season).

Despite this, I think it’s the best route forward. Opta are experienced at making the call – their assists feed other Fantasy games and, in my view, they are a fair assessment of an assist award on a player level.

Players should not earn an assist if their cross is headed 30 yards outside the box before being converted. Players should not earn an assist if they choose to shoot only to see the ball rebound to a team-mate who then converts. The assist should only be awarded when the objective of the player delivering the ball is achieved eg: the pass to the intended target is completed before that target then scores.

The Premier League have expert decision makers available to them – data and football analyst experts who have a set assist criteria, established and proven. It might be wise to use them and take the points hit on the chin.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. PGR
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Benteke! What a hero! Back ahead in my minileague!

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    1. izo
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      12 years, 11 months ago

      Good job

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  2. Super Swans
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    i took a look at top 10 teams and most of them have berba and fellaini and also have done 1 transfer this week..who are they transfered in/out?

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    1. Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      would love to know 🙂

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      1. Super Swans
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        lukaku or walcott? which one u prefer?

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    2. CarelessGenius©
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Stalker.

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      1. Super Swans
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        haha...just curious... and most of them didnt have walcott as well.... im considering between walcott and lukaku now...

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        1. CarelessGenius©
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 11 months ago

          Seriously....that's a cheeky tactic. After all, the guys at the top have been doing this for years and know their onions. Unless they're lucky bar stewards.

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    3. SW6
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      A lot of Berbatov ➡ Lukaku moves this week I think.

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  3. D-Burls
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Anyone considering ditching RVP this week in favour of Aguero/Tevez?

    Worth it for -4?

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    1. Goaldigger
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Think I'm keeping actually. Not 100% made my mind up yet.

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    2. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Up against Chelsea.. and if SAF wants to actually give another striker a game it would be the following week, it wouldn't be the last game of the season that's for sure, and great fixtures for City....RVP>Aguero...tick..

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  4. Dogba
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Afternoon guys! Still pondering what to do with that man Berbatov... assuming he's still doubtful by Friday, which would you do (-4).

    A) Lukaku (Should be nailed on with recent performances and their tactical shift)
    B) Sturridge (I know, not DGW, but form and fixtures are in his favour)
    C) Someone else? Already got Kone & Tevez, can't afford Aguero realistically.

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      already did A. I see no way he will be fit for this weekend, given he tore his calf. If he's out for this weekend, I see no reason to hang onto him, I had only been keeping him with the Reading game in mind

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      1. Dogba
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        We have no confirmation that he has torn his calf though? I thought he was going to have a scan.

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    2. Goaldigger
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      I'd do Lukaku in your shoes.

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    3. Spencer
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      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      A looks good to me.

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    4. Dogba
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Thanks for the feedback, A is looking mighty tempting, even more so as a Chelsea fan.

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  5. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Mark, I disagree that the process FPL took was 'transparent'...it was downright confusing for everyone!!

    The first update they gave was 'Bale gets no touch'

    then 20 mins later they change it...that's not transparent that's just idiotic and confusing.

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    1. Goaldigger
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Yeah and it tool two days to get a message up saying they would review it. I think they handled it poorly.

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      1. Goaldigger
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        *took

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      2. Mark
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        • 19 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        I think, generally, the reviews take place on Monday, hence the delay. That's been pretty common this season. Although I suppose an announcement that it was under a review would have prevented a lot of angst.

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    2. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 19 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Well I guess the whole status page was a step forward in that, at least we have some communication now. I agree though, the first update was clearly a mistake and we can only imagine the chain of events involved.

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      1. Goaldigger
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        Do you know how many people are involved in maintaining the FPL game? Would be interesting to know, I work for an online games company too and the storms we endure sometimes...

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      2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        Yeah, there is clearly more than one person making these decisions, surely? How could they make such a calamitous mistake as to claim it wasn't assist then 20 mins later claim it is?

        Very strange but fair enough!

