Opinion

The Burning Question – Do we sell or keep Kane before Gameweek 22

During this most wonderful time of the year, we’re frequently told that it is better to give than to receive.

So in the spirit of Christmas, the first in a series of Burning Questions asks whether it’s time to give Harry Kane the elbow, or continue to receive meagre points – albeit with the potential for a whole lot more – from the out of sorts Spurs talisman.

To consider this conundrum, we’ve brought together a panel of heavy-hitting Fantasy managers to team up with our regular Fantasy Football Scout contributors.

Last season’s top two in Fantasy Premier League, Ben Crabtree and Uwais Ahmed, are joined by the current leaders of both our “live” and “career” Hall of Fame – Jay Egersdorff and Peter Kouwenberg – to study the issue.

To counter balance their expertise, this week our very own Mark takes his turn to debate our first festive Burning Question – do we sell or keep Harry Kane before Gameweek 22?

Jay Says…

For me it’s a short-term keep.

Harry Kane faces Stoke City and Brighton in quick succession – and both at home.

Likewise, he has no Champions League duties to worry about midweek as Spurs are though as group winners already and I’d expect Mauricio Pochettino to rest a number of key players.

They desperately need to get back on track in the league; their title bid is all but gone while the Champions League places are slowly drifting away too.

Yes, they’ve had a rocky patch, but I’m expecting Spurs to return to the mean.

Look at Everton a fortnight ago – people were backing them for a relegation battle, but two wins inside a week has seen them back in mid-table, which is a more accurate reflection of their default status.

Two good home matches in a week is a similar opportunity for Spurs, and I see them earning maximum points, with Kane a key architect.

As regards the Double Gameweek 22, I think it would be wise to have a free transfer carried over from Gameweek 16 or 17.

This would allow a Kane downgrade ahead of Man City and then Burnley away – two fixtures where, if he’s still off form, you’d expect long odds for him to regain his scoring streak against two mean defences.

The second free transfer would enable you to redistribute the money freed up by selling Kane as another forward might emerge by then.

It’s fair to say that Alvaro Morata is currently the only nailed-on big hitter and he’s sat on four yellows – another argument for the idea of a short-term Kane ‘wait and see’ option.

Peter Says…

Just over a third of us have blindly gone from week to week increasingly desperate that Spurs’ own ’Arry Kane must be about to rediscover the form which has brought him matching Premier League Golden Boots.

And week after week, the naked truth has been that Kane – and Spurs – are more pinchbeck than prolific this season.

Captaincy options aside, this game is about finding value.

At 12.8, the striker is the FPL Goliath for price, yet 17 players are within ten points of him (and many ahead of Kane’s 82), while Mohamed Salah is disappearing over the horizon with a 31-point advantage.

Significantly for Kane’s owners, that collection includes Pascal Großs (6.0), Richarlison (6.6) and Aaron Ramsey (7.2).

Put bluntly, the value now lies in midfield and defence, and the output of the premium strikers no longer justifies the heavy investment required.

For me, Kane will probably be handed his P45 before Spurs visit the Etihad in Gameweek 18.

No doubt he’ll score before returning to my squad for that alluring Double Gameweek 22, but so will many other options who cost half Kane’s fee and will allow me to strengthen all round for the hectic Christmas period.

Ben Says…

Given the double in Gameweek 22, where he should be essential (we’ll see), transferring him out means using two free transfers out of the next seven on one player.

In fact, it might work out at more than two transfers as that 12-something million gets spread around the team: bye bye Elliot, hello De Gea; bye bye Loftus-Cheek, hello Ramsey etc.

Factor in the potential points Kane can get against Stoke City, Brighton and Southampton and it’s a simple decision to keep him for most managers.

However, if you want to do better than most managers, could a Kane sacrifice be rewarded by the FPL gods with differential captain points and multiple player upgrades?

I actually think yes, there will be a few ways to make ditching more profitable than keeping. It’s just extremely risky and difficult to find them.

