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Moneyball – Ricardo Vaz Te

In a new series of articles for members, we explore those unfashionable, unwanted and unexciting players who don’t necessarily come with You Tube clips or Armani ads but deliver that all important quantity which drives the “Moneyball” strategy: comparative value.

The term “Moneyball” found its way across the Atlantic for many with the arrival of John Henry, whose Fenway Sports Group added Liverpool to their holdings list alongside Henry’s great pride: the Boston Red Sox. Henry’s Red Sox failed in a bid to hire Billy Beane, the general manager of the Oakland A’s and chief proponent of the so-called Moneyball strategy but, using Beane’s approach to player acquisitions, went on to deliver their first championship in 86 years. Henry’s attempts to replicate his success on Mersyeside by applying certain principles to player analysis under Damien Comolli failed to have the desired effect, however.

Despite popular opinion, the lessons of Moneyball do not start and end with saving money or looking for one particular attribute in players, but rather looking for players discarded by the wider market, either because they succeed in an uncommon way or because they do so in a particularly unfashionable manner.

Given that most Fantasy managers spend a large portion of our money on just a handful of players, we, too, are forced to invest for value at the bottom end of our squad and in that arena we have to accept imperfection if we’re going to achieve success. Finding the right assets to fill the budget gaps in our squads can prove vital; the Moneyball series is here to help – to investigate the lower end market and attempt to find diamonds in the rough.

Using the Moneyball concept and the data available to our Members, we’ll attempt to identify and analyse players who perhaps appear “imperfect” solutions but, in fact, offer strong potential for those with limited funds.

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Chris Glover Creator of the plfantasy blog, providing a stats focused approach to fantasy football. Exiled to Canada but still prefer my sports played on grass rather than ice.” Follow him on Twitter

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  1. Mull
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Hello.

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    1. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Evening!

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      1. Mull
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        So we're in the 'hideout' again 🙂

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    2. Giggs Boson
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Welcome good sir the the FFS alley. What happens in this article, stay in this article 😉

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  2. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Going away from Football for a minute, I see Ricky Hatton is making a comeback with a face like his cant look any worse with a few more punches lets face it, but if he was to cross paths with Amir Khan who do we think would be victorious?

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    1. Mull
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Hatton.

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      1. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Well that went well didn't it I thought that would stoke up a bit of a debate 🙂

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    2. mowzer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Hatton. Definitely Hatton.

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  3. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Has anyone seen GF recently?

    Or did Now Back to Me scare him off?

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    1. Ginkapo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      The latter I suspect 🙂

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    2. Doosra - ☭Bolivia Giroud…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      On twitter. Girlfriend trouble again ...

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      1. Ginkapo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Did he headbutt her again? Cant believe he was proud of that

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        1. Doosra - ☭Bolivia Giroud…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Dunno. Didn't really pay attention ... she seems a handful, though.

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          1. ColeHole
            5 years, 1 month ago

            Can't defend violent behaviour though...:?

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            1. Doosra - ☭Bolivia Giroud…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              5 years, 1 month ago

              No. But she seems to instigate a fair bit.

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  4. CABAYE4
    5 years, 1 month ago

    About to hit the button on getting Snodgrass in for N'Zog on a 1 week punt.

    Has the two week break sent me totally mad?! 🙂

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    1. Mull
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      I'd get Nolan. Good form and nice fixtures coming up.

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      1. 4vets
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Morrison!

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        1. Giggs Boson
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          +12

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      2. CABAYE4
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Less of a threat minus Carroll.

        I want Morrison but don't fancy them this GW, probs would be better to go straight to him but Snodgrass has tempted me.

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        1. Mull
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Morrison also looks good. I'd bring him in this week because you don't want to waste two transfers going from N'Zog ➡ Snodgrass ➡ Morrison.

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          1. CABAYE4
            5 years, 1 month ago

            My head says that sounds like the right thing to do, I could even save the transfer and just play Cuellar this week.

            But I've just got a hunch that Snodgrass will deliver the goods this GW! I shouldn't need the transfer next week for anything else bar injuries, and I've had enough of them to last a season!

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    2. Doosra - ☭Bolivia Giroud…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Yes. Morrison ftw. 😉

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      1. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
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        5 years, 1 month ago

        +1242434343567880

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      2. CABAYE4
        5 years, 1 month ago

        See above.

        I want Morrison but from next GW. And I can't go 2 weeks without a transfer, I just can't!

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        1. Doosra - ☭Bolivia Giroud…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Two old drunks can't be wrong ... 😉

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          1. CABAYE4
            5 years, 1 month ago

            Is that what you tell yourself?!