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      3. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        The status change strongly suggests the chain of events involved baseball bats

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
          • 14 Years
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          😆

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      4. Canadian Football
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        +1 I agree....they kept the player informed. At the end of the day, they got it right....that is the luxury of having every game televised so that every goal can be reviewed.

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    3. Count of Monte Hristo
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      They should have put the goal up for review immediately and awarded the initial points as provisional not confirmed. If you see points as confirmed it seems ridiculous for them to be removed later on.

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      1. Mark
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 19 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        I thought Saturday's points remained provisional until Monday?

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        1. Portuguese&Proud
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 11 months ago

          and they did !

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    4. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      The most important thing here is the right outcome was achieved.

      Have you never made a mistake in your life? Yes they made a mistake based on the information they had available to them. Not everyone in the world was aware of this gif that was being passed around FFS. They saw the evidence and changed their mind.

      Good on them.

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        This is the best thing I have read today, Luke Chadwick you're a legend 🙂

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      2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        yeah fair enough but what I'm saying too is surely this wasn't just one person.

        Did one person say 'it 100% didn't touch bale' then change his mind 20 mins later? I doubt it...I'd imagine there was a few people arguing over it.

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      3. Gargamel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        They'll be gutted to to learn that Chu Yung Ping Pong and RonH fabricated that GIF just to test their powers

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      4. KakiBangku
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        The best gif i seen. Ever.

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  6. Buck The Trent
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Who to sell for a DGWer based on fixtures

    A Baines (liv WHM che)
    B Rafael (che SWA wba)

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    1. Goaldigger
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Rafael, some serious risk of rotation.

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    2. OPTA FPL
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      B

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    3. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      B

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    4. Buck The Trent
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Cheers

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  7. Hitman MHK
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Wildcard Draft 1.0

    Hart | Robles
    Vertonghen | Luiz | Sagna | Boyce | Demel |
    Bale | Mata | Michu | Nasri | Maloney
    Aguero | 7.0 | 7.0 |

    Looks like a 3-5-2 this week, Benteke + Lukaku as strikers or ?
    Next week Michu to Walcott.

    Thanks! 🙂

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  8. Beavis
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Soooooo GW36 team current looks like this and I need some advice please.

    Bunn
    Johnson Davies Dawson
    Bale Hazard Gomez Gerrard
    RVP Ba Lambert

    1FT, 0.6 in the bank

    Options that I'm thinking of are:
    A) Johnson -> Kompany/Vertonghen, Lambert -> Kone (-4)
    B) Gerrard -> Mata, Lambert -> Kone (-4)
    C) DDG -> Lloris (and play over Bunn), Johnson -> Luiz, Lambert -> Kone (-8)

    I know this is long but would really appreciate some help in this dramatic finale to what has been a terrible season!

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    1. SW6
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      I like B the best. You could do RVP to Tevez/Aguero as well if you wanna really go for it.

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    2. Mainevent
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      D) Gerrard -> Michu, Lambert- > Tevez if you have enough cash

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      1. Beavis
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        Not interested in Michu but thank you. Need to go up in ranks, his ownership is too high and I simply think his season is over. Maybe 1 goal this gameweek but that's about it I would say.

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    3. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      B

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      1. Beavis
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        Those saying B would you say it's worth going -4 more and getting Lloris for DDG and playing over Bunn?

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    4. Beavis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Much appreciated everyone, B's looking good then!

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  9. Siva Mohan
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    How many would like to see a great game tonight and Real Madrid progressing to the finals?

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      no thanks, Dortmund are everyone's favourite underdogs, I want them to win the CL

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    2. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Yeah...I would...Real Madrid vs Barca final would be just fantastic...must be about 1000/1 odds on that now.

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      1. SW6
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        Would it really? Their games are always full of petty fouls and acting. Bayern v Dortmund will be a great final.

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        1. Dr Dream
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 11 months ago

          Yeah...not the game itself....although we could always hope, but the general buzz and atmosphere about the whole event....

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    3. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      German final for me. That'll teach people to say how 'great' it will be to have El Classico at Wembley. Almost ignoring how good the German teams are, disrespectful.