There are against the grain, ahead of the curve and differential decisions to make that fly you up the rankings, but for me this isn’t one of them.

Selling is a high risk, low probability move. Captain Kane against Stoke for me, because definitely this time he’s definitely “due”.

Uwais Says…

If you look at the fixtures in isolation from now until Double Gameweek 22, you would say that there are some real opportunities for Kane to fire – and fire big.

However, we are now approaching the halfway mark of the season, and I believe that it is proving increasingly difficult to justify his selection until those double fixtures.

He sits second only to Alvaro Morata in the forward standings, but the fact is that given his relatively pedestrian returns of late, his price tag is just too restrictive when considering what else that money could do with our squads.

We now have enough of a sample size from Spurs’ performances so far this season, and the fact is that they are not playing with the same attacking verve and cohesion as we have seen in recent years.

Having watched them closely recently, they seem to be playing safe and what I call ‘ball to feet’ football and Kane does not look as threatening as in previous seasons.

For his price tag of 12.8, you would expect consistent points and occasionally explosive returns.

Given the fact that other premium players such as Hazard, Coutinho, Firmino and Sanchez are now showing signs of life and we also have consistent performers in Salah and De Bruyne to turn to, the fact is that those funds are probably best placed elsewhere at present.

Until Gameweek 22, that is!

Mark Says…

It seems all kinds of wrong to lose faith in Kane.

But such a view is part of my own DNA. While somewhat “maverick” and aggressive as a Fantasy manager, I’m also known to cling to the comfort of FPL’s “top asset”, whoever that might be. Whether it’s Robin van Persie or Sergio Aguero, historically, I’m all over them.

So I’m a Kane zealot, deciding to sacrifice him feels like a wrench and against my instincts.

I can’t deny that I’m tempted, and that the decision to keep him could well scupper my season.

Typically, I turn to statistics to justify my viewpoints and the same applies here.

As we mentioned in The Digest earlier today, after 15 Gameweeks Kane has scored goals at exactly the same rate at the same point in his 29-goal Golden Boot season.

However, this season he’s fired shots at double the frequency (15.2 minutes vs 30.4 minutes) and, for all the talk on the quality of his shots, he’s had 12 big chances to last season’s seven at this stage.

That screams for me to sit tight and wait for Kane’s natural goalscoring instincts to kick back in.

So that’s what I’ll do, perhaps until Gameweek 21 when, if I can somehow manoeuvre to have two free transfers, I’ll be shipping him out temporarily.

If there was a compelling straight swap, I might just reconsider for his tougher short-term fixtures. However, selling him on and redistributing the funds over my squad – which is surely a necessity – doesn’t appeal when I know I’ll want and need him back.

1,491 Comments Post a Comment
  1. goriuanx
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Bakayoko's first touch gives Lukaku a run for his money.

    1. Syd.
      • 15 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Has been somewhat disappointing

  2. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    I have to respectfully disagree with Mark. After the Manchester Derby, he will want Lukaku for his gorgeous run of fixtures.

    His faith in Harry Kane flies in the logic of what has actually happened this season.

    This is the most damning quote of them all:

    "At 12.8, the striker is the FPL Goliath for price, yet 17 players are within ten points of him (and many ahead of Kane’s 82), while Mohamed Salah is disappearing over the horizon with a 31-point advantage.

    Significantly for Kane’s owners, that collection includes Pascal Großs (6.0), Richarlison (6.6) and Aaron Ramsey (7.2)."

    1. Bring the Cavalry
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      If Lukaku is still playing the way he is playing the now I highly doubt he will want him

    2. asquishypotato
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Kane and Spurs may not be playing well but as soon as they click then Kane is on - the stats are there

      Lukaku and United are flat track bullies, but we’ve seen enough 4-0 wins where Lukaku gets barely anything to no warrant attention. Eye test and Ibra, plus Lukaku pulling a bit wider

      1. asquishypotato
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Guess each to their own - id like to make the trade over and use the cash to upgrade Caroll to Richarlison but I just don’t see it

    3. That Was Easy!
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Let me get this straight...you are saying that Mark in fact does not know what his own opinion, and your opinion about his opinion is more correct? Whoa.