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            1. Doosra - ☭Bolivia Giroud…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              5 years, 1 month ago

              Nope. It is what I know ... 😉

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        2. 4vets
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Patience Grasshopper... patience.

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          1. CABAYE4
            5 years, 1 month ago

            Never! I wan't to 'hop' from N'Zog onto Snodgrass!

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  5. Hungry
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Evening all. Just how much of a mistake am I making with my wildcard team?

    Cech (Jaask)
    Vermaelen-Baines-Bertrand (Demel-Figueroa)
    Pienaar-Michu-Cazorla-Hazard-Yaya
    Fletcher-Tevez (Vaz Te)

    Van Persie's been giving me nightmares, including him unbalances the team too much IMO. Any thoughts appreciated.

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    1. Doosra - ☭Bolivia Giroud…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      I've seen worse. RVP ... is RVP.

      Here: Gibbs, Baines, Assou-Ekotto, Demel, Clyne

      Send me a nice bottle of wine.

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      1. Hungry
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        5 years, 1 month ago

        You must have some serious firepower up front.

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        1. Doosra - ☭Bolivia Giroud…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          RVP, Adebayor ... and Ruiz! 😉 I have Vermaelen. He is not the threat I hoped for.

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          1. Hungry
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            5 years, 1 month ago

            Yet.

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            1. Doosra - ☭Bolivia Giroud…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              5 years, 1 month ago

              He will not be, this Season. Mr. Bould says so. 🙂

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    2. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Too much money invested in defence there for my likening, although the defenders you have are good for attacking returns, with clean sheets at a premium I think I would lose Verm and keep Baines, Arsenals fixtures are pretty dire apart from this week for the foreseeable future, then would upgrade Vaz Te a decent forward will always over the course of the season tend to outs core a decent defender.

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      1. Hungry
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Hmmm, Verm has tricky GW 5&6 agreed but I think he'll outscore Baines over the season. Food for thought though, ta.

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  6. TLK42- Dutch Wolfhound
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Evening all,
    If you had to pick one, would you have Fletcher or Berbatov in your team?
    Cheers

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    1. Sean
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Fletcher

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    2. Hungry
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Fletcher, just.

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    3. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Berba! 😀

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    4. 4vets
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Fletcher by a Country Mile... and that's a long one!

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      1. Sean
        5 years, 1 month ago

        You escaped the ffs uefa relagation zone!

        Lucky P**ck 😉

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        1. 4vets
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Did I? I have been so woeful so far.... still, plenty to play for and i'll be thrashing your sorry arses soon! 🙂

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    5. Doosra - ☭Bolivia Giroud…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      It depends.

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      1. TLK42- Dutch Wolfhound
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Ok I'll bite.....
        Depends on what, Doosra-san?

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        1. Doosra - ☭Bolivia Giroud…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Whether you have enough firepower elsewhere.

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          1. TLK42- Dutch Wolfhound
            5 years, 1 month ago

            I'm afraid I don't follow. If you are wondering if I have too many punts it is far too late to worry about that. I just want to know who you think is better

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            1. Doosra - ☭Bolivia Giroud…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              5 years, 1 month ago

              Berbatov.

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              1. TLK42- Dutch Wolfhound
                5 years, 1 month ago

                Cheers Doos 🙂

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                1. TLK42- Dutch Wolfhound
                  5 years, 1 month ago

                  and thanks to everyone else too

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                  1. ColeHole
                    5 years, 1 month ago

                    From insomnia to I'm late, but I too say Berba, though Fletch does seem like the intuitively safer pick.

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                  2. TLK42- Dutch Wolfhound
                    5 years, 1 month ago

                    Ta Cole
                    I'm going Berba. I can always be safe (and boring) later on in the season when I'm trying to salvage a decent rank 😉

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    6. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Berba

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  7. Giggs Boson
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    A or B, i'm very drunk so hopefully ths maes sense 🙂

    Team A
    Foster Begovic
    Baines Boyce KOLAROV Demel Davies
    Harard Cazorla MORRISON Michu Guthrie
    RVP BERBATOV Tevez

    Team B
    Foster Begovic
    Baines Boyce Demel Davies GORKSS
    Hazard Cazorla BALE Michu Guthire]
    RVP Tevez VAZTE

    A. Kolarov, Morrison, Berba
    B. Gorkss, Bale, Vaz Te

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    1. Sean
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Rate my reply:

      B

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      1. 4vets
        5 years, 1 month ago

        - too much 😉

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      2. Sean
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Only because I refuse to accept the berbatov regime

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        1. 4vets
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Agreed.... but I'm quite pissed too! 🙂

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          1. Sean
            5 years, 1 month ago

            🙂

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        2. Giggs Boson
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          But Fulham's stats...