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      1. Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        That'll learn 'em! Agree though bored of El Classicos let's see the top two German teams battle it out. Both full of goals too.

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    4. Somalion
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Not me, Dortmund all the way.

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  10. isacki: full casual
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Soooooooo..... #kolarovridesagain?

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Again? The legend never got off.

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Kolarov (c) GW37

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    3. SuperOsçarBaby
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      #Lescott

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  11. isacki: full casual
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Haxy hax hax
    Room name: FFS
    Password: 123

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  12. Canadian Football
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Mark, at the end of the day they got it right. IMO the assist rule is fine the way it is, as it takes out all subjectivity. FPL have access to video on every match. Further, the more assists, the higher the score, the higher the score, the more interest in FPL.

    Question.....what the hell is a "pass-cum-shot" be above.

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      I can show you a gif to clear up what it is if you'd like.

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      1. Canadian Football
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        LOL.....

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    2. Willis.
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      lol cum shot

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    3. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 19 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Sure...like I say, I just don't like some of the "assists" it creates but, I agree, it does make for more points and the general opinion seems that this is a good thing. Really interesting reaction - I'm sure the FPL will be pleased 😉

      Re: the Opta definition...it's taken from here...

      http://www.optasportspro.com/en/about/optapro-blog/posts/2012/optapro's-event-definitions.aspx

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        I think when it comes to OPTA, it's perfectly fine to be completely strict about assists. They are all about recording the events that happen on a football pitch with the utmost accuracy.

        That's to be commended and it's great that they are involved in FPL next year because the accuracy is important.

        But when it comes to assists, what OPTA defines as assists shouldn't really dictate what FPL want to define as assists. FPL are doing this to allow for more points-scoring and more flexibility. It's fantasy football after all and the rules about assists are quite nicely defined...even if they do seem absurd from time to time.

        We don't play FPL purely for stats, we play it for the fun of it and the joy of getting points from players we picked over other players. Whilst there is an element of luck about some of the assists, I don't think I've ever felt aggrieved enough about an assist that I would want these rules to be abolished. I just know they are the rules as stated by FPL and I'm glad to comply with it if it generally makes the game better!

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      2. King Nil Miss ✩
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        +1 here.

        And it makes it easier to assess your players points even if you´re only watching on TV without net access.

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  13. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Yaya and defoe in for lambert and Pienaar?

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    1. SuperOsçarBaby
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      keep Lambert? nice fixtures until end of season.

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      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks

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      2. Messi & fabregas
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        Nice fixtures???

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        1. SuperOsçarBaby
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 11 months ago

          Sunderland (A)
          Stoke City (H)

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    2. Canadian Football
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      why did Adebayor not make the bench last week....no news on him anywhere. Injured? Out of Favor? If it were confirmed Defoe was nailed on for both DGW, i reckon he is a must.

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  14. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    I wish Thursday would hurry up and get here. Then i can decide between Hazard and Mata

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  15. Jönny
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    POINTLESS TRIVIA QUIZ TIME: If you'd captained the highest scoring player in FPL every single week since GW1, how many points do you think it would have got you?

    Obviously it's an unlikely scenario as you'd have to have captained, amongst others, Figueroa, Townsend, Rangel, Routledge and, most recently, Henderson...

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      and Jordi Gomez

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    2. Eboue
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      4

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      1. Jönny
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        Go back to Skills School...

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    3. Jönny
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Nobody wants to play 🙁 That's 3 minutes of my life I'll never get back...

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      1. faux_C
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 11 months ago

        1020ish?

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  16. Sickboy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Benching Walcott at QPR feels so wrong even if it is for a DGW player (probably Defoe/Kone).

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  17. Aditya K
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    I may be asking this for the nth time ..but..

    Walcott or Tekkers?

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  18. ViperStripes
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    Front and Mid all set.

    Backline:
    DDG/3.9
    Enrique, Baines, Clyne, (Wilson), (Pearce)

    Chasing a 14pt league in 2 ML’s already used FT this week.