    4. Sánchez
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Hasn't Kane scored 4 times as many goals as Lukaku in the last 8 gameweeks? 😉

    5. Pacer.
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      all these players and Kane are not exclusive

  3. J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 15 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Live Scoutcast getting underway shortly.

    Here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klt278QOvxk

    1. goriuanx
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      I want to hear some Phil Coutinho love 🙂

      1. DA Minnion (Former great)
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Phil Collins.

  4. Syd.
    • 15 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Bats being back must be a worry for Morata owners

    1. Dokdok666
      • 10 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Why?

      1. Syd.
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Likelihood that he will get rested soon now Chelsea have another fit forward

        1. Jimmers
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Morata will be so disappointed not to play in the FA Cup

          1. Syd.
            • 15 Years
            6 years, 11 months ago

            They have 8 games before then

    2. Leonard hatred
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      bats being back more worrying for Chelsea's owner tbhhhhh

  5. goriuanx
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Willian 6 runs down the pavilion

  6. Buck The Trent
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Bench one ?

    A RLC (BOU)
    B Daniels (cry)
    C Naughton (WBA)

    1. Scout Pics
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      B

    2. Rainer
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      B.

    3. Syd.
      • 15 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Throw them into a hat and pull one out

  7. Rainer
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Morata a non-option for captain this GW so.

    1. Syd.
      • 15 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Kane it is

    2. Wild Rover
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      He’s no Kane that’s for sure 😉

    3. Ask Yourself
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Why?

      1. Rainer
        • 8 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Potential minutes a big issue.

  8. LSP
    • 6 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Captaining Hazard against West Ham? Will he given another 10 minute cameo?

    Quite a busy schedule for Chelsea for the next 7 (including today)

  9. DA Minnion (Former great)
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Hazard to be rested at the weekend?

    1. Syd.
      • 15 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Maybe yes

      Maybe not

      Nobody knows

    2. Jimmers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Had a rest last week

  10. COYG
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Are we using out TC or saving it for next DGW?

    1. DA Minnion (Former great)
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Tom Carroll

    2. Jimmers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Do 'we' have a team?

    3. brianutd-why always we? 20
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Save

    4. Ask Yourself
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      YOU choose

  11. RAFA THE GAFFA
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Cheers Celtic, just let me down for £180 🙁

    1. Scout Pics
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Lol @ betting on Celtic

    2. Wild Rover
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      You bet on Celtic v non Scottish opponents? 😯

    3. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Darwin

      1. Syd.
        • 15 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        😆

    4. Leonard hatred
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      in fairness, that was only the payout on a £1 stake for Celtic to win.

      1. Patch
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Have you had much luck...could be viable.paying a £1 bet on the underdogs...could budget £20 a week and the upside being rediculous....

        Was your bet just for a win or an actual score prediction?

        1. Leonard hatred
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          i was joking about how bad celtic are, but its not worth doing.

          You're probably better off doing an acumulator and backing a handful of dead-cert results then taking a punt on a longer odds scoreline with teh improved odds.

    5. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      It was Barca, Utd, Celtic, Juve and Bayern. Silly putting Celtic in in hindsight

  12. FPL Emu
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Seriously, who is doing the side commentary for BT for the Utd game? Is it Hargreaves?

  13. Numb
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Sounds like only Uwais has plans to sell Kane this week.

  14. Wild Rover
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Morata would have scored that

  15. Carlton P
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Gw18..Kane > Lukaku
    Gw22..Lukaku > Kane, easy

    1. Buck The Trent
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      This

    2. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Lukaku though!

  16. brianutd-why always we? 20
    • 13 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Andy red carded from scoutcast

    1. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Has he been flagged already?

      1. brianutd-why always we? 20
        • 13 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Not yet!