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          1. 4vets
            5 years, 1 month ago

            They will do well... like Totty & Bale and his awesome stats. It's just that I should have had Hazard instead....

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          2. Sean
            5 years, 1 month ago

            Don't try,I'll go off on a rant 😉

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    2. 4vets
      5 years, 1 month ago

      A but there are better options. imho.

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    3. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      A.
      What are you high on? 😉

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      1. Giggs Boson
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Unfortunately nothing. I guess Kolarov is a risk, but he IS temporary until i get Sagna 😀

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        1. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Yeah, I'm not too sold on Kolarov, but A looks better.
          High on nothing? 😀

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    4. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      A

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      1. Giggs Boson
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        This is what i wanted to hear 😀

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        1. 4vets
          5 years, 1 month ago

          ... but with Fletcher & Rafael 🙂

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          1. Giggs Boson
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            5 years, 1 month ago

            Fletcher? i rate him as a VERY good striker. But Sunderland have been creating few chances compared to Fulham, and Berbatov is a very good player,

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  8. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Ok I'm off to bed guys running on empty now, good luck to everyone tomorrow

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    1. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Night, good luck to you too 🙂

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    2. 4vets
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Night.... all the best!

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    3. Sean
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Night

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  9. Mílanista
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Ok, how is this:

    Foster, Begovic
    Baines, Boyce, Cuellar, Davies, Gorkss
    Hazard, Cazorla, Yaya, Michu, Guthrie
    RVP, Tevez, Lambert

    .1 in bank

    Foster/Begovic rotate very well, as do Boyce/Cuellar and Davies/Gorkss. Baines has the fixtures to play every week until GW15. Guthrie sits on the bench every week.

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    1. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      All set. Good luck.

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    2. 4vets
      5 years, 1 month ago

      I like.

      I'm not sure about rotating Boyce/Cuellar as they just seem too expensive for that. I've gone for Baines, Rafael/Gibbs and Davies, Cuellar, Demel

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    3. TLK42- Dutch Wolfhound
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Very good. Something is putting me off Southampton but Lambert has looked good

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    4. Giggs Boson
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      LOVE IT. It;s very nice, would you not prefer Demel over Gorkss though? He seems to be rather attacking 😉

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      1. Mílanista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Maybe but Gorkss has perfect home/away rotation with Davies and Reading have a DGW at some point (though probably not for quite a while).

        I actually have nothing in the bank, not the .1 I said above, so can't afford Demel anyway.

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        1. Giggs Boson
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          It's very nice. What is your team value?

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          1. Mílanista
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            5 years, 1 month ago

            Currently 103.1m. The amount of .1m rises that I'm going to lose is very annoying though. There's also a couple that, had I decided on this a week ago, I could have got in a before .1 rises.

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            1. Giggs Boson
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              5 years, 1 month ago

              Tell me about it. I've had to sacrifice a few, i'm still on 103m...

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  10. Hate that rotation
    5 years, 1 month ago

    If you guys are interested there is a Spot the differential article up, the pages are moving a little slower too.

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    1. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      But its so nice here!

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      1. Sean
        5 years, 1 month ago

        +1 I'm getting cosy 🙂

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  11. CABAYE4
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Succumbed to the temptation, Snodgrass into the side!

    Will be lovely sitting on 20 points before the 3:00's even kick off!

    Night all

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    1. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Night

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    2. Sean
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Fool of a Took!

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      1. Mithrandir, the Grey Pilgri…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        That's my line!

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    3. 4vets
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Ha! Good night & good luck!

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  12. TLK42- Dutch Wolfhound
    5 years, 1 month ago

    2nd and last question of the night
    Who will score more?
    A Podolski (SOU)
    B Tevez (stk)

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    1. 4vets
      5 years, 1 month ago

      No f-ing idea. If I did, I'd be brilliant at this game.

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    2. Sean
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Neither (helpful 😉 )

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    3. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Long term Tevez, Short term Pod, so Pod this week.

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      1. Mílanista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Great minds...

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    4. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Pod this week, Tevez most weeks.

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    5. Giggs Boson
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Podolski 😀 But surely it won't be done to one game, unless you're wildcarding next week .

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    6. TLK42- Dutch Wolfhound
      5 years, 1 month ago

      😳 This was a captaincy question not a transfer question. But Podolski is getting the votes anyway so cheers 😀

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  13. 4vets
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Ok... am on my last legs here. All the very best for tomorrow.