    Clyne > Dawson? Boyce? someone else? Leave as is?
    .

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    1. KakiBangku
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Id say leave it and reassess the race aftet the DGW.

      Mainly because its not a good DGW for defenders. Unless you know for certain a City defender that will start both games that you can afford.

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  19. Epic Fail
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    The whole room died when you left, Isacki.

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    1. Portuguese&Proud
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      what could go wrong?
      😆

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    2. ★FC Borecelona★
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 11 months ago

      Just made a room btw

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  20. applebonkers
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    • 16 Years
    12 years, 11 months ago

    just noticed that hazard was only 1ppi behind lampard for the 2bps, despite lampard getting a goal and an assist.
    there's also oscar beating lampard by 8ppi, with seemingly identical net shot stats:
    oscar: goal, 2 shots blocked.
    lampard: goal, 2 shots blocked, 1 on target, 1 blocked.

    assuming the 1 extra on target and 1 extra off target cancel eachother out then lampard effectively has 15ppi less with the same shot stats as oscar (15 if you add lampard's assist ppi to the 8 difference).

    15ppi is a lot. lampard played 67mins to oscar's 90. oscar had 60 passes (3rd highest in the match) to lampard's 45. both players completed 1 cross. neither player had a block or a yellow card. oscar had 5 tackles (joint best in the match with luiz) to lampard's 1.

    all in all i can see how the above snuck oscar ahead of lampard ppi wise outside of goals and assists, but 15 is a big margin (again the 8 difference + 7ppi for lampard's assist). i still really suspect penalties are worth less than other goals ppi wise.

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    1. applebonkers
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      *lampard: goal, 2 shots blocked, 1 on target, 1 OFF TARGET.

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      But can you explain how Hazard got 1 BP without any attacking returns? That one is interesting to me as I'm looking to acquire a Chelsea mid for DGW.

      Hazard getting 1BP despite no returns suggests he was extremely dangerous, but perhaps a tad unlucky?

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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        I have a feeling he got them for his crosses and key passes...he was very lively in that respect

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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          AK said he got MOTM

          It's a tough call. Mata looks far more consistent, ala Silva/Valencia last season. Hazard looks to be more Naniesque in his returns. If I was defending from a rival who has Mata I'd just get Hazard, but knowing Mata could outscore him makes me nervous

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      2. applebonkers
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        thought hazard would be in the mix for thw 1bp but getting enough to almost beat lampard surprised me.
        his stats were:
        1 shot on target, none off target. 90mins in the win, midfielder clean sheet, match high 3 completed crosses.

        i predicted baines a bp purely on the back of crosses so it seems they are one factor which you can confidently say play a part

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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          so he was dangerous due to crosses basically as he had just 1 shot. Thanks AB

          I'll make the call Thursday or Friday after Europa.

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          1. applebonkers
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            yeah from memory mata and ba looked more dangerous, but chelsea as a whole were very impressive

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            1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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              cheers.

              I always thought Hazard from open play was more dangerous, Mata more from set-pieces.

              As I said to Unreal, Mata is a bit like Valencia last season in his scoring, Hazard is more like Nani.

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              1. applebonkers
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                you could argue in the first half of the season mata was nani and hazard was valencia

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                1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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                  hmm, maybe

                  Out of interest, if you had neither who would you pick? If it helps rival has Mata and I'm defending

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    3. Mílanista
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      Removing the Benteke grav went well then.

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    4. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      that's good really as taking a shot on target in open play is harder than doing it for a pen.

      What about key passes, do they get players ppi?

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      1. applebonkers
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        don't think so, again though impossible to know for sure, we need a freak game where no player does anything but there's a player with a tonne of key passes, yet isn't the top passer in the game, and gets a good ppi

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    5. applebonkers
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      just to note these are whoscored cross stats, so they may not be the same as FPL get fed

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  21. SW6
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    Would be great if Hernandez or Dzeko went to somewhere like Spurrs over the summer.