    2. Syd.
      • 15 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Too busy celebrating Silva's goal

  17. Longlatini
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Christensen has looked class tonight, really composed

    1. Syd.
      • 15 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Certainly looks very good

      Cahill is done

    2. goriuanx
      • 14 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Performed like that in Bundesliga. Surprised he got the chance at Chelsea. Quality player.

  18. camarozz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Selling kane ➡ lacazette would allow me luxury of doing
    Mustafi ➡ Alonso.

    Have a feeling Alonso gonna score big over Xmas.

    Might just be worth the risk along with Arsenal fixtures

    1. Freddo
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Alonso was dropped tonight after his calamity defending gave Newcastle a goal.

      Might want to see how this plays out first.

      1. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Source?

        Looks as though he was just rested.

        1. Freddo
          • 7 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          No source, just looked at the team sheet and looked like it was his strongest possible team....without Alonso.

          1. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            6 years, 11 months ago

            Oh, OK you should have said 'in my opinion' in your reply to Camarozz then.

            The way that read was as if you were telling him that was the true reason.

    2. BERGKOP
      • 13 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Do not like these moves.

  19. shotgunnufc - MANIAC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    very frantic game, hazard looks a bit tired. unsure on the armband now

  20. liiusions
    • 9 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Loads hyped over Bakayoko despite never seeing him play before this season. He is god awful

  21. CloudSky
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    If Lpool takes the 1st place tomorrow, there are only 3 opponents that Chelsea can get in 1/16. PSG, Barcelona and Besiktas.

    1. Scout Pics
      • 7 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Good point. Hopefully they get their annual elimination at the hands of PSG.

      1. Sánchez
        • 12 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Annual? They aren't in it annually anymore

  22. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    All this Kane talk is screaming (K)ane!

    1. CloudSky
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      I'll take those 4 points as a man!

      1. Leonard hatred
        • 7 Years
        6 years, 11 months ago

        Feels like (K)ane is a differential at this point.

        So i've captained him. 4 points in the bag.

        1. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
          • 8 Years
          6 years, 11 months ago

          Better than 2.

          1. CloudSky
            • 8 Years
            6 years, 11 months ago

            Thats captaincy included. 😀

  23. Ask Yourself
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Another week full of 1 pointers coming can’t wait

    1. shotgunnufc - MANIAC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      hmmm this is my worry with morata, hazard, salah, coutinho... Could be kane captain at this rate

  24. Rainer
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Kane rest along with his main suppliers tomorrow night and we're back to square 1... (K)aneeeee!

    1. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      I think I'll do it..... I have a feeling 😉

  25. Majestic Chanka
    • 7 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Off topic but I hate that Nissan GTR advert on BT sport

    They’ve slowed down the car so much from what it actually can go like! It’s a terrible advert!

  26. Syd.
    • 15 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Looks like Chelsea will face one from PSG, Barcelona or Besiktas in the next round

    1. Numb
      • 9 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Bet they get Besiktas

  27. Rainer
    • 8 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Juve, Bayern & Real all 2nd place. Tough round of 16 draws ahead!

  28. goriuanx
    • 14 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    There is no advantage of winning your group any more in terms of opposition you can face.

    1. Syd.
      • 15 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      Get home advantage in the 2nd leg

    2. CloudSky
      • 8 Years
      6 years, 11 months ago

      7 top teams will get 1st seed compared to 4 in 2nd. Id say thats a decent advantage.

  29. Dr Dream
    • 12 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    Re the article

    In the real world I doubt Poch separates PL goals from CL goals, or any other kind of goals...

    Harry Kane is doing well again this season with 16 goals from 18 games including 3 from his last 4....any notion if being off form is entirely an FPL one and his lack of predictability....which of course is a problem to us.

    He's well over priced because the reality is Hazard and Salah are more predictable,...and even the likes of Ramsey, Ozil, Sterling, KDB and co are actually more predictable at the moment.

  30. It’s gonna Ben Mee
    • 10 Years
    6 years, 11 months ago

    *removes armband from Haz and puts it on Kane*