    See you on the other side 🙂

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    1. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Night. Good luck 😉

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    2. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Night 4vets

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    3. TLK42- Dutch Wolfhound
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Night Vets

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    4. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Night Vets.

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    5. Giggs Boson
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Night 4Vets, good luck 😀

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  14. Yossi
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Wait, so the consensus now is that Davies will start, or do we just think that at 4.0 he's worth a punt?

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    1. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      I think it's his to lose, he'll miss the odd game but overall he'll be decent value at £4.0m.

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    2. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      See the scout scribbles earlier. Its sounds like its his to lose.

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    3. Yossi
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Alright, cheers guys, he's back in 🙂

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  15. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Bego/Jussi
    Cashley Cuellar Hughes Clyne Jenkinson
    Yaya Pienaar Michu Noble Hazard
    Tevez RVP Graham

    Thinking of WCing tomorrow, anyone against me using the WC?

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    1. tomtrubadur
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Doesnt look like you need to change much.

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      1. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah, need to reshuffle my defense, and get Graham out, and noble maybe.

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    2. Yossi
      5 years, 1 month ago

      No need at all to WC

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      1. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        I know, but I don't know why I am tempted to WC already. 😐

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    3. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Nothing wrong with that, maybe Noble and Jenkinson, Cole is a bit of a problem, a few hits and all looks fine! 😀

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      1. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        I can take hits though. Thinking of going Jenk to Baines and Graham to Lambert for a hit, I have 3.5 in the bank, so I can get Baines for Jenk easily. Then the following week, I can downgrade Cashley to McAuley/Saylor/Shawcross and it'd be all fine?

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        1. Parm
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          That would be fine, is there any chance of saving some cash for Yaya to Cazorla GW7?

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          1. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            5 years, 1 month ago

            Yeah, getting in Cazorla for Yaya won't be a porblem at all, I'd still have around 2 mil after doing Cashley to a 5-er. Cheers Parm. 🙂

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            1. Parm
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              5 years, 1 month ago

              No trouble 😀

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    4. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Definitely save the WC. There are changes I'd make to the team but nothing major, its fine as it is.

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    5. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Thanks for talking me out of using the wc guys! The hit I was talking about looks fine? Or shall I just save the hit and get Baines in straight for Jenk? Thanks again. 😀

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  16. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Any glaring holes?

    (Not a WC team)

    For the cooler kids: http://i.imgur.com/9IYEr.png

    For the old folks: http://i.imgur.com/405mr.png

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    1. tomtrubadur
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Yay im a cool kid!
      (Team looks good tho)

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      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        I just spared a thought for some of the elderly around here. 😉

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    2. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      It looks good, though you are light in midfield and it would look better with Torres downgraded and a second big hitter in midfield.

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      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Well.....

        GW5: Torres to Lambert.
        GW6: Rafael to Saylor/Ridgewell/McCauley/Shawcross
        GW7: Noble to Cazorla 😎

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        1. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          I can see you going up the ranks each week with that team. Cheers!

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        2. Mílanista
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Good stuff

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          1. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            5 years, 1 month ago

            As always! 😀

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    3. Yossi
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Lovely for a non WC..

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      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Mark Noble would be nowhere near my team if I had used the WC! 😀 😉

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  17. Mílanista
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    On wildcard, I'm thinking I should go McAuley over Boyce for a few weeks as West Brom's fixtures are better in the short term and to capitalise on the prices rises. Have Foster as well.

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    1. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Yeah, if you can get him straight in for Boyce.

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    2. Yossi
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Wouldn't say the fixtures are that much better, I'd go Boyce to spread the risk, but then again, West Brom are better at the back...

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      1. Mílanista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        I'm only really looking at the next 4 weeks. Not massively better I agree, but the home games are RDG, QPR for West Brom which is a step up from Wigan's FUL, EVE

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        1. Yossi
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Yep, I can see 2 clean sheets in the next 6 for both, but I agree West Brom are probably a better shout...

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          1. Mílanista
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            5 years, 1 month ago

            Yeah, I'm thinking I switch to Boyce GW9 (WHM). In the meantime I think McAuley can outscore him by at least 4 and make me a little money as well. If Wigan do crap in the next few weeks I can change my mind about backing them too.

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    3. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Yep, good idea.

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  18. Mílanista
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Time to go back to the current post I think. Its a lot quieter in there now... and too quiet in here!

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    1. ÆK ⭐ Hala Grabbandr…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Its still nice in here. I dont wanna go back and see 20 RMWCT posts on 1 page really.

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    2. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Lets go....

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  19. Norro
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Someone has been watching Sky Movies this week!! Funnily enough though, this is the way I pick my team and I already had Vaz Te, great minds think alike, eh?

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