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      Chicha won't go I feel. If Dzeko goes I think he'll go back to Germany

      My dream scenario

      Baines to United, City sign a lb thus leaving them with a lb to offload, and Everton with a vacancy that can be filled by KOLAROV

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      1. SW6
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        Dzeko to Dortmund seems quite likely with Lewandowski leaving doesn't it.
        A regularly playing Kolarov would be something quite special.

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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          But what just went through my head is that Kolarov at Everton would likely be as frustrating to own as Baines is now, due to nobody finishing his crosses.

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  22. Feed tha Sheep
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    Rafael fellani and lambert to vertongon maloney and lukaku worth an 8pt hit?
    Or better options??
    Cheers

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    1. Messi & fabregas
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      i will be keeping fellaini as next week they play home to west ham + keeping him u have no dilemma who to bench this week

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      1. Feed tha Sheep
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        I have Gutrie to never have a dilemma lol

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        1. Baby Cuties
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          me too. he got 6 points last week tehehe

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  23. /
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    So was all the emails people sent really what swayed the assist decision?

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    1. Ógie
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      Especially when we started emailing there sponsors about possible boycott of there products then they felt the pressure.Look at Barclays home page with a big picture with integrity on it 😆

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      1. Mílanista
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        "Started emailing sponsors" 😆

        Jesus wept

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      2. Somalion
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        😆

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    2. Ógie
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      http://group.barclays.com/home

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      1. Mark
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        Please do not discuss users currently under moderation. It's unfair. I've seen you do this on numerous occasions. Please stop.

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        😯 who did he mention?

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  24. Messi & fabregas
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    good to go? any comments/suggestions?

    hart

    dawson-azpicueta-demel/sagna

    mata-michu-walcott-bale(c)

    aguero-tevez-kone

    bench: fellaini, sagna/demel, wilson

    thanks

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  25. ★FC Borecelona★
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    Hax 123

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    1. Ógie
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      😆

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    2. Mílanista
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      😀

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      😆

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      😆

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  26. faux_C
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    I'm really wavering between Nasri and Silva. Money is no object, which would you pick?

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    1. LewanGOALski
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      I think it's Silva's turn now to provide sth 😉

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    2. iain_90
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      I would pick Nasri I think.

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    3. Ógie
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      I will probably go with Silva

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  27. Somalion
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    As for the subjectivity, I honestly think that even if it was a clear case of "only a significant touch or pass" you couldn't discount Bale's touch. You can see fairly clearly that the ball was deflected downward to Boyce's leg when, if Bale had not been there, there is a valid argument for claiming the ball may not have hit Boyce or struck him in the manner that lead to the goal. I think that regardless there will be subjectivity and ambiguity in these situations.

    http://i.imgflip.com/19n9x.gif

    My thinking is, as Mark put it, that the objective of the player should be the main factor and the level of influence that their pass has. A direct and clear goal scoring opportunity that may take a slight deflection first is still an assist in my view. A ball cleared (poorly) by a defender to an opposition player who then takes on the defender and scores isn't an assist at all.

    Just my 2 cents 😉

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    1. Ógie
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      That was the softest 10 points i picked up all session must send a few emails off every week it will add up at the end of the session 😆

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      1. Somalion
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        😆 I think it's a great new game plan 😀

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    1. Ógie
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      Journalism standards are after going way down in recent years

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  28. Mr. O'Connell
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    What to do with this lot?

    Robles
    Nastasic, Baines, Turner
    Michu, Maloney, Yaya, Bale
    RVP, Aguero, Lukaku

    DDG, Fellaini, Sagna, Shaw

    1FT. Willing to take a 4 point hit. Currently leaning towards RVP > Kone and Shaw > Luiz.

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      In your position I'd probably keep RVP

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    2. Buck The Trent
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      Go for it

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    3. SW6
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      I'd try get Mata/Haz in for Fellaini somehow.

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      1. Mr. O'Connell
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        downgrade baines?

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      2. Mr. O'Connell
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        but then I'd be benching RVP and this is the last game I feel he will be majorly involved in.

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    4. /
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      Get Mata/Hazard

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